KAC SR25 challenge!!!
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Literally everything on the market is less costly than a lone KAC upper, it’s fairly ridiculous but you know…poors and stuff?
Trust me I know and its a double edged sword. I have a KAC gun that there are only about 20 of.
It has a ROR on it that outperforms basically anything. Yet even I think the prices are insane.
What is your assessment of the MK20? pros /cons and would you make that purchase again today?
Thanks
I like it and it fills a good role between a MK12 and a bolt gun.
The Pros...
It's way lighter than it looks. It actually surprised me when I picked it up as to how light it was. This is due to the polymer lower as well as I'm not even entirely sure what the exact metal they use for the rail system is but its very lightweight. Compared to a SR25 or any other large frame, this thing is light with a ton of rail space and better balanced. The stock is designed around being a precision weapon; the adjustable buttpad, cheek piece and LOP reflect that; it doesn't have a wonky angled stock that wont allow for much rear bag bearing surface area. Again, all of this was very welcomed.
Once I got it to shoot (more on that below) the recoil impulse was less and felt like it was higher up (more forgiving to the rear bag) compared to a SR25; however, this was 140g vs 168g or 175g so keep that in mind. Charging handle(s) is ideal and fantastic for kneeling/prone/barricaded shooting. Overall gun functioned very smooth. Any lightweight or polymer parts didn't see to be an issue as far as with heat, being dragged around, etc. 1MOA gun and easily got hits with a NF 3.5-15 out to 1200 with it without much of an effort past zeroing, truing some temperature variances with the 140g Spark ammunition and getting used to what it likes as far as shoulder position, grip pull, etc
I was never a big SCAR guy, but you can tell this thing was built with a purpose in mind.
The Cons...
For a purpose built Geisselle trigger, its nowhere near as good as the other triggers they make which really surprised me. It has a bit of slack and breaks kind of weak instead of a solid break. After my 2nd outing with it I went home and googled triggers for it to replace what was in it. I was relieved when I saw Geisselle made one for it until....I opened the gun and realized it was already in there.
The gun didn't work after 10-15 rounds. It was sending out brass with heavily pierced primers. Initially I thought the Spark ammo was too hot or something and stopped shooting it. Then I came across posts and videos of exactly the problem I was having and it turned out that FN knew about this and redesigned a Gen2 bolt, firing pin and carrier. Gun went to FN and came back with the Gen2 stuff in it and worked without any issues. They also kept the mag I sent with it but sent me 3 when I called asking where it was.
Only other thing is that I wish the stock folded to the side, but whatever.
Allegedly they're going to be dribbling out again before the end of the year. That way you don't have to buy one from Dumbbroker starting at a bid of $6k. Incidentally, I have no issue paying the market price. It is a very good upper. But what I do have an issue with is paying the marked up price so some dood can get his girlfriend a boob job. But that's just me.
The only thing dumber than buying a KAC at above MSRP is selling it so that some other guy can fondle your ex-GF's fake boobs.
I know this thread is old but I’ll shoot this challenge. Give me a few days. I’ll use a apc with a crs suppressor. If enough interest I’ll shoot it with an acc and Apr as well.
Thanks Baron for your thorough thoughts of this platform.
I was never a Scar guy myself until using one in an austere environment not to long ago and cant get over how light and how reliable the platform is.
As much as I like SR25s the scar17 and mk20 make a lot of sense design wise and low weight and reliability is undeniable. The accuracy seems good enough for what it was designed for.
There are a lot of detractors to this platfrom but your experience definitely adds some weight to the validity of this weapon.
This discussion is making me glad I never got into a KAC. The proprietary components are what originally put me off. Later, I "changed my mind" but it was already too late by then. But now I feel that my hesitation was the right call.
One thing that irks me to no end is poor customer support.
A lot of good points being made here.
Was thinking I might pick up a KS1 if those ever come out... but we'll see.
One thing that irks me to no end is poor customer support.
A lot of good points being made here.
Was thinking I might pick up a KS1 if those ever come out... but we'll see.
I just got everything for the SR-25 in, and I'll take a crack at this challenge eventually. Since they don't send their own validation targets with the grouping measurements anymore, I wanted to do my own, anyways. I can't promise that I'm a good enough shooter, but I'll do my best and post the results for good or bad.
I mean, different strokes for different folks and more power to anyone who wants one, but I don't understand a 14.5" creedmoor rifle.
That's because if you look at his shooting position in the video, he has 3 different stock shoulder placements and his head is constantly in a different angle/plane in relation to his optic.
See that button labeled “watch” on the top of the page? That works for subscribing too. Just letting ya know.
Here’s my results. Kac apc with Nightforce atacr 4-16 and Kac crs suppressor. Federal golf medal match 175 grn ammo. Group 4 killed me. It was hot as balls and mirage was killer but no excuses. I’m happy with the results. Need to get some loads worked up for it.
Looks good, I'm sure with handloads those will tighten up.
But if someone actually films themselves shooting in real time a 1/2 MOA 6x5 with thier SR25 at 100 yards, id drop some cash again.
A lot of it comes from the shooter honestly as I know you’re aware. Large frame gas gun is a lot more challenging than people think. If I took out groups 4 and the flyer on 5 I still wouldn’t be close to that .5 mark.
I have found that if I single feed this rifle it shoots about .1-.2 moa better though which is weird.
Nah, it’s a documented phenomenon. You’ve got two feed ramps feeding from two sides of the magazine, the geometry of the magazine plays a role in accuracy. Single feeding you’ve eliminated a variance by feeding only one ramp.
It's a very tedious exercise but you definitely learn a lot about yourself when shooting a 6x5. It teaches you to be fully aware of all your bad habits. But I promise you if you continue to shoot a couple 6x5 every month your long range game will improve.
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