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Knife fight to the death between a Russian and Ukraine soldier.
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Like said these are traditional bushcraft knives not a fighting knife , they have been same as long as Yakuts know how to forge metal.
I don't think any aspect of the knife was meant for fighting ,
Like guy explained in the inteviev he was only one with the knife in the fight and lost control over it in a fight , had been stabed and lost part of an ear with his own knife only regained the knife' after he used a shard form a roof shingle to stab the ukrainan into left eye.
Guy told that he bought three such knives from a vilage knife maker when he signed on for service.
somewhat exaggerated blade profile, they are chisel ground , deep fuller is only on flat side.
I love those primitive old knives. They are general purpose knives and that general purpose includes fighting.Its not a fighting knife , looks more like one of traditional general purpose knives , but many nothern knifes kinda follow similar patern
Its interesting in being asymetric ,side of the blade with a fuller is flat like shears
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They have stabbed and slashed more people to death, from a time when the knife was the main weapon besides the ax and bow, than any modern fighting knife which would include the Bowie.
I do believe the knife used in the fight was meant for fighting, threatening, skinning, fish gutting, bushcraft and everything else a pointed edged tool has been used for since flint and bone knives were first used. I doubt most Inuit and Yakut villagers have ever seen a Randall Mod. 1 Fighting knife.Like said these are traditional bushcraft knives not a fighting knife , they have been same as long as Yakuts know how to forge metal.
I don't think any aspect of the knife was meant for fighting ,
Like guy explained in the inteviev he was only one with the knife in the fight and lost control over it in a fight , had been stabed and lost part of an ear with his own knife only regained the knife' after he used a shard form a roof shingle to stab the ukrainan into left eye.
Guy told that he bought three such knives from a vilage knife maker when he signed on for service.
somewhat exaggerated blade profile, they are chisel ground , deep fuller is only on flat side.
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K-bars seem to be prone to breaking. I’m told Extrema Ratio made a version of the K-Bar that’s much stronger.
Fairbairn-Sykes & V-42 are awesome for their intended purpose.
We used to have monthly knife fights when training. Sometimes We would all wear an old gi and fight with red markers. After a minute of fighting we would be amazed at all the cuts and stabs there were. That training did save my life once when I was in a fight with a guy with a screwdriver.
Don’t discount the Bowie dude. I’ve read that back in the day in early Texas a whole lot of folks got their shit ruined at the end of a Bowie knife.
Did you buy your Randal or was it given to you?
My regular EDC always included a ZT0301. Wonderful blade.
I am now learning to fight using a much lighter Karambit with my left hand in case I cannot draw my sidearm for any reason. If my opponent's hand is preventing me from drawing, the instant blade deployment of the curved knife is to hopefully create some space so I can pull my primary weapon. But I gotta tell ya, training and this real life video are 1000 miles apart. Brutal doesn't begin to describe it. That was gut wrenching. God Bless our troops who put their lives on the line for us. I stopped watching football games when players started taking a knee. I go to high school games where respect & sportsmanship still rule. F the NFL and all those who disrespect the flag & anthem.
I am now learning to fight using a much lighter Karambit with my left hand in case I cannot draw my sidearm for any reason. If my opponent's hand is preventing me from drawing, the instant blade deployment of the curved knife is to hopefully create some space so I can pull my primary weapon. But I gotta tell ya, training and this real life video are 1000 miles apart. Brutal doesn't begin to describe it. That was gut wrenching. God Bless our troops who put their lives on the line for us. I stopped watching football games when players started taking a knee. I go to high school games where respect & sportsmanship still rule. F the NFL and all those who disrespect the flag & anthem.
Well once i was party to a Finn reserve officer being officaly gifted a particularly rare edition Puukko
I kinda forgot what it was about but they made it sound they haven't gifted one like that since dude with a funny mustache got one. And the normally stone cold expressionless Finn almost shed a tear of joy.
Puukko even in military service is kind of similar to northern tribal knifes without any handguard.
* i imagine prior to folders made on industrial scale , EDC was small snag free knife much like these.
I kinda forgot what it was about but they made it sound they haven't gifted one like that since dude with a funny mustache got one. And the normally stone cold expressionless Finn almost shed a tear of joy.
Puukko even in military service is kind of similar to northern tribal knifes without any handguard.
* i imagine prior to folders made on industrial scale , EDC was small snag free knife much like these.
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NiceWell once i was party to a Finn reserve officer being officaly gifted a particularly rare edition Puukko
I kinda forgot what it was about but they made it sound they haven't gifted one like that since dude with a funny mustache got one. And the normally stone cold expressionless Finn almost shed a tear of joy.
Puukko even in military service is kind of similar to northern tribal knifes without any handguard.
The Bowie knife is a relative late comer to the fighting knife arena. Designed and created by Resin Bowie in the early 19th century for his brother Jim, adding the guard after Jim cut his hand badly stabbing a wild steer.
Jim Bowie earned his reputation with it after the infamous Sandbar fight in Louisiana and later made the knife famous at the Alamo. The Bowie knife was involved in lots of fights since then but for every expensive Bowie knife, there were many more trade knives and butcher knives carried by both white man and Indians.
I've never owned a Randall but should. An uncle collected Randalls. Best I could do was a Cold Steel Trail Master.
Same applies for a .22LR, but you wouldn't see me go to war with one and they have killed a LOT of people, and game, both legally and illegally. Just because something is commonly carried and pressed into a roll, doesn't mean it's the tool for the job.
Diamond profile dagger with a good distal taper, 7+ inch's to reach the vitals. Edges are for getting a FIBC reaction to get to your more effective tools, or Hollywood bullshit.
That's damn near perfect.
That's damn near perfect.
It looks perfect but it’s far from it. Don’t buy it. Mine was dull as Kamala Harris’s wits. And for what they charge the edge should be shaving sharp right out of the box. You can get the same effect from a Gil Hibbon Silver Shadow and NOT pay near as much.
The reason that style Mora knife has been in existance since it's inception is it's practicality, serving as a utility / bushcraft / fighting knife. Most people, since before Ötzi the Iceman had to carry their survival fighting tools and weapons. They couldn't carry a drawer full of cutlery in their loadout.
A big Bowie knife sucks as your only edged tool. Show up to a deer camp with only a big Bowie knife and you'll quickly be laughed at.
The victor in this fight probably grew up using that style knife and proved it quite efficient when pressed into action as a fighter. I bet if you, armed with a big Bowie, and he armed with that dagger like Mora got in that same fight, he'd stab you death.
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I have a Fairbairn-Sykes copy in the safe I've never carried except when I first bought it almost 40 yrs ago after an illegal threatened me with a knife on a construction site. It had a limited but intended purpose.
Since then an Esee 4 has been my main fixed blade knife.
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Didn’t the victor say he lost it to the other guy because he lost his grip on it? I don’t usually bring a knife to a gunfight but it seems less likely, based on the handle design, to lose your grip on a Bowie.
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Yeah, thats what he said. I myself said that a knife with no guard makes the tendons in my fingers cringe. I wouldn't use a Mora style knife for anything but cleaning fish.
However, I'm sure he didn't lose his grip because knife's lack of a guard.
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After doing a bit of reading youre not the only one with that complaint. I was more or less referring to concept, I have no personal experience with that particular execution.
My point, is if you're going to war, carry a fighting knife.... /end.
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Great Close Quarters training (both with a knife and pistol), no B.S., very practical and realistic! (just commenting as an attendee).
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If you find yourself in a close quarters fight, you F#@$! UP, because the chances are very good that your fate will be determined by luck, and in a real world life or death battle as shown in the video that started this discussion, it is going to get very ugly!
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If you find yourself in a close quarters fight, you F#@$! UP, because the chances are very good that your fate will be determined by luck, and in a real world life or death battle as shown in the video that started this discussion, it is going to get very ugly!
They're tough and if you break it esee will replace it, no questions asked.
They come with a Molle kydex sheath.
Here's mine after I reworked the scales.
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Clipped points come at the expense of something actually useful like a drop point, I would never own one except for something like an upward curved skinning knife.
For every modern "fighting" knife kill there was been thousands of deaths inflicted by cheap shit kitchen knives, people are really overthinking how easy it is to die for blood loss caused but something barely better than mild steel.
Throw the Karambit in the bin where it belongs and get something useful.
400 fucking USD for nordic mystery steel and a useless pommel? Jesus Christ a Sheffield Fairbairn-Sykes is like $60, the steel is fine but will need to be sharpened.
It’s one thing to know, it’s another to change the mind if close minded people.
Kinda like the .223 thread, stick somebody in the lungs or liver a couple of times and they’re gonna die.
It might (probably will) take several minutes, but it’s gonna be fatal.
$500 or $50, guard or no, homemade even, don’t matter.
It’s the will behind the dude doing the stabbing that matters.
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It might (probably will) take several minutes, but it’s gonna be fatal.
$500 or $50, guard or no, homemade even, don’t matter.
It’s the will behind the dude doing the stabbing that matters.
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I was only referencing the blade shape concept, not the execution, blade steal or pommel. If I'm spending a couple hundred or more on a dagger, it damn well better have a skull crusher on it.
Dear God, please never put me or mine in a situation where we have to defend our lives with a knife… Hell, where we have to defend our lives at all. But wishing and praying don’t absolve us of the need to train for that eventuality.
Here’s the fighting knife I had James Helm make for my son several years ago…a 9” version of his “Benghazi Warfighter” knife:
he usually makes them ~7” but was kind enough to do this one on commission as a HS graduation gift for my son. Very durable and unique.
My son has years and years of karate, judo, and various grappling disciplines under his belt, but seeing that video and the crazies in NY stabbing folks on the subway, etc. makes me want to get him and a few of his friends from our shooting group into some serious hand-to-hand and edged weapon defense training.
Here’s the fighting knife I had James Helm make for my son several years ago…a 9” version of his “Benghazi Warfighter” knife:
he usually makes them ~7” but was kind enough to do this one on commission as a HS graduation gift for my son. Very durable and unique.
My son has years and years of karate, judo, and various grappling disciplines under his belt, but seeing that video and the crazies in NY stabbing folks on the subway, etc. makes me want to get him and a few of his friends from our shooting group into some serious hand-to-hand and edged weapon defense training.
i think it depends on the Kabar. I have a wwii one and damn thing is indestructible.
I had a 2016-17 produced model. I used as a brake during a fall off a steep hillside while hunting. (Stabbed the ground and tried to put my weight forward in a weird fettle like position. Damn thing snapped just forward of the handle behind the guard. Fucked up my leupy scope and i hurt for a long while.
I saw a knife on gunbroker called the Buckmaster survival knife. Looks like a kabar but with more doodads. I wonder how it would do?
An old merc I knew said knife fighting involved discipline, staying away from your opponent, inflicting cuts until he's weakened from blood loss and demorilized, before finishing him.Dear God, please never put me or mine in a situation where we have to defend our lives with a knife… Hell, where we have to defend our lives at all. But wishing and praying don’t absolve us of the need to train for that eventuality.
Here’s the fighting knife I had James Helm make for my son several years ago…a 9” version of his “Benghazi Warfighter” knife:
he usually makes them ~7” but was kind enough to do this one on commission as a HS graduation gift for my son. Very durable and unique.
My son has years and years of karate, judo, and various grappling disciplines under his belt, but seeing that video and the crazies in NY stabbing folks on the subway, etc. makes me want to get him and a few of his friends from our shooting group into some serious hand-to-hand and edged weapon defense training.
It's what happened in the above video. That was pretty gruesome and sad.
Why? It's the wrong end of the dagger to be trying to hit a cunt with and if it's somewhat sharpened you'll just hurt yourself if you ever need to get your other hand on the back for extra strength. Daggers are pretty light overall so it's also not going to do fuckall if you do hit someone with it.
Knives are simple as fuck, Steel and labour is pretty much all you are paying for so you can do pretty quick valuations, features don't add intrinsic value, just the labour they take to add.
Ka-bars have a smallish tang and the tang to blade transition is a 90 degree sharp angle instead of being rounded IIRC, if you ever see a custom knife with squared angles ask for your money back or don't purchase in the first place.
Exactly.
And the main reason I chose that knife by James Helm… I looked at K-bars and several styles of Bowie knives, and couldn’t see any of them holding up to real work and abuse.
Here’s the blank (or whatever its called after forging) for that one by Helm:
…and just before final grinding/sharpening, and wrapping up the grip of de-cored 550 and marine epoxy:
Yikes. That is a fighter.Exactly.
And the main reason I chose that knife by James Helm… I looked at K-bars and several styles of Bowie knives, and couldn’t see any of them holding up to real work and abuse.
Here’s the blank (or whatever its called after forging) for that one by Helm:
…and just before final grinding/sharpening, and wrapping up the grip of de-cored 550 and marine epoxy:
I love the recurve in a Bowie knife's belly. And that would be classified as a Bowie.
Certain units of Confederacy carried Bowie knives and the Yankee troops were more fearful of them than anything. If I was issued a single shot musket and expected to end up in CQB, I'd want one too.
Buckmaster probably would not do so well. Handle & blade are bolted together. If you do a hollow handle get the Chris Reeve, if you can still find one. It’s made from one piece of steel.
Indeed. The one in the pic of the Confederate soldier is damn near a short sword vs. a knife; something like that, a brush sword, or a well made machete would be pretty handy in a fight as long as you can get to it as quickly as a secondary firearm.
Wasn’t there a video of two dudes fighting with machetes down in Haiti or somewhere like that recently? The one dude gets his friggin’ hand chopped clean off, and just casually bends down to pick it up after they disengage. Wild.
Regardless, that’s why I carry a secondary, even while hunting or just checking fences. God help us if we’re engaging in hand-to-hand…I know I’m not ready for that level of violence.
I ‘think’ I’d be able to do whatever it takes to live or protect my family but damn, that’s a brutal way to kill another human being.
^^^exactly this^^^
Knife of the left is marketed as a tactical knife by ER. Knife on the right is made more as a tool for outdoors/survival type stuff, not what anyone would consider a “fighter”.
But put the knife on the right in the hands of the wrong inmate in a federal supermax prison’s hands and see what happens.
Back in the 90s an ODA guy told that their are two rules to knife fighting: rule #1 don’t rule # 2 win.
I remember that machete fight in the parking lot and the guy picking his hand up. Maybe he thought he could find a trauma surgeon to reattach in his 3rd World Latin country it or maybe he didn't want to leave fingerprints.
Because I think you should get the maximum use out of a tool, and trying to dome someone isn't it's only use.
The why of having a skull crusher on the pommel is probably best answered by the intended purpose of the original WWI trench knives. They had a blade, brass knuckles, and a skull crusher so that if a stab wasn’t possible (from the reverse grip) a strike from the knuckles or the pommel could be executed.
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