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Fieldcraft Krieger_tactics: Long Range Marksmanship - Part 1
That is the kind of dad joke I can appreciate.Hybrid tactics?
I think we were assuming (especially since he posted a 3 and not a 4 digit ODA) that this was all pre Eglin move in 2011.
Hello all...I had to actually break down and register to be able to comment on this...whatever this is?! You can find his bio and a few of his fellow instructor credentials at https://hybridtacticssecurity.org/instructor-bios/.
FWIW: I am a lowly leo sniper team leader and do appreciate the knowledge and perspectives that I find here.
FWIW: I am a lowly leo sniper team leader and do appreciate the knowledge and perspectives that I find here.
@TheGerman have you followed that link and read the bios? Opinion?
Former United States Marine Corps Service Member
HAMMER
Former United States Marine Corps Service Member
- Graduate of the USMC Scout Sniper Course
- Graduate of the USMC Scout Sniper Instructor Course
- Graduate of the USMC Urban Sniper Course
- Graduate of the USMC Breacher’s Course
- Former Scout Sniper and Scout Sniper Team Leader assigned to the Scout Sniper Detachment.
- Former team member, and coach assigned to the USMC 2/8 Rifle and Pistol Team.
- Graduate Department of State’s Worldwide Protective Security, Protective Security Specialist Course (WPS, PSS)
- Deployed to the United States Embassy, Kabul Afghanistan.
- Served as Shift Leader of the Ambassador to Afghanistan’s Protective Detail (Movement Team, Advance Team – Team Leader, and Counter Assault Team – Team Leader).
- Graduate of the High Threat Protection Course
- Graduate of the High Threat Motorcade Operations Course
- NRA certified Pistol Instructor
- NRA certified Tactical Pistol Instructor
- NRA certified Carbine Instructor
- NRA certified Tactical Shotgun Instructor
- NRA certified Precision Rifle Instructor
- Conceal carry-licensed instructor, Ohio
I know one person that may fit that bill. He is from Ohio and would use his name. Oh and there is a whole lot that would be added to that list. He is pretty famous in his own right. He would not use call sign “Hammer”.
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MAIN BATTLE RIFLE - TEOTWAWKI - I am writing this post because I often see weekend warriors, "instructors", students and range attendees with a host of equipment on their rifles.
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Wait....
It's all pretty vague. None of it is unbelievable/doesn't match up.
On the USMC side, you'd need someone like Frank to tell you if going through the sniper program and the other USMC related things are likely, common, or literally no one has done that specific mix of things.
The security team stuff is also generalized/vague and not some secret squirrel shit. @clcustom1911 would know about this as this is basically what he currently does.
He was DoS but this would boil down to what year, what contract, who the prime/sub was, who his KO was, what task force/group he was related to, etc. He's also on the VIP/protection side, which wasn't my thing at all with DoS, by choice, thank God.
It's odd there are no deployments mentioned given that we've been at war since 2001 and a lack of any specific combat unit isn't mentioned as no one really just becomes an 8541 and then just sits around forever waiting until 'someone needs a sniper'.
I'm going with a total guess that he was USMC until early 2000s and then got picked up on a DoS billet based solely on completing WPS as that was the time frame (early/mid 2000s) that they (primes) couldn't fill slots fast enough and requirements were basically courses like WPS in order to check the box.
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Nothing abnormal/impossible on the USMC side. 2/8 would have put him at LeJeune.
Hey hey hey... my WPS/PSD/protection/magic job at the US Embassy in Iraq is super secret squirrel! Being a fobbit with great hair and medical supplies is difficult work!
The occasional rockets and explosive laden drones make it really hard to emotionally cope with good food, air conditioning, and 3 gyms!
From the description of your bb rifle im curious if you could by chance possibly be an operative from the UK?
As a civilian I tend to Oper8 alone and have no call sign. In fact you could say I'm call sign poor. I've never shared this before.
I posted and will be clarifying point #1 of the following:
I am assuming that you reviewed our website. Based on this assumption, I will provide the reasons that we utilize airsoft.
1. In order to provide training with a real handgun (at least in the state of Texas) you have to be licensed. Becoming a licensed firearms instructor is not the easiest thing to do. This state requirement can be circumvented by using airsoft guns.
2. Some training schools utilize Simunitions in order to provide real-time feedback in a safe environment. I have done this in the past. However, the use of Simunitions requires that you take a class which costs, you have to have insurance which is exhorbitant (IF any companies will insure your training company). These costs add up making classes not necessarily as profitable as is necessary to continue to run courses. The utilization of airsoft allows a very close result as with simunitions, or UTM, with a miniscule fraction of the cost.
3. The use of airsoft provides the student with right now, real-time feedback as to whether a TTP works or not. It's easy to say things like, "My last instructor told me to stand in the open and lay down suppressive fire no matter what." When students do this and then are engaged with airsoft (simunitions and or UTM), they learn, on their own, from the discomfort of the impacts of the training rounds, that the TTP that they're employing does not work.
The same can be said for testing and finding that one's TTP does work.
The Take Away here is that airsoft and like training munitions allow for a safer training environment where you can test your personal or team TTPs/SOPs in a safe environment.
-Krieger
CLARIFICATION / LTC REQUIREMENTS
1. There are state requirements in order to become a "License To Carry" instructor and to teach the "LTC" course.
2. Requirements found on the following website: https://pointblankchl.com/how-to-become-a-texas-ltc-instructor/.
3. I do not teach LTC courses.
STATE OF TEXAS REQUIREMENTS TO TEACH A FIREARMS COURSE
1. There is no licensing requirement in the state of Texas to teach students how to shoot a firearm.
WITHIN REGULATIONS AND LICENSING REQUIREMENTS
1. As I was questioned regarding my legal status to teach students how to utilize a firearm, I am simply responding and providing clarification to that query.
2. As there is no state regulation nor licensing requirement to teach students how to utilize a firearm, I am within state compliance when I provide instruction to students.
QUALIFICATIONS:
I have several qualifications to include the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor.
-Krieger
I am assuming that you reviewed our website. Based on this assumption, I will provide the reasons that we utilize airsoft.
1. In order to provide training with a real handgun (at least in the state of Texas) you have to be licensed. Becoming a licensed firearms instructor is not the easiest thing to do. This state requirement can be circumvented by using airsoft guns.
2. Some training schools utilize Simunitions in order to provide real-time feedback in a safe environment. I have done this in the past. However, the use of Simunitions requires that you take a class which costs, you have to have insurance which is exhorbitant (IF any companies will insure your training company). These costs add up making classes not necessarily as profitable as is necessary to continue to run courses. The utilization of airsoft allows a very close result as with simunitions, or UTM, with a miniscule fraction of the cost.
3. The use of airsoft provides the student with right now, real-time feedback as to whether a TTP works or not. It's easy to say things like, "My last instructor told me to stand in the open and lay down suppressive fire no matter what." When students do this and then are engaged with airsoft (simunitions and or UTM), they learn, on their own, from the discomfort of the impacts of the training rounds, that the TTP that they're employing does not work.
The same can be said for testing and finding that one's TTP does work.
The Take Away here is that airsoft and like training munitions allow for a safer training environment where you can test your personal or team TTPs/SOPs in a safe environment.
-Krieger
CLARIFICATION / LTC REQUIREMENTS
1. There are state requirements in order to become a "License To Carry" instructor and to teach the "LTC" course.
2. Requirements found on the following website: https://pointblankchl.com/how-to-become-a-texas-ltc-instructor/.
3. I do not teach LTC courses.
STATE OF TEXAS REQUIREMENTS TO TEACH A FIREARMS COURSE
1. There is no licensing requirement in the state of Texas to teach students how to shoot a firearm.
WITHIN REGULATIONS AND LICENSING REQUIREMENTS
1. As I was questioned regarding my legal status to teach students how to utilize a firearm, I am simply responding and providing clarification to that query.
2. As there is no state regulation nor licensing requirement to teach students how to utilize a firearm, I am within state compliance when I provide instruction to students.
QUALIFICATIONS:
I have several qualifications to include the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor.
-Krieger
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Hello,
My goal here is simply to provide an insight into the use of the MIL dot system.
I am selling nothing.
I have no courses regarding Long Range Marksmanship.
I have taught a few people that I know some basic facets regarding Long Range Marksmanship.
I have charged no one.
I simply realized that (contrary to what some forum responders have stated) based on many of my personal experiences, the Duplex reticle system and the MIL dot reticle are still being widely sold and utilized. Despite this fact, there are still many owners of these reticles that have only a basic knowledge of how the MIL dot reticle is and can be utilized and tactically applied.
I have been fortunate enough to have been provided with this information. It cost me the proverbial "blood, sweat and tears."
It is my pleasure to be able to provide this information to the readers of this series and any others who might find it interesting and worthwhile.
MY GOAL
Provide worthwhile information to others.
WHAT AM I SELLING
Nothing. I'm giving it away for free to anyone who deems it worthy enough to take it with them.
Note I did not mention the shiny green ribbon tied around the muzzle or the dayglo orange tape around the buffer tube.MAIN BATTLE RIFLE (Part 1) | HybridTactics.org
MAIN BATTLE RIFLE - TEOTWAWKI - I am writing this post because I often see weekend warriors, "instructors", students and range attendees with a host of equipment on their rifles.
Wait....
ORANGE TAPE
1. I am not utilizing this forum as a commercial entity. I am simply addressing a point that you made regarding the presence of the orange tape on the buffer tube of my AR.
2. As I have explained my ARs (battle rifles as I refer to them) are designed for TEOTWAWKI scenarios - I.e., they are very minimalistic. I have an optic and a light.
3. During training personnel often show up with many accessories on their ARs. These accessories make their ARs heavy. In order to impress upon these personnel the importance of having an AR that is not heavy and that allows for quick engagements I allow personnel to utilize my personal AR. As there are often many ARs present during these times, I want to make sure that I am able to QUICKLY IDENTIFY and LOCATE my personal AR. In order to do that, I have elected to place orange tape on the buffer tube. At any point during training I have the ability to find my AR because it is the only one that has ORANGE tape on the buffer tube.
GREEN RIBBON
1. The AR that is pictured does not have a green ribbon on it. What you see is the green zipper portion of a ziplok bag that I have wrapped around the muzzle of the AR.
2. I have a ziplok wrapped around the end of my muzzle because this particular stands inverted and I wish to prevent any oil from the bolt or barrel from seeping out.
-Krieger.
I've gotta say Krieger has been taking it on the chin and has stayed the course. You have to admire that level of dedication.
Technically, you are correct. 7th Group is not stationed at Ft. Bragg.
However, when I was in 7th Special Forces Group (the Red Empire - as we referred to it) it was stationed at Ft. Bragg, NC.
In fact, 7th Special Group was stationed at Ft. Bragg from 20 May 1960 until it MOVED to Eglin, AFB over a period of time circa 2009 - 2011.
Originally the 7th Special Forces Group was designated as the 77th Special Forces Group. It was later redesignated as the 7th Special Forces Group.
Sir,
I must admit that it has been 12 rounds of Heavyweight boxing with Mike Tyson in this forum!
But... I have a goal. I have a mission.
That mission is to share information with those who are looking for it.
There are many here who are way beyond the simplicity of what I'm sharing. I know that.
I do not mean to demean nor disrespect them. I can tell by the questions and the comments that there is a wealth of knowledge in those who are replying. I respect that.
Despite the fact that some may not like my TTP, it has merit and I know that. I stand by my TTPs and anyone who tries them, with an open mind will see that, yes.. they have merit.
I'm not saying that they're the best TTPs.... I am saying that they work great for me and they might work for others.
Thank you for your comment.
It is appreciated.
Part 2 has been posted for some days. I would like to know your thoughts..
-Krieger
Hello Rocketvapor,
1. The holds provided work for M118 ammunition, in conjunction with the M24 and the Leupold M3A Ultra (10x). Unless you are using these in concert they probably won't work for you.
2. The holds provided are for instructional purposes. Meaning, This is an example of how an individual marksman can identify the holds for their weapon at specified ranges, and then once the marksman knows the specified holds, they can be applied rapidly without dialing on the individual ranges.
-Krieger
Well, I almost never post but this is so hilarious I could not hold.
If one cannot get on paper at 100yds after properly bore sighting same, then one doesn't know what they're doing, regardless of past credentials. Shaking head; rolling eyes; LMAO......
So, you gonna let us know who you worked for in Iraq to see if anyone here knows you, or is that “top secret”?
At this point there has to be some incontrovertible evidence this isn't an elaborate ruse.....
Someone has reached total enlightenment of trolling.
Frankly, this is the only thing that interests me at this point. The content is becoming ... meh.
If it's trolling, that website takes it beyond the next level.
And some of the replies are so deadpan/earnest, that would have to be trolling at the next next level - a bit liken how spam emails now include obvious mistakes, as they are more likely to attract the more gullible.
My guess is it's someone who's genuine ... or thinks they are.
Kinda reminds me of a sensei I knew who had a teenager come to his first class, but insisting on wearing a black belt. He claimed he'd attained black belt status in a range of arts. The instructor asked for a demonstration of some basic moves, and the kid attempted some high kicks and promptly fell on his ass.
When pressed, the kid's 'attainment' of said black belts was from ... video games. However, he was genuinely convinced he'd earned these, and fantasy and reality were very muddled. Until that moment.
Hey guys, I think I have figured it out.
He's not wrong, but hes about 20 years too late with a totally straight face. 7 yard zero, introduction to the mil dot reticle and holds - this can be only come from one place in the entire universe.
He's from Leupold.
He's not wrong, but hes about 20 years too late with a totally straight face. 7 yard zero, introduction to the mil dot reticle and holds - this can be only come from one place in the entire universe.
He's from Leupold.
I blame lady Loki.
As soon as she stabbed he who remains, this dude was able to find his way into our multiverse.
Or he just graduated from an accuracy first class
Whoever came up with the Leupold idea during a 90 minute shitpost phone conversation was spot on.
I was a 4F, according to the several family members and friends of mine who had served. I had asthma as a child that required medical treatments, prescription medication. I had allergy shots. Even at the age of 18, I was still taking medication for that. Even my first step-father, Gerry, who was a second class boiler tech aboard the USS Ogden in 1974 said it was not worth trying because of that health problem. That being said, I had a military ID when I was 9 and 10 so that I could on base and aboard that same destroyer class he was on. We went to the Captain's Quarters to see him re-enlist. His intention was to become a chief petty officer.
Other friends were in special forces. Most of their assignments are still classified because it was war operations. My friend, Lee, second class petty officer and a SEAL, was one of the first. He graduated from JFK's bud/S in 1964 and was stationed from Da Nang from then until 1969. 3 active tours of combat in the Big Asian Vacation. Came back with a surgical pin in each ankle, a pin in his right hip, and a teflon coated stainless steel knee cap on the left. Being superman will cost you.
All of that to qualify that my call sign is A-Hole. But only because I love a good laugh. And I have to agree. Krieger is a good sport with plenty simply having fun at his expense. So far, his math checks out.
Some things I might question is why it is so difficult to be an LTC instructor. It is not, even according to the link given. The easiest path if you are not LE is to pay 350 for a 3 day NRA course and then apply that. That being said, Texas is now permitless (constitutional) carry. You don't need an LTC. I have one because I got it years ago before Gov Abbott signed the permitless bill. It makes FFL transfers easier because they do not have to wait for a background check. Back in the 80s, I had a different firearm permit called a (Texas) state commission that allowed me to carry firearms on duty (I was doing private security work, among other things.) That one, you had to requalify every so often. I had one really nice requal. Shooting my boss's gun, a Smith and Wesson Model 19 k-frame .357 Mag with a 6 inch barrel, nickel plating, and ivory oversized grips and 125 gr .38 hollow points at 15 yards, I shot a 145 points out of 150. 30 rounds, 5 holes. I was going through the same holes. Which is a testament to a fine and steady gun. I had to take a class very much like the modern LTC class.
To me, the school to be certified an LTC instructor is not really a hurdle, just a busy half week. Again, as I had said before, the big thing is insurance. Even with insurance, the real work begins with the safety rules. What to do about infractions. Accidental is one thing, blatant disregard is another. That being said, I can still see where airsoft is a viable method. It is very forgiving of accidents precisely because it is non-lethal (mostly.) However, I would advocate practicing with ear protection in so that it is a habit if one should be in a situation of live fire.
Are there some people operating a camp without insurance? That could be dicey. If someone gets injured, they could sue the operator of the camp. Looking into having a deer lease property, there is wisdom to get insurance for that because people can get injured. Same goes for this, then. I would suggest asking an insurance company that handles business insurance, which is a majority of companies, what the yearly costs and coverage are. Then, the other business cost. Like the State of Texas Comptroller extracts a pound of flesh or 1 percent of company income per year.
As for zeroing, why not zero close? Any ballistic calculator can show where you should be at a distance, before you get to the range. Let's say, in the house you only have 7 yards. Input your ammo information and desired actual zero, such as 25 yard zero. Then enter 7 yards and it will tell you where you should be. It might say 23 MOA. What that means is that you need look through the bore at your crosshair target and then look in the scope and adjust until lines up. Slip the scale and reset the turret so that 23 MOA is now on the alignment mark. And of course, sight for windage. It will not be accurate because actual recoil acts different than dry fire.
Now, when you go to the range, dial your elevation back to zero and shoot the 25 yard you should be zero of target and only have to adjust for windage. That is just to confirm. Now get a ballistic solution for 25 yard distance on a 100 yard zero. Probably something around 5 1/4 MOA. Slip the scale again and set the turret back on 21 clicks from zero (1/4 MOA per click). Now, run the elevation down to zero and you should be within 1 MOA at 100 yards. Similar situation in mils. I know that is some figuring and math but that just makes it fun.
A-Hole, signing off.
Other friends were in special forces. Most of their assignments are still classified because it was war operations. My friend, Lee, second class petty officer and a SEAL, was one of the first. He graduated from JFK's bud/S in 1964 and was stationed from Da Nang from then until 1969. 3 active tours of combat in the Big Asian Vacation. Came back with a surgical pin in each ankle, a pin in his right hip, and a teflon coated stainless steel knee cap on the left. Being superman will cost you.
All of that to qualify that my call sign is A-Hole. But only because I love a good laugh. And I have to agree. Krieger is a good sport with plenty simply having fun at his expense. So far, his math checks out.
Some things I might question is why it is so difficult to be an LTC instructor. It is not, even according to the link given. The easiest path if you are not LE is to pay 350 for a 3 day NRA course and then apply that. That being said, Texas is now permitless (constitutional) carry. You don't need an LTC. I have one because I got it years ago before Gov Abbott signed the permitless bill. It makes FFL transfers easier because they do not have to wait for a background check. Back in the 80s, I had a different firearm permit called a (Texas) state commission that allowed me to carry firearms on duty (I was doing private security work, among other things.) That one, you had to requalify every so often. I had one really nice requal. Shooting my boss's gun, a Smith and Wesson Model 19 k-frame .357 Mag with a 6 inch barrel, nickel plating, and ivory oversized grips and 125 gr .38 hollow points at 15 yards, I shot a 145 points out of 150. 30 rounds, 5 holes. I was going through the same holes. Which is a testament to a fine and steady gun. I had to take a class very much like the modern LTC class.
To me, the school to be certified an LTC instructor is not really a hurdle, just a busy half week. Again, as I had said before, the big thing is insurance. Even with insurance, the real work begins with the safety rules. What to do about infractions. Accidental is one thing, blatant disregard is another. That being said, I can still see where airsoft is a viable method. It is very forgiving of accidents precisely because it is non-lethal (mostly.) However, I would advocate practicing with ear protection in so that it is a habit if one should be in a situation of live fire.
Are there some people operating a camp without insurance? That could be dicey. If someone gets injured, they could sue the operator of the camp. Looking into having a deer lease property, there is wisdom to get insurance for that because people can get injured. Same goes for this, then. I would suggest asking an insurance company that handles business insurance, which is a majority of companies, what the yearly costs and coverage are. Then, the other business cost. Like the State of Texas Comptroller extracts a pound of flesh or 1 percent of company income per year.
As for zeroing, why not zero close? Any ballistic calculator can show where you should be at a distance, before you get to the range. Let's say, in the house you only have 7 yards. Input your ammo information and desired actual zero, such as 25 yard zero. Then enter 7 yards and it will tell you where you should be. It might say 23 MOA. What that means is that you need look through the bore at your crosshair target and then look in the scope and adjust until lines up. Slip the scale and reset the turret so that 23 MOA is now on the alignment mark. And of course, sight for windage. It will not be accurate because actual recoil acts different than dry fire.
Now, when you go to the range, dial your elevation back to zero and shoot the 25 yard you should be zero of target and only have to adjust for windage. That is just to confirm. Now get a ballistic solution for 25 yard distance on a 100 yard zero. Probably something around 5 1/4 MOA. Slip the scale again and set the turret back on 21 clicks from zero (1/4 MOA per click). Now, run the elevation down to zero and you should be within 1 MOA at 100 yards. Similar situation in mils. I know that is some figuring and math but that just makes it fun.
A-Hole, signing off.
Good morning Im2bent,
You are correct. I used the term "zeroing", but in practicality, the process would be considered "boresighting."
-Krieger
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Good morning TheGerman,
The last time that I used a MIL dot reticle was 2014. Was I fan of it? Yes. Completely. I've since moved on to other reticles and I know that the members of this forum have a vast degree of knowledge in this area. I haven't had anything to do with MIL dot or Duplex reticles for quite some time.
However, over the course of the last few years I've met many hunters and various other personnel who are still using the MIL dot reticle, a version of it, a duplex style reticle or a Duplex/MIL dot combination (my words, not necessarily correct technically in description).
What I keep experiencing is that these marksmen are not very familiar with acquiring DOPE, measuring windage, and finding out what their actual scope indications are for various ranges, etc., etc.
It is for this demographic of marksmen that I have written this and part 2 of this series for.
Finally, you are correct... During my military service I utilized the Leupold M3A Ultra (10x) scope.
-Krieger
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I have not removed any links. I'm not sure what you're referencing..
The emails work fine.
Staff have been answering the phone number.
-Krieger
Also, I often go to an indoor 100 yard range and you can bring the target in close to 7 yards and then move out, as necessary. And no one minds because it is always loud in there and you cannot go in without hearing protection. So, for me, personally, if someone in the lane next to me was shooting at 7 yards, why should that bother me? Anyway, so, yeah, you could avoid all the turret slipping I was previously talking about and just go to an indoor range.
Sooooooo whats Part 3 going to be?
- How to use an abacus?
- Introduction to wind constant formulas?
- The ballistic advantages of the 30-06?
- Putting together an ALICE pack?
- How to use an abacus?
- Introduction to wind constant formulas?
- The ballistic advantages of the 30-06?
- Putting together an ALICE pack?
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