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Re: Law enforcement disrespect
By the way, respect is not a constitutional right, and the police owe you none!
By the way, respect is not a constitutional right, and the police owe you none!
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fortified Peasant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By the way, respect is not a constitutional right, and the police owe you none! </div></div>
Your ADVERSARIAL attitude is why so many folks have lost respect for LE, thanks for the display.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fortified Peasant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By the way, respect is not a constitutional right, and the police owe you none! </div></div>
Your ADVERSARIAL attitude is why so many folks have lost respect for LE, thanks for the display.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
I was not trying to be “ADVERSARIAL “ and as far as I was aware most people don’t like, or respect the police (most likely because when they encounter the police they are either breaking the law, or watching something on the news that in completely misinterpreted)
Don’t get me wrong, there are bad cops and I understand that, (BTW I’m not a cop, but I have a few cousins in NY that are) these are just my opinions. I do feel that most cops are fighting the good fight and have the public’s best interest in mind. If anyone on this post thinks otherwise you should apply for your local PD and make a difference!
I was not trying to be “ADVERSARIAL “ and as far as I was aware most people don’t like, or respect the police (most likely because when they encounter the police they are either breaking the law, or watching something on the news that in completely misinterpreted)
Don’t get me wrong, there are bad cops and I understand that, (BTW I’m not a cop, but I have a few cousins in NY that are) these are just my opinions. I do feel that most cops are fighting the good fight and have the public’s best interest in mind. If anyone on this post thinks otherwise you should apply for your local PD and make a difference!
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fortified Peasant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By the way, respect is not a constitutional right, and the police owe you none! </div></div>
Your ADVERSARIAL attitude is why so many folks have lost respect for LE, thanks for the display. </div></div>
My attitude has nothing to do with the bad attitude of others, and If My Jedi mind tricks have worked on you then……
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fortified Peasant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By the way, respect is not a constitutional right, and the police owe you none! </div></div>
Your ADVERSARIAL attitude is why so many folks have lost respect for LE, thanks for the display. </div></div>
My attitude has nothing to do with the bad attitude of others, and If My Jedi mind tricks have worked on you then……
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
Most folks are not gonna tell their dentist what to do to fix a tooth; most are not going to tell their mechanic about how he should go about fixing their car; nor will they instruct the AC guy on how to fix their AC when its broken...but EVERYONE knows exactly what its like to do be a cop, let alone do it better, and therefore have the fortitude to tell the police that they are either not doing their job correctly. Athhud, how receptive are you if some yahoo shows up and tells you that you havent the slightest clue as to what you are doing? Not that you will get that type of event very often selling cows, but how many times would it have to happen before your human emotions begin to show? But then again, if that happened I guess you should just find another line of work, cant have someone acting human now can we?
Folks can minimize a police officers job all they like. Its a sad man's attempt to take something away that they will not achieve. Its a fact, unless you have been there, and done it, STFU and stop talking like you know how simple and easy you think it is, and how you can do it better, blah blah. I dunno if you served, I didn't, and you will not find any moment in my life where I try to minimize ANYONE who has, let alone try to relate to them. I think thats slug-like behavior, and trying to do it with LE is no different.
To the OP
Fact: Aside from word of mouth experiences from the civillian population, 100% of all information regarding police activity is reported from the media, and we all know the media gives nothing but unbiased, boring and complete information, right?
Fact: Tally up every interaction the public has with the police in the US. Less than 1% of that interaction results in a legitimate misconduct on the part of the officer.
Fact: 99% of reported police activity (from the media) is of that 1%.
Fact: Police enforce the law + people dont like many laws= People dont like police. Human nature, people dont like being corrected. Police let people know then they were wrong, thus they dont like cops.
Fact: Most of the population really does trust the police. More folks are very appreciative and understanding of the sacrifices and what it can cost you. Most of the hate you hear is from the same, the ignorant mass, much like racial hate groups, they dont need a lot to be heard. They have their reasons to dislike the police. Most are bullshit. They can take the bitterness to the grave, because if you are serious about LE, you will realize that there is more good to it, more reward, than what you will find from some loudmouth keyboard commando on a gun forum.
Most folks are not gonna tell their dentist what to do to fix a tooth; most are not going to tell their mechanic about how he should go about fixing their car; nor will they instruct the AC guy on how to fix their AC when its broken...but EVERYONE knows exactly what its like to do be a cop, let alone do it better, and therefore have the fortitude to tell the police that they are either not doing their job correctly. Athhud, how receptive are you if some yahoo shows up and tells you that you havent the slightest clue as to what you are doing? Not that you will get that type of event very often selling cows, but how many times would it have to happen before your human emotions begin to show? But then again, if that happened I guess you should just find another line of work, cant have someone acting human now can we?
Folks can minimize a police officers job all they like. Its a sad man's attempt to take something away that they will not achieve. Its a fact, unless you have been there, and done it, STFU and stop talking like you know how simple and easy you think it is, and how you can do it better, blah blah. I dunno if you served, I didn't, and you will not find any moment in my life where I try to minimize ANYONE who has, let alone try to relate to them. I think thats slug-like behavior, and trying to do it with LE is no different.
To the OP
Fact: Aside from word of mouth experiences from the civillian population, 100% of all information regarding police activity is reported from the media, and we all know the media gives nothing but unbiased, boring and complete information, right?
Fact: Tally up every interaction the public has with the police in the US. Less than 1% of that interaction results in a legitimate misconduct on the part of the officer.
Fact: 99% of reported police activity (from the media) is of that 1%.
Fact: Police enforce the law + people dont like many laws= People dont like police. Human nature, people dont like being corrected. Police let people know then they were wrong, thus they dont like cops.
Fact: Most of the population really does trust the police. More folks are very appreciative and understanding of the sacrifices and what it can cost you. Most of the hate you hear is from the same, the ignorant mass, much like racial hate groups, they dont need a lot to be heard. They have their reasons to dislike the police. Most are bullshit. They can take the bitterness to the grave, because if you are serious about LE, you will realize that there is more good to it, more reward, than what you will find from some loudmouth keyboard commando on a gun forum.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Most folks are not gonna tell their dentist what to do to fix a tooth; most are not going to tell their mechanic about how he should go about fixing their car; nor will they instruct the AC guy on how to fix their AC when its broken...but EVERYONE knows exactly what its like to do be a cop, let alone do it better, and therefore have the fortitude to tell the police that they are either not doing their job correctly. Athhud, how receptive are you if some yahoo shows up and tells you that you havent the slightest clue as to what you are doing? Not that you will get that type of event very often selling cows, but how many times would it have to happen before your human emotions begin to show? But then again, if that happened I guess you should just find another line of work, cant have someone acting human now can we?
Folks can minimize a police officers job all they like. Its a sad man's attempt to take something away that they will not achieve. Its a fact, unless you have been there, and done it, STFU and stop talking like you know how simple and easy you think it is, and how you can do it better, blah blah. I dunno if you served, I didn't, and you will not find any moment in my life where I try to minimize ANYONE who has, let alone try to relate to them. I think thats slug-like behavior, and trying to do it with LE is no different.
To the OP
Fact: Aside from word of mouth experiences from the civillian population, 100% of all information regarding police activity is reported from the media, and we all know the media gives nothing but unbiased, boring and complete information, right?
Fact: Tally up every interaction the public has with the police in the US. Less than 1% of that interaction results in a legitimate misconduct on the part of the officer.
Fact: 99% of reported police activity (from the media) is of that 1%.
Fact: Police enforce the law + people dont like many laws= People dont like police. Human nature, people dont like being corrected. Police let people know then they were wrong, thus they dont like cops.
Fact: Most of the population really does trust the police. More folks are very appreciative and understanding of the sacrifices and what it can cost you. Most of the hate you hear is from the same, the ignorant mass, much like racial hate groups, they dont need a lot to be heard. They have their reasons to dislike the police. Most are bullshit. They can take the bitterness to the grave, because if you are serious about LE, you will realize that there is more good to it, more reward, than what you will find from some loudmouth keyboard commando on a gun forum.
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I've seen you post this bullshit twice or so now...
fact:
people do tell their dentist how to fix a tooth... "I want gold fillings".. "I want enamel"... "I just want it pulled"
people do tell their mechanics too... "I want OEM parts"... "oh such and such is starting to go out, well I'll push it a little longer"... "just fix it as cheap as you can, I don't care"
same w/ A/C guys
the DIFFERENCE is those guys realize who pays them and listen, otherwise the guy down the road will do what the customer wants...
if a person doesn't like local LE, it's not like they can call the next county over instead, this is a big reason why people have issue w/ modern government... they feel like they just have to take what's dished out....
and a LOT of people aren't liking today's soup
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Most folks are not gonna tell their dentist what to do to fix a tooth; most are not going to tell their mechanic about how he should go about fixing their car; nor will they instruct the AC guy on how to fix their AC when its broken...but EVERYONE knows exactly what its like to do be a cop, let alone do it better, and therefore have the fortitude to tell the police that they are either not doing their job correctly. Athhud, how receptive are you if some yahoo shows up and tells you that you havent the slightest clue as to what you are doing? Not that you will get that type of event very often selling cows, but how many times would it have to happen before your human emotions begin to show? But then again, if that happened I guess you should just find another line of work, cant have someone acting human now can we?
Folks can minimize a police officers job all they like. Its a sad man's attempt to take something away that they will not achieve. Its a fact, unless you have been there, and done it, STFU and stop talking like you know how simple and easy you think it is, and how you can do it better, blah blah. I dunno if you served, I didn't, and you will not find any moment in my life where I try to minimize ANYONE who has, let alone try to relate to them. I think thats slug-like behavior, and trying to do it with LE is no different.
To the OP
Fact: Aside from word of mouth experiences from the civillian population, 100% of all information regarding police activity is reported from the media, and we all know the media gives nothing but unbiased, boring and complete information, right?
Fact: Tally up every interaction the public has with the police in the US. Less than 1% of that interaction results in a legitimate misconduct on the part of the officer.
Fact: 99% of reported police activity (from the media) is of that 1%.
Fact: Police enforce the law + people dont like many laws= People dont like police. Human nature, people dont like being corrected. Police let people know then they were wrong, thus they dont like cops.
Fact: Most of the population really does trust the police. More folks are very appreciative and understanding of the sacrifices and what it can cost you. Most of the hate you hear is from the same, the ignorant mass, much like racial hate groups, they dont need a lot to be heard. They have their reasons to dislike the police. Most are bullshit. They can take the bitterness to the grave, because if you are serious about LE, you will realize that there is more good to it, more reward, than what you will find from some loudmouth keyboard commando on a gun forum.
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I've seen you post this bullshit twice or so now...
fact:
people do tell their dentist how to fix a tooth... "I want gold fillings".. "I want enamel"... "I just want it pulled"
people do tell their mechanics too... "I want OEM parts"... "oh such and such is starting to go out, well I'll push it a little longer"... "just fix it as cheap as you can, I don't care"
same w/ A/C guys
the DIFFERENCE is those guys realize who pays them and listen, otherwise the guy down the road will do what the customer wants...
if a person doesn't like local LE, it's not like they can call the next county over instead, this is a big reason why people have issue w/ modern government... they feel like they just have to take what's dished out....
and a LOT of people aren't liking today's soup
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
FYI.. at SOME point enough people WILL decide they don't have to take it anymore and there will be another civil war or some other change.. it's happened to EVERY government in history, it'll happen here again too
FYI.. at SOME point enough people WILL decide they don't have to take it anymore and there will be another civil war or some other change.. it's happened to EVERY government in history, it'll happen here again too
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DirectAssault</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am seriously getting aggrivated about how people treat cops now days. Its ridiculous! The other day I walking through the local safeway and I walked past some kids that looked about 15-16 years old. I couldnt help but hear their conversation as we passed. In about 10 seconds I heard "fuck the cops" or "fuck the police" at least 3 times! Now im pretty young myself being 23 years old but if my dad ever heard me say that he would beat my ass in front of the cops! Its really disturbing to me. I have wanted to be a police officer my whole life and now it seems like no one is thankful for the service. Im not a police officer yet but I dont want people to hate me just because of a badge or a title.
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It is all a matter of perspective.
People who have small regard for the law and for cops say negative things because that is their point of view. Cops, on the other hand, have strongly negative feelings towards people who have obvious negative attitudes towards the law and those who enforce it.
Basic human nature because we dislike those who dislike us.
Maybe I am showing my age but I feel real strongly that the modern era of dislike of law enforcement in general started when "the government" decided to enact prohibition.
Immediately this put anybody who was law enforcement on the opposite side of the law from the majority of the population.
Once that got repealed we made it up to the 60's with increasing racial tension where often LE was on the wrong side and using their badges as a weapon to stifle racial equality. Sometimes they were helping the fight for equality but it takes 10 rights to offset 1 wrong so the common public attitude was that law enforcement was in the pocket of the whites supremecists.
In the late 60's and early 70's it was the Vietnam War bringing the people who were against against the conflict against LE, who were trying to keep things sane and nonviolent. That didn't work well because the television was full of riot police breaking up demonstrations with tear gas and rubber bullets and the term "Pig" became a much used slur.
In the 70's we had the 55 mph national speed limit with lots and lots of bad feelings being brought specifically towards the traffic cops writing the tickets to enforce the idiotic laws.
From the 70's till present we have been in the middle of the "War on Drugs" with law enforcement and the courts locking up the most people in the history of our country and possibly the most in the whole world. Just as prohibition divided LE from civilian in the old days, these days drugs and LE are on opposite sides of the fence.
Because of all that history a large part of the population, myself included, have grown to adulthood and even into old age with a large distrust of Police.
If the political Left ever gets firm control of the law making machine you can expect gun owners to be on the opposite side of the fence from Law Enforcement. Not sure how that one will turn out in the short term and hopefully I will be dead and buried before that day comes.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DirectAssault</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am seriously getting aggrivated about how people treat cops now days. Its ridiculous! The other day I walking through the local safeway and I walked past some kids that looked about 15-16 years old. I couldnt help but hear their conversation as we passed. In about 10 seconds I heard "fuck the cops" or "fuck the police" at least 3 times! Now im pretty young myself being 23 years old but if my dad ever heard me say that he would beat my ass in front of the cops! Its really disturbing to me. I have wanted to be a police officer my whole life and now it seems like no one is thankful for the service. Im not a police officer yet but I dont want people to hate me just because of a badge or a title.
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It is all a matter of perspective.
People who have small regard for the law and for cops say negative things because that is their point of view. Cops, on the other hand, have strongly negative feelings towards people who have obvious negative attitudes towards the law and those who enforce it.
Basic human nature because we dislike those who dislike us.
Maybe I am showing my age but I feel real strongly that the modern era of dislike of law enforcement in general started when "the government" decided to enact prohibition.
Immediately this put anybody who was law enforcement on the opposite side of the law from the majority of the population.
Once that got repealed we made it up to the 60's with increasing racial tension where often LE was on the wrong side and using their badges as a weapon to stifle racial equality. Sometimes they were helping the fight for equality but it takes 10 rights to offset 1 wrong so the common public attitude was that law enforcement was in the pocket of the whites supremecists.
In the late 60's and early 70's it was the Vietnam War bringing the people who were against against the conflict against LE, who were trying to keep things sane and nonviolent. That didn't work well because the television was full of riot police breaking up demonstrations with tear gas and rubber bullets and the term "Pig" became a much used slur.
In the 70's we had the 55 mph national speed limit with lots and lots of bad feelings being brought specifically towards the traffic cops writing the tickets to enforce the idiotic laws.
From the 70's till present we have been in the middle of the "War on Drugs" with law enforcement and the courts locking up the most people in the history of our country and possibly the most in the whole world. Just as prohibition divided LE from civilian in the old days, these days drugs and LE are on opposite sides of the fence.
Because of all that history a large part of the population, myself included, have grown to adulthood and even into old age with a large distrust of Police.
If the political Left ever gets firm control of the law making machine you can expect gun owners to be on the opposite side of the fence from Law Enforcement. Not sure how that one will turn out in the short term and hopefully I will be dead and buried before that day comes.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Okie Gordon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DirectAssault</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am seriously getting aggrivated about how people treat cops now days. Its ridiculous! The other day I walking through the local safeway and I walked past some kids that looked about 15-16 years old. I couldnt help but hear their conversation as we passed. In about 10 seconds I heard "fuck the cops" or "fuck the police" at least 3 times! Now im pretty young myself being 23 years old but if my dad ever heard me say that he would beat my ass in front of the cops! Its really disturbing to me. I have wanted to be a police officer my whole life and now it seems like no one is thankful for the service. Im not a police officer yet but I dont want people to hate me just because of a badge or a title.
</div></div>
It is all a matter of perspective.
People who have small regard for the law and for cops say negative things because that is their point of view. Cops, on the other hand, have strongly negative feelings towards people who have obvious negative attitudes towards the law and those who enforce it.
Basic human nature because we dislike those who dislike us.
Maybe I am showing my age but I feel real strongly that the modern era of dislike of law enforcement in general started when "the government" decided to enact prohibition.
Immediately this put anybody who was law enforcement on the opposite side of the law from the majority of the population.
Once that got repealed we made it up to the 60's with increasing racial tension where often LE was on the wrong side and using their badges as a weapon to stifle racial equality. Sometimes they were helping the fight for equality but it takes 10 rights to offset 1 wrong so the common public attitude was that law enforcement was in the pocket of the whites supremecists.
In the late 60's and early 70's it was the Vietnam War bringing the people who were against against the conflict against LE, who were trying to keep things sane and nonviolent. That didn't work well because the television was full of riot police breaking up demonstrations with tear gas and rubber bullets and the term "Pig" became a much used slur.
In the 70's we had the 55 mph national speed limit with lots and lots of bad feelings being brought specifically towards the traffic cops writing the tickets to enforce the idiotic laws.
From the 70's till present we have been in the middle of the "War on Drugs" with law enforcement and the courts locking up the most people in the history of our country and possibly the most in the whole world. Just as prohibition divided LE from civilian in the old days, these days drugs and LE are on opposite sides of the fence.
Because of all that history a large part of the population, myself included, have grown to adulthood and even into old age with a large distrust of Police.
If the political Left ever gets firm control of the law making machine you can expect gun owners to be on the opposite side of the fence from Law Enforcement. Not sure how that one will turn out in the short term and hopefully I will be dead and buried before that day comes.</div></div>
I agree 100%...
though I will add that all these things have also created a attitude among LE of "us against them" and given LE a distrust of the public as a whole
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Okie Gordon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DirectAssault</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am seriously getting aggrivated about how people treat cops now days. Its ridiculous! The other day I walking through the local safeway and I walked past some kids that looked about 15-16 years old. I couldnt help but hear their conversation as we passed. In about 10 seconds I heard "fuck the cops" or "fuck the police" at least 3 times! Now im pretty young myself being 23 years old but if my dad ever heard me say that he would beat my ass in front of the cops! Its really disturbing to me. I have wanted to be a police officer my whole life and now it seems like no one is thankful for the service. Im not a police officer yet but I dont want people to hate me just because of a badge or a title.
</div></div>
It is all a matter of perspective.
People who have small regard for the law and for cops say negative things because that is their point of view. Cops, on the other hand, have strongly negative feelings towards people who have obvious negative attitudes towards the law and those who enforce it.
Basic human nature because we dislike those who dislike us.
Maybe I am showing my age but I feel real strongly that the modern era of dislike of law enforcement in general started when "the government" decided to enact prohibition.
Immediately this put anybody who was law enforcement on the opposite side of the law from the majority of the population.
Once that got repealed we made it up to the 60's with increasing racial tension where often LE was on the wrong side and using their badges as a weapon to stifle racial equality. Sometimes they were helping the fight for equality but it takes 10 rights to offset 1 wrong so the common public attitude was that law enforcement was in the pocket of the whites supremecists.
In the late 60's and early 70's it was the Vietnam War bringing the people who were against against the conflict against LE, who were trying to keep things sane and nonviolent. That didn't work well because the television was full of riot police breaking up demonstrations with tear gas and rubber bullets and the term "Pig" became a much used slur.
In the 70's we had the 55 mph national speed limit with lots and lots of bad feelings being brought specifically towards the traffic cops writing the tickets to enforce the idiotic laws.
From the 70's till present we have been in the middle of the "War on Drugs" with law enforcement and the courts locking up the most people in the history of our country and possibly the most in the whole world. Just as prohibition divided LE from civilian in the old days, these days drugs and LE are on opposite sides of the fence.
Because of all that history a large part of the population, myself included, have grown to adulthood and even into old age with a large distrust of Police.
If the political Left ever gets firm control of the law making machine you can expect gun owners to be on the opposite side of the fence from Law Enforcement. Not sure how that one will turn out in the short term and hopefully I will be dead and buried before that day comes.</div></div>
I agree 100%...
though I will add that all these things have also created a attitude among LE of "us against them" and given LE a distrust of the public as a whole
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Athhud, how receptive are you if some yahoo shows up and tells you that you havent the slightest clue as to what you are doing? Not that you will get that type of event very often selling cows, but how many times would it have to happen before your human emotions begin to show? But then again, if that happened I guess you should just find another line of work, cant have someone acting human now can we?
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You'd be amazed at how often it happens. Numerous idiots often recommend that a hay field should be bush-hogged. I also hear people whining about the odor of a few different fertilizers or the "mooing" of cows after calves are weaned. Pretty much happens every year. I guess, deep down in my frozen heart that is filled with don't give a fuck, there is an emotion somewhere that might be somewhat similar to your reference. You know what I do/feel about it? Absolutely nothing! I have far more important things to be worried about, than the meanderings of some clueless soul who can't even begin to comprehend the humor of the stupid shit they say. I feel the same way about that, as I do a doctor trying to prescribe meds I don't need or another "check-up". The same goes for that dentist that is only going to give me a local anesthetic.... Screw him, I'm gonna need to be stoned for this visit. As for the AC guy and the mechanic.... In the rare occasion that they touch anything I own (assuming it is warranty work), I'll be watching them like a hawk and most likely end up fixing what they half-ass.
You see, on a farm you have to be a doctor, dentist, mechanic, meteorologist, botanist, and even a coppa! There are murders, rapes, assaults, child abuse, thefts and plenty of other crimes in nature. AC repair is technically optional, but the cab of a tractor is like a green house. Unless you pick up the night shift, you can't work without AC in the summer. Hell, even abortion is a hot topic around here
I tried to paint a fairly clear picture that demonstrates my rather low opinion of people in general. Even if my borderline narcissistic self considers 90% of the general population to be inferior, that doesn't mean that I can't be a decent person and treat them with respect. Even if I don't like being bothered with their complaints, I have to maintain good relations with the people in my community. A fairly new chemical, that we are using as a fertilizer, is a by-product of some kind of continuous process catalyst that is being manufactured by a major chemical company. It is dirt cheap in comparison to ammonium nitrate because the manufacturer just needs to get rid of it. However, if citizens of a community start bitching about the odor, to their local representatives, the manufacturer of the catalyst may be forced to restrict their distribution to farmers or at the very least increase cost.
I hope I succeeded in drawing a few parallels between the two fields and that you can take my ribbing in stride and perhaps gain a new perspective. If not, I really won't give a rat's ass. No pun intended.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Athhud, how receptive are you if some yahoo shows up and tells you that you havent the slightest clue as to what you are doing? Not that you will get that type of event very often selling cows, but how many times would it have to happen before your human emotions begin to show? But then again, if that happened I guess you should just find another line of work, cant have someone acting human now can we?
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You'd be amazed at how often it happens. Numerous idiots often recommend that a hay field should be bush-hogged. I also hear people whining about the odor of a few different fertilizers or the "mooing" of cows after calves are weaned. Pretty much happens every year. I guess, deep down in my frozen heart that is filled with don't give a fuck, there is an emotion somewhere that might be somewhat similar to your reference. You know what I do/feel about it? Absolutely nothing! I have far more important things to be worried about, than the meanderings of some clueless soul who can't even begin to comprehend the humor of the stupid shit they say. I feel the same way about that, as I do a doctor trying to prescribe meds I don't need or another "check-up". The same goes for that dentist that is only going to give me a local anesthetic.... Screw him, I'm gonna need to be stoned for this visit. As for the AC guy and the mechanic.... In the rare occasion that they touch anything I own (assuming it is warranty work), I'll be watching them like a hawk and most likely end up fixing what they half-ass.
You see, on a farm you have to be a doctor, dentist, mechanic, meteorologist, botanist, and even a coppa! There are murders, rapes, assaults, child abuse, thefts and plenty of other crimes in nature. AC repair is technically optional, but the cab of a tractor is like a green house. Unless you pick up the night shift, you can't work without AC in the summer. Hell, even abortion is a hot topic around here
I tried to paint a fairly clear picture that demonstrates my rather low opinion of people in general. Even if my borderline narcissistic self considers 90% of the general population to be inferior, that doesn't mean that I can't be a decent person and treat them with respect. Even if I don't like being bothered with their complaints, I have to maintain good relations with the people in my community. A fairly new chemical, that we are using as a fertilizer, is a by-product of some kind of continuous process catalyst that is being manufactured by a major chemical company. It is dirt cheap in comparison to ammonium nitrate because the manufacturer just needs to get rid of it. However, if citizens of a community start bitching about the odor, to their local representatives, the manufacturer of the catalyst may be forced to restrict their distribution to farmers or at the very least increase cost.
I hope I succeeded in drawing a few parallels between the two fields and that you can take my ribbing in stride and perhaps gain a new perspective. If not, I really won't give a rat's ass. No pun intended.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd be willing to trade for goats... you've already stated that cows are dangerous</div></div>
I wouldn't own a goat long enough to trade it.... Unless it was that ninja goat someone has in their avatar! Of course, he wouldn't be up for trade.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fortified Peasant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dont trade, his cows are man killers
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That is slanderous! (technically I think it is considered libel, but I'm not sure if libelous is a word)
Only a few have felony charges against man. All of which were sentenced to capital punishment before serving time in Hardee's. You can't let stereotypes dictate your opinion of a group. That's like saying all cops are assholes after meeting Slapchop.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd be willing to trade for goats... you've already stated that cows are dangerous</div></div>
I wouldn't own a goat long enough to trade it.... Unless it was that ninja goat someone has in their avatar! Of course, he wouldn't be up for trade.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fortified Peasant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dont trade, his cows are man killers
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That is slanderous! (technically I think it is considered libel, but I'm not sure if libelous is a word)
Only a few have felony charges against man. All of which were sentenced to capital punishment before serving time in Hardee's. You can't let stereotypes dictate your opinion of a group. That's like saying all cops are assholes after meeting Slapchop.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
I have read through quite a bit of this thread and I must say that it is bothersome to me to read stuff like "most cops" this and "95%" that. There are something along the lines of 850,000 people working in LE in the US. When cops fuck up, and we do because we are human, it gets splashed across the screen for everyone to see. This then shapes everyones perception of us.
A lot of people cry that we should not be "sheeple". Well, it's a two-way street. Why do you believe hook, line, and sinker that what you hear about .001% of us applies to the many? It just bothers me. I'm not in this job for the popularity contest and I will continue to do my job the right way with or without your approval, but it is frustrating to be painted with such a broad brush stroke.
As far as being over-jealous and really trying to jam people up... non-sense. Personally, I have let more petty stuff slide on the street to wait for a "big fish" a ton of times. But, if the young guy wants to go out and write soccor mom who is driving while talking on the cellphone, well he has the right to, it's his job to enforce the vehicle code.
Vehicle and Crimes Code enforcement is in our job description. If your job was to put hub caps on cars at a factory and you up and decide that you are not going to put hub caps on every third car... how long would you have your job?
I have read through quite a bit of this thread and I must say that it is bothersome to me to read stuff like "most cops" this and "95%" that. There are something along the lines of 850,000 people working in LE in the US. When cops fuck up, and we do because we are human, it gets splashed across the screen for everyone to see. This then shapes everyones perception of us.
A lot of people cry that we should not be "sheeple". Well, it's a two-way street. Why do you believe hook, line, and sinker that what you hear about .001% of us applies to the many? It just bothers me. I'm not in this job for the popularity contest and I will continue to do my job the right way with or without your approval, but it is frustrating to be painted with such a broad brush stroke.
As far as being over-jealous and really trying to jam people up... non-sense. Personally, I have let more petty stuff slide on the street to wait for a "big fish" a ton of times. But, if the young guy wants to go out and write soccor mom who is driving while talking on the cellphone, well he has the right to, it's his job to enforce the vehicle code.
Vehicle and Crimes Code enforcement is in our job description. If your job was to put hub caps on cars at a factory and you up and decide that you are not going to put hub caps on every third car... how long would you have your job?
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
I will agree what was posted above about the 1% of the bad cops making us all look bad. It is unfortunate that 1% is making the 99% of us look bad and it pisses us off, yet there is very little we can do about it because 99% of the public thinks we are all assholes.
No matter how many times I take my time and give someone directions, go the extra mile on a call, help someone with their child seat, save someone's live, etc, I still get treated like the 1% of the assholes. That's not fair. We see the same videos of cops doing stupid ahit and we shake our heads like the rest of you guys.
I'm also well aware that I chose this profession and I knew the good and bad and I knew the criticism that we would get, but the hatred towards cops has been getting much worse and I know for a fact that we much better than the officers from generations ago. The only difference is that they didn't have cameras, the Internet, and YouTube. So for the guys that think that LE should go back to the way it used to be, I strongly disagree.
I will agree what was posted above about the 1% of the bad cops making us all look bad. It is unfortunate that 1% is making the 99% of us look bad and it pisses us off, yet there is very little we can do about it because 99% of the public thinks we are all assholes.
No matter how many times I take my time and give someone directions, go the extra mile on a call, help someone with their child seat, save someone's live, etc, I still get treated like the 1% of the assholes. That's not fair. We see the same videos of cops doing stupid ahit and we shake our heads like the rest of you guys.
I'm also well aware that I chose this profession and I knew the good and bad and I knew the criticism that we would get, but the hatred towards cops has been getting much worse and I know for a fact that we much better than the officers from generations ago. The only difference is that they didn't have cameras, the Internet, and YouTube. So for the guys that think that LE should go back to the way it used to be, I strongly disagree.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will agree what was posted above about the 1% of the bad cops making us all look bad. It is unfortunate that 1% is making the 99% of us look bad and it pisses us off, yet there is very little we can do about it because 99% of the public thinks we are all assholes.
No matter how many times I take my time and give someone directions, go the extra mile on a call, help someone with their child seat, save someone's live, etc, I still get treated like the 1% of the assholes. That's not fair. We see the same videos of cops doing stupid ahit and we shake our heads like the rest of you guys.
I'm also well aware that I chose this profession and I knew the good and bad and I knew the criticism that we would get, but the hatred towards cops has been getting much worse and I know for a fact that we much better than the officers from generations ago. The only difference is that they didn't have cameras, the Internet, and YouTube. So for the guys that think that LE should go back to the way it used to be, I strongly disagree. </div></div>
No shit man. My uncle worked The Highway when Rizzo was the boss. Yeah, let's go back to the "good old days" when cops were friendly.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will agree what was posted above about the 1% of the bad cops making us all look bad. It is unfortunate that 1% is making the 99% of us look bad and it pisses us off, yet there is very little we can do about it because 99% of the public thinks we are all assholes.
No matter how many times I take my time and give someone directions, go the extra mile on a call, help someone with their child seat, save someone's live, etc, I still get treated like the 1% of the assholes. That's not fair. We see the same videos of cops doing stupid ahit and we shake our heads like the rest of you guys.
I'm also well aware that I chose this profession and I knew the good and bad and I knew the criticism that we would get, but the hatred towards cops has been getting much worse and I know for a fact that we much better than the officers from generations ago. The only difference is that they didn't have cameras, the Internet, and YouTube. So for the guys that think that LE should go back to the way it used to be, I strongly disagree. </div></div>
No shit man. My uncle worked The Highway when Rizzo was the boss. Yeah, let's go back to the "good old days" when cops were friendly.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I for one would like to take it there and give them a taste of old school policing. </div></div>
Slap's idea of "old school policing"
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I for one would like to take it there and give them a taste of old school policing. </div></div>
Slap's idea of "old school policing"
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheTick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No shit man. My uncle worked The Highway when Rizzo was the boss. Yeah, let's go back to the "good old days" when cops were friendly. </div></div>
Yeah, we're gonna get to "kinder and gentler" real soon now.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheTick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No shit man. My uncle worked The Highway when Rizzo was the boss. Yeah, let's go back to the "good old days" when cops were friendly. </div></div>
Yeah, we're gonna get to "kinder and gentler" real soon now.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: opshin556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The job always required a cool head and a even temper.
what happened? </div></div>
This:
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WOW! looks like freakin stormtroopers!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: opshin556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The job always required a cool head and a even temper.
what happened? </div></div>
This:
</div></div>
WOW! looks like freakin stormtroopers!
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will agree what was posted above about the 1% of the bad cops making us all look bad. It is unfortunate that 1% is making the 99% of us look bad and it pisses us off, yet there is very little we can do about it because 99% of the public thinks we are all assholes.
No matter how many times I take my time and give someone directions, go the extra mile on a call, help someone with their child seat, save someone's live, etc, I still get treated like the 1% of the assholes. That's not fair. We see the same videos of cops doing stupid ahit and we shake our heads like the rest of you guys.
I'm also well aware that I chose this profession and I knew the good and bad and I knew the criticism that we would get, but the hatred towards cops has been getting much worse and I know for a fact that we much better than the officers from generations ago. The only difference is that they didn't have cameras, the Internet, and YouTube. So for the guys that think that LE should go back to the way it used to be, I strongly disagree.</div></div>
I call BS on this. The 99% are not willing to correct the 1%.
Every single cop out in the streets knows who the 1% are on his/her dept.
The freakin unions protect these guys and the 99% just shut the F up so they dont lose their pensions.
Get real
By the way, most of us who do our jobs dont expect recognition for it, just a paycheck.
So whining about a lack of recognition for doing your job just makes me want to hand you a lollipop and sit you in the corner.
geesh!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will agree what was posted above about the 1% of the bad cops making us all look bad. It is unfortunate that 1% is making the 99% of us look bad and it pisses us off, yet there is very little we can do about it because 99% of the public thinks we are all assholes.
No matter how many times I take my time and give someone directions, go the extra mile on a call, help someone with their child seat, save someone's live, etc, I still get treated like the 1% of the assholes. That's not fair. We see the same videos of cops doing stupid ahit and we shake our heads like the rest of you guys.
I'm also well aware that I chose this profession and I knew the good and bad and I knew the criticism that we would get, but the hatred towards cops has been getting much worse and I know for a fact that we much better than the officers from generations ago. The only difference is that they didn't have cameras, the Internet, and YouTube. So for the guys that think that LE should go back to the way it used to be, I strongly disagree.</div></div>
I call BS on this. The 99% are not willing to correct the 1%.
Every single cop out in the streets knows who the 1% are on his/her dept.
The freakin unions protect these guys and the 99% just shut the F up so they dont lose their pensions.
Get real
By the way, most of us who do our jobs dont expect recognition for it, just a paycheck.
So whining about a lack of recognition for doing your job just makes me want to hand you a lollipop and sit you in the corner.
geesh!!
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: opshin556</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will agree what was posted above about the 1% of the bad cops making us all look bad. It is unfortunate that 1% is making the 99% of us look bad and it pisses us off, yet there is very little we can do about it because 99% of the public thinks we are all assholes.
No matter how many times I take my time and give someone directions, go the extra mile on a call, help someone with their child seat, save someone's live, etc, I still get treated like the 1% of the assholes. That's not fair. We see the same videos of cops doing stupid ahit and we shake our heads like the rest of you guys.
I'm also well aware that I chose this profession and I knew the good and bad and I knew the criticism that we would get, but the hatred towards cops has been getting much worse and I know for a fact that we much better than the officers from generations ago. The only difference is that they didn't have cameras, the Internet, and YouTube. So for the guys that think that LE should go back to the way it used to be, I strongly disagree.</div></div>
I call BS on this. The 99% are not willing to correct the 1%.
Every single cop out in the streets knows who the 1% are on his/her dept.
The freakin unions protect these guys and the 99% just shut the F up so they dont lose their pensions.
Get real </div></div>
The few guys that we had that actually committed some sort of crimes, even the minor ones, have been fired. Unfortunately, being a rude a-hole isn't exactly a fireable offense, so the few robo-cops that we have are hard to get rid of.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: opshin556</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will agree what was posted above about the 1% of the bad cops making us all look bad. It is unfortunate that 1% is making the 99% of us look bad and it pisses us off, yet there is very little we can do about it because 99% of the public thinks we are all assholes.
No matter how many times I take my time and give someone directions, go the extra mile on a call, help someone with their child seat, save someone's live, etc, I still get treated like the 1% of the assholes. That's not fair. We see the same videos of cops doing stupid ahit and we shake our heads like the rest of you guys.
I'm also well aware that I chose this profession and I knew the good and bad and I knew the criticism that we would get, but the hatred towards cops has been getting much worse and I know for a fact that we much better than the officers from generations ago. The only difference is that they didn't have cameras, the Internet, and YouTube. So for the guys that think that LE should go back to the way it used to be, I strongly disagree.</div></div>
I call BS on this. The 99% are not willing to correct the 1%.
Every single cop out in the streets knows who the 1% are on his/her dept.
The freakin unions protect these guys and the 99% just shut the F up so they dont lose their pensions.
Get real </div></div>
The few guys that we had that actually committed some sort of crimes, even the minor ones, have been fired. Unfortunately, being a rude a-hole isn't exactly a fireable offense, so the few robo-cops that we have are hard to get rid of.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: opshin556</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will agree what was posted above about the 1% of the bad cops making us all look bad. It is unfortunate that 1% is making the 99% of us look bad and it pisses us off, yet there is very little we can do about it because 99% of the public thinks we are all assholes.
No matter how many times I take my time and give someone directions, go the extra mile on a call, help someone with their child seat, save someone's live, etc, I still get treated like the 1% of the assholes. That's not fair. We see the same videos of cops doing stupid ahit and we shake our heads like the rest of you guys.
I'm also well aware that I chose this profession and I knew the good and bad and I knew the criticism that we would get, but the hatred towards cops has been getting much worse and I know for a fact that we much better than the officers from generations ago. The only difference is that they didn't have cameras, the Internet, and YouTube. So for the guys that think that LE should go back to the way it used to be, I strongly disagree.</div></div>
By the way, most of us who do our jobs dont expect recognition for it, just a paycheck.
So whining about a lack of recognition for doing your job just makes me want to hand you a lollipop and sit you in the corner.
geesh!! </div></div>
See, these are the ignorant comments that start a shit storm on these forums. Where in my comment did I say that I want recognition for anything? If you want to interpret shit your own way, then you can continue this conversation with yourself, because I don't care to deal with ignorant people.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: opshin556</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will agree what was posted above about the 1% of the bad cops making us all look bad. It is unfortunate that 1% is making the 99% of us look bad and it pisses us off, yet there is very little we can do about it because 99% of the public thinks we are all assholes.
No matter how many times I take my time and give someone directions, go the extra mile on a call, help someone with their child seat, save someone's live, etc, I still get treated like the 1% of the assholes. That's not fair. We see the same videos of cops doing stupid ahit and we shake our heads like the rest of you guys.
I'm also well aware that I chose this profession and I knew the good and bad and I knew the criticism that we would get, but the hatred towards cops has been getting much worse and I know for a fact that we much better than the officers from generations ago. The only difference is that they didn't have cameras, the Internet, and YouTube. So for the guys that think that LE should go back to the way it used to be, I strongly disagree.</div></div>
By the way, most of us who do our jobs dont expect recognition for it, just a paycheck.
So whining about a lack of recognition for doing your job just makes me want to hand you a lollipop and sit you in the corner.
geesh!! </div></div>
See, these are the ignorant comments that start a shit storm on these forums. Where in my comment did I say that I want recognition for anything? If you want to interpret shit your own way, then you can continue this conversation with yourself, because I don't care to deal with ignorant people.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
Respect works both ways.
I understand the whole "<span style="font-style: italic">band of brothers</span>" and "<span style="font-style: italic">thin blue line</span>" stuff. I spent over a decade in the Marines and understand camaraderie. But until <span style="font-weight: bold">we</span> (<span style="font-style: italic">the general public</span>) start actually seeing and believing that the "<span style="font-style: italic">good cops</span>" will not just sit idly by and/or remain silent when these "<span style="font-style: italic">bad cops</span>" misbehave, then we will continue to paint you all with the same broad brush.
This is how I see it...
<span style="text-decoration: underline">- BAD COPS:</span>
A fairly small percentage of the total force (less than 10%). These are the Bad Apples.
<span style="text-decoration: underline">- GOOD COPS:</span>
These are the ones who try and stop the bad apples, regardless of the consequences. They will even come forward and proactively try and get the bad apples removed or corrected. Sadly this is also a very small percentage (probably around 5-10%).
<span style="text-decoration: underline">- COPS:</span>
The majority of cops in most departments. They usually try to do their job the best they can. They are usually decent folks trying to do a very hard job. But they also know what happens to those who "rat" on fellow officers and often remain silent when they see wrong doing by fellow cops. This is the Majority of cops (80-90%).
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Respect works both ways.
I understand the whole "<span style="font-style: italic">band of brothers</span>" and "<span style="font-style: italic">thin blue line</span>" stuff. I spent over a decade in the Marines and understand camaraderie. But until <span style="font-weight: bold">we</span> (<span style="font-style: italic">the general public</span>) start actually seeing and believing that the "<span style="font-style: italic">good cops</span>" will not just sit idly by and/or remain silent when these "<span style="font-style: italic">bad cops</span>" misbehave, then we will continue to paint you all with the same broad brush.
This is how I see it...
<span style="text-decoration: underline">- BAD COPS:</span>
A fairly small percentage of the total force (less than 10%). These are the Bad Apples.
<span style="text-decoration: underline">- GOOD COPS:</span>
These are the ones who try and stop the bad apples, regardless of the consequences. They will even come forward and proactively try and get the bad apples removed or corrected. Sadly this is also a very small percentage (probably around 5-10%).
<span style="text-decoration: underline">- COPS:</span>
The majority of cops in most departments. They usually try to do their job the best they can. They are usually decent folks trying to do a very hard job. But they also know what happens to those who "rat" on fellow officers and often remain silent when they see wrong doing by fellow cops. This is the Majority of cops (80-90%).
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Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: opshin556</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will agree what was posted above about the 1% of the bad cops making us all look bad. It is unfortunate that 1% is making the 99% of us look bad and it pisses us off, yet there is very little we can do about it because 99% of the public thinks we are all assholes.
No matter how many times I take my time and give someone directions, go the extra mile on a call, help someone with their child seat, save someone's live, etc, I still get treated like the 1% of the assholes. That's not fair. We see the same videos of cops doing stupid ahit and we shake our heads like the rest of you guys.
I'm also well aware that I chose this profession and I knew the good and bad and I knew the criticism that we would get, but the hatred towards cops has been getting much worse and I know for a fact that we much better than the officers from generations ago. The only difference is that they didn't have cameras, the Internet, and YouTube. So for the guys that think that LE should go back to the way it used to be, I strongly disagree.</div></div>
By the way, most of us who do our jobs dont expect recognition for it, just a paycheck.
So whining about a lack of recognition for doing your job just makes me want to hand you a lollipop and sit you in the corner.
geesh!! </div></div>
See, these are the ignorant comments that start a shit storm on these forums. Where in my comment did I say that I want recognition for anything? If you want to interpret shit your own way, then you can continue this conversation with yourself, because I don't care to deal with ignorant people.</div></div>
Oh I dont know...mentioning helping get a kid in a child seat?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: opshin556</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will agree what was posted above about the 1% of the bad cops making us all look bad. It is unfortunate that 1% is making the 99% of us look bad and it pisses us off, yet there is very little we can do about it because 99% of the public thinks we are all assholes.
No matter how many times I take my time and give someone directions, go the extra mile on a call, help someone with their child seat, save someone's live, etc, I still get treated like the 1% of the assholes. That's not fair. We see the same videos of cops doing stupid ahit and we shake our heads like the rest of you guys.
I'm also well aware that I chose this profession and I knew the good and bad and I knew the criticism that we would get, but the hatred towards cops has been getting much worse and I know for a fact that we much better than the officers from generations ago. The only difference is that they didn't have cameras, the Internet, and YouTube. So for the guys that think that LE should go back to the way it used to be, I strongly disagree.</div></div>
By the way, most of us who do our jobs dont expect recognition for it, just a paycheck.
So whining about a lack of recognition for doing your job just makes me want to hand you a lollipop and sit you in the corner.
geesh!! </div></div>
See, these are the ignorant comments that start a shit storm on these forums. Where in my comment did I say that I want recognition for anything? If you want to interpret shit your own way, then you can continue this conversation with yourself, because I don't care to deal with ignorant people.</div></div>
Oh I dont know...mentioning helping get a kid in a child seat?
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: opshin556</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: opshin556</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will agree what was posted above about the 1% of the bad cops making us all look bad. It is unfortunate that 1% is making the 99% of us look bad and it pisses us off, yet there is very little we can do about it because 99% of the public thinks we are all assholes.
No matter how many times I take my time and give someone directions, go the extra mile on a call, help someone with their child seat, save someone's live, etc, I still get treated like the 1% of the assholes. That's not fair. We see the same videos of cops doing stupid ahit and we shake our heads like the rest of you guys.
I'm also well aware that I chose this profession and I knew the good and bad and I knew the criticism that we would get, but the hatred towards cops has been getting much worse and I know for a fact that we much better than the officers from generations ago. The only difference is that they didn't have cameras, the Internet, and YouTube. So for the guys that think that LE should go back to the way it used to be, I strongly disagree.</div></div>
By the way, most of us who do our jobs dont expect recognition for it, just a paycheck.
So whining about a lack of recognition for doing your job just makes me want to hand you a lollipop and sit you in the corner.
geesh!! </div></div>
See, these are the ignorant comments that start a shit storm on these forums. Where in my comment did I say that I want recognition for anything? If you want to interpret shit your own way, then you can continue this conversation with yourself, because I don't care to deal with ignorant people.</div></div>
Oh I dont know...mentioning helping get a kid in a child seat? </div></div>
Installing car seats, not helping get a kid out of a child seat. At least I can always say that I'm an immigrant and my reading comprehension sucks at time. What's your excuse?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: opshin556</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: opshin556</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will agree what was posted above about the 1% of the bad cops making us all look bad. It is unfortunate that 1% is making the 99% of us look bad and it pisses us off, yet there is very little we can do about it because 99% of the public thinks we are all assholes.
No matter how many times I take my time and give someone directions, go the extra mile on a call, help someone with their child seat, save someone's live, etc, I still get treated like the 1% of the assholes. That's not fair. We see the same videos of cops doing stupid ahit and we shake our heads like the rest of you guys.
I'm also well aware that I chose this profession and I knew the good and bad and I knew the criticism that we would get, but the hatred towards cops has been getting much worse and I know for a fact that we much better than the officers from generations ago. The only difference is that they didn't have cameras, the Internet, and YouTube. So for the guys that think that LE should go back to the way it used to be, I strongly disagree.</div></div>
By the way, most of us who do our jobs dont expect recognition for it, just a paycheck.
So whining about a lack of recognition for doing your job just makes me want to hand you a lollipop and sit you in the corner.
geesh!! </div></div>
See, these are the ignorant comments that start a shit storm on these forums. Where in my comment did I say that I want recognition for anything? If you want to interpret shit your own way, then you can continue this conversation with yourself, because I don't care to deal with ignorant people.</div></div>
Oh I dont know...mentioning helping get a kid in a child seat? </div></div>
Installing car seats, not helping get a kid out of a child seat. At least I can always say that I'm an immigrant and my reading comprehension sucks at time. What's your excuse?
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
Many years ago, I took an oath to uphold the laws, as stated, in the Constitution of the United States of America and the State of Louisiana. To protect this great country and state from threats both foreign and domestic and to ensure the safety of the citizens of this country and state. Now, I don't make the laws, that's why there are politicians. If you don't like the laws, complain to the politicians, not me. Personally, the way I see it, obey the law and you can laugh all you want about how all I do is set on the side of the road. I agree, you have good police and bad ones. I've placed cuffs on numerous officers and children of officers. It is my obligation to assist people in need, while the good citizens pass them by. Yeah, we probably all need a pay raise (all who reads this), but in this time and day, may not happen, so we all have to earn our pay. I don't get paid any extra for writing more tickets or making more arrest, there is not a list of who we will harass today, and no, when you break the law, I have nothing better to do but harass you, the criminal who broke the law by drinking and driving. Sure, let's get rid of all laws, and then remember why they were placed there. I don't agree with politicians exempting themselves from the laws, I'm not. Why should they. But then, I have to listen to "Good Citizens" threaten to kill me because I have to enforce the laws. As with any person with common sense, if you threaten me, or attempt to use force against me or my family, I will do what ever I have to to protect myself, family and property. So, why do I do this job? Simple. I have decided that I can make a difference in somebody's life. Whether it is the child that I let set in my patrol vehicle and play with the lights and siren, the lady that couldn't open the jar of pickles (yeah, we get those calls too), the elderly lady that needed to place flowers on her husband's grave, but couldn't leave her house, and the young man that needed help loading his deerstand on a trailer. Yeah, I handled those calls, and I made a difference. I, along with numerous deputies and officers, believe in less government, and earning what you have. It is a shame that the younger generation feels that everything has to be given to them. To read these post, it would appear that there are those that do not want any type of law. Well, I don't know of a place around here that you'll find satisfactory. I do know that I have been asked (by a citizen) time and time again to technically "make a law" because they're mad at a neighbor. Sorry, don't work like that. So yeah, I do what I can to live an honest life. I can sleep at night knowing that I've done everything in my power to make a difference in someone's life. For all you non-LEO's, if our paths should cross, I'll be as nice and polite as you allow me. If I have to stop you, then yes there is a reason I have probable cause. Now, as far as comparing law enforcement to raising cattle, there is no comparison (I have done both).You said so yourself. You cull the herd of all non performing animals. You can be rewarded by either money from the sale or steak from the slaughter house. If I tried to do that with the public, I'd be called a murderer. As history proves, you can not run a population like a livestock herd. It has been tried and shown to fail. Ask Hitler, Stalin, and Saddam Hussien. My statement may be ridiculed by the computer warriors and unintelligent, that's fine. Don't judge us all by the actions of a few. There are alot of names that I can call several people on this thread by just reading the post, as with several other LEO's, and we'll be able to pinpoint exactly how you act. Profile, yes, through experience. Separates the rookies from the vets, no matter what line of work you're in.
Many years ago, I took an oath to uphold the laws, as stated, in the Constitution of the United States of America and the State of Louisiana. To protect this great country and state from threats both foreign and domestic and to ensure the safety of the citizens of this country and state. Now, I don't make the laws, that's why there are politicians. If you don't like the laws, complain to the politicians, not me. Personally, the way I see it, obey the law and you can laugh all you want about how all I do is set on the side of the road. I agree, you have good police and bad ones. I've placed cuffs on numerous officers and children of officers. It is my obligation to assist people in need, while the good citizens pass them by. Yeah, we probably all need a pay raise (all who reads this), but in this time and day, may not happen, so we all have to earn our pay. I don't get paid any extra for writing more tickets or making more arrest, there is not a list of who we will harass today, and no, when you break the law, I have nothing better to do but harass you, the criminal who broke the law by drinking and driving. Sure, let's get rid of all laws, and then remember why they were placed there. I don't agree with politicians exempting themselves from the laws, I'm not. Why should they. But then, I have to listen to "Good Citizens" threaten to kill me because I have to enforce the laws. As with any person with common sense, if you threaten me, or attempt to use force against me or my family, I will do what ever I have to to protect myself, family and property. So, why do I do this job? Simple. I have decided that I can make a difference in somebody's life. Whether it is the child that I let set in my patrol vehicle and play with the lights and siren, the lady that couldn't open the jar of pickles (yeah, we get those calls too), the elderly lady that needed to place flowers on her husband's grave, but couldn't leave her house, and the young man that needed help loading his deerstand on a trailer. Yeah, I handled those calls, and I made a difference. I, along with numerous deputies and officers, believe in less government, and earning what you have. It is a shame that the younger generation feels that everything has to be given to them. To read these post, it would appear that there are those that do not want any type of law. Well, I don't know of a place around here that you'll find satisfactory. I do know that I have been asked (by a citizen) time and time again to technically "make a law" because they're mad at a neighbor. Sorry, don't work like that. So yeah, I do what I can to live an honest life. I can sleep at night knowing that I've done everything in my power to make a difference in someone's life. For all you non-LEO's, if our paths should cross, I'll be as nice and polite as you allow me. If I have to stop you, then yes there is a reason I have probable cause. Now, as far as comparing law enforcement to raising cattle, there is no comparison (I have done both).You said so yourself. You cull the herd of all non performing animals. You can be rewarded by either money from the sale or steak from the slaughter house. If I tried to do that with the public, I'd be called a murderer. As history proves, you can not run a population like a livestock herd. It has been tried and shown to fail. Ask Hitler, Stalin, and Saddam Hussien. My statement may be ridiculed by the computer warriors and unintelligent, that's fine. Don't judge us all by the actions of a few. There are alot of names that I can call several people on this thread by just reading the post, as with several other LEO's, and we'll be able to pinpoint exactly how you act. Profile, yes, through experience. Separates the rookies from the vets, no matter what line of work you're in.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
Kinda missed my point.... I never said anything about selling non-performing cattle. While that is a reality, it is not the example that I presented. My example referred to removing those that endanger my life and the life of their peers for my safety and the safety of the herd. Please tell me that you don't do that.....
By the way, hitching up to a cattle trailer and driving 45 minutes one way to sell one stupid cow is in no way profitable. The fuel, labor, and lost time almost negate any profit potential that the animal had. It is far more profitable to sell 50,000lb loads at a time. In an apples to oranges comparison you probably get paid far more in one shift than I do spending half a day fooling with one maniac cow.
It is kind of ironic that you drew that conclusion from my posts. The "culling the herd" mindset is what most people here are complaining about.
Kinda missed my point.... I never said anything about selling non-performing cattle. While that is a reality, it is not the example that I presented. My example referred to removing those that endanger my life and the life of their peers for my safety and the safety of the herd. Please tell me that you don't do that.....
By the way, hitching up to a cattle trailer and driving 45 minutes one way to sell one stupid cow is in no way profitable. The fuel, labor, and lost time almost negate any profit potential that the animal had. It is far more profitable to sell 50,000lb loads at a time. In an apples to oranges comparison you probably get paid far more in one shift than I do spending half a day fooling with one maniac cow.
It is kind of ironic that you drew that conclusion from my posts. The "culling the herd" mindset is what most people here are complaining about.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
Good choice of words Dogman.
Well written,
Easy to read,
To the point,
Accurate,
Good choice of words Dogman.
Well written,
Easy to read,
To the point,
Accurate,
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fortified Peasant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is just a guess, but I'm assuming none of these posts were written by LEO's.
</div></div>
Can we assume you are not totally ignorant and have read the entirety of this thread? It's a rhetorical question...
Dogman makes a very good statement. I also note a certain post with percentages. Snitches get stiches all over I guess.
That photo of the ASV. Not fooling me with the lack of the mounted M2 and Mk19. Those are just a small hour away from easy mounting in that turret and mark my words, when properly functioning, that pair of weapons can lay serious scunion while the crew sits in pretty good safety.
That parade of riot geared dudes? Hand to hand is a real motherfucker and I am sure there are those who would make that job damn tough. Not everyone is a soft bodied, limp wristed occupy hippy vegan enema nozzle.
I had the oppurtunity immedietely after the Loma Prieta quake to dawn riot gear and walk into the Marina District of San Francisco to secure the safety and law and order, then assist those in need in that order. We always held powers of arrest in the state by our duty and our job. Funny thing though, when we faced people down, they silently turned and walked away. A block or few blocks away, the LEO got rocks, bottles and everything else thrown at them. I guess when we locked and loaded our M16's it made a pretty heavy statement. That statement was made even heavier when we fixed bayonets and began our left foot stomp march under my toughest NCO Voice. Yeah, for a minute, we felt nothing more than the highest level of power brought about by being armed and in total authority of our AO. I always wondered how cops felt after that because they didn't have bayonets on M16's like we did
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fortified Peasant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is just a guess, but I'm assuming none of these posts were written by LEO's.
</div></div>
Can we assume you are not totally ignorant and have read the entirety of this thread? It's a rhetorical question...
Dogman makes a very good statement. I also note a certain post with percentages. Snitches get stiches all over I guess.
That photo of the ASV. Not fooling me with the lack of the mounted M2 and Mk19. Those are just a small hour away from easy mounting in that turret and mark my words, when properly functioning, that pair of weapons can lay serious scunion while the crew sits in pretty good safety.
That parade of riot geared dudes? Hand to hand is a real motherfucker and I am sure there are those who would make that job damn tough. Not everyone is a soft bodied, limp wristed occupy hippy vegan enema nozzle.
I had the oppurtunity immedietely after the Loma Prieta quake to dawn riot gear and walk into the Marina District of San Francisco to secure the safety and law and order, then assist those in need in that order. We always held powers of arrest in the state by our duty and our job. Funny thing though, when we faced people down, they silently turned and walked away. A block or few blocks away, the LEO got rocks, bottles and everything else thrown at them. I guess when we locked and loaded our M16's it made a pretty heavy statement. That statement was made even heavier when we fixed bayonets and began our left foot stomp march under my toughest NCO Voice. Yeah, for a minute, we felt nothing more than the highest level of power brought about by being armed and in total authority of our AO. I always wondered how cops felt after that because they didn't have bayonets on M16's like we did
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
Athhud, you are aware that cattle dont have civil rights and humans do, right? Apples to nuts is what this comparison seems like. In fact it has absolutely nothing to do with it. How does enforcement of the law have anything to do with imposing will thus leading to the merchandising of cattle? Honestly, if you have a point, I dont think the Hubble telescope can see it.
Ok, so you deal with people. Well as anyone who is in sales, your ability to deal with people is what determines if you make money or not. Police are not in the buisness of making people happy. If they do thier job right, in many cases, someone will not be happy. Thats not the imposing of ones will. Thats the will of society. Someone voted for the laws, which means somone wanted them. Dont want them? Find a way to get the majority on your side and get rid of them. (I really feel like a broken record saying that). Furthermore, none of the officers on here (or anywhere) are in anyway shape or form accountable for wrong doing another officer does. We get just as frustrated if we see them walk or get off easy. We have just as much authority over the issue as a guy selling cows.
Athhud, you are aware that cattle dont have civil rights and humans do, right? Apples to nuts is what this comparison seems like. In fact it has absolutely nothing to do with it. How does enforcement of the law have anything to do with imposing will thus leading to the merchandising of cattle? Honestly, if you have a point, I dont think the Hubble telescope can see it.
Ok, so you deal with people. Well as anyone who is in sales, your ability to deal with people is what determines if you make money or not. Police are not in the buisness of making people happy. If they do thier job right, in many cases, someone will not be happy. Thats not the imposing of ones will. Thats the will of society. Someone voted for the laws, which means somone wanted them. Dont want them? Find a way to get the majority on your side and get rid of them. (I really feel like a broken record saying that). Furthermore, none of the officers on here (or anywhere) are in anyway shape or form accountable for wrong doing another officer does. We get just as frustrated if we see them walk or get off easy. We have just as much authority over the issue as a guy selling cows.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fortified Peasant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is just a guess, but I'm assuming none of these posts were written by LEO's.
</div></div>
Can we assume you are not totally ignorant and have read the entirety of this thread? It's a rhetorical question...
Dogman makes a very good statement. I also note a certain post with percentages. Snitches get stiches all over I guess.
That photo of the ASV. Not fooling me with the lack of the mounted M2 and Mk19. Those are just a small hour away from easy mounting in that turret and mark my words, when properly functioning, that pair of weapons can lay serious scunion while the crew sits in pretty good safety.
That parade of riot geared dudes? Hand to hand is a real motherfucker and I am sure there are those who would make that job damn tough. Not everyone is a soft bodied, limp wristed occupy hippy vegan enema nozzle.
I had the oppurtunity immedietely after the Loma Prieta quake to dawn riot gear and walk into the Marina District of San Francisco to secure the safety and law and order, then assist those in need in that order. We always held powers of arrest in the state by our duty and our job. Funny thing though, when we faced people down, they silently turned and walked away. A block or few blocks away, the LEO got rocks, bottles and everything else thrown at them. I guess when we locked and loaded our M16's it made a pretty heavy statement. That statement was made even heavier when we fixed bayonets and began our left foot stomp march under my toughest NCO Voice. Yeah, for a minute, we felt nothing more than the highest level of power brought about by being armed and in total authority of our AO. I always wondered how cops felt after that because they didn't have bayonets on M16's like we did</div></div>
I’m new to this forum and am still learning how to navigate the posts. When I started a response to the post it was not the original and it appeared that 100% of the bias on the thread was anti LE.
I support all LEO’s and our troops and salute all who protect this country!
God Bless America!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fortified Peasant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is just a guess, but I'm assuming none of these posts were written by LEO's.
</div></div>
Can we assume you are not totally ignorant and have read the entirety of this thread? It's a rhetorical question...
Dogman makes a very good statement. I also note a certain post with percentages. Snitches get stiches all over I guess.
That photo of the ASV. Not fooling me with the lack of the mounted M2 and Mk19. Those are just a small hour away from easy mounting in that turret and mark my words, when properly functioning, that pair of weapons can lay serious scunion while the crew sits in pretty good safety.
That parade of riot geared dudes? Hand to hand is a real motherfucker and I am sure there are those who would make that job damn tough. Not everyone is a soft bodied, limp wristed occupy hippy vegan enema nozzle.
I had the oppurtunity immedietely after the Loma Prieta quake to dawn riot gear and walk into the Marina District of San Francisco to secure the safety and law and order, then assist those in need in that order. We always held powers of arrest in the state by our duty and our job. Funny thing though, when we faced people down, they silently turned and walked away. A block or few blocks away, the LEO got rocks, bottles and everything else thrown at them. I guess when we locked and loaded our M16's it made a pretty heavy statement. That statement was made even heavier when we fixed bayonets and began our left foot stomp march under my toughest NCO Voice. Yeah, for a minute, we felt nothing more than the highest level of power brought about by being armed and in total authority of our AO. I always wondered how cops felt after that because they didn't have bayonets on M16's like we did</div></div>
I’m new to this forum and am still learning how to navigate the posts. When I started a response to the post it was not the original and it appeared that 100% of the bias on the thread was anti LE.
I support all LEO’s and our troops and salute all who protect this country!
God Bless America!
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
I am fully aware of the civil rights granted to cattle. While I could argue that you are incorrect in saying that they have none, that wouldn't really prove relevant to the topic at hand.
I see metaphors and parallels are lost on a few of you.... My original point was that you can't allow one member of a society to define your perception of the society as a whole. Someone (Fortified Peasant) many posts ago blamed their shitty public relations skills on having to deal with bad guys on a regular basis. My ramblings about cows were merely a retort to that statement. I tried to demonstrate how ridiculous such logic appears by simplifying the variables with stupid cows. Seems that was still too complex for some. At no point in time did anything I say ever have anything to do with rights. Dogman in his abstract interpretation twisted my words into some whacked out theory involving historical tyrants..... Perhaps that is where you got mixed up.
Maybe this will clear things up:
1 bad cow does not make all cows bad.
1 bad people does not make all peoples bad.
Thus, no reason to be dick to all cows or people following an interaction with one bad cow or people. Handle the situation with the bad cow/people by sending them to the stockyard/prison and get the fuck over it.
For clarity, none of this cow shit has anything to do with my opinion of LEO. It is pretty much all a retort to a post that defied logic and reason.
Edit: I went back and found where I did mention "rights"
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just because you are aware of a potential danger doesn't always mean that you have the right to impose your will on a citizen.</div></div>
Please ignore that blunder and just pretend like I said:
Just because you are aware of a potential danger doesn't always mean that it is necessary to impose your will on a citizen.
I am fully aware of the civil rights granted to cattle. While I could argue that you are incorrect in saying that they have none, that wouldn't really prove relevant to the topic at hand.
I see metaphors and parallels are lost on a few of you.... My original point was that you can't allow one member of a society to define your perception of the society as a whole. Someone (Fortified Peasant) many posts ago blamed their shitty public relations skills on having to deal with bad guys on a regular basis. My ramblings about cows were merely a retort to that statement. I tried to demonstrate how ridiculous such logic appears by simplifying the variables with stupid cows. Seems that was still too complex for some. At no point in time did anything I say ever have anything to do with rights. Dogman in his abstract interpretation twisted my words into some whacked out theory involving historical tyrants..... Perhaps that is where you got mixed up.
Maybe this will clear things up:
1 bad cow does not make all cows bad.
1 bad people does not make all peoples bad.
Thus, no reason to be dick to all cows or people following an interaction with one bad cow or people. Handle the situation with the bad cow/people by sending them to the stockyard/prison and get the fuck over it.
For clarity, none of this cow shit has anything to do with my opinion of LEO. It is pretty much all a retort to a post that defied logic and reason.
Edit: I went back and found where I did mention "rights"
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just because you are aware of a potential danger doesn't always mean that you have the right to impose your will on a citizen.</div></div>
Please ignore that blunder and just pretend like I said:
Just because you are aware of a potential danger doesn't always mean that it is necessary to impose your will on a citizen.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
athhud,you misunderstood what I said. I never said that cops had bad PR skills. I was simply trying to state that the bad guy can look like anyone and there is no possible way for an officer to tell if any given person is good or bad.
Cops are not in the business of making people happy they are in the business of providing public safety.
Most of the cops that I have encountered had either a neutral or sterile attitude. Not sure how your local officers treat people or you for that matter, but I can guess if an officer goes from sterile to whatever your suggesting they act like it was in response to a bad situation.
athhud,you misunderstood what I said. I never said that cops had bad PR skills. I was simply trying to state that the bad guy can look like anyone and there is no possible way for an officer to tell if any given person is good or bad.
Cops are not in the business of making people happy they are in the business of providing public safety.
Most of the cops that I have encountered had either a neutral or sterile attitude. Not sure how your local officers treat people or you for that matter, but I can guess if an officer goes from sterile to whatever your suggesting they act like it was in response to a bad situation.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Police are not in the buisness of making people happy. </div></div>
Yes, they are.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If they do thier job right, in many cases, someone will not be happy.</div></div>
But society as a whole will be.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Thats not the imposing of ones will. Thats the will of society. </div></div>
When the job is done according to the law this is absolutely true. I've never said otherwise.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Someone voted for the laws, which means somone wanted them. Dont want them? Find a way to get the majority on your side and get rid of them. </div></div>
The law isn't the issue for most. It is the fact that the enforcers of the law do not follow it, that brings this entire issue to realm.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I really feel like a broken record saying that). </div></div>
I thought it was just me. I'm not even sure who you are arguing these points with. I haven't noticed anyone here complain about a LEO upholding the law in a professional manner.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Furthermore, none of the officers on here (or anywhere) are in anyway shape or form accountable for wrong doing another officer does. We get just as frustrated if we see them walk or get off easy. We have just as much authority over the issue as a guy selling cows.</div></div>
This couldn't be further from the truth. While you are not accountable for the actions of others, you do have the authority to uphold the law. Technically I am suppose to have a certain degree of authority, but I get the feeling that the attempted citizen's arrest of a LEO would prove otherwise.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Police are not in the buisness of making people happy. </div></div>
Yes, they are.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If they do thier job right, in many cases, someone will not be happy.</div></div>
But society as a whole will be.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Thats not the imposing of ones will. Thats the will of society. </div></div>
When the job is done according to the law this is absolutely true. I've never said otherwise.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Someone voted for the laws, which means somone wanted them. Dont want them? Find a way to get the majority on your side and get rid of them. </div></div>
The law isn't the issue for most. It is the fact that the enforcers of the law do not follow it, that brings this entire issue to realm.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I really feel like a broken record saying that). </div></div>
I thought it was just me. I'm not even sure who you are arguing these points with. I haven't noticed anyone here complain about a LEO upholding the law in a professional manner.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Furthermore, none of the officers on here (or anywhere) are in anyway shape or form accountable for wrong doing another officer does. We get just as frustrated if we see them walk or get off easy. We have just as much authority over the issue as a guy selling cows.</div></div>
This couldn't be further from the truth. While you are not accountable for the actions of others, you do have the authority to uphold the law. Technically I am suppose to have a certain degree of authority, but I get the feeling that the attempted citizen's arrest of a LEO would prove otherwise.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fortified Peasant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">athhud,you misunderstood what I said. I never said that cops had bad PR skills. I was simply trying to state that the bad guy can look like anyone and there is no possible way for an officer to tell if any given person is good or bad.
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The context in which the post fell seemed (to me) to imply that you were excusing bad PR skills with an officer's inability to view individuals of a society subjectively. If that was not your intent, then my apologies. To come full circle, my point was that an officer is not expected to differentiate between the good and bad, until the bad have proven to be so.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fortified Peasant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">athhud,you misunderstood what I said. I never said that cops had bad PR skills. I was simply trying to state that the bad guy can look like anyone and there is no possible way for an officer to tell if any given person is good or bad.
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The context in which the post fell seemed (to me) to imply that you were excusing bad PR skills with an officer's inability to view individuals of a society subjectively. If that was not your intent, then my apologies. To come full circle, my point was that an officer is not expected to differentiate between the good and bad, until the bad have proven to be so.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
Athhud, dont take this the wrong way, but I think you dug a little too deep in trying to make your comparisons here. It seemed that you were trying to minimize the tasks of a police officer and attempted to relate those tasks with those of someone who sells cows. It could have been when you said " It cracks me up when I see the "you need a badge to understand" whining". Particularly when you refer to it as whining.
Now <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">if</span></span> you were trying to get a different point across then fine. We can agree on that point being very lost. However, in your reference to it as whining, your wrong. Plain and simple. You cant even refer to it as whining with any degree of accuracy. It is an observational fact. So if your whole goal was to relate your employment with that of employment as a LEO, sorry bro, it just doesnt work that way. If I were to make that same effort with a fireman, or even another LE agency, that would be regarded as ignorance. I fail to see how that would be any different than what it appears you were doing.
Athhud, dont take this the wrong way, but I think you dug a little too deep in trying to make your comparisons here. It seemed that you were trying to minimize the tasks of a police officer and attempted to relate those tasks with those of someone who sells cows. It could have been when you said " It cracks me up when I see the "you need a badge to understand" whining". Particularly when you refer to it as whining.
Now <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">if</span></span> you were trying to get a different point across then fine. We can agree on that point being very lost. However, in your reference to it as whining, your wrong. Plain and simple. You cant even refer to it as whining with any degree of accuracy. It is an observational fact. So if your whole goal was to relate your employment with that of employment as a LEO, sorry bro, it just doesnt work that way. If I were to make that same effort with a fireman, or even another LE agency, that would be regarded as ignorance. I fail to see how that would be any different than what it appears you were doing.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
Atthud,
My apologies for offending you in my post. The statement concerning the whining and needing a badge was stuck in my head. As far as me being able to tell you that I don't "cull the herd", I wish that I could. I arrest people for breaking the law, if they are a threat to the public. Same as you would put the troublesome bovine into a different paddock. It would seem that you have a large operation, so yes, hauling one troublesome steer, heifer, bull, cow, etc., would be too costly, as with any business, the more product you can bring to the buyer, the more cost efficient it is for you. Money wise, I won't argue with you on that. Per hour basis, I do probably make more, but I would bet our individual tax returns are close to the same. Yes, I understand that you probably have to file quarterly taxes, but I may be wrong, but you should also file an individual return. Uncle Sam has to hit you twice. Taxes, I don't even want to discuss that, and being a business owner, you take a hit. Of course, I will say that you're doing something that many are choosing not too. Again, like law enforcement, the time and trouble compared to the pay, is not worth it. You have to desire to fulfill the comitment. You are correct when you mentioned it was ironic that I compared the law enforcement to cattle ranching. While I stated that there was no comparison, I was wrong. If you look at the overall bigger picture, I my opinion, it's about equal. You stated that you had to be a doctor, dentist, copper, etc., you're correct. Seriously, you are the CEO of your operation. Now, in hopes to make my post as clear as mud, I am over the animal control dept. of the Sheriff's Office. So, yes, I have spent half a day dealing with a crazy heifer. I also worked in the meat processing industry, and was raised on a small farm. Just a little background on myself. I will agree that yeah, you have "concerned citizens" who have only seen cows on tv, tell you how to raise them, and probably call the local law enforcement on you. I get calls like that all the time. I will also state, that many LEO's are unaware of laws that are written, that they don't enforce. Police academies only teach general public criminal laws and some traffic laws. Please folks, understand my post is not intended to poke fun at any one, but to encourage the writer of the original post, if he wants to be an LEO, then do it and make a difference. Now, being a rancher, athhud, has to deal with not only local LEO's but, the USDA FSIS (Food Safety Inspection Service), and EPA. As far as animal rights, oh yeah, there are laws for that. USDA CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) 9 (If memory serves me correctly). That states how the treatment of livestock, poultry, etc., is to be done from the farm to the table. The EPA will tell him how to store his chemicals, and of course the DEA will tell him how to store his vaccinations and medications for his livestock. The really sad part, is that the agencies can come and inspect his operations without any notifications or warrant. But, that's what you have to accept to be in his shoes. To finally make my point, we're not perfect, but we can only try to live better then what we did yesterday. I'm willing to accept the fact that someone may be filming me, and so I try to maintain the most professional appearance as possible, on or off duty. My career as a Law Enforcement Officer is very rewarding in it's own wsy. Of course, 14 more years to retirement, then I am going to take up my new career, be the bald fat guy, in the xs thong speedo, walking the beach. Or is there a law against that?
Atthud,
My apologies for offending you in my post. The statement concerning the whining and needing a badge was stuck in my head. As far as me being able to tell you that I don't "cull the herd", I wish that I could. I arrest people for breaking the law, if they are a threat to the public. Same as you would put the troublesome bovine into a different paddock. It would seem that you have a large operation, so yes, hauling one troublesome steer, heifer, bull, cow, etc., would be too costly, as with any business, the more product you can bring to the buyer, the more cost efficient it is for you. Money wise, I won't argue with you on that. Per hour basis, I do probably make more, but I would bet our individual tax returns are close to the same. Yes, I understand that you probably have to file quarterly taxes, but I may be wrong, but you should also file an individual return. Uncle Sam has to hit you twice. Taxes, I don't even want to discuss that, and being a business owner, you take a hit. Of course, I will say that you're doing something that many are choosing not too. Again, like law enforcement, the time and trouble compared to the pay, is not worth it. You have to desire to fulfill the comitment. You are correct when you mentioned it was ironic that I compared the law enforcement to cattle ranching. While I stated that there was no comparison, I was wrong. If you look at the overall bigger picture, I my opinion, it's about equal. You stated that you had to be a doctor, dentist, copper, etc., you're correct. Seriously, you are the CEO of your operation. Now, in hopes to make my post as clear as mud, I am over the animal control dept. of the Sheriff's Office. So, yes, I have spent half a day dealing with a crazy heifer. I also worked in the meat processing industry, and was raised on a small farm. Just a little background on myself. I will agree that yeah, you have "concerned citizens" who have only seen cows on tv, tell you how to raise them, and probably call the local law enforcement on you. I get calls like that all the time. I will also state, that many LEO's are unaware of laws that are written, that they don't enforce. Police academies only teach general public criminal laws and some traffic laws. Please folks, understand my post is not intended to poke fun at any one, but to encourage the writer of the original post, if he wants to be an LEO, then do it and make a difference. Now, being a rancher, athhud, has to deal with not only local LEO's but, the USDA FSIS (Food Safety Inspection Service), and EPA. As far as animal rights, oh yeah, there are laws for that. USDA CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) 9 (If memory serves me correctly). That states how the treatment of livestock, poultry, etc., is to be done from the farm to the table. The EPA will tell him how to store his chemicals, and of course the DEA will tell him how to store his vaccinations and medications for his livestock. The really sad part, is that the agencies can come and inspect his operations without any notifications or warrant. But, that's what you have to accept to be in his shoes. To finally make my point, we're not perfect, but we can only try to live better then what we did yesterday. I'm willing to accept the fact that someone may be filming me, and so I try to maintain the most professional appearance as possible, on or off duty. My career as a Law Enforcement Officer is very rewarding in it's own wsy. Of course, 14 more years to retirement, then I am going to take up my new career, be the bald fat guy, in the xs thong speedo, walking the beach. Or is there a law against that?
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
A link to a pretty good article concerning the LAPD specifically.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/01/for...test=latestnews
One of the sentences in the article that seems to sum it up is this,
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"That's out of the millions of contacts we have with the public and the tens of thousands of arrests. Because there's videotape in these incidents, they get a lot of media attention," Smith said."
To me it sums up the present pretty well and several people on this thread have pointed out the same thing.
The whole video situation is very much a two edged sword for LE. It can work in court to give the judge and jury a snapshot at what was happening during an incident. Probably gets more convictions, particularly when the video account shows the defendant lying thru their teeth about whatever took place.
On the other hand, it can also show incidents where individual officers cross the line from enforcing the law to becoming law breakers themselves.
Now that every cell phone is also a video camera, all of us (not just LE) have to remember that we might be recorded at just about any time or place and act accordingly.
As a civilian, I see the dramatic footage on the evening news showing cops beating the crap out of a small woman for driving and talking on her cell phone but I don't see any news video of the same officers handcuffed and taken away to be charged with whatever I would be charged with if I had treated that woman in that manner. In effect, the news media is showing me that LE officers are held to a different standard than I am held to. Right or wrong, that is what is being portrayed.
A link to a pretty good article concerning the LAPD specifically.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/01/for...test=latestnews
One of the sentences in the article that seems to sum it up is this,
"
"That's out of the millions of contacts we have with the public and the tens of thousands of arrests. Because there's videotape in these incidents, they get a lot of media attention," Smith said."
To me it sums up the present pretty well and several people on this thread have pointed out the same thing.
The whole video situation is very much a two edged sword for LE. It can work in court to give the judge and jury a snapshot at what was happening during an incident. Probably gets more convictions, particularly when the video account shows the defendant lying thru their teeth about whatever took place.
On the other hand, it can also show incidents where individual officers cross the line from enforcing the law to becoming law breakers themselves.
Now that every cell phone is also a video camera, all of us (not just LE) have to remember that we might be recorded at just about any time or place and act accordingly.
As a civilian, I see the dramatic footage on the evening news showing cops beating the crap out of a small woman for driving and talking on her cell phone but I don't see any news video of the same officers handcuffed and taken away to be charged with whatever I would be charged with if I had treated that woman in that manner. In effect, the news media is showing me that LE officers are held to a different standard than I am held to. Right or wrong, that is what is being portrayed.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I agree 100%...
though I will add that all these things have also created a attitude among LE of "us against them" and given LE a distrust of the public as a whole </div></div>
Sir, I respectfully ask that you not weigh in on what LE attitude about the public is unless you are a cop. I don't know what you do for a living, but I would not be qualified to speak on what your profession's feelings toward the general public.
I believe the kicker is that there is a large misconception as to what our job, and specifically mine, is. I chase the radio. I work in a smaller agency with 4 patrol squads. We handled approximately 78,000 calls in 2011 and I am usually scheduled to work 177 shifts. So that 213 calls a day of which my squad works half (12 hour shift) so that is 106 calls a 12 hour shift. Multiple that by 177 shifts and that is an average of 18,912 calls per year per squad.
If you really think that running that many calls allows me, or anyone else in my PD, to be involved in "the Government" and covering shit up, then you give me a lot of credit for multi-tasking.
More than likely you and I will never meet because you all actually appear to be law abiding citizens, but the general populations inability to "police itself" does not exist and therefore we must exist along with all of our big toys. Believe me, I would love nothing more that drive down the street and wave at everyone and general get paid for "what I might have to do" instead of "what I actually do". But there is one underlying theme on most of my calls were someone apologizes for "wasting my time" and such: "I work a 12 hour shift and if I wasn't here, then I'd just be somewhere else".
So I am imploring you, if you had a negative contact with a cop around your way, then leave it at exactly that. Maybe he's a dick, maybe you're a dick, maybe one of you was having a bad day.
As far as cops getting jaded, yeah, it can happen.... 78,000 times a year people call us and it is NEVER to say "Hi, I just want to let you know how much we appreciate you" or "We are having the best day ever and wanted to share it with you".
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I agree 100%...
though I will add that all these things have also created a attitude among LE of "us against them" and given LE a distrust of the public as a whole </div></div>
Sir, I respectfully ask that you not weigh in on what LE attitude about the public is unless you are a cop. I don't know what you do for a living, but I would not be qualified to speak on what your profession's feelings toward the general public.
I believe the kicker is that there is a large misconception as to what our job, and specifically mine, is. I chase the radio. I work in a smaller agency with 4 patrol squads. We handled approximately 78,000 calls in 2011 and I am usually scheduled to work 177 shifts. So that 213 calls a day of which my squad works half (12 hour shift) so that is 106 calls a 12 hour shift. Multiple that by 177 shifts and that is an average of 18,912 calls per year per squad.
If you really think that running that many calls allows me, or anyone else in my PD, to be involved in "the Government" and covering shit up, then you give me a lot of credit for multi-tasking.
More than likely you and I will never meet because you all actually appear to be law abiding citizens, but the general populations inability to "police itself" does not exist and therefore we must exist along with all of our big toys. Believe me, I would love nothing more that drive down the street and wave at everyone and general get paid for "what I might have to do" instead of "what I actually do". But there is one underlying theme on most of my calls were someone apologizes for "wasting my time" and such: "I work a 12 hour shift and if I wasn't here, then I'd just be somewhere else".
So I am imploring you, if you had a negative contact with a cop around your way, then leave it at exactly that. Maybe he's a dick, maybe you're a dick, maybe one of you was having a bad day.
As far as cops getting jaded, yeah, it can happen.... 78,000 times a year people call us and it is NEVER to say "Hi, I just want to let you know how much we appreciate you" or "We are having the best day ever and wanted to share it with you".
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheTick</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I agree 100%...
though I will add that all these things have also created a attitude among LE of "us against them" and given LE a distrust of the public as a whole </div></div>
Sir, I respectfully ask that you not weigh in on what LE attitude about the public is unless you are a cop. I don't know what you do for a living, but I would not be qualified to speak on what your profession's feelings toward the general public.
I believe the kicker is that there is a large misconception as to what our job, and specifically mine, is. I chase the radio. I work in a smaller agency with 4 patrol squads. We handled approximately 78,000 calls in 2011 and I am usually scheduled to work 177 shifts. So that 213 calls a day of which my squad works half (12 hour shift) so that is 106 calls a 12 hour shift. Multiple that by 177 shifts and that is an average of 18,912 calls per year per squad.
If you really think that running that many calls allows me, or anyone else in my PD, to be involved in "the Government" and covering shit up, then you give me a lot of credit for multi-tasking.
More than likely you and I will never meet because you all actually appear to be law abiding citizens, but the general populations inability to "police itself" does not exist and therefore we must exist along with all of our big toys. Believe me, I would love nothing more that drive down the street and wave at everyone and general get paid for "what I might have to do" instead of "what I actually do". But there is one underlying theme on most of my calls were someone apologizes for "wasting my time" and such: "I work a 12 hour shift and if I wasn't here, then I'd just be somewhere else".
So I am imploring you, if you had a negative contact with a cop around your way, then leave it at exactly that. Maybe he's a dick, maybe you're a dick, maybe one of you was having a bad day.
As far as cops getting jaded, yeah, it can happen.... 78,000 times a year people call us and it is NEVER to say "Hi, I just want to let you know how much we appreciate you" or "We are having the best day ever and wanted to share it with you". </div></div>
Excellent post!
And BTW, I am having a great day! Thanks!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheTick</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I agree 100%...
though I will add that all these things have also created a attitude among LE of "us against them" and given LE a distrust of the public as a whole </div></div>
Sir, I respectfully ask that you not weigh in on what LE attitude about the public is unless you are a cop. I don't know what you do for a living, but I would not be qualified to speak on what your profession's feelings toward the general public.
I believe the kicker is that there is a large misconception as to what our job, and specifically mine, is. I chase the radio. I work in a smaller agency with 4 patrol squads. We handled approximately 78,000 calls in 2011 and I am usually scheduled to work 177 shifts. So that 213 calls a day of which my squad works half (12 hour shift) so that is 106 calls a 12 hour shift. Multiple that by 177 shifts and that is an average of 18,912 calls per year per squad.
If you really think that running that many calls allows me, or anyone else in my PD, to be involved in "the Government" and covering shit up, then you give me a lot of credit for multi-tasking.
More than likely you and I will never meet because you all actually appear to be law abiding citizens, but the general populations inability to "police itself" does not exist and therefore we must exist along with all of our big toys. Believe me, I would love nothing more that drive down the street and wave at everyone and general get paid for "what I might have to do" instead of "what I actually do". But there is one underlying theme on most of my calls were someone apologizes for "wasting my time" and such: "I work a 12 hour shift and if I wasn't here, then I'd just be somewhere else".
So I am imploring you, if you had a negative contact with a cop around your way, then leave it at exactly that. Maybe he's a dick, maybe you're a dick, maybe one of you was having a bad day.
As far as cops getting jaded, yeah, it can happen.... 78,000 times a year people call us and it is NEVER to say "Hi, I just want to let you know how much we appreciate you" or "We are having the best day ever and wanted to share it with you". </div></div>
Excellent post!
And BTW, I am having a great day! Thanks!
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
I have met good and bad cops. I have met good and bad citizens. I met good and bad soldiers. I have met good and bad Marines. You see it all in 52 years of life and 25 in LE. The guy who said he did not believe anyone who posted here was a LEO is wrong. I did what my heart told me to do. Sometimes I pissed off the public and sometimes I pissed of other cops. Sometimes I pissed off Marines and Soldiers.
A long time ago my deceased father told me you tend to have the same experiences over and over. If you see bad only in one place you will see bad in every place you go to. That goes for people and jobs as well. You will see what you expect.
Me I dont have alot of room for hate of any group, race or job description. I go with people are generally good and sometimes they are bad. I dont think most folks dislike cops, or I would have gone nuts doing 25 years working for them ( well nuttier then I am anyway)
You will get the type of Army, Marine Corp and police Forces you expect and allow.
Take a breath and see if maybe you can find a place to see through others eyes.
25 years LE, retired and loving life
I have met good and bad cops. I have met good and bad citizens. I met good and bad soldiers. I have met good and bad Marines. You see it all in 52 years of life and 25 in LE. The guy who said he did not believe anyone who posted here was a LEO is wrong. I did what my heart told me to do. Sometimes I pissed off the public and sometimes I pissed of other cops. Sometimes I pissed off Marines and Soldiers.
A long time ago my deceased father told me you tend to have the same experiences over and over. If you see bad only in one place you will see bad in every place you go to. That goes for people and jobs as well. You will see what you expect.
Me I dont have alot of room for hate of any group, race or job description. I go with people are generally good and sometimes they are bad. I dont think most folks dislike cops, or I would have gone nuts doing 25 years working for them ( well nuttier then I am anyway)
You will get the type of Army, Marine Corp and police Forces you expect and allow.
Take a breath and see if maybe you can find a place to see through others eyes.
25 years LE, retired and loving life
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Athhud, dont take this the wrong way, but I think you dug a little too deep in trying to make your comparisons here. It seemed that you were trying to minimize the tasks of a police officer and attempted to relate those tasks with those of someone who sells cows. It could have been when you said " It cracks me up when I see the "you need a badge to understand" whining". Particularly when you refer to it as whining. </div></div>
I got nothing. My point is clearly written in black and white following that quote. If you can't decipher the words, then nothing else I say will make things any clearer to you. It had nothing to do with tasks and everything to do with interaction with the general public.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
However, in your reference to it as whining, your wrong. Plain and simple. You cant even refer to it as whining with any degree of accuracy. It is an observational fact. So if your whole goal was to relate your employment with that of employment as a LEO, sorry bro, it just doesnt work that way. If I were to make that same effort with a fireman, or even another LE agency, that would be regarded as ignorance. I fail to see how that would be any different than what it appears you were doing.</div></div>
I don't know what any of this clusterfuck of words means. If you think that every job in America doesn't share parallels with other careers, then there is no possible way that any good could come from continuing a conversation with you. Good day.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Athhud, dont take this the wrong way, but I think you dug a little too deep in trying to make your comparisons here. It seemed that you were trying to minimize the tasks of a police officer and attempted to relate those tasks with those of someone who sells cows. It could have been when you said " It cracks me up when I see the "you need a badge to understand" whining". Particularly when you refer to it as whining. </div></div>
I got nothing. My point is clearly written in black and white following that quote. If you can't decipher the words, then nothing else I say will make things any clearer to you. It had nothing to do with tasks and everything to do with interaction with the general public.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
However, in your reference to it as whining, your wrong. Plain and simple. You cant even refer to it as whining with any degree of accuracy. It is an observational fact. So if your whole goal was to relate your employment with that of employment as a LEO, sorry bro, it just doesnt work that way. If I were to make that same effort with a fireman, or even another LE agency, that would be regarded as ignorance. I fail to see how that would be any different than what it appears you were doing.</div></div>
I don't know what any of this clusterfuck of words means. If you think that every job in America doesn't share parallels with other careers, then there is no possible way that any good could come from continuing a conversation with you. Good day.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dogman125</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Atthud,
My apologies for offending you in my post. The statement concerning the whining and needing a badge was stuck in my head. As far as me being able to tell you that I don't "cull the herd", I wish that I could. I arrest people for breaking the law, if they are a threat to the public. Same as you would put the troublesome bovine into a different paddock. It would seem that you have a large operation, so yes, hauling one troublesome steer, heifer, bull, cow, etc., would be too costly, as with any business, the more product you can bring to the buyer, the more cost efficient it is for you. Money wise, I won't argue with you on that. Per hour basis, I do probably make more, but I would bet our individual tax returns are close to the same. Yes, I understand that you probably have to file quarterly taxes, but I may be wrong, but you should also file an individual return. Uncle Sam has to hit you twice. Taxes, I don't even want to discuss that, and being a business owner, you take a hit. Of course, I will say that you're doing something that many are choosing not too. Again, like law enforcement, the time and trouble compared to the pay, is not worth it. You have to desire to fulfill the comitment. You are correct when you mentioned it was ironic that I compared the law enforcement to cattle ranching. While I stated that there was no comparison, I was wrong. If you look at the overall bigger picture, I my opinion, it's about equal. You stated that you had to be a doctor, dentist, copper, etc., you're correct. Seriously, you are the CEO of your operation. Now, in hopes to make my post as clear as mud, I am over the animal control dept. of the Sheriff's Office. So, yes, I have spent half a day dealing with a crazy heifer. I also worked in the meat processing industry, and was raised on a small farm. Just a little background on myself. I will agree that yeah, you have "concerned citizens" who have only seen cows on tv, tell you how to raise them, and probably call the local law enforcement on you. I get calls like that all the time. I will also state, that many LEO's are unaware of laws that are written, that they don't enforce. Police academies only teach general public criminal laws and some traffic laws. Please folks, understand my post is not intended to poke fun at any one, but to encourage the writer of the original post, if he wants to be an LEO, then do it and make a difference. Now, being a rancher, athhud, has to deal with not only local LEO's but, the USDA FSIS (Food Safety Inspection Service), and EPA. As far as animal rights, oh yeah, there are laws for that. USDA CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) 9 (If memory serves me correctly). That states how the treatment of livestock, poultry, etc., is to be done from the farm to the table. The EPA will tell him how to store his chemicals, and of course the DEA will tell him how to store his vaccinations and medications for his livestock. The really sad part, is that the agencies can come and inspect his operations without any notifications or warrant. But, that's what you have to accept to be in his shoes. To finally make my point, we're not perfect, but we can only try to live better then what we did yesterday. I'm willing to accept the fact that someone may be filming me, and so I try to maintain the most professional appearance as possible, on or off duty. My career as a Law Enforcement Officer is very rewarding in it's own wsy. Of course, 14 more years to retirement, then I am going to take up my new career, be the bald fat guy, in the xs thong speedo, walking the beach. Or is there a law against that?</div></div>
I was in no way offended, I just enjoy a hearty debate with some good ribbing thrown in on the side. Your conscience can rest easy! lol
Seems to be a simple confusion in semantics. My definition of culling the herd, is sorting the good stock from the lesser stock to improve the quality of the herd. If you want that in human terms, call it Holocaust. What you are referring to, is what I consider to be removing a dangerous criminal from society. By your definition, culling the herd is indeed your job. It's amazing how many debates begin with a simple difference in semantics. You seem to have a pretty solid grasp on the ins and outs of the cattle operation. That is a pleasant surprise!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dogman125</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Atthud,
My apologies for offending you in my post. The statement concerning the whining and needing a badge was stuck in my head. As far as me being able to tell you that I don't "cull the herd", I wish that I could. I arrest people for breaking the law, if they are a threat to the public. Same as you would put the troublesome bovine into a different paddock. It would seem that you have a large operation, so yes, hauling one troublesome steer, heifer, bull, cow, etc., would be too costly, as with any business, the more product you can bring to the buyer, the more cost efficient it is for you. Money wise, I won't argue with you on that. Per hour basis, I do probably make more, but I would bet our individual tax returns are close to the same. Yes, I understand that you probably have to file quarterly taxes, but I may be wrong, but you should also file an individual return. Uncle Sam has to hit you twice. Taxes, I don't even want to discuss that, and being a business owner, you take a hit. Of course, I will say that you're doing something that many are choosing not too. Again, like law enforcement, the time and trouble compared to the pay, is not worth it. You have to desire to fulfill the comitment. You are correct when you mentioned it was ironic that I compared the law enforcement to cattle ranching. While I stated that there was no comparison, I was wrong. If you look at the overall bigger picture, I my opinion, it's about equal. You stated that you had to be a doctor, dentist, copper, etc., you're correct. Seriously, you are the CEO of your operation. Now, in hopes to make my post as clear as mud, I am over the animal control dept. of the Sheriff's Office. So, yes, I have spent half a day dealing with a crazy heifer. I also worked in the meat processing industry, and was raised on a small farm. Just a little background on myself. I will agree that yeah, you have "concerned citizens" who have only seen cows on tv, tell you how to raise them, and probably call the local law enforcement on you. I get calls like that all the time. I will also state, that many LEO's are unaware of laws that are written, that they don't enforce. Police academies only teach general public criminal laws and some traffic laws. Please folks, understand my post is not intended to poke fun at any one, but to encourage the writer of the original post, if he wants to be an LEO, then do it and make a difference. Now, being a rancher, athhud, has to deal with not only local LEO's but, the USDA FSIS (Food Safety Inspection Service), and EPA. As far as animal rights, oh yeah, there are laws for that. USDA CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) 9 (If memory serves me correctly). That states how the treatment of livestock, poultry, etc., is to be done from the farm to the table. The EPA will tell him how to store his chemicals, and of course the DEA will tell him how to store his vaccinations and medications for his livestock. The really sad part, is that the agencies can come and inspect his operations without any notifications or warrant. But, that's what you have to accept to be in his shoes. To finally make my point, we're not perfect, but we can only try to live better then what we did yesterday. I'm willing to accept the fact that someone may be filming me, and so I try to maintain the most professional appearance as possible, on or off duty. My career as a Law Enforcement Officer is very rewarding in it's own wsy. Of course, 14 more years to retirement, then I am going to take up my new career, be the bald fat guy, in the xs thong speedo, walking the beach. Or is there a law against that?</div></div>
I was in no way offended, I just enjoy a hearty debate with some good ribbing thrown in on the side. Your conscience can rest easy! lol
Seems to be a simple confusion in semantics. My definition of culling the herd, is sorting the good stock from the lesser stock to improve the quality of the herd. If you want that in human terms, call it Holocaust. What you are referring to, is what I consider to be removing a dangerous criminal from society. By your definition, culling the herd is indeed your job. It's amazing how many debates begin with a simple difference in semantics. You seem to have a pretty solid grasp on the ins and outs of the cattle operation. That is a pleasant surprise!
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
The parallels you are trying to illustrate are thin and vague. I will admit, what I wrote was a little hard to follow, I was tired, no excuse. I understand, all careers share a commonality. But those commonalities are few and far between. Sure you deal with people, so does a cop, a baker, a used car salesmen and a lawyer. Aside from the common factors that they all go to work, make money, and deal with people, there really isnt anything else in common with one another.
Here is a question. Someone in the field of LE wants to tell someone who sells cows how they should do their job. Even though I know nothing about selling cows "thats how I think it should be done." I am willing to bet that I would be told my lack of experience makes me the least qualified to give advice, and any opinion I have has very little bearing due to my lack of understanding of the job. Would you agree?
I hope this is a little more clearer. Because when you refer to a LEO stating "you need a badge to understand" as whining, and find it comical, its plain ignorant. How do you expect someone to respect your opinion if you are dismissing the details that make their profession extremely different than yours? And before you try to argue that you havent dismissed it, you have. By giving your opinion about that single statement you seem to think that dealing with people and addressing potential threats is what the two have in common and that all there is. If that were the case, then why isn't there a wall in DC with the names of cow salesmen who died in the coarse of their duties? Now I could be fairly ignorant and dismiss the dangers you may have to face, or comment on the methods you use to manage your buisness, but I am not gonna do that. Its out of line. Doesnt matter what line fo work you do. Minimal similarities are all they may share, but that doesnt give me the right to relate to it, and try to talk down on something that I know nothing about. I could, but then I would lose respect in myself for doing that.
The parallels you are trying to illustrate are thin and vague. I will admit, what I wrote was a little hard to follow, I was tired, no excuse. I understand, all careers share a commonality. But those commonalities are few and far between. Sure you deal with people, so does a cop, a baker, a used car salesmen and a lawyer. Aside from the common factors that they all go to work, make money, and deal with people, there really isnt anything else in common with one another.
Here is a question. Someone in the field of LE wants to tell someone who sells cows how they should do their job. Even though I know nothing about selling cows "thats how I think it should be done." I am willing to bet that I would be told my lack of experience makes me the least qualified to give advice, and any opinion I have has very little bearing due to my lack of understanding of the job. Would you agree?
I hope this is a little more clearer. Because when you refer to a LEO stating "you need a badge to understand" as whining, and find it comical, its plain ignorant. How do you expect someone to respect your opinion if you are dismissing the details that make their profession extremely different than yours? And before you try to argue that you havent dismissed it, you have. By giving your opinion about that single statement you seem to think that dealing with people and addressing potential threats is what the two have in common and that all there is. If that were the case, then why isn't there a wall in DC with the names of cow salesmen who died in the coarse of their duties? Now I could be fairly ignorant and dismiss the dangers you may have to face, or comment on the methods you use to manage your buisness, but I am not gonna do that. Its out of line. Doesnt matter what line fo work you do. Minimal similarities are all they may share, but that doesnt give me the right to relate to it, and try to talk down on something that I know nothing about. I could, but then I would lose respect in myself for doing that.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
One point that I think most of us (myself included) are forgetting is that making people happy is not a necessity for earning respect.... The majority of people can respect someone's thoughts and actions without agreeing with them. Some of us arrogant assholes are lost causes though
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The parallels you are trying to illustrate are thin and vague. I will admit, what I wrote was a little hard to follow, I was tired, no excuse. I understand, all careers share a commonality. But those commonalities are few and far between. Sure you deal with people, so does a cop, a baker, a used car salesmen and a lawyer. Aside from the common factors that they all go to work, make money, and deal with people, there really isnt anything else in common with one another.
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Those common factors are all that I made reference to.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Here is a question. Someone in the field of LE wants to tell someone who sells cows how they should do their job. Even though I know nothing about selling cows "thats how I think it should be done." I am willing to bet that I would be told my lack of experience makes me the least qualified to give advice, and any opinion I have has very little bearing due to my lack of understanding of the job. Would you agree?
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You are viewing the job as a whole. In that light, they are very different and I would agree. However, if you break the two professions down into certain aspects, there are many commonalities. One aspect is social involvement. Interaction with the general public is a fairly common experience for a great number of professions. For most professions, positive interactions yield a higher financial profit. This is not true for LEO's, but money isn't what this thread is about. A LEO's positive interaction with the public will earn him/her a greater amount of respect. That is a universal concept that can be applied, even to those without jobs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I hope this is a little more clearer. Because when you refer to a LEO stating "you need a badge to understand" as whining, and find it comical, its plain ignorant. How do you expect someone to respect your opinion if you are dismissing the details that make their profession extremely different than yours? </div></div>
I'm not the one that is looking to gain respect, so I don't expect to gain it. I dismissed those details, because their differences do not change the laws of social behavior. There is no doubt that it is harder for LEO's to gain respect from the public. That will not change the fact that LEO's will have to comply with social laws to gain respect.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And before you try to argue that you havent dismissed it, you have. By giving your opinion about that single statement you seem to think that dealing with people and addressing potential threats is what the two have in common and that all there is. </div></div>
My end of it is a simplistic version of the LEO end. Cows are far easier to please than people. I'm not saying that one is just as easy as the other. I'm saying that when broken down to its most basic form, the results will be the same, when the same variables are combined.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If that were the case, then why isn't there a wall in DC with the names of cow salesmen who died in the coarse of their duties? </div></div>
Really? You are inferring far more than I have provided, if you think that is an appropriate response to anything I've said.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Now I could be fairly ignorant and dismiss the dangers you may have to face, or comment on the methods you use to manage your buisness, but I am not gonna do that. Its out of line. Doesnt matter what line fo work you do.
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Your construction of this statement seems to imply that I've done so. Feel free to cite such an instance. I'll wait.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Minimal similarities are all they may share, but that doesnt give me the right to relate to it....</div></div>
If you have something in common with a subject, you can relate to it. You either do or don't relate to something, it is not an active action that can be decided by constitutional or universal rights.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
and try to talk down on something that I know nothing about. I could, but then I would lose respect in myself for doing that.</div></div>
Definitely don't do that. The public will not respect anyone that doesn't have any self-respect.
Since you have taken a notion to subtle references comparing the dangers of the two jobs, please run an interwebs search on "most dangerous jobs in America". While doing that, keep in mind that I have made no such comparison.
One point that I think most of us (myself included) are forgetting is that making people happy is not a necessity for earning respect.... The majority of people can respect someone's thoughts and actions without agreeing with them. Some of us arrogant assholes are lost causes though
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The parallels you are trying to illustrate are thin and vague. I will admit, what I wrote was a little hard to follow, I was tired, no excuse. I understand, all careers share a commonality. But those commonalities are few and far between. Sure you deal with people, so does a cop, a baker, a used car salesmen and a lawyer. Aside from the common factors that they all go to work, make money, and deal with people, there really isnt anything else in common with one another.
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Those common factors are all that I made reference to.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Here is a question. Someone in the field of LE wants to tell someone who sells cows how they should do their job. Even though I know nothing about selling cows "thats how I think it should be done." I am willing to bet that I would be told my lack of experience makes me the least qualified to give advice, and any opinion I have has very little bearing due to my lack of understanding of the job. Would you agree?
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You are viewing the job as a whole. In that light, they are very different and I would agree. However, if you break the two professions down into certain aspects, there are many commonalities. One aspect is social involvement. Interaction with the general public is a fairly common experience for a great number of professions. For most professions, positive interactions yield a higher financial profit. This is not true for LEO's, but money isn't what this thread is about. A LEO's positive interaction with the public will earn him/her a greater amount of respect. That is a universal concept that can be applied, even to those without jobs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I hope this is a little more clearer. Because when you refer to a LEO stating "you need a badge to understand" as whining, and find it comical, its plain ignorant. How do you expect someone to respect your opinion if you are dismissing the details that make their profession extremely different than yours? </div></div>
I'm not the one that is looking to gain respect, so I don't expect to gain it. I dismissed those details, because their differences do not change the laws of social behavior. There is no doubt that it is harder for LEO's to gain respect from the public. That will not change the fact that LEO's will have to comply with social laws to gain respect.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And before you try to argue that you havent dismissed it, you have. By giving your opinion about that single statement you seem to think that dealing with people and addressing potential threats is what the two have in common and that all there is. </div></div>
My end of it is a simplistic version of the LEO end. Cows are far easier to please than people. I'm not saying that one is just as easy as the other. I'm saying that when broken down to its most basic form, the results will be the same, when the same variables are combined.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If that were the case, then why isn't there a wall in DC with the names of cow salesmen who died in the coarse of their duties? </div></div>
Really? You are inferring far more than I have provided, if you think that is an appropriate response to anything I've said.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Now I could be fairly ignorant and dismiss the dangers you may have to face, or comment on the methods you use to manage your buisness, but I am not gonna do that. Its out of line. Doesnt matter what line fo work you do.
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Your construction of this statement seems to imply that I've done so. Feel free to cite such an instance. I'll wait.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Minimal similarities are all they may share, but that doesnt give me the right to relate to it....</div></div>
If you have something in common with a subject, you can relate to it. You either do or don't relate to something, it is not an active action that can be decided by constitutional or universal rights.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
and try to talk down on something that I know nothing about. I could, but then I would lose respect in myself for doing that.</div></div>
Definitely don't do that. The public will not respect anyone that doesn't have any self-respect.
Since you have taken a notion to subtle references comparing the dangers of the two jobs, please run an interwebs search on "most dangerous jobs in America". While doing that, keep in mind that I have made no such comparison.
Re: Law enforcement disrespect
Have you ever had to fight a cow that had been snorting coke or smoking crack all day?
Or a cow that just beat the shit out of his old lady, the old lady then refuses to press charges and tells everyone that the cops won't do anything?
Going out and finding a dead 15 month old cow is probably a little different than going to a call in reference to an unresponsive 15 month old baby.
Yeah, you're probably right.
Cows and people are the same.
Have you ever had to fight a cow that had been snorting coke or smoking crack all day?
Or a cow that just beat the shit out of his old lady, the old lady then refuses to press charges and tells everyone that the cops won't do anything?
Going out and finding a dead 15 month old cow is probably a little different than going to a call in reference to an unresponsive 15 month old baby.
Yeah, you're probably right.
Cows and people are the same.
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