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Leica Rangemaster CRF 2700-B
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Nothing yet, hoping he is just on holiday and will get back to me this week...we'll see....
Yeah, it has a slot which takes an SD card, just like on the binos. It appears to have some limitations in comparison the the Sig 2400, but it has some advantages too. I did hear back from Leica, was supposed to get a final answer yesterday, but nothing yet. But I hope to get one in my hands. I am working on a review of the Kestrel Elite, would like to do it in concert with the 2700, and possibly get a 2400 on loan to compare. We'll see.
Well, met with a couple of great people from Leica today at DSC, and I am supposed to contact then next week to do the processing on a replacement for my 1600b. Hopefully, all will go well and I can update later in the month. I also had a good sit down with some technical reps for Sig, and we spent a fair amount of time going over the 2400, how it functions and some of the design/function ideas behind it's feature set. I was not able to score one on loan to review, but I did spend a good amount of time with it, and made a good contact at Sig for additional information and learnings, So hope to add that into the mix once I get stuff with Leica sorted. You were interested in how they handle warranty issues, the answer is it's still unresolved, but we are moving in the right direction at this point.
I wish I could, but after being promised a unit in exchange for my faulty one,' just call on Wednesday they said'...suddenly no answer to emails or phone calls and messages. In fairness, they are preparing to go to SHOT, but I am pretty sure a quick returned call or email could be fit in. I'm still not giving up on them yet, but I will be honest about my experience, positive or negative. With the complexities of modern electronics, reliable customer service is very very important. See how many people have turned their backs on other high end RF's because of their reputation for abysmal CS. These companies need to see it as intrinsic to their product in today's connected world because that complaint is hard to erase once it is out there on the web. I'll update as I hear more, but I am rapidly becoming concerned that promises will not be kept, but still keeping an open mind here.
Update: Leica called me back this morning, and are having me send in my RF for exchange. So looks like they are moving forward. I'll update more when I receive it so you can see how they handle problems, and will eventually also have a review up on the 2700 in concert with the Kestrel Elite. Hopefully!
I have my new 2700-b side by side with a 1600 and it measures identical. So I would say yes
I also learned FYI you can download a custom curve from the Leica ballistic app available online. It’s for the geovid Binos but as I suspected the format is compatible with the 2700b. I haven’t had a lot of time but so far it stacks up pretty well with the AE Ballistic app I use.
The rangefinder itself is good in its own right. 2500 on anything flat and 1000-1500 on trees easily. Like I said I only have a couple hours with it so.... jury’s out. I will say I’ve hit buildings at 2400-2600 with reliable repeatability.
My expectations on the ballistic calculator were very low after reading. But now that I have found you can make a more accurate file to use it’s really pretty good. Biggest downside is it’s capped off at 1000 yards. Although I don’t think I’d trust it past that, but it would be nice to test. It could be great hunting inside 800.
The rangefinder itself is good in its own right. 2500 on anything flat and 1000-1500 on trees easily. Like I said I only have a couple hours with it so.... jury’s out. I will say I’ve hit buildings at 2400-2600 with reliable repeatability.
My expectations on the ballistic calculator were very low after reading. But now that I have found you can make a more accurate file to use it’s really pretty good. Biggest downside is it’s capped off at 1000 yards. Although I don’t think I’d trust it past that, but it would be nice to test. It could be great hunting inside 800.
UPS just dropped a small box at my door this afternoon. True to their word, Leica shipped me the 2700 we discussed. Someone asked me to report back about their service. It did take a bit as we ran into Christmas and various shows, so I had some doubts, but in the end, they took care of me above and beyond what I was entitled to, no question.
I heard that they have massively increased their customer service staff in the US last year and plans for more this year, as they recognize the need. I can tell you talking to my contact and his boss who runs their sport optics division here, they want to take care of their customers.
As to the finder, I have to drive a distance to get more than a few hundred yard line of sight, so nothing interesting to report other than the reticle is definitely an improvement. I'll do a little testing hopefully this weekend. And then in a week or two really get a chance to wring it out at a friends ranch. But as mentioned, the major improvements over the 1600 and 2000 is the ability to input a custom curve into the RF, in the same manner as you can on the RF binos.
They even include in the box a micro SD card and an SD card adapter for you to get this done on Leica's online app, which has some limitations.
I'm doing a review on this RF along with the Kestrel Elite as a complete shooting solution, hope to use the process of setting this up for myself the first time as an example of how the solution works. Hoping to also get a 2400 to compare to them in terms of workflows etc. as well, it being a major competitor as a complete solution. So far in using them both in a limited fashion, they both have some strengths and some weaknesses, but need some more time with them to really sort out the differences.
But overall, as far as CS is concerned, I can say that Leica definitely stepped up in my case and took care of me. If this kind of service is uniform, I would say they have undoubtedly accomplished their goal of upping their CS levels to top tier.
HTH!
I heard that they have massively increased their customer service staff in the US last year and plans for more this year, as they recognize the need. I can tell you talking to my contact and his boss who runs their sport optics division here, they want to take care of their customers.
As to the finder, I have to drive a distance to get more than a few hundred yard line of sight, so nothing interesting to report other than the reticle is definitely an improvement. I'll do a little testing hopefully this weekend. And then in a week or two really get a chance to wring it out at a friends ranch. But as mentioned, the major improvements over the 1600 and 2000 is the ability to input a custom curve into the RF, in the same manner as you can on the RF binos.
They even include in the box a micro SD card and an SD card adapter for you to get this done on Leica's online app, which has some limitations.
I'm doing a review on this RF along with the Kestrel Elite as a complete shooting solution, hope to use the process of setting this up for myself the first time as an example of how the solution works. Hoping to also get a 2400 to compare to them in terms of workflows etc. as well, it being a major competitor as a complete solution. So far in using them both in a limited fashion, they both have some strengths and some weaknesses, but need some more time with them to really sort out the differences.
But overall, as far as CS is concerned, I can say that Leica definitely stepped up in my case and took care of me. If this kind of service is uniform, I would say they have undoubtedly accomplished their goal of upping their CS levels to top tier.
HTH!
Got the 2700 out briefly today, pulled over by the side of the road, basically in a suburb that had a longer green space view across some hills. It was a sunny and very hazy day, probably due to the city traffic, but I was still able to hit juniper trees at 2589 handheld on a ridge. Don't know if it will go further as the next ridge was probably a really good distance away. Hoping to find a spot with targets close enough to eachother so I can really see how far it will go. But so far so good, as hazy as it was and under full sun, looking good so far.
One other thing, I worked with Leica's ballistic profile builder a bit today. Basically entered in the ballistics for one of my older loads to see how that would compare with the same load out of my Kestrel Elite. I set the Kestrel's target direction so that coriolis and aero jump would be 0 to make the comparison more valid. Long story short, even being limited to using G1 bc's (verses actual drag measurements with the Kestrel), the drops were within .1 MOA all the way out to 950, which was as far as the charts on Leica's site went. I then tweaked the bc a tiny bit, and got the max discrepancy down to .05 MOA, with the peak divergence being at about 700 yards. At 950, they were dead on together. I only played with it a bit, but I suspect if I tweaked the velocity a bit instead of the BC, I might get even closer, but this was just a quick run at it to see how they would agree, not that I need it anyway. Point is, they were closer than I expected, I am surprised and pleased about the initial indications and how this is going to work for me.
Still have tons of testing to do, particularly in the area of how the atmospherics agree, but indications are looking good so far in terms of ranging and the accuracy of the basic curve from Leica's software.
One other thing, I worked with Leica's ballistic profile builder a bit today. Basically entered in the ballistics for one of my older loads to see how that would compare with the same load out of my Kestrel Elite. I set the Kestrel's target direction so that coriolis and aero jump would be 0 to make the comparison more valid. Long story short, even being limited to using G1 bc's (verses actual drag measurements with the Kestrel), the drops were within .1 MOA all the way out to 950, which was as far as the charts on Leica's site went. I then tweaked the bc a tiny bit, and got the max discrepancy down to .05 MOA, with the peak divergence being at about 700 yards. At 950, they were dead on together. I only played with it a bit, but I suspect if I tweaked the velocity a bit instead of the BC, I might get even closer, but this was just a quick run at it to see how they would agree, not that I need it anyway. Point is, they were closer than I expected, I am surprised and pleased about the initial indications and how this is going to work for me.
Still have tons of testing to do, particularly in the area of how the atmospherics agree, but indications are looking good so far in terms of ranging and the accuracy of the basic curve from Leica's software.
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This was my experience as well. I'm excited to see how well the live in rangefinder temp/pressure/altitude and Angle will play out in the field. Can't wait to get out for a day of long range steel and see how it works as some of those factors change throughout a day. For example last time i was out I had 13.7mils to 1400 yards later in the day It took 13.2 same target same firing position. But weather had changed (I also attribute some of that to my RL19 powder temp. temp up=velocity up) but none the less... The more variables I can get automatically corrected for the better. I'm excited to see how good it can be.
Observations-
1 you can only have one file on a card at a time or you'll get an error
2 also those files can't be named "drop(1).hex" or "RL19ELD147.hex" they have to be "drop.hex"
3 You can/should have a separate card for each curve (or load) and swap back and forth. You don't have to go through any settings or menues when switching cards/curves, and the finder will reference the current inserted card for a solution. Just have to have an extra card for each load. VERY HANDY and Limited only by the number of cards you want to carry. They're pretty light
This was my experience as well. I'm excited to see how well the live in rangefinder temp/pressure/altitude and Angle will play out in the field. Can't wait to get out for a day of long range steel and see how it works as some of those factors change throughout a day. For example last time i was out I had 13.7mils to 1400 yards later in the day It took 13.2 same target same firing position. But weather had changed (I also attribute some of that to my RL19 powder temp. temp up=velocity up) but none the less... The more variables I can get automatically corrected for the better. I'm excited to see how good it can be.
Observations-
1 you can only have one file on a card at a time or you'll get an error
2 also those files can't be named "drop(1).hex" or "RL19ELD147.hex" they have to be "drop.hex"
3 You can/should have a separate card for each curve (or load) and swap back and forth. You don't have to go through any settings or menues when switching cards/curves, and the finder will reference the current inserted card for a solution. Just have to have an extra card for each load. VERY HANDY and Limited only by the number of cards you want to carry. They're pretty light
Yeah, I too am looking forward to getting out to play with it to verify, but so far, I have been checking it's atmospherics against my Kestrel, and they have tracked pretty much dead on (plus or minus a decimal point or less in pressure, temp being the same). Consequently, the drops referenced on my curve from the Leica have been pretty much dead on with the range card on the Kestrel. Lots more to do, but pretty happy so far.
As to the multiple curves, this is one thing I like better about the Sig 2400. It stores 3, as I remember, in the RF, and you can switch to them somewhat easily. I say somewhat, because it is still a fiddly menu/button system, but less so then pulling out cards repeatedly.
I still have not thought through how I'll work with my son and his gear yet. He has a sig 850 that he can use for himself, but when we are hunting, I'm ranging for him, and he has outgrown the 850 in terms of his capabilities (it rarely ranges trees anywhere close to 850, let alone animals). So if I use the 2700, I'll have to figure it out, as our curves are pretty different IIRC. I can always input raw distance and angle into the kestrel, where i have a profile made for him. It's kinda slow, but the only times we would need to do that would be on very long shots where we would have plenty of time, I think. We'll see, but this is the kind of thing I am trying to work through and see how to work with this solution (2700 with Kestrel Elite), vs the Sig solution (2400 with phone).
I'm assuming that with the ballistics loaded, it will give both range and drop? does it work in mils or just MOA?
how is it on smaller steel targets in the 600-1000 range? will it range 1 MOA targets at the distance easily? how is the scan mode?
how does the LRF compare to the bino models (leica, swaro, and the new zeiss - if anyone knows)
anyone have the laser beam specs for all of those binos and the sig2400?
how is it on smaller steel targets in the 600-1000 range? will it range 1 MOA targets at the distance easily? how is the scan mode?
how does the LRF compare to the bino models (leica, swaro, and the new zeiss - if anyone knows)
anyone have the laser beam specs for all of those binos and the sig2400?
Most of these I cannot answer yet, as I just got mine, but I'll answer as I can:
With ballistics loaded, it will always give you the line of site range, and then it will output either an effective horizontal range, holdover amount, or one of the following:
MOA
number of 1/4 MOA clicks
number of 1/3 MOA clicks
number of 10mm increments
number of 5mm increments
Cannot say on steel targets yet. Hope to get out to a ranch in the next 2 weeks to test on steel out to 1150, but many of those plates are more than 1 MOA. With my 1600, I was able to hit electric wires at 300 plus yards on occasion, but coulda been luck and was not something I tried very often.
Same on scan mode, I don't use it much, hardly used it on my 1600 either. I understand the 2700 scan is faster than on the 1600, but I don't know yet.
Beam on the 2700 is about 1/2 the size it is on the 2400. 2400 1.3 mil round. The 2700 is .5 x 1.2. IIRC, it is wider than longer, but not sure on that. I don't know what the divergence is on the binos, but it's probably on their sites. My guess would be Leica's will be the same, Zeiss are traditionally bigger, but who knows on the new Zeiss that just came out.
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I got out to shoot steel last week and used the rangefinder some more. I can say it ranges cows to 1300yds 100%. Cows at 1400-1600 were a little tougher but some did hit. Steel 24x30 target at 1700 was now problem. Barn at 2500 was also no problem even with slight hand shake. Tree and grass were no problem to a mile (1760 yds) So far I'm very happy with it.
Used a friends unit the other day , impressed to get a return off
tree canopy 1650 away . My Kilo 2200 won’t give a return
in the same location . Got a return at 2550 off 22 inch round
steel with the assistance of some reflective tape , impressed
with the glass . Intending to pass the Kilo on and invest the $
in a 2700 .
tree canopy 1650 away . My Kilo 2200 won’t give a return
in the same location . Got a return at 2550 off 22 inch round
steel with the assistance of some reflective tape , impressed
with the glass . Intending to pass the Kilo on and invest the $
in a 2700 .
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Got out again this weekend for just a few minutes with my RF. We climbed to a popular observation spot in the city and I did a little ranging. Conditions were not good....noon day absolutely full sun. In addition, I was effectively in the middle of the city, so there is a ton of haze. Once I got my heart rate from the climb down, I was able to pretty easily hit trees out to 2400. The longest hit of the day was a pair of palm trees at 2759. I was not able to do that more than a couple times....I just could not get still from where I was sitting so it was pretty hard. I'd really like to put this on a tripod, but don't want to pay for the mount as I would never otherwise use it, so am trying to figure out a temporary and free solution. But so far, I have been pretty impressed. I hope to get out to a ranch on Friday where I might be able to wring it out further if I can figure out a tripod solution. I am just not steady enough.
Curious to know how folks with the 2400 are doing on trees etc. Hoping to score a loaner to test, but no luck so far.
Curious to know how folks with the 2400 are doing on trees etc. Hoping to score a loaner to test, but no luck so far.
The 2400 AB seems to perform much better than my 2200 . I’ve
hit tree trunks ( not canopy ) at just over 1900 with the 2400 AB
and well over 3000 off buildings .
EDIT ; the 2200 and 2400 have different lasers apparently .
hit tree trunks ( not canopy ) at just over 1900 with the 2400 AB
and well over 3000 off buildings .
EDIT ; the 2200 and 2400 have different lasers apparently .
I just got my 2700b today and set it up for the EHR. In the directions it says there will be an additional EHR reading, but mine only shows the distance. Do any of you guys that have used them for awhile seen an EHR reading for elevated shots? I have the ball setting set to off and the abc setting set to EHR. Thanks
Update I found you have to have one of the ball settings picked. It won't give EHR without it.
Update I found you have to have one of the ball settings picked. It won't give EHR without it.
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That's correct, without a curve, it can't calculate the EHR because it takes all things into consideration. You can use one of the generic curves, but I would not recommend it. Best thing to do is use the supplied card and go to their site and load up a custom curve, set your site in distance and you should be good.
FYI, so far with mine, I am hitting tree canopies at well over 2700. Did a little testing yesterday on some steel and so far, pretty good!
I was going to buy either the 1600b or the 2000b but this new one seems to do the deed, It's got me beggared why they make an LRF that goes out to 2700y and beyond yet the ballistics only go out to 1k, This is a good reason to stay with my ole faithful Conx because although it does not range as far with the ballistic with the Elite will go out as far as it can see, Leica make some beautiful gear but then they put the brakes on and stuff it up, I wish these companies would just stop messing around, because if a person owns a Cheytac or a 107 etc then they still have to carry all the other stuff to make the shot or buy a vectronix.
John.
John.
^^ Getting accurate solutions at 2700 is generally not successful
for simple solvers . At the price point it’s pretty good even with no
solver included . Most guys shooting ELR ( successfully ) are often
runnning more than one solver , and are shooting beyond double
the effective useful range of the Conx .
for simple solvers . At the price point it’s pretty good even with no
solver included . Most guys shooting ELR ( successfully ) are often
runnning more than one solver , and are shooting beyond double
the effective useful range of the Conx .
Yeah going out to 1500-1600 the Conx works fine, I don't know anyone who would want to shoot 3200 yards, I want one that goes out long ways that will give LOS and Degrees and Horizontal distance and the rest I can work out,
John.
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I got mine about a month ago, the furthest reading I got on a deer is 1487m, bright sunny winter day -7c (rangefinder on tripod) So far from what I have seen it's pretty much on par with the Terrapin. I have not played with the ballistic program and do not intend on using it...
Congrats, it sounds like a winner to me, that's awesome ranging on a deer by any standards.
Placed an order at Midway today. I don’t plan on using the ballistics capability as I have a Kestral programmed for my Rifles. I just need to be able to Range the distance. I have a 15 year old LRF800 that has served me well for archery. I will pass that to my son for hunting as he rarely will be shooting past 400 yards. I have a vacation at the end of the month and hope to play with it while I try to poke a pig. More to come. The positive comments here kept me from blowing cash on a more expensive option. Thanks for all the knowledge shared.
Hmm thats not that much better than I can consistently get with my 1600B...maybe the 2700B isn't worth the upgrade for me after all.
I've had mine out and tested vs what I usto get with my 1600b. I could not find any animals much past 1k since I got my 2700b, so can't comment there. It hit them easily to about 1100, but my 1600b would hit that distance as well on cows. I will say the cows I hit with the 1600 were probably 1250 or a little more, and it was not every time that I got a return and they were broadside and mostly white. The ones I found with the 2700 were facing towards me (so much smaller target), were black as opposed to white or brown, and it ranged them super easily every time, no problem at all.
Handheld, but leaning against shooting sticks or against a table, I was able to hit foliage on trees to about 2760. Could it go further? I don't know, that was all I had for targets. I suspect that if I had a tripod mount, and a good set of trees, it would because I had a really hard time being steady at that distance and still was able to get readings.
I hit telephone poles at 850, so MOAish targets but that's not much of a test. 2MOA targets out to our max distance we had available, 1123. Hit that with ease every time. Plates were red and yellow, no reflective tape etc.
While my 1600b was good at ranging, the 2700b has been a significant step up in my opinion. It ranges a whole lot further, it scans faster, but most of all, where my 1600b was reaching the limits of it's ranging capabilities, and therefore struggled, the 2700b does so without any stress at all. Ranging trees at 1700 is absolutely effortless under bright full sun and thick city haze, where with my 1600b, the conditions had to be really good to pull that off. Never tried it on a tripod, maybe it would go further, but I don't have a mount for the 2700 either.
What that means for me is that under not ideal conditions, very bright light, heavy haze etc.....ranging out to a mile and more on tree foliage has been ridiculously easily done, where my 1600b would fail under those conditions.
Depending on how you use your RF, ie...do you use the ballistics functions.....another huge upgrade might be the ability to use a custom curve. Because even if you are only ranging to, say 800 yards, if you are using the generic curves, they are sometimes not sufficient. Being able to use a custom curve for your load cleans up the accuracy in the ballistic returns, and also expands the distance where it will give you dope information (1000 yards with the card, 875 without it).
Of course, if you don't use the RF for anything other than raw data that you input into another solver, this is obviously not important. However, I will say, my 1600b was a good unit ranging wise, but my 2700b is doubtless better, especially useful under challenging conditions. Significantly, surer, faster, farther, at least in my experience so far.
HTH.
I just picked one up. Replaced my Vortex Ranger 1500. Holdover corrections and Mil clicks seem pretty consistent with my Kestrel. I've been ranging all day on reflective surfaces at 1700 yds. My vortex wouldn't hit 800 reliably. Haven't seen 2700 out of it yet. But it's hard to spend all the time on your new toy when you other new toy was a Kahles.
My biggest downfall with it is when you add your custom ballistic curve, you only can add one per memory card. Pointless in my opinion. This should have been considered in the development.
I see what you mean, that means carrying a few memory cards and a wallet to keep em in.
What I've done is look for the closest programmed ballistic curve for the cartridge that i'm using and have them written down. That way if I have a buddy shooting a 6.5cm and I'm on my .308, I can get pretty close. Regardless this is where the kestrel is badass. I can store as many profiles that my heart desires. Plus anyway you aren't going to get ballistic corrections over 1000yd with the leica anyways. We typically are looking for going past that yardage anyways. Solid tool though. Good glass.
Sounds like a plan, If I am shooting with a buddy I have my data loaded in to the Conx and his data loaded in to my App then all I have to do is add the distance and the Angle to the App then I get the data for both rifles,
Your right about the Kestrel, and Brian Litz has truly mastered the AP setup.
congrats on your new toys Awesome gear indeed.
John.
Yeah, I have a Kestrel Elite as well. The data from the Leica tracks pretty close to the Kestrel with the exception of when Aero jump and Coriolis change elevation holds. Past a certain point, I think I want to pull from the Kestrel to allow for these variables, as well as spin drift etc.
But yeah, I wish Leica allowed more than one profile on the RF like the Sig does. I do have all my profiles on my Kestrel, so its not that big a deal. Especially since when I am hunting with my son, only one of us is shooting at the time, so the other is ranging etc....so it's not really that big a deal to swap out cards if we want to use just the RF and not the Kestrel for drops etc....But still, it would be nice to be able to switch profiles without swapping cards.
But yeah, I wish Leica allowed more than one profile on the RF like the Sig does. I do have all my profiles on my Kestrel, so its not that big a deal. Especially since when I am hunting with my son, only one of us is shooting at the time, so the other is ranging etc....so it's not really that big a deal to swap out cards if we want to use just the RF and not the Kestrel for drops etc....But still, it would be nice to be able to switch profiles without swapping cards.
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Thanks for the heads up!! Sounds like an improvement overall! Thanks for the info sir! I have no intentions of using the ballistic app stuff in the RF itself. In fact I wish more would do like Nikon did on that approach. I wonder what the 2700B if Leica offered a model that didn't have that stuff in it and just had a range finder that spit out raw data to enter into a kestrel and/or a phone app.
You can do that on the 2700b, or the 1600b for that matter. Just turn set 'ball' to no IIRC. Range, and you will get line of site distance. Then hit the red button and it will tell you temp, pressure and angle for you to enter into your solver. If you are running a Kestrel or whatever, the only one you need other than distance is the angle.
If you buy an R series RF, of which the 1600R is the longest ranger in that series at the moment, then you have a choice of LOS or angle modified range...and you can always hit the red button to get angle, but no temp or pressure.
I originally thought using an angle modified range would be the way to go, so thought maybe an R series with the Kestrel would be better. But then learned you need to enter the LOS range in order to get proper windage holds, no matter the angle. That is, if my LOS range is lets say 875 yards, and I am shooting at a steep angle such that the angle modified range is 800 yards....my elevation hold has to be modified for the angle of the shot so my shoot to will be based on an 800 yard range, but my windage hold must not be in order to be accurate, so the shoot too for that will be based on the LOS of 875. So I figured it's just best to stick with the LOS, put it and the angle in the Kestrel and let it do it's thing, unless distances are so short that the onboard ballistics are good enough.
I know I can opt to not have the ballstic stuff display in it. I am saying I wish they wouldn't put it in there as an option at all or atleast let the consumer decide if they want the built in calculator in the RF as a premium. For some they like it, for those of us that don't want to pay for a part of the unit that we won't use it would be cool to not have to pay for something we will end up turning off anyways, but still want the pressure, and temp and angle.
Oh well first world problems for sure.
I really appreciate all your insight.
The reason the ballistic stuff is in there is because it is about having a backup plan and the more options you have the less impact it will have when one or more gadgets fail, I worked out that I have 4 main options with a total 6 or 7+ choices on how I go about it, the difference is being able to shoot or packing up and going home,I know I can opt to not have the ballstic stuff display in it. I am saying I wish they wouldn't put it in there as an option at all or atleast let the consumer decide if they want the built in calculator in the RF as a premium. For some they like it, for those of us that don't want to pay for a part of the unit that we won't use it would be cool to not have to pay for something we will end up turning off anyways, but still want the pressure, and temp and angle.
Oh well first world problems for sure.
I really appreciate all your insight.
This has been proven to me a couple of weeks ago when my new phone just died that has my Conx App and a few others in it, But because I had loaded the data in to my LRF I have still been able to shoot and being able to cross check my data with hard copies, But I also use the RF where I just get the LOS and the Angle where I can double check with the Scope and MilDot Master and the Slope Doper.
john.
Yeah, they have the R series but don't offer that on their top distance RF's. I wish they would release every version....one as an R series, one as a B series for those that want that. Then we would have a 2700R available, which would be cool.
Actually, what I wish they would do is offer one that does not have built in ballistics but bluetooths directly to a Kestrel....basically exactly what the new Vectronix is supposed to do. One step futher would be to have the Kestrel feed it right back into the RF and just give elevation and windage right in the screen, kinda like the 2400 which has it onboard, but pairing with a kestrel so you get a good wind solution from a Kestrel.
I suspect we are going to see this coming about more and more. Vectronix is almost all the way there, Sig is too, Bushnell took a swing at it also. But for what I want, no one has hit it out of the park just yet. As I told an engineer at Sig, each player has left just a little on the table where they could have slammed the door shut.
Actually, what I wish they would do is offer one that does not have built in ballistics but bluetooths directly to a Kestrel....basically exactly what the new Vectronix is supposed to do. One step futher would be to have the Kestrel feed it right back into the RF and just give elevation and windage right in the screen, kinda like the 2400 which has it onboard, but pairing with a kestrel so you get a good wind solution from a Kestrel.
I suspect we are going to see this coming about more and more. Vectronix is almost all the way there, Sig is too, Bushnell took a swing at it also. But for what I want, no one has hit it out of the park just yet. As I told an engineer at Sig, each player has left just a little on the table where they could have slammed the door shut.
Well Bushnell started this BT thing and the end result was a package that can turn a novice in to a pro out to a mile.
Leica on the other hand has always gone their own way which is a good thing because the quality of the optics and accuracy has been their bench mark for a long time,
No matter what the brand these companies still don't listen to what people want in an LRF and we end up with what they think we want.
Leica on the other hand has always gone their own way which is a good thing because the quality of the optics and accuracy has been their bench mark for a long time,
No matter what the brand these companies still don't listen to what people want in an LRF and we end up with what they think we want.
That's a Bugga, I wonder why they would do such a thing, The need to recall them all and fix that, even El Cheapo's give you that as an option, seems like they are destroying their sales targets right from the start.
I could not believe MOA only when I did my research. I bought it anyway because I need the range, not the ballistics. I plan on using my Kestral and only wanted Range and incline. The ballistics is limited to 1000, another deal killer for many. I wanted a Leica because of the experience I have had with ALL of the Leica products purchased in the past. My 14 year old Leica rangefinder still works fine will be given to my son when the 2700 is delivered tomorrow.
I was reading a thread over on LRH and it seems that quite a few people there have had issues with leica's CS so just be careful folks,
John.
John.
incorrect. i use mine in mils. Set it up select 10mm and that will diplay the drop in mils. Ex. "58" is 5.8 mils or 58x.1mil clicks.
Excellent. I don’t have mine yet but I read the instructions on line and it was not clear at all. Sure seemed like a HUGE oversite. I am so glad that there are really smart and experienced shooters on SH.
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