Rifle Scopes Leupold Mk 8 vs NF 7-35 ATACR

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Getting ready to glass my new rifle and have a line on both of these scopes, new in box, for about the same price.

I have no experience with the ATACR line, and only have owned a Mk4 and Mk5.

Which would you go with??
 
Hi gconnoyer,

Assuming you are happy with both scopes in general for your intended use i.e. their base specs/the particular configuration of the two you are looking at (reticle, weight, power range etc.), then that is a no-brainer win for the ATACR 7-35 in my opinion. A great opportunity to branch out to NF as well.

If there are any particular considerations pushing you one way or the other please note those, but otherwise this should be a slam dunk.

Side note: In all honesty if I were looking at a 5-25 Leupold it would be the Mark 5 over the Mark 8 also. That isn't the case here (MK8 vs. ATACR 7-35), so that is another point towards the ATACR.

Good luck with your choice, both are certainly serviceable. Have a good one!

-TSean
 
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No nothing really swaying me either way, other than the wide usage of the ATACRs and not ever having seen a Mk8 in person.

I assume because retail on it is $4200+, but I dont want to automatically assume that makes it a better optic.

Thanks for the input. I'm definitely leaning toward the ATACR, but the Leupold is over $1000 off retail.
 
If you look, MK8s can be found considerably cheaper than the 7-35s. Generally speaking, $500-$1k less is a pretty safe bet.

I am not sure who would think a MK5 to be better than a MK8 (it’s actually not particularly close) but both certainly have their respective places in the precision/LR optics realm.
 
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I've had a number of L&S scopes Mk4 and Mk6 ... but not a Mk8 ... and I have a NF 7-35x T3.

The Mk6 I have first came with the M5B2 turrets ... I hated those ... and eventually got those upgraded to M5C2.

IIRC the Mk8 comes with the same M5B2 turrets. L&S upgraded the turrets in my Mk6 (from M5b2 to M5c2) at my request for $250. Well worth it if you have a mk8 with the M5B2 turrets.

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The m5b2 turrets ... it is really the elevation turret .. the windage turret is fine ... but the elevation turret is a "squeeze to turn" model. For me, as I mostly shoot at night and hence train myself to "never" look at the turrets, I was unable to accurately dial with the M5B2 turrets. The M5c2 turrets are more standard, like everyone else's turrets and I can dial with them fine.

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I've also had

Mk4 3-5-10x TMR with M3 turrets
Mk4 6.5-20x TMR with M5 turrets
Mk4 8.5-25x TMR with M1 turrets

All these are a little bit finnicky in terms of the turrets, with the M5 turrets being the least finnacky and the M3 being the most.

And the mk6 3-18x T3 ... the diopter adjustment is also tough ... just difficult to get it to move.

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Comparitively, the NF 7-35x t3 ... everything works ... nothing "almost" works ... everything works smoothly like it should. You don't think about the gear, you think about what you are doing.
And the 7-35x will parallax down to where I can dry fire with it in the house. Amazing!

So, if I had a choice between a NF and an L&S ... right now ... based on my experience ... I would choose the NF.
 
A Mark 8 is virtually impossible to sell on the used the market. I had one and the glass was phenomenal. Turrets were ass but precise.

Which turrets? M5B2 or M5C2? The M5B2s are total crap but the C2s are considerably better.

I do agree that they’re impossible to sell unless you’re taking a massive loss on them but they pop up for great deals every now and again if you’re a buyer.

Also OP, just to be clear, I believe the glass between the two is pretty much comparable. You do get the name recognition, better resale value, etc with NF but you’re also going to end up paying considerably more.
 
Awesome thanks for all the input guys.

I've thought about everything stated really, resale value and possibility being a huge part of it.
I just wanted to check here in case someone had a Mk8 and told me that I was a fucktard for passing up on a $3100 one and even thinking about the NF with price being about the same (I have a cert that I picked up off a prize table and was either going to pass on to someone else)
 
Which turrets? M5B2 or M5C2? The M5B2s are total crap but the C2s are considerably better.

I do agree that they’re impossible to sell unless you’re taking a massive loss on them but they pop up for great deals every now and again if you’re a buyer.

Also OP, just to be clear, I believe the glass between the two is pretty much comparable. You do get the name recognition, better resale value, etc with NF but you’re also going to end up paying considerably more.

I believe the M5B2

Awesome thanks for all the input guys.

I've thought about everything stated really, resale value and possibility being a huge part of it.
I just wanted to check here in case someone had a Mk8 and told me that I was a fucktard for passing up on a $3100 one and even thinking about the NF with price being about the same (I have a cert that I picked up off a prize table and was either going to pass on to someone else)

Yea $3100 is too much. $2500 and I'd risk it for an illuminated model...
 
If you look, MK8s can be found considerably cheaper than the 7-35s. Generally speaking, $500-$1k less is a pretty safe bet.

I am not sure who would think a MK5 to be better than a MK8 (it’s actually not particularly close) but both certainly have their respective places in the precision/LR optics realm.

Hi just browsing,

I take it the Mark 5 vs. Mark 8 bit is in response to my first comment about which Leupold 5-25 I would choose (to be crystal clear I don't especially care for either, but do prefer the Mark 5 between the 2 if forced based on my limited experience with both).

Genuinely curious to hear your notes on the 2 though since my time with both scopes was brief as they were both not the right choice for me after evaluation. It sounds like you have used both extensively though, so I would appreciate the rundown if you have the time!

To that end; what in your opinion makes the Mark 8 better than the Mark 5 (in the 5-25 Leupold range)? I found the layout, ergonomics, and turrets on the Mark 5 to be superior (vs. the M5C2 turrets on the Mark 8). The glass is a wash to my eye (and if I remember correctly to Leupolds specs/notes as well...correct me if wrong there though please). Further, I found the overall image comfort, eyebox and "apparent" field of view to be markedly better on the Mark 5, ergo it is more comfortable to be behind. The Mark 8 felt to me almost like the proverbial "looking through a straw", which is strange for a 56mm scope in my experience. Not so with the Mark 5. Also the price difference given the above notes becomes compelling. Again those are just my personal notes from essentially one day with each scope, but purely based on the layout/controls and glass/experience behind the scope it would be an easy choice for me.

Thanks just browsing! Have a good one!

-TSean

P.S. As a quick additional note to gconnoyer, and back to the main question of the thread, I still think that in your particular instance of both scopes available at the same price, it is a no brainer for the NF.
 
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The Nightforce ATACR 7-35 is one of the more popular scopes we carry, and many of the competitors we co-sponsor have had very good luck using them.
Solid tracking, extremely durable, probably the best glass that Nightforce has used and the Mil-C reticle with the floating center dot and broken down into .2 mrads has made it a very desirable scope this year.
 
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Went ahead and pulled the trigger on the NF.

Other than the difference in retail and sale price on the Mk8...I didnt see any reason to take a gamble when I could have the for sure thing.

Thanks for the input everyone! Should have it next week sometime so I'll mount it up and do a little comparison between that and my S&B.
 
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Hi just browsing,

I take it the Mark 5 vs. Mark 8 bit is in response to my first comment about which Leupold 5-25 I would choose (to be crystal clear I don't especially care for either, but do prefer the Mark 5 between the 2 if forced based on my limited experience with both).

Genuinely curious to hear your notes on the 2 though since my time with both scopes was brief as they were both not the right choice for me after evaluation. It sounds like you have used both extensively though, so I would appreciate the rundown if you have the time!

To that end; what in your opinion makes the Mark 8 better than the Mark 5 (in the 5-25 Leupold range)? I found the layout, ergonomics, and turrets on the Mark 5 to be superior (vs. the M5C2 turrets on the Mark 8). The glass is a wash to my eye (and if I remember correctly to Leupolds specs/notes as well...correct me if wrong there though please). Further, I found the overall image comfort, eyebox and "apparent" field of view to be markedly better on the Mark 5, ergo it is more comfortable to be behind. The Mark 8 felt to me almost like the proverbial "looking through a straw", which is strange for a 56mm scope in my experience. Not so with the Mark 5. Also the price difference given the above notes becomes compelling. Again those are just my personal notes from essentially one day with each scope, but purely based on the layout/controls and glass/experience behind the scope it would be an easy choice for me.

Thanks just browsing! Have a good one!

-TSean

P.S. As a quick additional note to gconnoyer, and back to the main question of the thread, I still think that in your particular instance of both scopes available at the same price, it is a no brainer for the NF.

Really just comes down to personal preference and specific eyes. Glass is so subjective that it’s really kinda pointless to discuss.

The MK5 that I spent time with was a 3.6-18x44 model. I feel that’s important to note as there has been some question as to whether they are the same optically as the 5-25 model (they are a good bit shorter and have a smaller objective lens). So maybe some of my opinion is skewed by the fact that I used the smaller model.

Regardless, the MK5 exhibited poor CA control whereas the MK8 did not. In high contrast conditions (bright targets against darker backgrounds), there was a discernible magenta hue/glow around the targets looking through the MK5... while some will argue how much of a difference CA really makes, it’s annoying to look at if nothing else.

Clarity and resolution wise I felt the MK8 was also considerably better as the MK5 had a tendency to wash out some of the contrast in bright conditions. This made target acquisition more difficult when fighting the sun, shadows, and mirage. I also found the focus/parallax settings much easier to set on the 8. Eye box and relief were about the same for me as I did not notice any real difference getting behind each scope. Ergonomics/controls/layout I won’t comment on as again, it’s very subjective.

Turrets and tracking I would call a wash as both optics performed very well. I did prefer the zero stop detent in the MK5 compared to the M5C2 turrets, but both had precise clicks devoid of any slop. Both were tactile and precise with good feel. Tracking-wise, I trusted both to do exactly as I told them to.

So while I am not saying the MK5 was “bad” by any means, it was a markedly lesser scope than the MK8 in my hands. Again, I think a lot of it comes down to preference, eyesight, etc. But with the price discrepancy between the two (really lack thereof based on what MK8s sell for on the secondary market), I believe the better value is the MK8.
 
Really just comes down to personal preference and specific eyes. Glass is so subjective that it’s really kinda pointless to discuss.

The MK5 that I spent time with was a 3.6-18x44 model. I feel that’s important to note as there has been some question as to whether they are the same optically as the 5-25 model (they are a good bit shorter and have a smaller objective lens). So maybe some of my opinion is skewed by the fact that I used the smaller model.

Regardless, the MK5 exhibited poor CA control whereas the MK8 did not. In high contrast conditions (bright targets against darker backgrounds), there was a discernible magenta hue/glow around the targets looking through the MK5... while some will argue how much of a difference CA really makes, it’s annoying to look at if nothing else.

Clarity and resolution wise I felt the MK8 was also considerably better as the MK5 had a tendency to wash out some of the contrast in bright conditions. This made target acquisition more difficult when fighting the sun, shadows, and mirage. I also found the focus/parallax settings much easier to set on the 8. Eye box and relief were about the same for me as I did not notice any real difference getting behind each scope. Ergonomics/controls/layout I won’t comment on as again, it’s very subjective.

Turrets and tracking I would call a wash as both optics performed very well. I did prefer the zero stop detent in the MK5 compared to the M5C2 turrets, but both had precise clicks devoid of any slop. Both were tactile and precise with good feel. Tracking-wise, I trusted both to do exactly as I told them to.

So while I am not saying the MK5 was “bad” by any means, it was a markedly lesser scope than the MK8 in my hands. Again, I think a lot of it comes down to preference, eyesight, etc. But with the price discrepancy between the two (really lack thereof based on what MK8s sell for on the secondary market), I believe the better value is the MK8.


Hi just browsing,

Thank you for the response. I would imagine some level of our different experiences could be attributed to the differences between the 3.5-18x44 Mark 5 and the 5-25x56 Mark 5 (not both apples to apples with the Mark 8 3.5-25x56).

As you note glass can be very much up to individual opinion/eyesight (beyond obvious leaps). To me the glass was indistinguishable between the 2 (resolving, overall image, low-light considerations etc.), except the Mark 8 did control CA better...more or less characterized as "none" for the Mark 8 and "some" on the Mark 5...though mostly induced when you did not have optimal head/eye position. Back to "none/slight" with perfect position. Points to the Mark 8 there though for sure.

So based on that and my feelings on turrets, power ring, illumination control etc., I would stomach the touch of inducible CA for the overall "better" ergonomics and turrets in the package (again if I had to choose between the 2 Leupolds only). It sounds like you would go the other way with the same criteria, and that makes perfect sense as it is somewhat subjective.

Thank you for clarifying (in particular that you were referencing the 3.5-18x44) and for the expanded input. Have a good one!

-TSean

P.S. Great choice gconnoyer. That NF is gonna treat you right!