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Adds a sleve to whatever barrel you supply so that it will work in a MWS upper.
I have a 16" that was cut down from 20". Not sure what specific setup you're looking for, but I can speak to my setup. Granted it's not "pure", with a non-LMT lower, but the part that achieves accuracy is all LMT. I an try to find some pics of range reports. My 16" is a solid MOA shooter. It's not as accurate as my 18" precision build though.Anyone have a range report, or word from the Brit's deployed with them?
Re: LMT .308 MWS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MidwestPX</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just picked mine and threw on all my gear. Will get some pictures up shortly.... Its a impressive piece of kit. The fitment is great, very tight. The overall machining is top notch but I have come to expect that from LMT. I will need some 10 round mags though. I can already tell when going prone this long mag will get annoying hitting the ground.
Standy by for pics. </div></div>
I make a 15rd LR20 that is shorter than the grip. Ask Market Garden about his experience with it as he was one of the testers of the prototype and used his in competitions. </div></div>
That would be great. Can you make them into 10 round mags or is that wishful thinking? I would be down to get a few of those 15 rounders for sure. They seem to be the ticket!
Thanks for the pics Market Garden </div></div>
The 10rd in the chopped down config is a little trickier. If I put a block inside the spring, it's short enough that it will bind up with the spring. If I make a mold that's the exact shape of the inside of the mag, it further compresses the spring to the point where an already-stiff spring may provide enough compression to cause problems with feeding. The other method would be attaching something to the follower but due to the design of the follower, that's pretty tough and less than robust.
Nice Setup,I have a 16" that was cut down from 20". Not sure what specific setup you're looking for, but I can speak to my setup. Granted it's not "pure", with a non-LMT lower, but the part that achieves accuracy is all LMT. I an try to find some pics of range reports. My 16" is a solid MOA shooter. It's not as accurate as my 18" precision build though.
What I really need to do is start reading post dates. Holy late to the dance batman.... I just realized I responded to a 2010 post. lol DOH!!!!
Yes, it is the MATEN ambi lower. The KAC lower also works. From the looks the LaRue Tactical OBR lower "might" work. I've read folks say it doesn't, but honestly, I read a lot of what turned out to be "internet lore" where guy were saying the Mega MATEN would not work. My rear takedown pin is a pure bitch to get in though, but it goes in, and there's no issue or damage there. I'll tell you that from a "will it shoot" perspective, my Aero Precision lower worked with the LMT upper. Yep, there was a gap. No I would not run that in any normal circumstance I can think of. What made me try it was thinking about all those worthless uppers and lowers that have had all the structural metal cut out. Skeletonized I think they call it. The BCG actioned without a single issue, so for the sake of science, I tried it. And it worked. Shot as well as anything, but again, not anything I would run normally sit.Nice Setup,
Are you running a Mega Maten Ambi lower?
I believe that is the only lower compatible besides the KAC.
Yes, it is the MATEN ambi lower. The KAC lower also works. From the looks the LaRue Tactical OBR lower "might" work. I've read folks say it doesn't, but honestly, I read a lot of what turned out to be "internet lore" where guy were saying the Mega MATEN would not work. My rear takedown pin is a pure bitch to get in though, but it goes in, and there's no issue or damage there. I'll tell you that from a "will it shoot" perspective, my Aero Precision lower worked with the LMT upper. Yep, there was a gap. No I would not run that in any normal circumstance I can think of. What made me try it was thinking about all those worthless uppers and lowers that have had all the structural metal cut out. Skeletonized I think they call it. The BCG actioned without a single issue, so for the sake of science, I tried it. And it worked. Shot as well as anything, but again, not anything I would run normally sit.
Here's a pic of it. (again this was just done in the name of "will it work" redneck science. Oddly enough, the rear takedown pin and pivot pin both went in smooth as butter.
Did you just deal with it or is there a secret sauce fix?LOl,I know why your rear takedown pin was a bitch to get in and out.i had the same problem with my MWS upper and my KAC lower.
Not a secret sauce,..the LMT MWS uppers differ a little from alot of other uppers where the upper and lower surfaces meet,the uppers have 2 very small tiny boss like squares miiled into the upper receiver right behind the front pivot that i had to slowly and carefully filed down to take away the tension off the rear take down pin.i used a very small fine file on mine and filed a little at a time till the upper and lower came together even and still had a little bit of tension on the rear take down pin.after that the upper and lower were still a tight fit ...check your upper and see if it has the small bosses.Did you just deal with it or is there a secret sauce fix?
I know this doesn't really address your question but the 24" came out pretty recently so probably not many out there. I know they didn't show it when I purchased my 20" just a few months back. I really like the handiness of the 20" and after about 100 rounds it really shined. It is 1/2 moa very regularly and always well below moa. Velocities run 2750 with 140 ELDM's - no pressure signs and no "dropped" primers. I've been very happy with it. Just FYI...
FTF - Failing to Feed.
My 16 inch full railer MWS has never been absolutely reliable since day one.
Probably should have thought about this earlier (2012) but shortly after buying the LMT I fell in love with bolt guns.
Wanted to get some muzzle velocity data today and I find my self straight pulling this POS on every round.
Hit the bolt release with one round in mag - Thunk - the round hangs up, I pull the charging handle back, round pops out of feed lips, I let go CH and chamber round.
Does it with LMT factory mags and brand new KAC mags I just bought.
Factory FGMM or my reloads, same, same.
My CQB spits brass like a full auto.
Where do I start to get big bro to do same?
Does anyone here have the factory 24" 6.5 Creedmoor barrel?
If so what kind of velocities are you getting?
Are you blowing primers?
I would contact LMT about your problems, I've had 2 MWS, a gen 1 and an LM8 and they were both very reliable. I ran mine mostly with KAC magazines though.
yeah that’s definitely something you gotta get your gun serviced for. My LMT while it’s a gen 1 with a single extractor doesn’t do that. It’s actually something I like about the LMT is doesn’t beat up brass that bad. Mine runs with lancer, Kac and magpul mags. Currently my favorite are the lancers.
Wish you would have mentioned the buffer tube/stock swap causing the initial malfunctions and I'm sure you could have gotten your answer here. Several of us, I believe, have seen a b tube/stock change effect accuracy and reliability on many of the LR 308's and AR 10 rifles. They can be picky and one has to be careful when switching out any part on them. Glad you ultimately got it diagnosed and hope it's back running 100% soon. Classy move to ante up for the shipping. Now, rock on...
I have a 16" that was cut down from 20". Not sure what specific setup you're looking for, but I can speak to my setup. Granted it's not "pure", with a non-LMT lower, but the part that achieves accuracy is all LMT. I an try to find some pics of range reports. My 16" is a solid MOA shooter. It's not as accurate as my 18" precision build though.
What I really need to do is start reading post dates. Holy late to the dance batman.... I just realized I responded to a 2010 post. lol DOH!!!!
No cycling issues with the cut down 20"? I have a factory 16" with a xh buffer and suppressed it's still overgassed.
Dude I'm not gonna lie that's the ugliest MWS I've ever seen and I think Karl Lewis just barfed.Here is my newly configured LM308MWS.....
MLKMWS monolithic upper receiver for large caliber rifle platforms.
LMT® 13.5″ lightweight stainless steel 1:11.25″ RH 5R cut 7.62×51 barrel.
SCJ Ti Titan compensator (barrel and comp will be pinned and welded to meet >16" ATF reg, then Cerakoted to match)
MVP Industries 7.62 NATO ARC Stock
Hogue AR15 / M16 15 Degree Vertical No Finger Groove Piranha Grip G10
ARC mount.
Minox ZP8 TAC 1-8 x 24 scope
RRS M-LOK Adapter Plate
Ckye-Pod
The M-LOK upper and 13.5" SS lite barrel saved 1.3 lbs. Total weight of the rifle with scope and mount is now 11.4 lbs. (not including bipod) Total length collapsed is 30.5".
Range Report forthcoming.
Thanks for looking,
Rasyad
PS...someone make an offer on my CQB upper HERE.
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Dude I'm not gonna lie that's the ugliest MWS I've ever seen and I think Karl Lewis just barfed.
With that being said It's also gotta be the lightest MWS I've ever seen. I'd still take your above setup over a scar17 any day of the week.
Here is my newly configured LM308MWS.....
MLKMWS monolithic upper receiver for large caliber rifle platforms.
LMT® 13.5″ lightweight stainless steel 1:11.25″ RH 5R cut 7.62×51 barrel.
SCJ Ti Titan compensator (barrel and comp will be pinned and welded to meet >16" ATF reg, then Cerakoted to match)
MVP Industries 7.62 NATO ARC Stock
Hogue AR15 / M16 15 Degree Vertical No Finger Groove Piranha Grip G10
ARC mount.
Minox ZP8 TAC 1-8 x 24 scope
RRS M-LOK Adapter Plate
Ckye-Pod
The M-LOK upper and 13.5" SS lite barrel saved 1.3 lbs. Total weight of the rifle with scope and mount is now 11.4 lbs. (not including bipod) Total length collapsed is 30.5".
Range Report forthcoming.
Thanks for looking,
Rasyad
PS...someone make an offer on my CQB upper HERE.
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Talked through the problem with Gene at LMT. Very helpful trying to track down any issues.
Tried a few things with similar results.
Rifle on the way to LMT now and Im sure it will come back a well tuned machine.
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Note - I usually use metal body KAC or LMT 10 round magazines but for this test Gene suggested I tried a new from the wrap Magpul twenty and it exhibited the same FTF as the metal mags.
I'd like to know the outcome of this, what they find, what serial number range your rifle is and anything else they say. My father's does the same exact thing although I think it's worked it's way past it now. Haven't shot it much lately so I'll have to check it out and see.
Scroll up... No word since he went back to stock, though. Still waiting.
Yep, fixed my fuck up and the MWS is in line waiting to be shot.
Im sure it will run fantastic.
Ill certainly be back.
Aspersions can not be cast than not rectified.
Hypno02.....no worries, I am kind of a funny shape as well and the thing fits me perfectly with a range of LOP that works squared up or prone.
Robert..... The idea was ONE compact, modular rifle system for All foreseeable needs.
Rasyad
What buffer are you using with the ARC stock?Here is my newly configured LM308MWS.....
MLKMWS monolithic upper receiver for large caliber rifle platforms.
LMT® 13.5″ lightweight stainless steel 1:11.25″ RH 5R cut 7.62×51 barrel.
SCJ Ti Titan compensator (barrel and comp will be pinned and welded to meet >16" ATF reg, then Cerakoted to match)
MVP Industries 7.62 NATO ARC Stock
Hogue AR15 / M16 15 Degree Vertical No Finger Groove Piranha Grip G10
ARC mount.
Minox ZP8 TAC 1-8 x 24 scope
RRS M-LOK Adapter Plate
Ckye-Pod
The M-LOK upper and 13.5" SS lite barrel saved 1.3 lbs. Total weight of the rifle with scope and mount is now 11.4 lbs. (not including bipod) Total length collapsed is 30.5".
Range Report forthcoming.
Thanks for looking,
Rasyad
PS...someone make an offer on my CQB upper HERE.
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Here is my newly configured LM308MWS.....
MLKMWS monolithic upper receiver for large caliber rifle platforms.
LMT® 13.5″ lightweight stainless steel 1:11.25″ RH 5R cut 7.62×51 barrel.
SCJ Ti Titan compensator (barrel and comp will be pinned and welded to meet >16" ATF reg, then Cerakoted to match)
MVP Industries 7.62 NATO ARC Stock
Hogue AR15 / M16 15 Degree Vertical No Finger Groove Piranha Grip G10
ARC mount.
Minox ZP8 TAC 1-8 x 24 scope
RRS M-LOK Adapter Plate
Ckye-Pod
The M-LOK upper and 13.5" SS lite barrel saved 1.3 lbs. Total weight of the rifle with scope and mount is now 11.4 lbs. (not including bipod) Total length collapsed is 30.5".
Range Report forthcoming.
Thanks for looking,
Rasyad
PS...someone make an offer on my CQB upper HERE.
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I hear you, but I'll give you my thoughts, not that you asked, but you'll get them anyway. My first AR build was meant to be sort of an all-purpose build. A weapon I could use in CQ, and have potential to reach out within the capabilities of the cartridge. I learned that it's just not that simple. Sure you can build a rifle that's a decent CBQ rifle and a decent precision rifle, but you can't build one that is excellent at both. I'm sure there are some who would argue that point, but that's what I've learned over the course of building and shooting. I've built stupid accurate precision AR (In .308) and I've built SBR's that I could hammer the crap out of them and they just kept going like that Energizer Bunny.
I totally get your intention. I get why you chose a .308. 7.62x51 is a very common round and falls within my own "Rule of Commonality" I get why you went with a 13.5 - attempting to bridge CQ maneuverability with enough barrel for precision shots..But I would rather build a purpose-driven rifle that checked all the requirements boxes and performed those purpose-driven tasks with excellence than I would compromise and go "good enough".
Then as time or budget allowed, I would build out my second AR for any unmitigated gaps you have in your security plan or whatever it is you are building/buying for. That's my path I traveled anyway. I don't have those gaps, and I have a designated rifle that performs those tasks perfectly.
I also learned this from a SOF friend of mine who deployed with some custom built uppers he and Noveske did for his deployments. (96 mon. worth) I remember telling him my plan for "One Gun to Rule The All" and he just told me flat out, it doesn't really work that way, you can't build one perfect AR that does both CQ and precision shooting with excellence. I proved his own point out though, so I wasn't just taking his word for it, although every single bit of tactical or weapon related advice has been dead on. Either way - good luck with your stuff.
Have you ran any CQ/short distance drills with it yet?
Just got back from the range after shooting a few groups with my 24" 6.5 Creedmoor LMT MWS. It's holding right around 1 MOA using Hornady 140gr American Gunner ammo. It's all I have at the current time so I'm going to run with it until I can get something else. The Chrono data I got from it was an average of 2727 FPS 92 deg F, 63% humidity and 30 in hg. I'll try and post some pics of the groups in a little bit but they are nothing to brag about. I was sweating my ass off in the heat.