LMT .308 MWS

[-Nick-]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OldGuardShooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hell yeah BigJoe. let me know how you like that 14.5 incher .</div></div>

Joe LOVES anything over 12 inches... lol...

 

[Bruiser_Joe]

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Ha ha ha

 

[K_4c]

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I just got mine as well... pretty sweet piece of kit! Hello 3 gun heavy metal!

 

[AEROMechanic]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mine should be incoming in a couple weeks 14.5" battle rifle here i come

finally </div></div>

I thought you bought a KAC EMC not too long ago?

 

[Epoxy7]

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How are you guys finding the triggers? I see a few wanting to change them out.

I bought mine second hand but NIB with the CL 16" barrel and the 20" SS Mike rock 1:11.25 barrel (Great deal for Canada). So I don't know if the trigger is stock, but the trigger on mine is match grade. I wouldn't even think of changing it out (Yes I've shot with aftermarket match grade triggers before). I'm basically just wondering if the trigger is stock on mine or not.

Thanks

 

[BDHershey]

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So I finally got to take my MWS out to the range today.

I bought mine with the factory 18" SS barrel.

I just received my Super Sniper 12x to top it with on Friday until I can save the funds for a Nightforce.

First impressions...

She is HEAVY, especially with the scope. I've got a lot of time on .308 bolt guns and .223 AR's, but this .308 AR is a different animal. No failures of any kind. I did notice as some others here have posted that the chamber seemed tight in that once a live round was chambered it was initially difficult to manually extract it. This seemed to ease somewhat over the course of the session though. Extraction from firing was brisk with brass landing around 10ft away and to the 4-5 o'clock. Spent brass did not look excessively beat up.

I was very pleased with the rifle's performance and moderately so with mine. The best accuracy I could manage was .9MOA with 168gr FGMM but that was because of the idiot on the trigger and not the weapon. The rifle routinely stacked rounds on top of each other, I was the inconsistent one throwing rounds all over the target. I like the trigger but am more accustomed to GI trigger on an AR. I had a couple of surprise shots as a result. My makeshift (or makeshit in this case) rear bag sucks and I couldn't get a good natural point of aim. As a result I was really fighting the rifle. This coupled with shooter fatigue towards the end of my session (I don't think I've ever fired 80rnds of .308 in a couple of hours) and poor recoil management on my part combined to produce a less than stellar performance for me. I think the SOPMOD stock also contributed to my lack of a good natural point of aim as I found it difficult to keep the small pointed toe of the stock stable on the bag I had.

I took 40rds of 168gr FGMM, 20rds of 175gr FGMM, and 20rds of 168gr Hornady AMax Match with me.

I sighted in with the 168gr FGMM and that was uneventful. I moved to shooting groups and shot 3 5rnd groups with the 168gr FGMM and 2 5rnd groups each with the 175gr FGMM and the 168gr Hornady. The best I mentioned was a .9MOA 5rnd group of 168gr FGMM. The next best was a 1.5MOA 10rnd group of 168gr FGMM shot through the Chrony. Sadly, we won't discuss the others...

The rifle definitely seemed to like the 168gr FGMM best at the 100yds I was shooting.

I put the remaining 10rds of each round through the chrony.

For those interested I got the following results:

Temp: 85deg
Elevation: 400ft

168gr FGMM
Avg Vel = 2567fps
High Vel = 2583fps
Low Vel = 2549fps
ES = 34
SD = 12

175gr FGMM
Avg Vel = 2484fps
High Vel = 2525fps
Low Vel = 2464fps
ES = 61
SD = 18

168gr Hornady AMax Match
Avg Vel = 2534fps
High Vel = 2559fps
Low Vel = 2510fps
ES = 49
SD = 16

All in all I'm excited with the rifle and itching to go back out. I'll be working on getting more comfortable behind the gun in the meantime and expect groups to shrink significantly with more time behind the gun.

 

[trident1982]

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Thanks for such a great report RD62...especially those velocity strings. Good stuff!

The first few times I took mine to the range and squeezed off 80-100rds, I left with a big ass headache, and overall felt beat up. Once I doubled up on earpro, things got a lot better.

Personally I take pride in the fact that my slightly sub 12lb. MWS with no aftermarket muzzle device, stock, heavy buffer, and compact optic rings steel at 1k, but I certainly pay a price for that "spartan" configuration....which is comfort. Things like the BABC, Slashes heavy buffer, PRS/UBR, or longer gas system/length barrels really start to make the MWS shoot much more comfortable...but your making an already loud rifle, louder, and an already heavy rifle, heavier.

I bet you see significant improvements each time out with your new MWS at least for the next several range trips. Mine easily prefers 168gr. FGMM as well.

 

[OldGuardShooter]

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Personally I take pride in the fact that my slightly sub 12lb. MWS with no aftermarket muzzle device, stock, heavy buffer, and compact optic rings steel at 1k, but I certainly pay a price for that "spartan" configuration....which is comfort. Things like the BABC, Slashes heavy buffer, PRS/UBR, or longer gas system/length barrels really start to make the MWS shoot much more comfortable...but your making an already loud rifle, louder, and an already heavy rifle, heavier.

I am too old and beat up not to use them lol. I love your set ups Trident your rifles have been my Desktop and TV screen savers for months and helped push me to buy my LMT MWS . I have followed your threads on many websites and gained a ton of information.

Thanks buddy

 

[BDHershey]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trident1982</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for such a great report RD62...especially those velocity strings. Good stuff!

The first few times I took mine to the range and squeezed off 80-100rds, I left with a big ass headache, and overall felt beat up. Once I doubled up on earpro, things got a lot better.

Personally I take pride in the fact that my slightly sub 12lb. MWS with no aftermarket muzzle device, stock, heavy buffer, and compact optic rings steel at 1k, but I certainly pay a price for that "spartan" configuration....which is comfort. Things like the BABC, Slashes heavy buffer, PRS/UBR, or longer gas system/length barrels really start to make the MWS shoot much more comfortable...but your making an already loud rifle, louder, and an already heavy rifle, heavier.

I bet you see significant improvements each time out with your new MWS at least for the next several range trips. Mine easily prefers 168gr. FGMM as well.
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Thanks Trident and I hope to have many more to post up in the future.

I was definitely feeling a little beat up and had a bit of a headache last night after my session. I didn't notice the blast being too much (until I moved under the covered line for the Choro testing) and attribute my fatigue more to the sun and the fighting of the gun I mentioned previously. I may try the double ear pro next time just to see though.

I'm thinking of swapping the EMOD from my 5.56 middy to the MWS for my next trip and seeing if that resolves the issues I think I'm having with the SOPMOD. If so I may make the swap permenant. If not I may look to a UBR down the road.

Anyone have a recommendation for a good rear bag to look at?

I hope you are right about the improvements with more trigger time. Once I get a little more settled I'll do another couple of ammo comparisons and chrono sessions. I'll better be able to access the ammo's accuracy when I can remove more of my shooter error from the equation.

 

[997/2man]

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Mine likes 168 FGMM too. The only diff I saw when I was using the FGMM 7.62X51 ammo was it shot about an 1" low @ 100.

It's a 16" CL.

 

[trident1982]

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OldGuardShooter...

Thanks brother, and I must have missed your awesome new MWS from several posts above, I read RD62's report last night and then didn't scroll up any further.

I'm really hoping both you and RD62 end up thoroughly enjoying this rifle, and owning it for perhaps a lifetime, as I know how much time, and energy you guys put into this purchase prior to ever buying. Doing extensive homework should always be rewarded in my book.

RD62...Sounds like you really don't have very much work to do in terms of fully acclimating to your new rifle. Clearly you've already identified the exact things that will need to be addressed in future trips, and those things are rifle specific....not shooter specific. Call me a little girl, but the MWS beat the s**t out of me for at least the first 3-4 trips out with it. I didn't even realize how badly I was biting my teeth together just prior to breaking a shot with it.

I've also noticed that all of the FGMM ammo really packs some serious recoil....the 165gr. GK BTSP, the 168gr. SMK, and the 175gr. SMK.

My favorite ammo to shoot is the Hornady Custom 150gr. SST, it's a straight laser beam at a cpl. hundred yards, and has really mild recoil to my subjective senses.

 

[Yama Arashi]

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FWIW, no change to the chamber specs or anything else with the latest 7.62X51MM roll mark. Changed from .308 WIN due to overseas preference.

 

[Geld6]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trident1982</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for such a great report RD62...especially those velocity strings. Good stuff!

The first few times I took mine to the range and squeezed off 80-100rds, I left with a big ass headache, and overall felt beat up. Once I doubled up on earpro, things got a lot better.

Personally I take pride in the fact that my slightly sub 12lb. MWS with no aftermarket muzzle device, stock, heavy buffer, and compact optic rings steel at 1k, but I certainly pay a price for that "spartan" configuration....which is comfort. Things like the BABC, Slashes heavy buffer, PRS/UBR, or longer gas system/length barrels really start to make the MWS shoot much more comfortable...but your making an already loud rifle, louder, and an already heavy rifle, heavier.

I bet you see significant improvements each time out with your new MWS at least for the next several range trips. Mine easily prefers 168gr. FGMM as well.

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trident1982,

What has been your experience with different ammo beyond 100yds.? Do you find the heavier bullets do better further out? Have you ever measured your groups at 200 or farther? Unfortunately, my local range only goes to 100.

Stay on target,
Geld6

 

[problemchild]

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What brake is that?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just got mine as well... pretty sweet piece of kit! Hello 3 gun heavy metal!

</div></div>

 

[pmclaine]

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I bought the JP spring kit it sits on my bench. The rifle is still in route. I'm an AR neophyte. Anything I should know in advance before doing the spring change? I appreciate any suggestions/sharing of experience.

 

[wfjames22]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What brake is that?</div></div>

Those look to be Thunderbeast Arms brakes to attach a 30BA suppressor, with thread protectors on them.

 

[trident1982]

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What's up Geld6....been a minute since you've stopped by to talk MWS shop. Hopefully I won't be too long winded in my response, but you touched on something that me, and my shooting pal found continually interesting as we pushed this 16" .308 gas gun to the ultimate 1038yds (last mark that we had relative success at..70% give or take)...which was that BC means almost everything, and MV means almost nothing past 700-800yds(5-10mph winds) give or take. Obviously BC is huge in anything "long range", but folks with bolts, or even gas guns using much, much longer barrels can play the MV game, along with the BC game.

Almost everything quality factory produced...hunting or match, should print under 2-2.5MOA (10rd groups) I'd say to at least 500yds or so. The grey area is b/t 600-800yds where the low .4xx, or dare I say .3xx BC bullets start almost falling out of the air it seems. We found that without really any question it requires nothing less than the 175gr. SMK's or 178gr. AMAX's shared .495 BC or higher to achieve 70% or better on 12"x20" torso steel at the 1000yd ranges. Amazingly though, both remain very stable, and imho based on nailing back to back 6"x9" water jugs @ 994yds

....damn accurate all things considered, i.e. 16" CL barrel.

Under 5-7mph winds, and the 168gr. SMK (.462 BC ), and 168gr. AMAX (.475 BC) are both laser beam accurate all the way to transonic flight for the SMK (800yd +), and the AMAX actually transitions smoothly (900yd +), but by then it's outta oxygen big time.


In summary, recently while reading a great article by Bryan Litz titled " What's wrong with .30 Caliber? "...I read a quote by German Salazar that perfectly captures taking the 16" MWS to 1k+:

" Muzzle velocity is a depreciating asset, not unlike a new car, but BC, like diamonds, is forever."

 

[elfster1234]

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my LMT POS torque wrench just stopped working and is in the trash due to two busted bolts (never had a problem with the LMT wrench after a ton of barrel changes until last week)....

just hooked up with a new craftsman inch pound torque wrench for $62 bucks after tax on sale at sears.... it is really really nice and night and day diff between the craptastic wrench that comes with the LMT and this nice craftsman I got from sears <span style="color: #FF0000">(buy online and pick up at sears for cheapest price possible)..... </span>really nice positive clicks, 140 inch lbs is in the middle of the torque scale adjustments, nice lock nut, and very smooth action / torque click.... no more busted bolts for this kid after my LMT crap wrench went bad. Actually comes with a nice case too...

highly advise trashing your POS LMT torque wrench and getting this OR better especially for $62 bucks on sale!!!

very easy to set at 140 inch pounds... just make sure you set the torque setting back down to zero / lowest setting while in storage.

<span style="color: #009900">is this a snap on wrench? NO, but it wasn't over $200 bucks either!!! BIG time upgrade from the craptastic LMT wrench especially for $60 bucks!! anything is better than the LMT wrench... if you don't upgrade to this, then get something better like snap on if you can afford it... so far, it is working really nice for $60 bucks.</span>


http://www.sears.com/craftsman-micro-cli...mp;blockType=G1

don't let this happen to you and your LMT... learn from my mistakes:

 

[problemchild]

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Its a CHINESE wrench with a different handle, same wrench!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">my LMT POS torque wrench just stopped working and is in the trash due to two busted bolts (never had a problem with the LMT wrench after a ton of barrel changes until last week)....

just hooked up with a new craftsman inch pound torque wrench for $62 bucks after tax on sale at sears.... it is really really nice and night and day diff between the craptastic wrench that comes with the LMT and this nice craftsman I got from sears <span style="color: #FF0000">(buy online and pick up at sears for cheapest price possible)..... </span>really nice positive clicks, 140 inch lbs is in the middle of the torque scale adjustments, nice lock nut, and very smooth action / torque click.... no more busted bolts for this kid after my LMT crap wrench went bad. Actually comes with a nice case too...

highly advise trashing your POS LMT torque wrench and getting this OR better especially for $62 bucks on sale!!!

very easy to set at 140 inch pounds... just make sure you set the torque setting back down to zero / lowest setting while in storage.

<span style="color: #009900">is this a snap on wrench? NO, but it wasn't over $200 bucks either!!! BIG time upgrade from the craptastic LMT wrench especially for $60 bucks!! anything is better than the LMT wrench... if you don't upgrade to this, then get something better like snap on if you can afford it... so far, it is working really nice for $60 bucks.</span>


http://www.sears.com/craftsman-micro-cli...mp;blockType=G1

don't let this happen to you and your LMT... learn from my mistakes:

</div></div>

 

[elfster1234]

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lord, chinese or not, it is NOT the same wrench... man, someone always has something to say. Quality of this wrench to the factory LMT wrench is night and day... is it a snap on? NO, but it wasn't $200 bucks either. stop being such a problemchild, problemchild.

anything is better than the LMT wrench from the factory is all i'm saying... trust me on this.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its a CHINESE wrench with a different handle, same wrench!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">my LMT POS torque wrench just stopped working and is in the trash due to two busted bolts (never had a problem with the LMT wrench after a ton of barrel changes until last week)....

just hooked up with a new craftsman inch pound torque wrench for $62 bucks after tax on sale at sears.... it is really really nice and night and day diff between the craptastic wrench that comes with the LMT and this nice craftsman I got from sears <span style="color: #FF0000">(buy online and pick up at sears for cheapest price possible)..... </span>really nice positive clicks, 140 inch lbs is in the middle of the torque scale adjustments, nice lock nut, and very smooth action / torque click.... no more busted bolts for this kid after my LMT crap wrench went bad. Actually comes with a nice case too...

highly advise trashing your POS LMT torque wrench and getting this OR better especially for $62 bucks on sale!!!

very easy to set at 140 inch pounds... just make sure you set the torque setting back down to zero / lowest setting while in storage.

<span style="color: #009900">is this a snap on wrench? NO, but it wasn't over $200 bucks either!!! BIG time upgrade from the craptastic LMT wrench especially for $60 bucks!! anything is better than the LMT wrench... if you don't upgrade to this, then get something better like snap on if you can afford it... so far, it is working really nice for $60 bucks.</span>


http://www.sears.com/craftsman-micro-cli...mp;blockType=G1

don't let this happen to you and your LMT... learn from my mistakes:

</div></div> </div></div>

 

[Bradu]

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I know the supplied torque wrench is not the greatest quality but I can tell you part of the problem for some guys is improper use of a torque wrench. The reason I am saying this is not to piss people off but to inform some that don't know and I have seen first hand working as a mechanic. The link has some good info, one thing in particular I want to stress is to exercise a torque wrench prior to use. It is critical on smaller fasteners, if you don't exercise it prior it will not click when it reaches the set torque therefore snapping the bolt. Rather than me explain on it more just do a search for it on your favorite search engine. http://www.snaponindustrialbrands.com/DS...Tools-Facts.pdf

 

[elfster1234]

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thanks for the link... good info

still get rid of the POS lmt wrench... being factory taped at 140 inch pounds 24/7 = future broken bolt.... or just keep using it... just some advice from removing the barrel numerous times with no problems until last week. take this info as you want.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bradu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know the supplied torque wrench is not the greatest quality but I can tell you part of the problem for some guys is improper use of a torque wrench. The reason I am saying this is not to piss people off but to inform some that don't know and I have seen first hand working as a mechanic. The link has some good info, one thing in particular I want to stress is to exercise a torque wrench prior to use. It is critical on smaller fasteners, if you don't exercise it prior it will not click when it reaches the set torque therefore snapping the bolt. Rather than me explain on it more just do a search for it on your favorite search engine. http://www.snaponindustrialbrands.com/DS...Tools-Facts.pdf </div></div>

 

[Bradu]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

A torque wrench needs to be backed off after every use unless it is a split beam.

 

[elfster1234]

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very good point, in which the LMT torque wrench is taped / pre-set from the factory.. unless you want to take off the tape which voids it.... the adjustments on the LMT wrench are horrid... no click adjustments, each notch = 12 inch pounds..... starts at 120 inch pounds with 12inch pounds per notch adjustment... just get something better..

not saying the craftsman is a snap on, but it is 100% improvement in comparison to the LMT factory wrench

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bradu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A torque wrench needs to be backed off after every use unless it is a split beam. </div></div>

 

[Bradu]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">very good point, in which the LMT torque wrench is taped / pre-set from the factory.. unless you want to take off the tape which voids it.... the adjustments on the LMT wrench are horrid... no click adjustments, each notch = 12 inch pounds..... <span style="font-weight: bold">starts at 120 inch pounds</span> with 12inch pounds per notch adjustment... just get something better..

not saying the craftsman is a snap on, but it is 100% improvement in comparison to the LMT factory wrench

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bradu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A torque wrench needs to be backed off after every use unless it is a split beam. </div></div> </div></div>

The part in bold is a big part of the problem, a torque wrench isn't as accurate in the lower end of the range. Just look at higher end torque tools and their accuracy guarantee.

 

[elfster1234]

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I would love a snap on. I'll PM you my address where you can send me yours.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bradu</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The part in bold is a big part of the problem, a torque wrench isn't as accurate in the lower end of the range. Just look at higher end torque tools and their accuracy guarantee. </div></div>

 

[77Bronc]

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Dump the torque wrench that came with the rifle and purchase a Seekonk....well worth the $155. I have a bunch of LMT's with the MRP style upper and the Seekonk comes in handy.

Also a big mistake is to use a lubricant on the bolts. The bolts need to go in dry. I have done the stress calculations and by adding a lubricant the stress in the bolt at 140 in-lbs goes up tremendously.

In the picture below is my Seekonk

The Seekonk is set for a constant 140 in-lbs and marked in these units...when I ordered it I specified 11.67 ft-lbs. It is an L style and if anyone is interested in the exact model number, PM me and I will look up the paper work....it is the best purchase I have made for the LMT's. Now I have a collection of the cheap ones that came with all of my rifles

 

[elfster1234]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

awesome advice 77bronc.... i forgot to mention that.... i take non chlorinated brake cleaner to my bolts and some break cleaner on a q-tip to the inside threads so they are bone dry... absolutely no oil / lube on the threads / bolts... really good point, and kick ass wrench and rifle! very good advice.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 77Bronc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dump the torque wrench that came with the rifle and purchase a Seekonk....well worth the $155. I have a bunch of LMT's with the MRP style upper and the Seekonk comes in handy.

Also a big mistake is to use a lubricant on the bolts. The bolts need to go in dry. I have done the stress calculations and by adding a lubricant the stress in the bolt at 140 in-lbs goes up tremendously.

In the picture below is my Seekonk

</div></div>

 

[77Bronc]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

Second good point Elfster, I always use Gun Scrubber to clean the bolts and threads before assembly.

Thanks for the comments....buy once, cry once!!!

I have tested the Seekonk on a calibrated torque test set up and it is right at 11.58 ft-lbs, 138.96 in-lbs, .68% error, nothing...in my world dead on...and repeats

 

[K_4c]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wfjames22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What brake is that?</div></div>

Those look to be Thunderbeast Arms brakes to attach a 30BA suppressor, with thread protectors on them. </div></div>

Ugly, but very effective.... I'm a big fan of TBAC items.

 

[ralfabco]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?...amp;dir=catalog


Is this the correct torque wrench, if you want a Snap-on ?

 

[Bradu]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

Yes, 40-200 inch pounds is good for what the torque is on these bolts

 

[jonthomps]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KJDrake</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I finished 9th place out of 57 at the Oregon Sniper Match this weekend with mine. I ran a S&B 5-25 on it and a Surefire suppressor. I shot Hornady factory loaded 168gr BTHP...MV was 2550fps out of the chrome lined 16" bbl.

First time I ever used a gasser at a match (excluding my early Service Rifle days) and I have to admit it was nice being able to lock in a nice position and rip off ten rounds on the movers and the positional.

I'm getting ready to test out a 20" bbl chambered in 6.5CM that LMT sent me. I'll write up the results and post them when I'm done. I did get to Chrono Factory loaded 140gr AMAX's and they were running 2750fps on average.

Respectfully,

--KJ </div></div>

KJ - Any updates on how the 6.5 CM barrel performs?

 

[trident1982]

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The BABC is surprisingly better than even it's little brothers for 5.56 rifles. It flash suppresses far better than I could have imagined as well.

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[OldGuardShooter]

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See are you not glad you got it =). all that mess you were talking about being proud you didn't have extra parts on . now if we can just get ya to get a UBR =) lol. Trident what Torque wrench do you recommend i want to upgrade the LMT one

 

[BDHershey]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trident1982</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The BABC is surprisingly better than even it's little brothers for 5.56 rifles. It flash suppresses far better than I could have imagined as well.

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I didn't even notice that BABC the first time you posted that pic. Care to give a more detailed review of how it's effect on the performance of your MWS?

 

[IslandTime]

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Good tip!

 

[Yama Arashi]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

Has anyone ran any factory ammo through their MWS that wouldn't fit/function in their mags, due to the cartridge OAL? (PMAGS, KAC or LaRue mags specifically)

 

[Birddog1911]

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I'm trying to get through all of these pages, but I have a question. Does anyone know of an online dealer that carries, or will order, the 18" SS barreled models?

Also, is it possible to get the slick side w/18" bbl, or would one have to order the barrel seperately?

 

[redhooker]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

Right here in stock today

http://www.kygunco.com/category.cfm/keenes/Lewis-Machine-Tool-Rifles

The LM8 you might have to wait on.

 

[redhooker]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yama Arashi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has anyone ran any factory ammo through their MWS that wouldn't fit/function in their mags, due to the cartridge OAL? (PMAGS, KAC or LaRue mags specifically) </div></div>

Not yet and I've run at least a dozen factory loads and 6 or 8 milsurp ammos with pmags. There might be one out there but I haven't found it yet. The rifle has chewed through it all, without a single hiccup I might add.

 

[Gildoom]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

Mine is doing quite well, no issue to report.

 

[997/2man]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

Mine has functioned with everything I've fed it, but I don't shoot steel cased.

Even though my rifle is over gassed, the brass is in really good shape after firing.

PMags or KAC mags only mags I use.

 

[elfster1234]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

i would order from kentucky gun company in a heart beat..... where i ordered mine.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Birddog1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm trying to get through all of these pages, but I have a question. Does anyone know of an online dealer that carries, or will order, the 18" SS barreled models?

Also, is it possible to get the slick side w/18" bbl, or would one have to order the barrel seperately? </div></div>

 

[OldGuardShooter]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

Thanks to elf I got mine there also.

 

[trident1982]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

RD62...In regards to the BABC, as mentioned above I was surprised at some of the performance aspects to it.

Please note that I have only about 100rds through it...and observations below are based on that limited expierence.

1.) Flash suppression abilities with FGMM 168gr., and Hornady 168gr. Amax was extremely impressive, as you can someone see in the video I posted above night shooting w/ the MWS.

2.) I was also satisfied with the lack of real difference in the report b/t it and the factory A2. I double plug with this one rifle, so take that fwiw.

3.) Environmental disruption seems like it could be a problem depending on how/where your shooting. I'm afraid this device will kick up a sh*t cloud if shooting prone over loose dirt/dust.

4.) In terms of recoil reduction...it's a wash imho. Sure it's doing something, but most certainly not reducing $220 worth of recoil away. Most people I think buy these because of this property.


Would I pay $220 for this device? No

Do I think this device at least merits it's $220 price tag? No

Do I think this device is an improvement to the MWS over it's stock muzzle device? Yes

If I'm gonna drop $220 for an aftermarket part....it really needs to "wow" me when installed. A Geissele trigger is perhaps the best example of this. When I installed the BABC and used it some, I never got that "wow" sensation.

 

[Geld6]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

I admit it, I've run steel case through mine, along with many brands and types of brass case ammo with zero issues. Mine shoots anything I feed it. Shoot what you can afford and enjoy the hell out of the rifle.

Stay on target,
Geld6

 

[Bacarrat]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

 

[pmclaine]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

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Thanks for posting. Now if imagine FDE plastic, the scope coated in RAL8000 and a 16 inch barrel I know what my long waited for rifle will look like.

 

[BDHershey]

Re: LMT .308 MWS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trident1982</div><div class="ubbcode-body">RD62...In regards to the BABC, as mentioned above I was surprised at some of the performance aspects to it.

Please note that I have only about 100rds through it...and observations below are based on that limited expierence.

1.) Flash suppression abilities with FGMM 168gr., and Hornady 168gr. Amax was extremely impressive, as you can someone see in the video I posted above night shooting w/ the MWS.

2.) I was also satisfied with the lack of real difference in the report b/t it and the factory A2. I double plug with this one rifle, so take that fwiw.

3.) Environmental disruption seems like it could be a problem depending on how/where your shooting. I'm afraid this device will kick up a sh*t cloud if shooting prone over loose dirt/dust.

4.) In terms of recoil reduction...it's a wash imho. Sure it's doing something, but most certainly not reducing $220 worth of recoil away. Most people I think buy these because of this property.


Would I pay $220 for this device? No

Do I think this device at least merits it's $220 price tag? No

Do I think this device is an improvement to the MWS over it's stock muzzle device? Yes

If I'm gonna drop $220 for an aftermarket part....it really needs to "wow" me when installed. A Geissele trigger is perhaps the best example of this. When I installed the BABC and used it some, I never got that "wow" sensation. </div></div>

Well that's disappointing...

The flash suppressing and noise aspects are encouraging, but the lack of perceived recoil reduction is disappointing to say the least.

I guess I also didn't realize that the 7.62 version commanded such a premium over the 5.56 version.

With the rave reviews of the 5.56 versions recoil reduction properties and the corresponding speed it brings to follow-up shots, I had high expectations for the BABC on the MWS and was considering it as an addition to my own in the future.

I'am certainly interested to hear how your opinions change if at all as you get more rounds on the comp, so please give us another update in a few months.

Thanks for the report.