Long Range Accuracy F Class bipod differences

[carbonbased]

So, I’m in the market for a bipod. Considering the Altas Super Cal and one of the LRA F Class offerings.

Note that my rifles are mainly all traditionally wood stocked. Why do I tell you this? Because the stock has got to fit within the U support. I’m not adding spigots or crap to these rifles. Found out the hard way that the Tier One Evolution needs a spigot or long pic rail extension to work with regular stocks. Sending it back.

I just am going to use this at the range and want a very stable bipod.

I’m struggling to figure out the subtle differences between the LRA F Class Lite and UltraLight. I’ve talked to Eurooptic, who can only give me the obvious differences (weight, price). The LRA site: same thing.

I notice that the U shaped support is deeper on the Lite, plus the leg angles are slightly different between them.

So, with those who actually know/have handled these two LRA bipods, what say you?

 

[smoothy8500]

Have you also checked the F-class sections on the Long-range forums at US Rifleteams?

United States National Rifle Team

 

[carbonbased]

I just registered there and couldn’t find anything. Their search function is low-fi, and it seems searching externally via google doesn’t work either. Thx for the idea, though!

 

[Steel head]

So you have picatinny rail sections on your rifles?
If so Elite Iron has a few nice bipods with stability up the kazoo!

 

[carbonbased]

I really like that EI bipod. But it’s a very specialized tool. I think I will buy one for my prairie dog set up and leave it on there.

But, it doesn’t look to be an ideal solution to quickly move between, say, a laminated 2.25” stocked Remington 700 and a CZ 455 ultra lux with a thin 1.375” stock. I’ve talked to the owner and I’m impressed; he said for my application the panning version would work best. That’s what he uses for varminting. (I know you peeps like the non-panner, but on a swiveling bench and for unpredictable multiple targets from 100-500 yds the EI owner and I agree the panner is the way to go.)

 

[Jabot]

I use the super cal in f class I love it super stale and handles wieght. I run mine on a pic rail with adm clamp. I guess u could connect it another way, have to check in to that if u don't want a pic rd ail or some sort of arca rail

 

[carbonbased]

I use the super cal in f class I love it super stale and handles wieght. I run mine on a pic rail with adm clamp. I guess u could connect it another way, have to check in to that if u don't want a pic rd ail or some sort of arca rail

I want a pic rail. That’s not the problem I have.

 

[Jabot]

It

I want a pic rail. That’s not the problem I have.

will work fine then

 

[smoothy8500]

I just registered there and couldn’t find anything.

Oh, ok, I just knew they had an F-class section there. I frequent the sister forum on NM Service Rifle.

 

[azbiker]

I thought I would try a couple of different (newer) bipods in combination with a new rear bag. I bought the Accu-Tac FC-G2 and the Atlas Super Cal. I had considered the LRA Light Tactical F class, but it was unavailable. I've been using both with the ELR rear bag from Precision Underground and am very happy with the consistency gains I've realized with both. I do however prefer the function and use of the S Cal over the Accu-tac. Completely a personal decision and not the LRA you were asking about, just thought I would throw it out there.

 

[gigamortis]

I have two LRA bipods - The light tactical long legs, and the ultralight scout. I believe their regular F-class and their ultralight F-class bipods share the same legs as my two, respectively. Both of the bipods are rock steady. The bridge is a little narrower on the ultralight scout, but it still keeps my barrel centerlines within the leg's triangle geometry for maximum stability. The light tactical will go a little higher than my ultralight scout, but the leg adjustment notches on the ultralight scout are in finer increments. I'm a little more fond of the ultralight scout with the finer leg height increments. I don't feel under equipped at all with the ultralight under my Choate Tactical stocked .308 or my 6.5cm RPR. The Choate stock has a fairly wide fore end, and both of my bipods clear it without issue. Both bipods are picatinny rail mounted. Hope this helps.

 

[carbonbased]

I thought I would try a couple of different (newer) bipods in combination with a new rear bag. I bought the Accu-Tac FC-G2 and the Atlas Super Cal. I had considered the LRA Light Tactical F class, but it was unavailable. I've been using both with the ELR rear bag from Precision Underground and am very happy with the consistency gains I've realized with both. I do however prefer the function and use of the S Cal over the Accu-tac. Completely a personal decision and not the LRA you were asking about, just thought I would throw it out there.

I have considered the Accu-tac, but it seems it hikes the gun up too high. I like that it separates the panning and cant functions.

 

[goosed]

Are you opposed to ski type F class tripods like the Phoenix or Joypod?

 

[deersniper]

How much are the LRA light Tactical’s selling for ? I might have one to sell

 

[carbonbased]

Are you opposed to ski type F class tripods like the Phoenix or Joypod?

Nope. Current setup is similar to ski feet. I was given a Harris non-canting bipod with smooth legs. I use it on top of a frisbee so I can pan between targets at the range without adding twisting tension to the legs. The frisbee acts like ski feet.

Haven’t tried it with the .204, but with 17 HMR I have to hold the forend down to get ~ 0.6 MOA accuracy.

Are you referring to this bipod https://www.phoenixprec.com/index.p..._id=13&zenid=21c117b72cd4f8c7ff83a383e83385a1 or the Fortmeier (which used to be referred to as the Phoenix)?

 

[goosed]

Nope. Current setup is similar to ski feet. I was given a Harris non-canting bipod with smooth legs. I use it on top of a frisbee so I can pan between targets at the range without adding twisting tension to the legs. The frisbee acts like ski feet.

Haven’t tried it with the .204, but with 17 HMR I have to hold the forend down to get ~ 0.6 MOA accuracy.

Are you referring to this bipod https://www.phoenixprec.com/index.p..._id=13&zenid=21c117b72cd4f8c7ff83a383e83385a1 or the Fortmeier (which used to be referred to as the Phoenix)?

Yep, that link is the one. That with the low rider kit from fclassproducts is the most stable one I've found. From what I've seen from videos of ELR matches they must agree with me as it seems to be the most popular bipod in those matches by a long shot.

Joypod was close maybe better if you need a lot of height off the ground and the joy stick is really nice for panning, but despite the love it gets on one forum I found it to be a pain to setup. The ground is never even and adjusting the legs individually is just slow and annoying.

The Duplin is another one I like quite a bit, but last I checked he was still only offering a freeland rail connector. I guess you could custom make something if you're handy since they are a bit cheaper than most.

The Brownells bipod isn't quite as stable as the above and the one I had didn't keep adjustments all that well. Maybe I just got a bad one, but I can't recommend it based on my experience.

Elite iron, LRA and Atlas Super CAL are really nice field bipods. If that's what you're looking for you can't go wrong with any of them. If you're looking for the most stable I'm fairly confident, despite not having shot off the super CAL yet, that the wider fclass bipods will be more stable than any of the field bipods. After all there is a reason us belly benchresters like 'em so much.

 

[deersniper]

Nope. Current setup is similar to ski feet. I was given a Harris non-canting bipod with smooth legs. I use it on top of a frisbee so I can pan between targets at the range without adding twisting tension to the legs. The frisbee acts like ski feet.

Haven’t tried it with the .204, but with 17 HMR I have to hold the forend down to get ~ 0.6 MOA accuracy.

Are you referring to this bipod https://www.phoenixprec.com/index.p..._id=13&zenid=21c117b72cd4f8c7ff83a383e83385a1 or the Fortmeier (which used to be referred to as the Phoenix)?

I’m no expert shooter but I think your recoil management needs work if you have to hold the foreend down in a 17hmr

 

[hereinaz]

Seems like this is what you want.

Fclass style and swivel sling stud.

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[carbonbased]

Yep, that link is the one. That with the low rider kit from fclassproducts is the most stable one I've found. From what I've seen from videos of ELR matches they must agree with me as it seems to be the most popular bipod in those matches by a long shot.

Joypod was close maybe better if you need a lot of height off the ground and the joy stick is really nice for panning, but despite the love it gets on one forum I found it to be a pain to setup. The ground is never even and adjusting the legs individually is just slow and annoying.

The Duplin is another one I like quite a bit, but last I checked he was still only offering a freeland rail connector. I guess you could custom make something if you're handy since they are a bit cheaper than most.

The Brownells bipod isn't quite as stable as the above and the one I had didn't keep adjustments all that well. Maybe I just got a bad one, but I can't recommend it based on my experience.

Elite iron, LRA and Atlas Super CAL are really nice field bipods. If that's what you're looking for you can't go wrong with any of them. If you're looking for the most stable I'm fairly confident, despite not having shot off the super CAL yet, that the wider fclass bipods will be more stable than any of the field bipods. After all there is a reason us belly benchresters like 'em so much.

I guess what I really am is a “sitting field benchrester” hahaha. You really don’t want to get your body down near the ground around PD towns. Besides rattle snakes and occasionally view-blocking high grass, here’s another reason to sit on a bench vs get prone: prairie dogs carry bubonic plague, and it’s transferred via fleas. It’s not like it’s super common but does happen. Their ca-ca is everywhere and the fleas like ca-ca!

The plague is one way nature limits their population; another natural limiter is me.

So don’t touch the PDs you shoot!

A fellow from this forum reached out and we talked last evening. Some things started to become clearer in my mind.

1. Overall goal: lighten up the setup for bench and “field bench.”
2. Calibers are .223, .204. 17 Hornet, 17 HMR, .22 LR
3. Method of holding rifle, adjusting elevation and style of bipod feet are more interrelated than I first considered
4. Ex: light gun, small 17 HMR caliber, “frisbee” ski feet, cantless/panless Harris, carpet range bench: required me to hold forend down rather firmly. Can’t load bipod—too slippery. This precluded a rear squeeze bag as no hands were free. Used a rabbit ear rear bag and slid fore/aft for elevation.
5. This would suggest that for my varmint/range style, if I go with a bipod with grabby feet: needs pan for range, pan+cant for field, loading bipod limits hop so won’t have to hold forend down, this requires squeeze bag for elevation as setup is to quickly slide fore/aft over a rabbit ear bag.
6. Need to test #5, especially with .223, .204, and 17 Hornet

And it seems no one knows the differences between LRA’s two F Class bipods. Looking at the pics, I know the saddles are different, and I think the Ultralight has wimpier legs.

@goosed any thoughts about the tier one FTR/carbon FTR bipods?

 

[carbonbased]

I’m no expert shooter but I think your recoil management needs work if you have to hold the foreend down in a 17hmr

Hahahah yes, you are perhaps right. I have no idea. The little thing just hopped around more than the .22 LR and 17 Hornet. All I can say is what happened and what worked.

THE HMR KICKED MY ASS

 

[goosed]

I guess what I really am is a “sitting field benchrester” hahaha. You really don’t want to get your body down near the ground around PD towns. Besides rattle snakes and occasionally view-blocking high grass, here’s another reason to sit on a bench vs get prone: prairie dogs carry bubonic plague, and it’s transferred via fleas. It’s not like it’s super common but does happen. Their ca-ca is everywhere and the fleas like ca-ca!

The plague is one way nature limits their population; another natural limiter is me.

So don’t touch the PDs you shoot!

A fellow from this forum reached out and we talked last evening. Some things started to become clearer in my mind.

1. Overall goal: lighten up the setup for bench and “field bench.”
2. Calibers are .223, .204. 17 Hornet, 17 HMR, .22 LR
3. Method of holding rifle, adjusting elevation and style of bipod feet are more interrelated than I first considered
4. Ex: light gun, small 17 HMR caliber, “frisbee” ski feet, cantless/panless Harris, carpet range bench: required me to hold forend down rather firmly. Can’t load bipod—too slippery. This precluded a rear squeeze bag as no hands were free. Used a rabbit ear rear bag and slid fore/aft for elevation.
5. This would suggest that for my varmint/range style, if I go with a bipod with grabby feet: needs pan for range, pan+cant for field, loading bipod limits hop so won’t have to hold forend down, this requires squeeze bag for elevation as setup is to quickly slide fore/aft over a rabbit ear bag.
6. Need to test #5, especially with .223, .204, and 17 Hornet

And it seems no one knows the differences between LRA’s two F Class bipods. Looking at the pics, I know the saddles are different, and I think the Ultralight has wimpier legs.

@goosed any thoughts about the tier one FTR/carbon FTR bipods?

As far as LRA bipods. There are 3 fclass bipods:

Fclass - all steel
Lite - carbon fiber legs, might be slightly thinner than the steel legs, but it's close
Ultralight - much thinner legs

The yoke, is the same on all LRA fclass bipods. The tactical line has a much smaller yoke. If you haven't seen it before this video shows you the yoke and leg sizes.

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[carbonbased]

As far as LRA bipods. There are 3 fclass bipods:

Fclass - all steel
Lite - carbon fiber legs, might be slightly thinner than the steel legs, but it's close
Ultralight - much thinner legs

The yoke, is the same on all LRA fclass bipods. The tactical line has a much smaller yoke. If you haven't seen it before this video shows you the yoke and leg sizes.

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I think things have changed since you’ve looked at LRA bipods. They only make two Fclass ones, both carbon fiber legs: Lite (the heaviest) and Ultralite. The yokes/saddle/whatever are indeed different. Look at the pics, specifically at the holes in the saddles and the depth of the saddles. The thickness of the legs where they meet the top supports is different too, as you mentioned:

Lite Tactical F Class http://lraccuracy.com/product/lite-tactical-f-class/

Ultalite F Class http://lraccuracy.com/product/ultralite-f-class/

Since you are a F Class shooter, any thoughts on Tier One FTR Aluminum or Carbon bipods?

 

[goosed]

LRA did go through some business changes over the past few years. Quite possible things have changed.

Teir One is fairly new to the game... or at least I've only heard of them for the first time last year. They seem nicely built, but having not shot off of one I don't have any first hand knowledge to share.