Looking for two 22lr rifles. need help

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I am looking to purchase a bolt action 22 and semi auto 22. I would like the best bang for the buck.
I have limited my semi auto selection to the Colt M4 22 and the Sig 522. I will be shooting suppressed mostly.
Bolt action I have no clue which one.
I am open to suggestions.
 
#2
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Best bang for the buck is CZ.
You can run the numbers 1,000 times and CZ still comes out on top. I looked at a bunch of different brands before I discovered CZ.
 
#4
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I agree with the others saying cz. I have the cz 452 varmint in 17 hmr and man is it a nice rifle. As for the other, have you looked at the S&W M&P 15-22? It's also hard to beat the Ruger 10/22.
 
#6
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Marlin 22s are the best bang for the buck. I have both a 60SB and an XT22Tr, both are tube fed which allows me to hunt all day long without having to reload. Plus Marlins new trigger is out of this world. You can adjust it yourself down to 13 ounces.

So, best bang for the buck would have to go to Marlin. They are as accurate or more accurate than their more expensive competitors.

Savage 22s are too 'Toyish' feeling to me, and CZs are overpriced. Sure CZs are good rifles, but they are at least $100 overpriced in most areas.

For the record. My Marlin XT22TR outshot a Savage Mark II recently at a local shoot. I was shooting ragged holes with Wolf Match Target ammo while the Savage was shooting 1" to 1 1/4" groups. Sure, the Savage looked 'Tacticool', but it's practicality and simplicity that I look for. After all, how many people do you know that will actually use a multi rail mount on a 22lr. bolt action rifle?
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#8
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I don't own one, but be aware that the 'Colt M4 22' is made by Umarex. It is not a Colt firearm, but a reproduction of one.

You can draw your own conclusions about the accuracy and reliability of the weapon. I wouldn't own one.

I've heard nothing but good things about the Sig 522.
 
#9
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I own a 522 and also would not own a Colt M4-22.

The SIG522 is so-so. I wouldn't buy it again if I went back in time a bit. I have a conversion kit in a cheap Model-1 pencil-barreled AR upper that works better (than the 522) after some minor tweaks.

I would recommend getting a Tac-Sol or dedicated 22 upper. Nordic Components has been metioned in discussions here as high quality.
 
#10
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I see you've pretty much decided on a semi, but fwiw, I just got a Ruger 10/22 a couple months ago, and it's really nice.
Downside is you're going to want a new stock and sights, as the factory parts are annoying as hell. But as I got it for just over $200, it may be worth looking into if you want something you can customize exactly how you want it.
 
#11
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TacDriverTactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks guys. Now I have arrowed my choice of bolt action to the CZ or Savage.
What about the tactical 22. Anybody own a Sig 522 or Colt M4 22? </div></div>

It sounds to me like you want an AR Replica 22 as opposed to your original post.

Personally, I wouldn't own a 22 Platform AR. If anything, for the money, you should get an AR15 lower and strap a 22 conversion kit on it. The SIG 522 were introduced to appeal to the mass video game market that likes the looks of the SG550, the 5.56 NATO father of the Sig 522. Again, just my opinion, but a 22lr in an AR15 platform says 'Pure Poser' to me.
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I have shot the Sig 522 and was not impressed with the accuracy or weight at all! In my opinion, if you want an AR buy an AR in 5.56 and a conversion. If you want a 22lr. Get a good, accurate 22lr rifle that is dedicated to that platform. 'Tacticool' usually translates to 'Tactican't'. In other words, it's usually designed for 'Eye Candy' instead of functionality and reliability.
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They have limited functionality and are often riddled with design flaws. But hey .... it's your money. SPend it how you want. I can almost guarantee that you will be selling the Sig for an AR before the year is up.
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Final thoughts, steer clear of the Colt M4 clone. It's riddled with problems and is designed around, what feels to me like an airsoft frame.
 
#12
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Good advise guys. I am not trying to be a "poser". I do already own several rifles. ARs in 308 and 556. Bolt actions in 300 winmag and 308. I just wanted a couple of little plinkers to mess around with.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TacDriverTactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good advise guys. I am not trying to be a "poser". I do already own several rifles. <span style="color: #FF0000">AR</span>s in 308 and <span style="color: #FF0000">556</span>. Bolt actions in 300 winmag and 308. I just wanted a couple of little plinkers to mess around with. </div></div>

I would buy a dedicated upper in 22LR to go on your AR15. They are a lot better option instead of buying a 22LR AR copy. I have a Tactical Solutions upper and I love it. I also hear a lot of good things about Nordic Components' uppers.
 
#14
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wfjames22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TacDriverTactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good advise guys. I am not trying to be a "poser". I do already own several rifles. <span style="color: #FF0000">AR</span>s in 308 and <span style="color: #FF0000">556</span>. Bolt actions in 300 winmag and 308. I just wanted a couple of little plinkers to mess around with. </div></div>

I would buy a dedicated upper in 22LR to go on your AR15. They are a lot better option instead of buying a 22LR AR copy. I have a Tactical Solutions upper and I love it. I also hear a lot of good things about Nordic Components' uppers. </div></div>



Sorry, but I wasn't implying that you are a 'poser'. It's just an expression.

On the other hand....

What I'm about to tell you isn't 100% verifiable, but it's enough for me to be skeptical of Tactical Solutions.

I'm starting to find out things about them, that many may not care about, but to some buyers it is important. For one, they claim that they produce all of their own parts and machine their own barrels. This may not be necessarily true. A good friend of mine found a company in China that produces the exact same component that Tactical Solutions sells as their Ruger 22/45 Pac-Lite barrel. Then, when you call TactSol they tell you that they won't be ready until the middle of July. Even though they only have a company profile that states that they employ a whopping 8 people!
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Tell me how 8 people could possibly keep up with the high end demand that these barrels have without employing an outside machinist. They can't. So, that would lead me to believe that Tactical Solutions IMPORTS their barrels from China and marks them with US Import serial numbers. Hence the 2 month wait before 'production' is caught up. In all reality, they're probably sitting on a dock somewhere in San Diego waiting to pass customs.

Again, not 100% provable, and if you asked I'm sure they'd deny it. After all, they don't have to tell the truth.
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Here's an example of a Winchester branded product that is made in China. You'd be surprised!

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/489459430/Winchester_Cleaning_Kit_Handgun_Pistol_Gun.html

 
#15
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CZ if you want a bolt gun.
Tacsol upper if you want the AR type rifle.

Even the CMMG 22lr conversions are a kick in the ass! They also pay for themselves in 1 range day...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wfjames22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Tactical Solutions upper and I love it.</div></div>

What ammo do you find works best in your Tac Sol upper please?
 
#18
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CZ over Savage for the bolt gun. I'd try to get a 452 before buying a 455 (personal preference). Nordic Components for the 22 upper. I've had one since last Fall and it has eaten every type of ammo I've fed it. Clean out the carbon build up every 1k-1.5k and you're GTG.
 
#19
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Best bang for the buck suppressed will narrow the list down to something that is prethreaded. I'd suggest the Savage FV-SR and put it in the tacticool stock from Boyds. It's a shorter barrel than the TRR-SR and the total cost will be less as well. For the semi, it sounds like the dedicated upper is the best bet. I have a Sig 522 and while I have no issues with it would do the AR upper if I were doing it over again.
 
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One of the things I look at with the TacSol dedicated uppers is that I'm not seeing how they're better than a S&W M&P15-22. It depends on what configuration you're looking for, but from my experience the S&W offerings give you a dedicated, very reliable rifle that is more than just an upper to swap around, and seems to be a lower price. The comments from people to just get a conversion kit are forgetting that there is a huge accuracy difference that results from the different internal barrel diameters (.222 vs .224). I have 12 M261 conversion kits that I regularly employ for training. An advantage in them is you us it in how your gun is configured. Disadvantage is you still have differing zeros and less accuracy, and possibly more malfunctions. There is also differing manuals of arms that occur. Does the TacSol use a bolt hold open? S&W does. S&W's rifle is operated just like their big brothers. Kits and many dedicated uppers do not. There is an article I wrote in the June issue of SWAT magazine that deals with this exact issue. If I had my choice to use for rimfire training, it would be the S&W gun over dedicated uppers and conversion kits.
 
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I have 2 CZ 452's. One 22 lr and one 17 hm2. For the money they are hard to beat. The only thing I've had done is trigger work. I've had Marlins, Remington's, 10-22's and one custom AMT with a Shilen barrel. That's the only one that outshoots the CZ's.
 
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I have a Sig 522 and really can't recommend it over some of the excellent options already suggested. It is not that it is poor, in fact it is operationally sound and fairly accurate, but it is a poor trainer. Fun plinker though!

I have CZ 455 now and am happy with that.
 
#24
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I recomend the Savage for the bolt gun. Mine is very accurate, and the stock is nice. I am not a big fan of the Sig. And for shooting suppressed an AR with a 22 conversion, or a Smith and Wesson M & P suppresses better.
 
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On the semi auto here is another vote for the S&W 15-22. I did a lot of research before buying and I am very happy with it. It's a fun little rifle - not a replacement for a real AR. But if you want to shoot a low cost substitute for an AR it works quite well.

On the bolt - I am probably less help - but for me I finally bent over, coughed up the big bucks and bought a Cooper JSR. I am very happy with this rifle. It beat my old middle of the road value priced 22 rifle that needed lots of upgrades to shoot right.
 
#27
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I don't know if they still make them but CZ used to make a "trainer" which was the same barrel and action as the mopre expensive 452"2 but with cheaper looking stock and unusual front sight but it was about $100. less.
My Dad loves his trainer and it's very accurate justthe triggers in them are lawyered up and pull hard and are creepy but otherwise for the price bullet-proof.

video (not mine) :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p_ImaM14Aw
 
#28
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N... You looking for another .22?

Bolts you are on track with the Savage and CZ. The Marlin is nice too but aftermarket parts are tough, and I know how you are.

For the AR style I do like the uppers. Easy to convert.

If you decide to trick out a 40x or 10/22 give me a call.

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#29
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Semi Auto 22lr - Ruger 10/22. (everyone should own one)
Bolt 22lr - Take your pick (But I do own a CZ)

If you have an AR add a 22lr upper.

(Add a Browning Buckmark and/or Ruger Mark 2, with maybe a glock or 1911 22lr conversion, and you have the beginnings of a nice 22lr collection.)
 
#30
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I would get 10/22 Ruger for semi due to after market upgrade parts and Savage Mark II TR for your bolt gun. It is a shooter out of the box. My two cents
 
#31
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Sig 522's are just flat out good guns. I have the classic swat model topped with a leupold 4x and is is accurate. They have a full size heavy barrel, just like the 556. The umarex colts are junk in my experience. They are very ammo picky and unreliable. The smith's are good guns as well.
 
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