looks like montana is going in the shitter nowhere in FL

[mosin46]

MSN

hunted there X2 in the 70s. beautiful and sooooo different from my FL home state. reading on here guys saying that it is slowly being changed into a left coast state. looks like might be. here in FL conservatives are hanging on mostly. desantis is good and the legislature is at least not full woke. hope we can hang on but i'm worried about future things.

 

[corsairpilot62]

Gonna be honest, im looking to move, FL was my dream, and I do still like it. But I’m wondering if there are really any safe heavens anymore. Some spots in TX, some spots in FL, the Michigan U.P seemed pretty conservative. Hell, I just wanna be around good folks again. My neighbor hood turned into a cartel infested slum.

 

[mosin46]

FL is really spotty. still a southern state,but. dade,palm beach,broward,alachua,pinellas,orange are blue like kali. some good people there but way outnumbered. north and south west coasts are pretty conservative. can't say about the keys or north east. jax is a tough call. a lot gun people but a lot of commies too. inland still mostly blue. hope montana,idaho and west et al can hang on.

 

[acudaowner]

“God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.”
cast your vote , and hang on for the ride .

 

[eca7891]

I can only think of a couple of places you can hide.

 

[mosin46]

i'm as close to one as i can be at my age. rural,poor,conservative although 20 miles from seattle east.

 

[david walter]

Often misquoted.

“God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can, and
Wisdom to know the difference.”

Lines 2 and 3 don’t, and never have, started with “The.”

“God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.”
cast your vote , and hang on for the ride .

 

[cas6969]

Problem with that saying is, it’s very self-righteous. I used to know an extremely liberal, gay man who had that in his office at work. I’m sure he believed it as much as you do.

 

[NoDopes]

Wonder how many of these places aren't that blue if we secure the elections.

Didn't Florida sweep republican for the first time in 100 years after locking down their elections?

 

[ManUtdManiac]

MSN

hunted there X2 in the 70s. beautiful and sooooo different from my FL home state. reading on here guys saying that it is slowly being changed into a left coast state. looks like might be. here in FL conservatives are hanging on mostly. desantis is good and the legislature is at least not full woke. hope we can hang on but i'm worried about future things.

This particular ruling is FANTASTIC news. As a hunter, an American and outdoor enthusiast this was brilliant news.

Conflating this with left wingism is simply not understanding the matter in the court.

Fuck your feelings, refineries make for shitty hunting grounds.

 

[chevy_man]

This particular ruling is FANTASTIC news. As a hunter, an American and outdoor enthusiast this was brilliant news.

Conflating this with left wingism is simply not understanding the matter in the court.

Fuck your feelings, refineries make for shitty hunting grounds.

You ever see a refinery in hunting grounds?

I mean, a lot of the guys working the pipeline pumping stations and checking line tend to end up with deer and birds in the work truck.

But the refineries are in cities where you can't hunt anyways.


This is more attacks on oil, pushing fuel prices, and selling electric cars. Lithium is nasty business but the mines are in China, so no worries from us. We need to be beholden to them, and we can't be energy independent if we rely on their batteries.

 

[ManUtdManiac]

You ever see a refinery in hunting grounds?

I mean, a lot of the guys working the pipeline pumping stations and checking line tend to end up with deer and birds in the work truck.

But the refineries are in cities where you can't hunt anyways.


This is more attacks on oil, pushing fuel prices, and selling electric cars. Lithium is nasty business but the mines are in China, so no worries from us. We need to be beholden to them, and we can't be energy independent if we rely on their batteries.

We’re never going to be energy dependent while on oil. Ever. And frankly, the only way we will with any fuel is going to be nuclear. And we don’t need to rely on China. What we need to do is move our manufacturing, our tech and our supply chains for 90% of our goods out of there. By law and decree because the wondeful wall st fucks won’t do it otherwise.

You are right, Refineries are elsewhere, but it made for good copy while being faithful to the sentiment.

Fuck oil. Those bastards have been the masters of disinformation since Big Tobacco gave up the lie that cigs weren’t death.

 

[Milf Dots]

In the last week I've met two different couples who were conservatives- one couple relocated from Long Island NY, and another from northern NJ. Both approved of my FJB/LGB shirt.

Data show Florida has grown hundreds of thousands of registered Repubs and we're now the majority.

Fuck Joe Biden.

 

[AngryKoala]

Solid state batteries will only make the lithium shortage worse. It will be interesting to see how that affects grease manufacturing.

 

[mtrmn]

This particular ruling is FANTASTIC news. As a hunter, an American and outdoor enthusiast this was brilliant news.

Conflating this with left wingism is simply not understanding the matter in the court.

Fuck your feelings, refineries make for shitty hunting grounds.

Go ahead and get rid of everything made with/from so-called "fossil fuels" in your life. You'll be reduced to living in dark age squalor overnight.

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

Problem with that saying is, it’s very self-righteous. I used to know an extremely liberal, gay man who had that in his office at work. I’m sure he believed it as much as you do.

LOL
Its the serenity prayer for alcoholics/narcotics anonymous.

 

[Charmingmander]

My mother moved to FL years ago, but I couldn't stand living there. Demographics, climate, it's fucking FLAT, it's dirty, and it's crowded as shit.

Demographics are a high motivator why me and the missus haven't moved yet.

I want to stay in the Pine Tree State, but the politics here are getting out of control and it's only a matter of time before the grabblers get their way and make some actual progress on gun control here.

Montana, Idaho, the Dakotas, and WY have been on my short list for awhile. Only other option is VA so we can keep tabs on the wife's mother or New Hampshire which is mostly the same as my state, but less lefty.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Montana was the "Crown Jewel" of the West. That, in itself, brought on the big money that wanted to capture it.
Watching the changes every day.
Unfortunate

 

[chevy_man]

We’re never going to be energy dependent while on oil. Ever. And frankly, the only way we will with any fuel is going to be nuclear. And we don’t need to rely on China. What we need to do is move our manufacturing, our tech and our supply chains for 90% of our goods out of there. By law and decree because the wondeful wall st fucks won’t do it otherwise.

You are right, Refineries are elsewhere, but it made for good copy while being faithful to the sentiment.

Fuck oil. Those bastards have been the masters of disinformation since Big Tobacco gave up the lie that cigs weren’t death.

We have more oil across the Dakota's, Montana, and Wyoming than Saudi Arabia does. We could be independent, but it's cheaper to buy the easier to access oil from the middle east and south America. There's a formation under the bakken that's absolutely massive.

Our entire economy runs on oil. From natural gas power plants (which are used to boost the grid during demand when the wind and solar is struggling), to the plastics that everything uses in your daily life, to the fuel used to transport everything everywhere.



Oil isn't ideal. It is the most energy dense fuel we've discovered so far. Nuclear is not an option until we re-invest in the science. We're 30 years behind the curve on it currently. And nuclear spills happen just like oil, but they're a lot harder to clean up.



I've worked in oil fields. I've worked on pipelines, storage facilities, and spills. At least from what I have seen, they take spills seriously and spend piles of money to clean them up.

 

[gopherslayer]

This particular ruling is FANTASTIC news. As a hunter, an American and outdoor enthusiast this was brilliant news.

Conflating this with left wingism is simply not understanding the matter in the court.

Fuck your feelings, refineries make for shitty hunting grounds.

Actually, fuck your feelings and the judges feelings.

Here’s what experts get you: “As fires rage in the West, fueled by fossil fuel pollution, today's ruling in Montana is a game-changer that marks a turning point in this generation's efforts to save the planet from the devastating effects of human-caused climate chaos," Olson said in a statement. "This is a huge win for Montana, for youth, for democracy and for our climate. More rulings like this will certainly come."

Another expert: Lead plaintiff Rikki Held, 22, testified that droughts have left "skinny cows and dead cattle" on her family's ranch in eastern Montana and wildfires have made ash fall from the sky.

Guess what? It’s fucking dry out west and conditions are harsh. It’s not a lush green environment and if you want that you better be along a river with irrigation.

Fossil fuel pollution isn’t fueling the fires in the West. It’s called arson in Canada caused by econutters but they say it’s climate change even though they arrested people for starting the fires. Lightning strikes cause fires also, who’d have think it? Democracy? Fuck off with that socialist talking point. Ash falling from the sky? No shit, it’s called gravity and Canada has fucked up my summer of blue skies and great sunsets because they couldn’t be bothered to attempt putting out the fires until days after they started because “climate change”.

Go hang out at the stalking directory with the rest of the sky is falling “do something to save us” pussies. Wait until you figure out Earth only needs to tip a bit on its axis either direction to fuck things up and the sun has an effect on us more than evil fossil fuels.

 

[gopherslayer]

One more thing. Ryan Busse‘s kids are plaintiffs in this case. The same gun control tard that worked for Kimber. The same kids that were so brave standing up to armed white supremacists outside a courthouse. Well not really that brave but the news embellished a bit more than they should have kind of like everything they report on. They were a block or more away from the evil doers but they stood up to them LOL.

 

[charbroiled]

Wonder how many of these places aren't that blue if we secure the elections.

Bing-Bing-Bing, we have the winner!

 

[Hobo Hilton]

One more thing. Ryan Busse‘s kids are plaintiffs in this case. The same gun control tard that worked for Kimber. The same kids that were so brave standing up to armed white supremacists outside a courthouse. Well not really that brave but the news embellished a bit more than they should have kind of like everything they report on. They were a block or more away from the evil doers but they stood up to them LOL.

They re-kindled the "Save the Children" movement and it only took one judge.

 

[Milf Dots]

Montana is certainly more vulnerable (than Wyoming & South Dakota) to turning into a blue state now that they've become victim to legalized recreational pot- Colorado turned solid blue after they legalized recreation pot which invited a huge influx of homeless young adults whose idea of a reasonable future is to be high all the time.

Like drunks, potheads don't make good citizens- they're a net minus for the taxpayers.

Montana is already too popular with Kommiefornians, Oregone-sters, and Warshed-uptonians, so it didn't need legal weed to attract even more- but it happened.

 

[Ronws]

We’re never going to be energy dependent while on oil. Ever. And frankly, the only way we will with any fuel is going to be nuclear. And we don’t need to rely on China. What we need to do is move our manufacturing, our tech and our supply chains for 90% of our goods out of there. By law and decree because the wondeful wall st fucks won’t do it otherwise.

So, government is evil, so we need government to fix problems?

You say law and decree. Well, we still get to vote for people and tell our reps and sens what we want done.

Or are you suggesting a dictatorship? This country was founded by people who don't want a king.

 

[Bender]

We’re never going to be energy dependent while on oil. Ever. And frankly, the only way we will with any fuel is going to be nuclear. And we don’t need to rely on China. What we need to do is move our manufacturing, our tech and our supply chains for 90% of our goods out of there. By law and decree because the wondeful wall st fucks won’t do it otherwise.

You are right, Refineries are elsewhere, but it made for good copy while being faithful to the sentiment.

Fuck oil. Those bastards have been the masters of disinformation since Big Tobacco gave up the lie that cigs weren’t death.

Go back brainlet.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Montana is certainly more vulnerable (than Wyoming & South Dakota) to turning into a blue state now that they've become victim to legalized recreational pot- Colorado turned solid blue after they legalized recreation pot which invited a huge influx of homeless young adults whose idea of a reasonable future is to be high all the time.

Like drunks, potheads don't make good citizens- they're a net minus for the taxpayers.

Montana is already too popular with Kommiefornians, Oregone-sters, and Warshed-uptonians, so it didn't need legal weed to attract even more- but it happened.

You make good points. I spent my working years in "Boom Towns" that were unplanned suburban sprawl communities that were being directed by second and third generation "local" people. They were timber towns, cow towns, canning villages and river towns that suddenly attracted people due to commerce. We usually arrived when they were running out of drinking water, electrical power and the Fed's were suing them for dumping raw sewerage into some local river. Same scenario here in Montana. County Commissioners ran dairies, cut timber or ran a small family business. City council is even worse. They have written planning rules and regulations but never planned any more than a circular driveway. The money people, developers and builders have been at this game for 100 years and know how to buy off the locals, build the projects, take the money and RUN ! No different than the Gold Rush or a strip mining operation for coal. 20 years from now residents will look back and cuss those that sold out or simply robbed the place without a gun.... A "Boom Town" is always a second rate community. The riff raff follows the big money being spent. The Mayberry police Department (Andy and Barney) are light years behind on law enforcement, communications, jail facilities and staff. When there are only 2 traffic lights in town and it takes 3 cycles of the lights to get across town, planning is already behind the curve.... Going to the local laundromat on Sunday, the one day off, and waiting in line for a machine to wash dirty clothes results in hiring one of the local girls to do your laundry and fold them for you while working those 12 hour days...The local hospital is hiring 200 new people but in the mean time, best catch a Life Flight to a regional trauma center... I would hope, by now, you know what I am talking about. I live it for years.

The propaganda here that will fast track the expansion is there is a shortage of housing. Hurry up and build more shoe boxes..

There are very few places, now, to escape to in America.

JMHO

 

[camotoe]

We’re never going to be energy dependent while on oil. Ever. And frankly, the only way we will with any fuel is going to be nuclear. And we don’t need to rely on China. What we need to do is move our manufacturing, our tech and our supply chains for 90% of our goods out of there. By law and decree because the wondeful wall st fucks won’t do it otherwise.

You are right, Refineries are elsewhere, but it made for good copy while being faithful to the sentiment.

Fuck oil. Those bastards have been the masters of disinformation since Big Tobacco gave up the lie that cigs weren’t death.

You are one ignorant sob..

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Discover the 5 Fastest-Growing Counties in Montana​

https://a-z-animals.com/blog/discover-the-fastest-growing-counties-in-montana/

 

[norcalAF]

You ever see a refinery in hunting grounds?

I mean, a lot of the guys working the pipeline pumping stations and checking line tend to end up with deer and birds in the work truck.

But the refineries are in cities where you can't hunt anyways.


This is more attacks on oil, pushing fuel prices, and selling electric cars. Lithium is nasty business but the mines are in China, so no worries from us. We need to be beholden to them, and we can't be energy independent if we rely on their batteries.

We should have kept the lithium in Afghanistan, fuck the hearts and minds

 

[chevy_man]

Actually, fuck your feelings and the judges feelings.

Here’s what experts get you: “As fires rage in the West, fueled by fossil fuel pollution, today's ruling in Montana is a game-changer that marks a turning point in this generation's efforts to save the planet from the devastating effects of human-caused climate chaos," Olson said in a statement. "This is a huge win for Montana, for youth, for democracy and for our climate. More rulings like this will certainly come."

Another expert: Lead plaintiff Rikki Held, 22, testified that droughts have left "skinny cows and dead cattle" on her family's ranch in eastern Montana and wildfires have made ash fall from the sky.

Guess what? It’s fucking dry out west and conditions are harsh. It’s not a lush green environment and if you want that you better be along a river with irrigation.

Fossil fuel pollution isn’t fueling the fires in the West. It’s called arson in Canada caused by econutters but they say it’s climate change even though they arrested people for starting the fires. Lightning strikes cause fires also, who’d have think it? Democracy? Fuck off with that socialist talking point. Ash falling from the sky? No shit, it’s called gravity and Canada has fucked up my summer of blue skies and great sunsets because they couldn’t be bothered to attempt putting out the fires until days after they started because “climate change”.

Go hang out at the stalking directory with the rest of the sky is falling “do something to save us” pussies. Wait until you figure out Earth only needs to tip a bit on its axis either direction to fuck things up and the sun has an effect on us more than evil fossil fuels.

It's pretty ironic that we're having a massively wet year this year. Nothing is on fire, stuff is still green (it's usually brown by July), and the rivers are just now going down to somewhat normal levels.

My BIL and his parents have a 7000 acre ranch in eastern Montana. They raise a whooping 250 cows on it because that's what the ground will support in a normal year.
He's wondering where to store bales this year, first year he's ever had 2 cuttings of hay. 5 years ago we had a lightning strike fire that burned 90% of his ground. Shit swings hard and fast.

Of course, living within the means of the land is a foreign concept anymore. They just want to produce harder and faster, and forget that mother nature decides how much she's going to give them on any given year.

 

[ManUtdManiac]

You are one ignorant sob..

Shut it CamelToe.

 

[EddieNFL]

^ Man, did you tell him!

 

[jakelly]

The state paid for an air quality test of Bozeman, Missoula, Colstrip (coal fired power plant), and maybe Helena I can’t remember for sure. After a year or more of testing the air, the cleanest air in the state was in Colstrip. The ecoterrorists that were lobbying the state to shut down the power plant had to be forced by the state to release the findings.

 

[atepointer]

MSN

hunted there X2 in the 70s. beautiful and sooooo different from my FL home state. reading on here guys saying that it is slowly being changed into a left coast state. looks like might be. here in FL conservatives are hanging on mostly. desantis is good and the legislature is at least not full woke. hope we can hang on but i'm worried about future things.

I'm in Tampa and man is it ever blue. At least I have 3 really solid conservatives on both sides/across street frommy home so I share great immediate neighbors. Have 3 other great friends within 3-4 mins and great shooting group scattered around the state/semi-local-ish. No state income tax, plus parents local-ish so I can take care of them and I despise cold is my immediate draw to staying. Parents are likely the #1 draw if I had to pick a deciding factor as I will always stick near them now to be there for them. Been here 29 years and don't envision leaving, but won't say never. Interesting on MT as I'm planning on spending a few months either in Whitefish or Fernie, BC....still working on housing hook up from local guide friends with best price. I'll be fishing hard with said local friends vs mingling with the locals, but they have also said as much they are being surrounded by libtards and hate to hear it's going blue so fast.

 

[fpgt72]

Gonna be honest, im looking to move, FL was my dream, and I do still like it. But I’m wondering if there are really any safe heavens anymore. Some spots in TX, some spots in FL, the Michigan U.P seemed pretty conservative. Hell, I just wanna be around good folks again. My neighbor hood turned into a cartel infested slum.

I looked at FL as well, they have some pretty good things around taxes and retirement income.

That said, if you want to be around good folks again look to the country, any "country" area away from the "big" cities. I am roughly an hour away from Kansas City, but there are closer places around that have everything I need. We have a "college" town in Warrensburg that is close and has everything you need. People where I live, you still wave when you pass them in the car. If someone is stopped on the side of the road, you stop roll down the window and ask if they are OK. It is just the way it is around here. You know your mailman by name.

Yes there is gravel, yes there are cows, horses, and horse poop on the road. Yes you will be going 10mph behind a tractor pulling a hay wagon now and again, it is just part of it. Your power will go out in storms, and you will be the last to get it turned back on. You live on a septic tank. Country living is not for everyone. We have a place we call the "subdivision". Houses with 5ac plots for city people to come out and pretend they live in the country. Many "don't make it" some do. We have a newer black family the wife and I met not long ago when riding bikes down our road. They left the shit hole city after bullet holes started to show up in the houses around them.

It is a different lifestyle, some like it others don't. But one thing will get you cut off real quick. You move out there and want to start changing things, people don't care for that one bit.

 

[EddieNFL]

 

[mosin46]

i was raised in tampa. left in '88. only back since parents died for a few concerts til this year when i had to go there for 2 funerals. guess that happens the further > 70 you go. i simply can not believe how it has changed. i drove around a bit and recognized absolutely nothing in areas that i drove around in for 30+ years. harbor island was an empty mangrove swamp and old wharf when i lived there. now it is a high end.expensive residental and entertainment place. don't even mention ybor city. every intersection light in tampa had a block of traffic waiting all 4 ways. no way i could ever live there again. too used to my semi rural living.

 

[atepointer]

i was raised in tampa. left in '88. only back since parents died for a few concerts til this year when i had to go there for 2 funerals. guess that happens the further > 70 you go. i simply can not believe how it has changed. i drove around a bit and recognized absolutely nothing in areas that i drove around in for 30+ years. harbor island was an empty mangrove swamp and old wharf when i lived there. now it is a high end.expensive residental and entertainment place. don't even mention ybor city. every intersection light in tampa had a block of traffic waiting all 4 ways. no way i could ever live there again. too used to my semi rural living.

I hear you the crowds are wearing thin on me and I'll sell my home here one of these days and get south and east of I75(near parents) to get away from the Tampa level nuts. Escaping the crowds will only be a part time gig though b/c Florida is taking in over 1,100 people per day as of June 2023.....it's just going to get more and more crowded.

 

[mosin46]

yep 1K/day. seeing it up here in semi rural no.cent too. gainesville especially and ocala are psycho. citrus has been growing wild even since 80s-a retirement mecca.

 

[corsairpilot62]

I was looking at the Titusville/Merritt Island area. Between Melbourne and Orlando. Trying to keep options open for airport commute. I know the Sanford area as well. Torn between city and rural living. (Like michigan UP) But regardless of where, housing prices are too damn high!

 

[mosin46]

orlando is jammed up. i avoid it like the plague. don't know anything about coast east of there.

 

[corsairpilot62]

My biggest problem is flying commute. Darn my career choices. Gotta drive to the airport, jump on a plane to go to work at another airport.

 

[corsairpilot62]

not sure if some of the rural areas out west like Montana or Wyoming will be suitable for aviation commuting. Maybe some other pilots can share some insight.

 

[mosin46]

naples-my grandsons live there and 1 is learning to pilot and is working at the airport. worth a look? red polit area. expensive but seems sorta well run. might move there but can't afford it and ZERO fall/winter. hurricane risk just like anywhere close to a coast. sarasota/bradenton area going big nuts too and is likewise as expensive as miami almost .

 

[Lightning8]

You make good points. I spent my working years in "Boom Towns" that were unplanned suburban sprawl communities that were being directed by second and third generation "local" people. They were timber towns, cow towns, canning villages and river towns that suddenly attracted people due to commerce. We usually arrived when they were running out of drinking water, electrical power and the Fed's were suing them for dumping raw sewerage into some local river. Same scenario here in Montana. County Commissioners ran dairies, cut timber or ran a small family business. City council is even worse. They have written planning rules and regulations but never planned any more than a circular driveway. The money people, developers and builders have been at this game for 100 years and know how to buy off the locals, build the projects, take the money and RUN ! No different than the Gold Rush or a strip mining operation for coal. 20 years from now residents will look back and cuss those that sold out or simply robbed the place without a gun.... A "Boom Town" is always a second rate community. The riff raff follows the big money being spent. The Mayberry police Department (Andy and Barney) are light years behind on law enforcement, communications, jail facilities and staff. When there are only 2 traffic lights in town and it takes 3 cycles of the lights to get across town, planning is already behind the curve.... Going to the local laundromat on Sunday, the one day off, and waiting in line for a machine to wash dirty clothes results in hiring one of the local girls to do your laundry and fold them for you while working those 12 hour days...The local hospital is hiring 200 new people but in the mean time, best catch a Life Flight to a regional trauma center... I would hope, by now, you know what I am talking about. I live it for years.

The propaganda here that will fast track the expansion is there is a shortage of housing. Hurry up and build more shoe boxes..

There are very few places, now, to escape to in America.

JMHO

I left "Atlanta" and moved to "Mayberry" in rural middle GA. Happy

 

[EddieNFL]

I was looking at the Titusville/Merritt Island area. Between Melbourne and Orlando. Trying to keep options open for airport commute. I know the Sanford area as well. Torn between city and rural living. (Like michigan UP) But regardless of where, housing prices are too damn high!

Titusville is about 45 minutes north of the Sig Academy Outpost. Depending on what you shoot, there are handgun matches every weekend and LR on a regular basis. Member Lash shoots long gun there.

VCGC

 

[corsairpilot62]

Titusville is about 45 minutes north of the Sig Academy Outpost. Depending on what you shoot, there are handgun matches every weekend and LR on a regular basis. Member Lash shoots long gun there.

VCGC

Awesome! Thanks for the heads up! I know keltec is in Cocoa Beach area, which would be nice for city living

 

[EddieNFL]

Awesome! Thanks for the heads up! I know keltec is in Cocoa Beach area, which would be nice for city living

There is a club in the Titusville area, but I've never been there. Melbourne is fairly close to Port Malabar. I shot XTC there years ago. Don't know what else they offer besides USPSA and IDPA. I remember it being a decent range.

 

[IronSkillet]

If you stuck a tack in a map with Orlando being the center and made a 60 mile circle ️ from there lots of new communities popping up. From the Villages to Winter Garden and everything in between Sprawl.