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Lower back pains , any suggestions ??

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokenfire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stretching and keeping your core strong are the keys to success. I recently purchased a Bosu Ball for core work and this has definately had a positive impact on my lower back struggles.
Alan </div></div>+1 for the Bosu
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not going to discuss other responses here.

Lower back pains involve crucial components of the Central Nervous System.

I believe that folks who act as their own doctors in matters such as these may very well have fools for patients.

This is the appropriate place for professional diagnosis by Board Certified Medical Professionals, and adherance to their prescribed means of treatment and recovery.

Self diagnosis, self treatment, and self medication can have truly tragic consequences here, if not done properly. The Internet is not a sound source for medical advice in critical medical situations, and anything involving CNS conditions fits that description, IMHO.

Greg </div></div>


Please heed Greg's advice. I posted on this thread in February about using a foam roller and stretching. While that did provide pain relief I was also dealing with an undiagnosed ruptured disk at L4-L5. I continued to work out and ultimately made the problem much worse with probably 2 ruptures of the same disk (really ugly MRI) and a compressed nerve that has left me with some weakness in my right foot.

If you are having problems, they persist, and especially if you end up with any pain in one leg or the other go see an ortho spine doc.
 
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The truth is that we as individuals are uniquely responsible for ourselves. When I hurt my knee sparring in jiu jitsu several years ago, I asked our lead instructor if I should go see a doctor. His response was, "that's one man's opinion." Going to see a healthcare professional might be exactly the right thing to do, but it doesn't mitigate any responsibility we have for taking care of ourselves. I'm not sure rest, diet, stretching and exercise would ever be bad advice. All in the right amount at the right time.
 
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Shulette: I'm sorry for your injuries and pain and I understand your point. I have significant persistent pain that no doctor has been able to help me with. I feel best when I combine ice, rest and exercise, and a couple ibuprofen... I coach youth sports and make a point to teach them to take care of their core muscles in the hope they can avoid back problems as they age.
 
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+ + on the foam roller with a chiro visit and maybe some hypers or reverse hypers(awesome) , did them for years at westside barbell as a rehab fix all for back issues
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.Myers</div><div class="ubbcode-body">+ + on the foam roller with a chiro visit and maybe some hypers or reverse hypers(awesome) , did them for years at westside barbell as a rehab fix all for back issues </div></div>

I have met a few people who opted out of back surgery because they did rehab on a westside reverse hyper machine instead. I've never had a serious back injury but if I ever do I know what I'll be doing for rehab.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VoodooKing</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks you for your quick responses and I'll definitely do the karate stance at this point surgery was the last option , but I did the spinal injections and it only made matters worse go figure </div></div>
VooDoo as for your injections causing more pain , this is actually a good sign. It means that the injections were put in the right place and will help the doctor to pinpoint the root cause. I am having back surgery (L1,L2,L3 fusion) L1 thru S1 Damage) in august and it is my first (wish me luck) anyway, I was always against surgery because of all of the horror stories but the injections did the same thing for me which in turn proved we were in the right spot. Try alternating hot then cold packs on the affected area and hot showers. They seem to help me along with the meds but as you said you cant take the meds. Also your bed will make a huge difference, Sleep Number or Tempurpedic worked wonders. Hope it helps and good luck. T
 
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Do a lot of planks! The better you build your core, the better those muscles support your spine. I have some serious experience with back issues and am a true believer in what Im saying. If you can hang for a while each day and do planks for as long as you can without poor form.
 
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+3 on the foam roller. Do a search for myofacial release.

Used to go to the bone crusher every 4 - 6 weeks for maintenance, but since getting myself a foam roller, I haven't had to go to the chiropractor for over 2 years now.

If something is pinched or out of whack, I just lay on the roller starting just below my neck and roll over it as far down as I can stand it...... along the way whatever is out, generally pops gently back into place.

For low back or siatic problems, just sit or lay on your side putting the roller where it hurts. You'll know when you find it, then just hold it there or slowly move back and forth until the muscle or nerve yell's "uncle" and relaxes.

Ebay and $18 later got me a 36" x 6" which I cut in half 18" x 6" so could have one at work and one at the station. Best money I've spent.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Foam-Roller-NEW-...=item231d27443b
 
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I have had lower back pain since my early twenties (54 now). Had a double lamenectomy and spinal fusion when I was 25. I go to a chiropractor a couple of times a year. The best advice he gave me was: Ice and proper shoes. I can literally have my back go out simply by wearing the wrong shoes for just a few hours. I go back to New Balance shoes, get an adjustment and ice it for a day or two and everything settles in and I'm good to go. Don't underestimate the shoes; they are the foundation for your whole body. Of course everything mentioned above (exercise, etc.)is excellent advice as well.
 
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Howdy,

I wanted to let you know my thoughts on this. I had a low back injury fourteen years ago and I've been down a long road of surgeries, injections, physical therapy, etc....

My injury not only affected by back, but also my left leg down to my foot. Are you experiencing any leg pain or is it just in the back?

What happended with me is that the doctors didn't do an MRI right away and started with physical therapy, then steroid injections. This took about 10 - 12 months and without any relief, they did an MRI and found that I had ruptured my L5 - S1 Disc and its remnants had squeezed out the back onto my left leg nerve root and spinal cord. Unfortunately, it sat there so long it calcified and the surgeon had to literally scrape it off the nerves. This left me with permanent nerve damage and considerable scarring that has been a problem ever since. If you haven't already, I would demand an MRI and then get at least two opinions. Definitely avoid surgery if you can. Physical therapy and lifestyle changes will be the best for you long term.

Currently, I can't sit for long and feel best if I'm moving and changing positions a lot. Stay active, use ice & heat when it gets bad, and try to stay away from narcotics (they can tend to make the pain worse over time). I like Ultram, it's a non-narcotic, synthetic pain medicine that I take with Celebrex which is an anti-inflammatory. I also take Neurontin to take the sting out of the nerve pain, but you may not need that at all. I've been able to work ever since my injury, but I've had to come in from the field and work a desk.

I'd be happy to answer any questions or offer any assistance. Good luck to you and I hope it's only a short term thing.

Dbuss
 
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I like ice and I mean cold ass ice with a thin shirt not some jell thats pretty cold. I also have a back stretching arch that is great. It looks like a curved massage table. DM me if you need more info to buy one. No I dont sell them. Aleve is also helpful for me. When its really bad I ask my MD for valium to sleep and often its somewhat better overnight. I have had back troubles for 27-28 years and some days I couldnt get up without tearing up. I hope yours responds well to non invasive non narcotic help. Good luck. PG
 
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2nd week into a L4,L5,S1 back fusion (was initially a L1-3) and if I would have known how much better I would have felt, I would have done it 10 years ago. No Joke. Now the surgery isnt for everyone but it was a godsend for me. Get several opinions and do your research as my doc passed my questions and resesarch with flying colors. After surgery he said it turned out as close to perfect as it could have. I believe him and will recommend him to anyone who needs him. Truely amazing. Rant off!
 
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VoodooKing said:
Hey guys , looking for any suggestions to help lessen a lower back pain that's been bothering me , I was in a car accident that took me all of last year to recover and get back to work . They work that I do unfortunately is very demanding physically so it just keeps
Adding to the soreness. Looking for
Things that may have helped you, open to suggestions from diet to vitiamins whatever has helped.

Voodoo king being in the medical field your problem withyourlower back must be evaluated by a medical doctor or a neurolosurgeon with spinal column surgical experience. You need to have at least an MRI and MRA to assess for any spinal nerve compression or spinal cord compression.
After your results are reviewed then a plan of care must be formulated that best fits your lifestyle and occupation.possible treatments include:
Physical therapy if not contraindicated
NSAIDs orally or parenternally for a small time frame
Intrathecal pain medications
Corticosteroids
Surgical fusion of vertebrae
Decompression of intravertebral disks
Muscle relaxants such as Robaxin, soma, flexaril, and sometimes even Valium helps to relax muscles.
Less invasive treatments would be exercises that target your back and abdominal muscles.
The use of abdominal belts to help support and align your lower back
Chiropractic intervention
There is some evidence based practices that validate acupuncture as a treatment and possibly a cure by balancing your internal energy balance.
Rest of course
Medications such as hydrocodone, OxyContin, and MS contin carry many negative side effect and are usually reserved for severe impairment of function secondary to your pain. Not to mention the potential for addiction to them.
With your best interest at hand I would have you checked by a medical doctor that specializes in your type of problem. Don't be afraid to shop around and see what other options are available to you. Some doctors will try to treat you paliativly with pain meds and a half ass assessment, but there are some doctor that are emerging from medical schools that treat you holistically. Being treated holistically is by far the best way to get you back to your previous state of activity.
Hope this helps.
Joe M.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: virulentus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
VoodooKing said:
Hey guys , looking for any suggestions to help lessen a lower back pain that's been bothering me , I was in a car accident that took me all of last year to recover and get back to work . They work that I do unfortunately is very demanding physically so it just keeps
Adding to the soreness. Looking for
Things that may have helped you, open to suggestions from diet to vitiamins whatever has helped.

Voodoo king being in the medical field your problem withyourlower back must be evaluated by a medical doctor or a neurolosurgeon with spinal column surgical experience. You need to have at least an MRI and MRA to assess for any spinal nerve compression or spinal cord compression.
After your results are reviewed then a plan of care must be formulated that best fits your lifestyle and occupation.possible treatments include:
Physical therapy if not contraindicated
NSAIDs orally or parenternally for a small time frame
Intrathecal pain medications
Corticosteroids
Surgical fusion of vertebrae
Decompression of intravertebral disks
Muscle relaxants such as Robaxin, soma, flexaril, and sometimes even Valium helps to relax muscles.
Less invasive treatments would be exercises that target your back and abdominal muscles.
The use of abdominal belts to help support and align your lower back
Chiropractic intervention
There is some evidence based practices that validate acupuncture as a treatment and possibly a cure by balancing your internal energy balance.
Rest of course
Medications such as hydrocodone, OxyContin, and MS contin carry many negative side effect and are usually reserved for severe impairment of function secondary to your pain. Not to mention the potential for addiction to them.
With your best interest at hand I would have you checked by a medical doctor that specializes in your type of problem. Don't be afraid to shop around and see what other options are available to you. Some doctors will try to treat you paliativly with pain meds and a half ass assessment, but there are some doctor that are emerging from medical schools that treat you holistically. Being treated holistically is by far the best way to get you back to your previous state of activity.
Hope this helps.
Joe M. </div></div>
+1000

I feel your pain bro
i had a serious spinal injury from Iraq 03
needed major surgery to just allow me get about on crutch's
however due to some surgical issues. I required a second surgery in 05 which left me with permanent nerve damage, which could of been avoided had the mil got off there ass n done surgery way earlier.
See a Doc get the MRI,s done etc
 
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Find a good physical therapist in your area that practices either Myofascial Release (MFR), McKenzie Mechanical Therapies and/or Active Release Technique (ART).

I know quite a few guys that have gotten off of everything but Tylenol for minor pain, because they have gone through one of the above mentioned programs. Granted, it takes several weeks to start feeling better, but it does work. Often the therapist will incorporate one or all of the methods into one program.

Chiropractic care has it's place, if you are out of alignment. However, the problem never goes away and you are constantly stuck with going back to get realigned! Also, chiropractic care doesn't fix slipped or bulging discs. It only relieves their symptoms.

A good physical therapist will repair or fix the damage and get you on the road to becoming less dependent on medications for relief.
 
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Over 70% of back pain is caused by tight hamstrings. Try stretching for a while. If you bounce while stretching, do it very lightly to avoid tearing or pulling anything. Keep us posted.
 
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other than the stretches and exercises mentioned above, I would suggest a massage therapist instead of a chiropractor. now I will say I have the luxury of having one at my disposal for free and she is my ex, lol. but after all the work I do 1 visit to her annually will unhurt my back in a matter of minutes. it can be very painful when she gives a massage, especially if my back is really out of whack but as she massages a lot of vertebrae or even ribs will pop back into place.
 
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if simply I can't go out of bed without falling on the floor,before tempting suicide my first try it's the plain ol'hot water bathtub for 20 minutes_ Tai-Chi WILL help,too_
 
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Back in 2008 I was involved in an auto accident which ultimately resulted in a herniated disk at the level of L5-S1. This herniation was putting pressure on my sciatic nerve causing a shooting pain down my left leg, from my ass cheek down to my knee. This pain was so excruciating that it damn near rendered me "immobile". After seeing the doctor and exhausting all sorts of non-invasive treatments like chiropractor, tens unit, and acupuncture I finally decided I was going to have surgery(Laminectomy) as a last resort, regardless of what people said.. Mind you I was only 18 years old but I was to the point where I was willing to do ANY thing to get rid of the pain. Most people would strongly advise against this, being that I was so young, however I went ahead with it and ultimately got a great deal of relief from surgery. In fact I wish I had done it sooner because now the only pain I suffer from is irreversible nerve damage which I will have to live with for the rest of my life. The only way to relieve nerve pain is with the lifelong use of a back brace and/or narcotics. And even then its extremely hard to sit in a chair or stand up for extended periods, not to mention, the loss of flexibility I've suffered. Most doctors will have a non-invasive approach but as mine were taking this approach my nerve damage was progressively getting worse.. So, I'm not saying be quick to hop into back surgery but just be careful with how long you wait to get diagnosed and treated because, if your problem can results with nerve damage, there won't be much hope in terms of living a pain free life. Wish you the best man, good luck!
 
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I have a mild back injury from my mid 20's. As I've aged I'd end up re injuring it more often like every few months then spend the next week or 2 recovering.

I bought a beautiful piece of land that has a horrible weed problem. I discovered that picking weeds 5 days a week for a half hour a day has made my back strong again.

The property is looking like a grassland meadow now with a bunch of wildflowers all over the place. Unfortunately or fortunately, however you want to look at the situation, I'll be picking weeds here from now on.
 
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Steve, I've got a back injury from my mid 20s, and I reinjure it a lot now, too.

But picking weeds every day seems like a crummy way to fix it!
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I get a little achy from time to time. 55 years old. Prior military service (enlisted medic, medical officer, flight surgeon), several accidents over the years (motorcycle, controlled fall from a 42 foot rapelling tower, heavy lifting), I can usually work it out in a day or two with a floor routine of one knee to chest stretches and lion pose, with some ice and hamstring stretches thrown in.

Having one of these episodes right now

As a physician, I know the bad things that can be causing this and have had my prostate checked recently enough, an MRI at one point, X-rays, and have been through physical therapy, osteopathic manipulation, chiropractic, and know too that it usually gets better.

What makes it worse is NOT doing the daily maintenance/exercise. Doing 2-3 miles every other day on a treadmill doesn't get all the muscle groups.

Get well soon.

YMMV.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DocBach</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve, I've got a back injury from my mid 20s, and I reinjure it a lot now, too.

But picking weeds every day seems like a crummy way to fix it!
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</div></div>

Haha, without a doubt!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While stretching the hamstrings, doing yoga/pilates, etc. will help, you may have some lingering injury to your body that is causing these problems.

If you're having this back pain due to an injury, it may be in your best interest to look into getting some custom orthotics from some place like The Good Feet Store. I don't know what is available to you down in Hawaii, but it may help (I'm not a doctor; there, I said it). </div></div>

Well, said.

P90X yoga and stretches have drive the pains away from my hip and back.
 
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Best thing i have ever found for lower back pain is an incline bench. Anytime I hurt my back I hang upside down for about 2-5 minutes and slowly go back upright. Resting ever little bit until I am completely upright again. A friend of mine who was having a real problem and had been unable to mow his yard for 5 years tried the bench and was able to mow for the first time in 5 years. He bought one for himself.
They do not cost that much and are worth a try if you have back problems.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VoodooKing</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys , looking for any suggestions to help lessen a lower back pain that's been bothering me , I was in a car accident that took me all of last year to recover and get back to work . They work that I do unfortunately is very demanding physically so it just keeps
Adding to the soreness. Looking for
Things that may have helped you, open to suggestions from diet to vitiamins whatever has helped

Thanks </div></div>

How old are you and when is the last time you had your prostate checked? (physically not blood PSA).

An infected prostate will give you lower back pain. Slight flu-like symptoms and persistent lower back pain are indicators of acute prostatitis.
 
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Proliferation or "Prolo Therepy" has caught my attention. Apparently injections in and around weakened areas builds cartilage/ligaments and relieves pressure on nerve/nerve roots.
I bulged a disc 11 years ago and has been on/off for discomfort, but the last year has become much worse with not being able to bend over my left leg and thigh has much discomfort. Deep massage helped but had to stop when I was out of work. Do have inversion table and does help also. Looking at options.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SFree</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Proliferation or "Prolo Therepy" has caught my attention. Apparently injections in and around weakened areas builds cartilage/ligaments and relieves pressure on nerve/nerve roots.
I bulged a disc 11 years ago and has been on/off for discomfort, but the last year has become much worse with not being able to bend over my left leg and thigh has much discomfort. Deep massage helped but had to stop when I was out of work. Do have inversion table and does help also. Looking at options. </div></div>

For damaged discs - prolotherapy has potential new applications. The old prolotherapy methods - injecting saline, not so much. the new prolotherapy methods- injecting gel, adipose (fat), or actual stem cells to replace the disc is coming up in the future!
 
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hmm
so your back was fine until you started back to work? Was there a particular incident that caused this acutely?

i would normally say 800mg Ibuprofen with meals 3 times per day for 12 days unless you have a contraindication for NSAIDs (heart failure, reflux, allergies, etc). This would typically give you a cool down period for your body to heal.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Niles Coyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had lower back pain from wearing a duty belt so I went out and got what I believe is called a roman chair. Basically it lets you do an upside down sit up. That worked well and after building up the muscles I no longer had pain from carrying 12 pounds of belt around at work... but since then I also found that just lying on the floor and then lifting my legs up and chest/head up at the same time while balancing on my abs had the same effect without the equipment. </div></div>

This, when I first got into patient care I use to have back issues all the time. Over the past six months i've been strengthening my core with ab and lower back exercises. It's like my lower back issues cleared up over night.
 
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I went online and searched for stretches for the lower back. I picked 4 stretches that worked for me and do them everyday. Also I have been working on my core for strength. This everyday helps a lot.
 
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I shattered my L3 and fractured my L4 vertebrae in an auto accident. Having a good mattress to sleep on and good boots/shoes to wear during the day have been very beneficial to me
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: xonesandzerosx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damn. I go in for an MRI Saturday. Hope it isnt as bad as it feels. For me bending over to put shoes/socks on is terrible. Shooting pain from my l3 area down to my foot. </div></div>

Update

Doc reviewed MRI screens and said he can see some herniated discs. Recommends I see an Orthopedic surgeon and let them decide if PT is best or surgery.....TBC'd
 
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I'm in the same boat. I've had a few MRI's, each worse than the last. Bulging, herniated discs, pressure on nerve roots, I get sciatica attacks that are just paralyzing (sometimes quite literally). Lay in the floor for three months until it passes and I go back to baseline. I lost and still lose a LOT of sleep due to this. Tossing, turning, waking up with what feels like hot knives in my back.

You just have to be careful. Don't do anything that causes that shooting pain! That means you are putting pressure on the nerve; in my case, the disc is doing it. Long walks or hikes or any kind of semi-strenuous work may just hurt me real bad for a few days or a week, or it may put me in the ER and on the floor for 3 months. I never know. All I can do is be careful not to overdo it when my back starts hurting, crushing aching really bad, and to just STOP when it is the nerve pain, burning or shooting pains.

Over 12 years, nothing has worked. Been going to VA hospitals though. My record is at least a foot thick, if not thicker. PT told me to stop coming as they had nothing else they could teach me. Traction felt good, but only as long as you stay that way. Swimming was the best exercise I could get by far. Went to their "back school" where they talk about the causes, treatments, etc. They show films, give lectures, so on. There were several people there who had surgery. I'll never forget the lady, she said, "Raise your hand if you had 1 surgery, keep 'em up for 2, 3, how many had 5, 6 or more?" A couple put 'em down after one and two, but the rest had several. When asked "Now put your hand up if your pain is worse than before the surgery." All of the hands went back up. So they scared the shit out of me with the whole surgery option, though I have talked to ONE young guy who said it worked wonders for him.

So I have degenerative disc disease, and it gets worse as the name implies and the MRI's show. It certainly sucks. I doubt surgery would help do much more than damage the rest of my spine, as it has moved up it seems. I have problems in the middle now. So I'll only get the surgery if my legs go numb or I lose bladder or bowel control. Otherwise, I'll just have to live with the pain meds, testosterone injections and the dreaded occasional steroid injection in the spine. Those are supposed to work wonders for when it is really bad, but you only get 3 per year.

Dude, I wouldn't wish this horrible infliction on ANYONE, I sincerely hope you don't get worse and can find a way to strengthen it and maybe even get better. If it isn't degenerative, I hear it heals well with lots of water and no tobacco (which constricts the blood flow to the discs). Ice packs help a lot with the pain, especially at night. Stay away from heating pads, they help improve blood flow but always make may back worse or even cause it to "go out". Ice never does that.