Rifle Scopes LRTS / DMR 2 Pro / SHV 4-14 F1

[jdodd]

All 3 of these are in the same price range. This would go on a 6.5cm rifle for an upcoming LR class and do PRS style events.

Which one would you chose?

Note: I have a LRHS from the last GAP special buy and a NF SHV 3-10x42 for my "quality" base line.

 

[Hollywood 6mm]

Considering the price of the DMR2 Pro from GAP right now, that would be my choice. I have one for my gas gun, and I've been pretty tempted to move it onto my PRS rig.

 

[SRPowah]

I've been impressed with the SHV, but get the DMR2 if available. It may not have the NF name, but its a more versatile optic.

 

[Billl223]

I have the NF SHV FF1 4-14 and replaced it with the DMR Pro. I feel it was a significant upgrade. Moved the NF to another rifle.

 

[Glassaholic]

I've had LRTS, LRHS, DMR, DMR II but have not had the pro. LRTS/LRHS had better glass than DMR II but those who have the Pro says its a great improvement. The Pro does not have illumination which may be a downside for some. The big limitation with the SHV is it's mag range, most will want more than 14x. The GAP deal is a great deal - http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-store/optics/bushnell-dmr2-pro-kestrel-deal.html

 

[Hondo64d]

All 3 of these are in the same price range. This would go on a 6.5cm rifle for an upcoming LR class and do PRS style events.

Which one would you chose?

Note: I have a LRHS from the last GAP special buy and a NF SHV 3-10x42 for my "quality" base line.

I’ve had the SHV F1, the LRHS, and LRTSi. They all retain zero, track correctly and return to zero correctly. That being said, I still have 2 of the LRTSi, one 3-12 and one 4.5-18. The 3-12 is going on my hunting rig and the 4.5-18 is on my match gun. They track perfectly just like the SHV F1 but they are noticeably brighter and I prefer their zero stop and 10 mil/rev turrets to the 5 mil/rev on the Nightforce. I also prefer the illuminated reticle of the LRTSi over the SHV F1. I don’t have the DMR II Pro but am considering upgrading to it for my match rifle but haven’t decided if it offers enough over the LRTSi to justify it.

John

 

[OLD308]

I have the NF SHV F1 and the DMR2. DMR2 Pro hands down. The zero stop on the SHV sucks. Limited magnification non gridded reticle. It’s a tank for the money and feels great other wise. It’s on a loaner 270 hunting rifle now. The DMR2 Pro has some slack in the turret that is odd, but never cause me an issue. Never been more impressed with a
Scope at that price point. Personal I prefer the HDMR2. Hope this helps.

 

[jdodd]

Dmr 2 pro on order...thanks guys.

 

[HMRamateur]

Good choice. I have the pro as well and I love it. From what I understand, the SHV has the same glass as the NXS, but less robust. The DMRii pro has higher quality ED glass, and I would have no worries with the build quality compared to the nightforce. The only thing I am upset about the Bushnell is the fact that I can't get the same price in Canada! I paid 1600 USD with their 20% rebate in March. I don't need another scope, but I would find a reason for one if I could get the same deal you guys have been getting on the elite tacticals over the past month or so

 

[Glassaholic]

Dmr 2 pro on order...thanks guys.

Tell us what you think when you get it

 

[jdodd]

Tell us what you think when you get it

Back for a long overdue update. I got the DMR 2 Pro and its a great piece of kit. I only have been able to shoot at a hundred yards to get a zero but hope to get out to 500 yards at a local spot in the next couple of weeks.

I am no glass aficionado but I can tell you the quality of the glass is very evident and at the sale price point Its a killer value. I still love my LRHS but this is a great step up especially for those on a budget.

 

[spife7980]

Just to add some color to the thread

Both set at ~18x
LRTSi (notice how much thicker the illuminated reticle is)

DMR2pro is not evident here but it was sharper and offered an overall better picture than the lrtsi by... idk, 10% maybe? It was easier to see the hits on steel.

 

[FUNCTIONAL]

Just to add some color to the thread

Both set at ~18x
LRTSi (notice how much thicker the illuminated reticle is)

DMR2pro is not evident here but it was sharper and offered an overall better picture than the lrtsi by... idk, 10% maybe? It was easier to see the hits on steel.

How far and what size targets? Like the form factor and reticle but I hated my old HDMR glass quality, narrow eye box and non aligning turrets. Improvements in the DMR 2 pro/ HDMR 2?

 

[Hollywood 6mm]

How far and what size targets? Like the form factor and reticle but I hated my old HDMR glass quality, narrow eye box and non aligning turrets. Improvements in the DMR 2 pro/ HDMR 2?

The DMR2 and DMR2 Pro have different glass, with the Pro having the (noticably) better ED Prime glass from the XRS2. The eye box on the Pro is rather generous, but it's been a long time since I was behind a first gen DMR to make a comparison. I've had no issues with turret alignment on my DMR2 Pro or XRS2s.

 

[spife7980]

How far and what size targets? Like the form factor and reticle but I hated my old HDMR glass quality, narrow eye box and non aligning turrets. Improvements in the DMR 2 pro/ HDMR 2?

Targets are at 500 yds- 4, 6, 8, 10, 12"

I cant speak to the improvement over a first gen dmr or even a dmr2 but the glass looks good, havent noticed it being particularly picky to get behind or not aligning.
Im guessing that since I havent noticed it that they are lol
But I could just be oblivious

 

[FUNCTIONAL]

The DMR2 and DMR2 Pro have different glass, with the Pro having the (noticably) better ED Prime glass from the XRS2. The eye box on the Pro is rather generous, but it's been a long time since I was behind a first gen DMR to make a comparison. I've had no issues with turret alignment on my DMR2 Pro or XRS2s.

so aside from magnification range is there anything different from the DMR2 pro and XRS2? (assuming same reticle/illumination selection)?

 

[spife7980]

so aside from magnification range is there anything different from the DMR2 pro and XRS2? (assuming same reticle/illumination selection)?

I dont think so but I also havent gotten them on the line directly next to one another while Im in the same frame of mind just yet for a straight up comparison

 

[Hollywood 6mm]

so aside from magnification range is there anything different from the DMR2 pro and XRS2? (assuming same reticle/illumination selection)?

XRS2 has a locking diopter and multiple reticle options (G3, G3i, H59, T3) and colors (black and FDE, Grey for G3i only). The Pro has no locking ring on the diopter, and only G3 reticle with a black tube. There was talk of adding more reticle and color options to the Pro down the road, but no idea if/when that may still happen.

 

[FUNCTIONAL]

XRS2 has a locking diopter and multiple reticle options (G3, G3i, H59, T3) and colors (black and FDE, Grey for G3i only). The Pro has no locking ring on the diopter, and only G3 reticle with a black tube. There was talk of adding more reticle and color options to the Pro down the road, but no idea if/when that may still happen.

excellent so nothing functional (I prefere the G3 over the others). Locking diopter would have been nice on everything though...bugs me fast focus even exists, no one is in need of a fast diopter adjustment if youve set it correctly to begin with. Not worth the cost difference however, duct tape works fine to lock it.

 

[jdodd]

Awesome point on the reticle thickness. The LRHSI is noticeable thicker (I assume due to illumination). I much prefer the G3 reticle and for the rifles intended purposes I can do without the illumination.

 

[Hollywood 6mm]

excellent so nothing functional (I prefere the G3 over the others). Locking diopter would have been nice on everything though...bugs me fast focus even exists, no one is in need of a fast diopter adjustment if youve set it correctly to begin with. Not worth the cost difference however, duct tape works fine to lock it.

Yeah, I was surprised they left the locking diopter off, but oh well. I'd use black electrical tape instead of duct tape, tho.

 

[Hollywood 6mm]

Awesome point on the reticle thickness. The LRHSI is noticeable thicker (I assume due to illumination). I much prefer the G3 reticle and for the rifles intended purposes I can due without the illumination.

Yep, the illuminated reticles have a slightly thicker center to help with illumination. The G3 vs G3i is the same way.

 

[spife7980]

Yep, the illuminated reticles have a slightly thicker center to help with illumination. The G3 vs G3i is the same way.

Looks to me that the illuminated are thicker all around with no change in size in the middle.
The non illimunated are thinner over all vs illuminated but the center is even thinner still than the rest of the reticle.

 

[Hollywood 6mm]

Looks to me that the illuminated are thicker all around with no change in size in the middle.
The non illimunated are thinner over all vs illuminated but the center is even thinner still than the rest of the reticle.

The only difference I am aware of is the G3i doesn't have the thinner center (2 mils worth, I think) stadia line of the standard G3. Not sure on the LRHS versions.

 

[spife7980]

The only difference I am aware of is the G3i doesn't have the thinner center (2 mils worth, I think) stadia line of the standard G3. Not sure on the LRHS versions.

Look at the pics I posted, the illuminated g3 is way thicker (like 2x) everywhere on the reticle than even the thickest part of the nonilluminated version.
Maybe thats also due to the difference in product lines though. I dont have both an illuminated and non illuminated within the same model to compare.

 

[Hollywood 6mm]

Look at the pics I posted, the illuminated g3 is way thicker (like 2x) everywhere on the reticle than even the thickest part of the nonilluminated version.
Maybe thats also due to the difference in product lines though. I dont have both an illuminated and non illuminated within the same model to compare.

It's because of the different product lines. On the DMR2 (non-Pro) and XRS2, the only difference is what I described above. That said, it's been a while since I had my hands on a G3i equipped DMR2 or XRS2, so maybe something changed. I'm pretty sure the difference in your photos is just due to product line differences.