M1A/M14/EBR Rifle discussion W/O DRAMA.

[sgtbutt]

Re: M1A/M14/EBR Rifle discussion W/O DRAMA.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: henschman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sgtbutt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The ARMS 18 there is no way to use Irons unless you remove your scope and I think even then you have to crank up your elevation to clear the mount.</div></div>

No, that's not true about having to crank up your elevation. I have an ARMS #18 on mine, and it is low enough that it doesn't interfere with sight picture at any elevation setting. Even at my 100m setting it does not interfere at all. I've never tried it all the way bottomed out, but I don't think even then it would be a problem.
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Yeah its been a while since I used irons on either mine or the wife's. But don't get me wrong, I love the way that the ARMS is set up. It gets an optic as low as can be. I did get PRW rings for the wife's and when I bought her MK4 for her bolt I passed on the MK4 rings. I should have got them and used them on the M1A. Oh well, it's her rifle and she won't shoot it enough to neccesitate removal.

 

[henschman]

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Well, Alamo Tactical called and said that my Vltor Modstock is getting mailed out today... I should have a detailed range report (as well as an accurate weight figure) soon.

 

[MK14 SEI]

Re: M1A/M14/EBR Rifle discussion W/O DRAMA.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


Standard M14ALCS/CV with ACE folder.

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Andy @ SEI called yesterday... my CQB 16 SEI is on it's way back to me

 

[NoExpert]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Andy @ SEI called yesterday... my CQB 16 SEI is on it's way back to me

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Let me know how you like the folder setup. Just having my stock collapsed the bottom of the front of the stock digs in my hand. That folder mech isn't going anywhere so I'm worried it'll be even worse. Hate to spend good money on something I'll end up hating myself for later.

 

[MK14 SEI]

Re: M1A/M14/EBR Rifle discussion W/O DRAMA.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NoExpert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Andy @ SEI called yesterday... my CQB 16 SEI is on it's way back to me

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Let me know how you like the folder setup. Just having my stock collapsed the bottom of the front of the stock digs in my hand. </div></div>

I know what you are talking about... I will compare it with my Mod 1 and let you know.

I have the same issue with the SOPMOD on my AKM, I think I will trim material off the LMT until it stops jabbing me.

 

[berzerkrobot]

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Hey I just got an EBR CQB chassis with a PRS stock on it, but I want the colapsable standard EBR stock and adapter instead. Does anyone know if there is a vendor that is less expensive than direct through Sage.

...OR anyone what wants do trade me stocks/adapters?

 

[DeSnifter]

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I just received my rifle back from Andy at SEI and I must say I was extremely impressed with the workmanship and quick turn around. All told the work took a little over a week and he was extremely good with communicating with me during this time.

The quality of SEI's parts is evident and I can honestly say the Max Pak upgrade was worth every penny. It will be a good while before I can afford to send them another rifle, however you definitely get the quality that you are paying for. Anyways I will stop before I get accused of working for them... and shut up and post pics

 

[sgtbutt]

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DeSnifter-How's your cheek weld with your set up? Looks like your rings are a bit high?
Absolutely sexy though. Every time I see an EBR that isn't black makes me want to get mine tore apart and paint it. I'm looking at doing Duracoat in a Pat Rogers esque camo net paint job.

 

[DeSnifter]

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For quick shots the cheek weld is perfect for shooting. However if you want to really hunker down behind the rifle for precision shots it is a bit high. I originally bought the medium Trijicon rings not knowing how high I would need. I am going to get their low rings at some point. For most of my friends it is perfect though. I just have really high cheek bones and a gaunt face.

 

[Oakland Tactical]

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Very very nice build, since you work for them

how bout a discount on a new build???

 

[bricktop]

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Just thought I'd throw this in. Shot this group today with my M1A and FGMM168 at the crack of dusk. Could hardly see the bullseye.

Rifle is a SAI M1A with some match upgrades:
- Badger spring guide
- Tubbs spring set
- Unitized gas cylinder
- walnut stock relieved around gas cylinder and steel-bed bedded by me
- Weaver TGS 3-10x mil/mil
- McCann scope mount
- Jon Wolfe modified medium weight chrome lined barrel (mfd. by Criterion)

100 yds, 5 shots, ~7/8"

 

[DeSnifter]

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Nice group Bricktop, I would be interested to see how you did the steel bedding.

For those that are curious, this is my "lightweight" set up. Same rifle minus a lot of stuff. Apologies for the crappy phone pic.

The rifle weighs 11.5 lbs unloaded in this picture and would probably be a little less if I removed the side rails I am not using in that set up. Would an aimpoint T1 micro work well with this?

 

[MK14 SEI]

Re: M1A/M14/EBR Rifle discussion W/O DRAMA.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DeSnifter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Would an aimpoint T1 micro work well with this?

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YES.

 

[NoExpert]

Re: M1A/M14/EBR Rifle discussion W/O DRAMA.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DeSnifter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rifle weighs 11.5 lbs unloaded in this picture and would probably be a little less if I removed the side rails I am not using in that set up.</div></div>

The side rails are hollowed out on the back and weigh next to nothing. I opted to leave mine since the weight savings wasn't enough to make a difference. I think the plastic hand covers weigh as much as the rails if not more.

My setup is about 1.5 pounds more but has a MIAD grip, TD bipod and a medium weight barrel (no flash light). Hoping to finally get it operational this week.

 

[wildbill9ball]

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here is my socom

 

[MK14 SEI]

Re: M1A/M14/EBR Rifle discussion W/O DRAMA.

My MK14 CQB 16 type SEI.

 

[steelcomp]

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It's amazing how the color changes the appearance of a rifle. From a purely "looks" standpoint, I really don't like looks of the EBR chassis systems for the M1/M14's, but that one in all black looks just bad ass.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Anchor Zero Six</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I guess my question would be whats the weight of the EBR stock? </div></div>

What variant are you interested in?

The 1st generation Mod 1 weighs in at 4 pounds 3.2 ounces.
This weight includes the Magpul CTR butt stock.

Unloaded weight as pictured below: 10 lbs. 9.6 Oz.

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[sgtbutt]

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For everyone running AFGs on their EBRs, how are the ergonomics? The reason I ask is I'm selling an AR and its sporting an AFG, and after a couple hours stippling it I'm not letting it go. I've been toying with the idea of swapping it for the Kydex handguards and trying it out.

 

[sgtbutt]

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So I just attempted to try to answer my own question. The original AFG's side wings prohibit usage on the EBR chassis. I guess there was a reason that I was only seeing the AFG2s mounted. So to edit my question.....

How do you like running the AFG2s???

I have one that I'll be using on another build so I'll try it quick after the paint job is done. That or bust out the Dremel and do a bit of customizing.

 

[MK14 SEI]

Re: M1A/M14/EBR Rifle discussion W/O DRAMA.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sgtbutt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I just attempted to try to answer my own question. The original AFG's side wings prohibit usage on the EBR chassis. I guess there was a reason that I was only seeing the AFG2s mounted. So to edit my question.....

How do you like running the AFG2s???

I have one that I'll be using on another build so I'll try it quick after the paint job is done.
That or bust out the Dremel and do a bit of customizing. </div></div>

I like the AFG and I'm running three or four of them now.

I used a hand file to custom fit mine, a Dremel would be quicker.

 

[Vindex]

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Some nice looking M1A's here!

I have two - a 1984 vintage NM SAI and a early Scout. Sorry, no pics - moving this week to another State and can't find anything right now!

Put a little bit of work into the Scout - replaced the gas system with an SEI, put a Smith Vortex on the front, strengthed the forearm with carbon arrows, and built a new trigger group with USGI parts - these were tha parts that needed some attention on my rifle. SAI puts out a decent product, but as USGI parts started to dry up, they used some aftermarket parts that were hit or miss in terms of quality. And and bedded the receiver. Spend the time learning the right way to do a bedding job on these rifles, and it will pay huge accuracy dividends.

When the barrel wear out, I will be looking to Krieger for replacements, and maybe at the same time drop in a TRW bolt.

I love the Sage, Troy and JAE stocks. But weight is an issue. I saw McCann Industries makes an all carbon fiber stock - anyone use it?

http://mccannindustries.com/carbonfiberstock.htm

I like the options for the stock configurations.

Of course, if I found a decent priced E2 stock.......

One of these days I will start on a build of my own using either an LRB or a new SEI receiver. I am a fan of the Smith replacement parts, and am waiting to see what their new receiver does.

As far as bashers, let them piss and moan. You really don't begin to appreciate these rifles until you spend some time with them.

 

[JHenckel]

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This looks like a great place for my first post! I've had a SOCOM II for a few years now, shortly after purchase I swapped out the plastic stock for a beautiful walnut stock, its gorgeous, however, since I got to Afghanistan I've had the opportunity to play with the EBR's, those being the standard these days. Does anyone, have a Sage, on their SOCOM II? Are there any mounting issues due the the slightly different gas system? I've seen a ton of picture with them, but not much info on fitment, ie any custom fab work. Thanks!

 

[MK14 SEI]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ColdShotKill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This looks like a great place for my first post! I've had a SOCOM II for a few years now, shortly after purchase I swapped out the plastic stock for a beautiful walnut stock, its gorgeous, however, since I got to Afghanistan I've had the opportunity to play with the EBR's, those being the standard these days.

Does anyone, have a Sage, on their SOCOM II? Are there any mounting issues due the the slightly different gas system? I've seen a ton of picture with them, but not much info on fitment, ie any custom fab work. Thanks! </div></div>


No worries, the gas system is the same. My 16" M14 is in a
SAGE M14ALCS/CV with a SAGE M14DCSB and an ACE folder.
The SOCOM II drops into a SAGE EBR stocks the same way other M1A
and M14 rifles drop in, replaced the op rod guide and the barrel band.



Welcome and stay safe.

 

[JHenckel]

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Excellent! Thank you

 

[bricktop]

Re: M1A/M14/EBR Rifle discussion W/O DRAMA.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DeSnifter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice group Bricktop, I would be interested to see how you did the steel bedding.</div></div>

Thanks, I try not to take it out of the stock much, but next time I'll take a pic when I do.

New results, this time conditions were better and I had a better rest.

 

[Anchor Zero Six]

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WOW that just goes to show what these things are capable of with a few simple modification. I have been debating if a supermatch is worth the added cost over a Standard loaded knowing that down the line it will end up at SEI. Looks like a standard can hold its own no problem.

 

[HaveBlue83]

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well, I sold my SA M1A at the gun show yesterday and picked up a spankin' new scout in walnut

EDIT: i added the Flash hider as soon as i got home.



let the MK14 build begin

Absolutely LOVE the way it handles compared to the 22". its like a skeet gun, quick to maneuver.

 

[Dark Horse]

Re: M1A/M14/EBR Rifle discussion W/O DRAMA.

Wasn't aware the Scouts were coming with the GI flashider now. Nice looking rifle.

 

[MK14 SEI]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dark Horse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wasn't aware the Scouts were coming with the GI flashider now. Nice looking rifle. </div></div>

My 2001 Scout right before switching over to the SAGE EBR in 2004. Notice the neutered USGI flash hider.

 

[HaveBlue83]

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(i swapped that Kali legal thing off within 10 min of having it). kinda wish i left it on the one i sold as the bay lug is in the way now. I'm sure i can swap it with someone...or just get the vortex

 

[MK14 SEI]

Re: M1A/M14/EBR Rifle discussion W/O DRAMA.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HaveBlue83</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...or just get the vortex

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Good idea especially if you enjoy shooting iron sights.

The Vortex on my Mod 1 does not shorten your sight radius
and it takes an assortment of standard height front sights.
It uses your castle nut and it is not sound suppressor friendly.

 

[sgtbutt]

Re: M1A/M14/EBR Rifle discussion W/O DRAMA.

Decided to go out shooting today so I threw on my AFG2 from my newest AR build onto the EBR and loved it. I only got the opportunity to put a mag through my M1A but the feel of the AFG2 is awesome. So awesome that I decided to chop up my AFG.
I used a cutting disk on my Dremel to cut the wings of the AFG off and then used a sanding bit to ease up the rough edges. Polymer and Dremels equal heat which leads to melting at the cutting site. I ended up with some melted polymer where I cut the wings off so I chipped those off. Once I was finished and satisfied with the lack of sharp edges I installed it on my EBR.
First pic is of my AFG and AFG2 side by side. Second pic is close up of my AFG installed. As it sits there with 20 round loaded mag, bipod, sling, scope, etc etc is is a hair over 16.5 lbs.
I LOVE THIS PLATFORM!

 

[NoExpert]

Re: M1A/M14/EBR Rifle discussion W/O DRAMA.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Vortex on my Mod 1 does not shorten your sight radius
and it takes an assortment of standard height front sights.
It uses your castle nut and it is not sound suppressor friendly</div></div>

As far as I knew the only front sights you could run on a Scout with a castle nut type dovetail mount is the tall one from SA Inc. or one from XS. Not much of an assortment in my opinion...

I prefer the SEI GLFS dovetail (for 18" barrels) since I can use standard height front sights like the tritium bar, CQB dot, .062 NM, standard USGI, etc. since the GLFS makes up the height difference.

 

[HaveBlue83]

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I actually just orderd the GLFS-D-18 for $60 on clearance. it's U.S.N. marked, SEI part.

I'm kinda trying to get away from the castle nut. its a lot of stuff going on added with pressure, so the SEI Vortex that just screws on is what I'm going for. so, MK-14 style in essence.

 

[nmcclure]

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is anyone running the SEI Gas plug ? Did you notice a difference with 168gr ammo?

oh yea....

 

[MK14 SEI]

Re: M1A/M14/EBR Rifle discussion W/O DRAMA.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NoExpert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Vortex on my Mod 1 does not shorten your sight radius
and it takes an assortment of standard height front sights.
It uses your castle nut and it is not sound suppressor friendly</div></div>

As far as I knew the only front sights you could run on a Scout with a castle nut type dovetail mount is the tall one from SA Inc. or one from XS. Not much of an assortment in my opinion... </div></div>

It was a long week and you are correct, I was thinking about the SOCOM GLFS allowing the use of standard height sights...
the castle nut using Vortex retains the longer sight radius and must use the taller SCOUT sight from Springfield.

 

[MK14 SEI]

Re: M1A/M14/EBR Rifle discussion W/O DRAMA.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HaveBlue83</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I actually just orderd the GLFS-D-18 for $60 on clearance. it's U.S.N. marked, SEI part.

I'm kinda trying to get away from the castle nut. its a lot of stuff going on added with pressure, so the SEI Vortex that just screws on is what I'm going for. so, MK-14 style in essence. </div></div>

That will work.

 

[Anchor Zero Six]

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I have read in various forums and magazines that M118LR and M14's/M1A's dont play well together. Seems to be a bit on the hot side for the receiver design.

My question is would an adjustable gas plug such as the schuster solve this issue? Would I just be better off with a specific load tailored for the rifle? I have a 175 SMK pet load that works well in just about every rifle I have fired it from and would prefer to continue to use it in all of my 308's vice having a bunch of ammo tailored for many rifles.

R/
A06

 

[chansen49]

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Who makes that stock? Mcmillan?

 

[NoExpert]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nmcclure</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is anyone running the SEI Gas plug ? Did you notice a difference with 168gr ammo?</div></div>

I have the SEI Socom gas plug, it has .5cc more volume and felt recoil is a little less while remaining reliable with surplus (144gr.) to match ammo (175gr.).

I tried a Schuster plug (not the adjustable version) and it wasn't reliable with surplus ammo. Same situation with the Sadlak NM grooved piston. However running 175gr. match ammo the rifle functioned reliably with either the plug or the piston (don't try to use both at the same time).

I went with the SEI Socom plug since it's reliable with anything I feed the rifle and seems to take enough pressure off the system with 175gr. match ammo. I prefer a set and forget system.

 

[rcnpthfndr]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Anchor Zero Six</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have read in various forums and magazines that M118LR and M14's/M1A's dont play well together. Seems to be a bit on the hot side for the receiver design.</div></div>

from what i have seen here in AFG while training the EBR drivers(M14's)the 118LR hasnt caused any issues with accuracy and reliability. I have seen silly shit but it was operator error, like rings not being tight and the scope sliding back and forth in recoil, overloading magazines and such.
i have some more EBR ranges coming up and will talk with the EBR operators and see if they have noticed anything

 

[JHenckel]

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Hey, has anyone ever used the M1A CMags? Thoughts? Im considering getting one for my SOCOM.

 

[Anchor Zero Six]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rcnpthfndr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Anchor Zero Six</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have read in various forums and magazines that M118LR and M14's/M1A's dont play well together. Seems to be a bit on the hot side for the receiver design.</div></div>

from what i have seen here in AFG while training the EBR drivers(M14's)the 118LR hasnt caused any issues with accuracy and reliability. I have seen silly shit but it was operator error, like rings not being tight and the scope sliding back and forth in recoil, overloading magazines and such.
i have some more EBR ranges coming up and will talk with the EBR operators and see if they have noticed anything </div></div>

EBR's from SEI are "tuned" for the M118LR according to Smiths websight. My question was more directed more towards an off the shelf SA/FA/LRB type rifle. Eventualy as funds permit my intention would be to have Smith perform a Crazy Horse facelift. I dont know how long that will be in the future so I'm wondering if any simple mods such as a gas plug can allow use of M118LR SAFELY.

Backing off the charge on my handloads and refraining from shooting what little M118LR I have left wouldnt be the end of the world but if a 60.00 gas plug allows me to use one load in all my rifles I would prefer to go that route.

 

[nmcclure]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chansen49</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Who makes that stock? Mcmillan?

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Correct, adj m3a

 

[DeSnifter]

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Thought I would post the beast that made me want a "light" M1A. Has SEI vortex, SEI extended bolt, Sadlak guide rod, Sadlak Airborne Mount, and Sadlak Magazine Release all installed by Springfield Armory. Has all national match parts and managed to get one of the White Feather Trigger Groups before they discontinued them. Breaks at 3 lbs exactly.

 

[MK14 SEI]

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I believe that all M14EBR-RI are test fired on an exclusive diet of LC M118LR... M1I8LR is the ammo recommended for best results in the field.
M14EBR-RI have standard chambers, SEI offers M118LR chambers and all of my SEI builds are chambered for M118LR.

 

[rcnpthfndr]

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H20

IIRC you are correct, i know on the test targets that come with the EBR's it specifies the ammo shot. i will scan one of them and post it later

 

[Pat Thomas]

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nmcclure, what stock is that?

 

[Pat Thomas]

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oops! Now I see...adj m3a

 

[Mike Petersen]

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Having fired over 30k rounds of M118LR through the 5000 M14EBR-RIs that we have built so far and I can say that there are no problems shooting it in Army guns. I have fired it in both of my own guns one of which is a SAI and the other is a Fulton.