M40 scope rings - reproduction

[iceng]

Just about to finish this. Going off for finishing next week. I got a hold of a set and fully digitized it and made some. As exacting and correct as I could do.

They do not require small tac-welds to hold them together. They will also withstand unlimited amounts of shooting 308win / 7.62 under normal bolt action conditions.

In Australia. Yes, i have authorisation (DoD export permit) to send to USA.

 

[molonlave]

How are the rings connected to the base?

 

[iceng]

They have a special pocket they sit in. Braze welded into place. Round bar clamped in the rings to ensure correct alignment.

 

[deltawiskey]

Looks really nice! When will be ready for orders?
DW

 

[iceng]

I dont have many. This was to help a mate out fix hit junk tier ones from "someone else". Wanted me to make a high quality set. This is what i came up with. I tried to make them as exacting as original as I could. They will be finished in a week.

I scrapped one in prototype, and will forcefully destroy another to ensure it is the best quality I can make.

 

[USMCsean]

Do you have any idea on pricing?

 

[iceng]

Yes. I can do them for just under $550 usd delivered anywhere. Expensive yes, but i went for quality. Also i will only have 5.

 

[USMCsean]

Yes. I can do them for just under $550 usd delivered anywhere. Expensive yes, but i went for quality. Also i will only have 5.

You're not going to make any more than 5? Will they be finished or in the raw?

 

[iceng]

Finished, in a box, with padding and screws and allen key.

 

[deltawiskey]

Finished, in a box, with padding and screws and allen key.

Count me in, PM sent!
DW

 

[corsairpilot62]

Any chance of a left hand version?

 

[iceng]

Any chance of a left hand version?

Hah, i found this way too funny.

Yes, i will make a special custom one off left handed. Weirdo.

 

[iceng]

Ive got peoples PM's. Once i get them back from finishing, i will show pics of them, how they look / present, and ensure the quality is up to standard, and the people who asked for one, will have first dibs.

 

[corsairpilot62]

Hah, i found this way too funny.

Yes, i will make a special custom one off left handed. Weirdo.

Awesome, Thank you Sir!

 

[USMCSGT0331]

Out of curiosity, what are you basing the specs on? Do you have an original USMC Unertl mount on hand to measure? Are you taking measurements from the mount that shall not be named (we all know what that piece of garbage is, lol)? Or is there anything else you're using to get the specs or a combination of these?

Mounting on a tube for alignment is what's always been done, I actually have the tube that Dan Ross used to alignment the rings on his mounts (which aren't to Unertl spec). Quick, easy and accurate way to line things up. The original Unertl mounts had the rings brazed in place or whatever it would be called. On the underside of every USMC Unertl mount you can see the coloration from the heat when they brazed them.

Since you're doing a box with your mounts, it would be pretty cool to replicate the one that the mounts originally came in. Check out these photos, I can send you a close-up of the box's artwork if you're interested in trying to incorporate it into your boxed set. The Unertl boxes don't have any padding in them, the mounts were just wrapped in tissue paper. But it's probably better to add padding in you box as planned, tissue paper isn't very good at protecting things, lol. The screws and an Allen key were also provided in a small plastic bag. And that's pretty much it for the original USMC Unertl mount packages, not much to it.

Also, for everyone who's patiently waiting for a good reproduction Unertl mount to hit the market...... good things come to those who wait.

 

[USMCsean]

I will be waiting. Eventually.

 

[fourhourseast]

Out of curiosity, what are you basing the specs on? Do you have an original USMC Unertl mount on hand to measure? Are you taking measurements from the mount that shall not be named (we all know what that piece of garbage is, lol)? Or is there anything else you're using to get the specs or a combination of these?

Mounting on a tube for alignment is what's always been done, I actually have the tube that Dan Ross used to alignment the rings on his mounts (which aren't to Unertl spec). Quick, easy and accurate way to line things up. The original Unertl mounts had the rings brazed in place or whatever it would be called. On the underside of every USMC Unertl mount you can see the coloration from the heat when they brazed them.

Since you're doing a box with your mounts, it would be pretty cool to replicate the one that the mounts originally came in. Check out these photos, I can send you a close-up of the box's artwork if you're interested in trying to incorporate it into your boxed set. The Unertl boxes don't have any padding in them, the mounts were just wrapped in tissue paper. But it's probably better to add padding in you box as planned, tissue paper isn't very good at protecting things, lol. The screws and an Allen key were also provided in a small plastic bag. And that's pretty much it for the original USMC Unertl mount pack

Out of curiosity, what are you basing the specs on? Do you have an original USMC Unertl mount on hand to measure? Are you taking measurements from the mount that shall not be named (we all know what that piece of garbage is, lol)? Or is there anything else you're using to get the specs or a combination of these?

Mounting on a tube for alignment is what's always been done, I actually have the tube that Dan Ross used to alignment the rings on his mounts (which aren't to Unertl spec). Quick, easy and accurate way to line things up. The original Unertl mounts had the rings brazed in place or whatever it would be called. On the underside of every USMC Unertl mount you can see the coloration from the heat when they brazed them.

Since you're doing a box with your mounts, it would be pretty cool to replicate the one that the mounts originally came in. Check out these photos, I can send you a close-up of the box's artwork if you're interested in trying to incorporate it into your boxed set. The Unertl boxes don't have any padding in them, the mounts were just wrapped in tissue paper. But it's probably better to add padding in you box as planned, tissue paper isn't very good at protecting things, lol. The screws and an Allen key were also provided in a small plastic bag. And that's pretty much it for the original USMC Unertl mount packages, not much to it.

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Also, for everyone who's patiently waiting for a good reproduction Unertl mount to hit the market...... good things come to those who wait.

ages, not much to it.

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Also, for everyone who's patiently waiting for a good reproduction Unertl mount to hit the market...... good things come to those who

Ive seen the mounts and compared them with the "Voldemort" kind and another variation I have
They are rock solid and probably the only thing that'll keep the dream alive!

 

[iceng]

Ive had both mounts to measure and compare. Ive tightened a few things up and put a few tweaks in (chamfer, radius clean up, etc). Nothing really "modified" from original, just cleaned up.

If i had 10 units, id get a very good idea on dimensions and tolerances. However i had to make do with a real and a fake. Guess which one i relied on.

Ive hooked up with a local company who does black oxide, and have given them info on the project and they are on board.

The single biggest issue i have currently is finding screws to screw into the receiver. I have custom made T15 torx, heat treated black oxide screws which are aussie made (not chyna junk). They are not pan head screws like original which im not custom making as i have to order 2000 at a time.

That is the only visual thing ive found so far.
This kit should have the correct screws, or similar.

The scope cap screws are correct (thread and style).

Should be ready shortly.

@USMCSGT0331 can you please get me box dimensions and some pics ? I wanna see where it seals / opens. A mate is a laser cutter and he can custom cut foam to suit, and if i can find a similar box, i will do that and get it printed to be as close as possible.

 

[iceng]

Full braze welded. Cleaned up and blasted ready for black oxide.

A round bar was clamped in, and then braze welded, to ensure the best alignment possible. LOTS of hand finishing to clean it up.

 

[mick243]

Why is a dod export permit required? Is one required for normal scope rings?

 

[corsairpilot62]

Looking great

 

[fourhourseast]

Why is a dod export permit required? Is one required for normal scope

I know we don’t need a permit buying rings from the states??

 

[BEJ762]

This is spectacular! I hope more become available. I need 8!

 

[jester_101]

I'm keen for one but may all be spoken for at this point, I'll pm though.

 

[iceng]

Australian DoD export permit is required for EVERYTHING.. think "US state dept export tax". Thats all it is.

You make clothing and wanna export it ? Yep, need a permit. You could print instructions on how to make a bomb on that shirt, and dept of defense wants to know about what underwear you have.

 

[iceng]

This is spectacular! I hope more become available. I need 8!

8 ? Farken. With interest from others and the weirdo left hander, ill look into making more. It may be simpler for me to make 10+ sets after this batch, and bulk send to a single person in USA, for postage costs / export paperwork. Could drop the cost a bit. Would need a known person to handle in US.

BUT let me finish these and let people see them and get me feed back.

 

[BEJ762]

8 ? Farken. With interest from others and the weirdo left hander, ill look into making more. It may be simpler for me to make 10+ sets after this batch, and bulk send to a single person in USA, for postage costs / export paperwork. Could drop the cost a bit. Would need a known person to handle in US.

BUT let me finish these and let people see them and get me feed back.

I have a bit of a problem. I would be happy to help if desired.

Where in aus are you?

 

[iceng]

South Aus. I know a few FFLs in US ive delt with previously, however if everyone agrees on a US "middle man", it may help. Anyone whos is getting one, etc. Hopefully boxes done this week with custom foam inserts. Then awaiting return from black oxide.. then post.

 

[USMCSGT0331]

Just a heads-up for guys here in the US, repro Unertl mounts are going to be available soon. A certain company will be making a post about it this week......

 

[Jrb572]

Just a heads-up for guys here in the US, repro Unertl mounts are going to be available soon. A certain company will be making a post about it this week......

Glad to hear that. I bet they will be quality if you are getting them made.

 

[EWXQ]

Nice looking!

 

[iceng]

all back from black oxiding. I left a few tooling / scratch imperfections on them, as the original i copied had them. No idea if they were from multiple owners or something, but its how i left them rather than "perfectly prisitine".

 

[iceng]

Just an update.
I sold out over night, HOWEVER due to bulk interest, we will be making more, and looking to get them to USA (DoD export controls.. think "ITAR").

Yes, we can make LEFT handed if required. Let me know and ill do some.

 

[Frank Green]

So I talked to iceng....

I'm thinking about committing to an order for 10pcs and get them over here. If possible I'd like to get commitments for 5 of them in doing so.

Anyone interested in one if I put the order in?

I'll also talk to him about a couple of lefty's also.

@Jrb572 and @USMCSGT0331 if you guys would chime in and pass it along and give me your thoughts.

Thanks, Frank

 

[sf180a]

I’m in on a set if possible

 

[Frank Green]

I’m in on a set if possible

Send me a pm with your name and contact info.

I'm waiting to hear back on a couple of questions I have and then I'm pretty much ready to put the order in.

Then the guys that contacted me saying they want one etc... I'll get a hold of them to enter the order information and confirm pricing etc...

Later, Frank

 

[RIGREG]

A little help, please. This base is required for a correct Unertl, Us Optics MST, or MST100 repro (if those get produced) M40A1 build?

So I’m in the quandary of spending money on a base that I may never have a scope to mount in.

Greg

 

[lizzardking308]

A little help, please. This base is required for a correct Unertl, Us Optics MST, or MST100 repro (if those get produced) M40A1 build?

So I’m in the quandary of spending money on a base that I may never have a scope to mount in.

Greg

That is correct.

 

[kft101]

A little help, please. This base is required for a correct Unertl, Us Optics MST, or MST100 repro (if those get produced) M40A1 build?

So I’m in the quandary of spending money on a base that I may never have a scope to mount in.

Greg

I mean, yes it’s a repro of the Unertl M40A1 unitized scope mount, so anyone doing a full spec clone build would want this as well as a correct Unertl 10X or MST-100. But earlier variations of the M40A1 also used the Redfield 3-9X from the Vietnam era M40s and a specific (recon?) unit even used a Weaver T10, but not with the Unertl unitized mount.

And technically, it’s “just another” scope mount. You can put whatever scope with a 1” tube that will fit into it.

 

[sf180a]

There are scopes available if you want to pay the price

 

[bildoe308]

I mean, yes it’s a repro of the Unertl M40A1 unitized scope mount, so anyone doing a full spec clone build would want this as well as a correct Unertl 10X or MST-100. But earlier variations of the M40A1 also used the Redfield 3-9X from the Vietnam era M40s and a specific (recon?) unit even used a Weaver T10, but not with the Unertl unitized mount.

And technically, it’s “just another” scope mount. You can put whatever scope with a 1” tube that will fit into it.

My bastard clone setup…if I get cold feet and don’t want to shoot the greenie, I can throw on the backup scope/base that’s been fitted to this rifle…

 

[iceng]

Can confirm @Frank Green will be point man in US. Lefty will also be made for the people who should have been beaten with a stick at a young age.

Ill update Frank directly with info on production FIRST, then this thread. May sneek a few videos in too.

 

[kft101]

My bastard clone setup…if I get cold feet and don’t want to shoot the greenie, I can throw on the backup scope/base that’s been fitted to this rifle…View attachment 8489221

Nice mount. Looks salty and legit.

 

[bildoe308]

Nice mount. Looks salty and legit.

It’s definitely salty…the 221xxx Redfield base with medium rings gives options for clone builds if you aren’t willing to wait for a reproduction base.

Either way I’m glad to see SH members showing interest in having parts made for future builds.

 

[Frank Green]

OK.... I'm capping the orders at this time. Anyone now wanting one will have to go on a future run if I can pull this all off to begin with.

I've got some more homework to do before I can make this go forward.

And I just wanted to get one mount for myself! LOL!

Later, Frank

 

[tfont48]

Dang, this all happened relatively quick. Guess I’ll wait for the next one, or LRI

 

[Frank Green]

Dang, this all happened relatively quick. Guess I’ll wait for the next one, or LRI

You can say that again.

 

[deltawiskey]

OK.... I'm capping the orders at this time. Anyone now wanting one will have to go on a future run if I can pull this all off to begin with.

I've got some more homework to do before I can make this go forward.

And I just wanted to get one mount for myself! LOL!

Later, Frank

Thank you very much for doing this Frank! I'll catch you on the next round.
DW

 

[corsairpilot62]

Any pics of ICE’s mounts in the wild?

 

[iceng]

Yep, ill get people to jump in with builds shortly. May take a day or 2, but ill contact previous customers.