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#1
So the “No China” made-in-USA movement seems To be gaining momentum. There is a large group of folks petitioning Amazon to put a made in USA filter on their search engine. And saying they won’t buy from Amazon until the filter exists.

Seems like a darn good idea to me.

If Jeff Bezos can’t tell us what is made in America then we should shop somewhere that can.

Buy American... starve a ChiCom today.

No filter. No Amazon!

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Actually I have emailed President Trump asking him to impose duties on all Chinese imports including all products from third countries with any Chinese content so that domestic products will have a lower price point than Chinese crap.

I have wrote amazon a long time ago asking for point of origin filter. I don't expect it any time soon as there is metric fuckton of money to be made hawking this crap.
 
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I agree it's a good thing right up to when American companies have to compete with extremely low Chinese labor cost and you would have to pay 5x's or more for the same product especially when a lot of the materials would still come from other countries . Creating and filling jobs that in a year that would not be sustainable . If they could do it make a profit and keep the labor at home and make the product in country at competitive prices with material from this country It would be great not to mention all the pollution those new industries would create and dump in an environment that mostly could not handle it . It would suck to start all that crap all over again so you could say a product is made in America . Id rather keep what land and water ways we have clean and safe than trade it for industrial dumping ground so a overpriced plastic toaster could be stamped made in America . Maybe its just me but I would not trade one for the other ..
 
#12
rtB said:
Not just made in USA, but save your money and buy ONE quality product. For example, if you go into Walmart, you can buy a set of 10 knives in a butcher block for 89 bucks. Fucking buy one good knife, you can make any meal you want with one good knife. And those ten knives are shit and won't cut anything anyway.
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Amen.

I think those of us on this forum are already pre-disposed to this mindset. By the time that someone is dropping a ZCO onto an AXMC, it's pretty clear that they are choosing quality over quantity. And my guess is that for many here, the same philosophy spills over into other parts of our lives.

But that's not the way the average American is wired to think. We (and I'm using the broadest form of the pronoun) have gotten used to filling our kitchens and bathrooms and home shops with large quantities of cheap shit, and that stuff is not being crafted by fellow Americans who enjoy a high standard of living. I'd like to claim immunity, but I've got a couple pieces of Chinese test gear in my electronics lab, and it's a seductive impulse.

The fix for this is to buy things that are made by those with a desireable (or at least tolerable) standard of living, who work in countries that are not strategic adversaries and/or run by despotic leaders. If your object of desire cannot be sourced domestically, at least make sure it comes from a country where you could tolerate living. Certainly those of us in the shooting community can appreciate various things that come from Japan, Great Britain, Germany, Austria, et al., and I think that's fine. Just extend the same mindset to other areas of your life, and gently encourage others to do the same.
 
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acudaowner said:
I agree it's a good thing right up to when American companies have to compete with extremely low Chinese labor cost and you would have to pay 5x's or more for the same product especially when a lot of the materials would still come from other countries . Creating and filling jobs that in a year that would not be sustainable . If they could do it make a profit and keep the labor at home and make the product in country at competitive prices with material from this country It would be great not to mention all the pollution those new industries would create and dump in an environment that mostly could not handle it . It would suck to start all that crap all over again so you could say a product is made in America . Id rather keep what land and water ways we have clean and safe than trade it for industrial dumping ground so a overpriced plastic toaster could be stamped made in America . Maybe its just me but I would not trade one for the other ..
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We have environmental laws for a reason, and it's possible to make any number of goods without dumping crap into the water or pumping the air full of pollution. Just about everything you can imagine has a way of being produced in an environmentally-friendly fashion; China simply does what it does because no one cares. We can make batteries and mold plastic parts and paint cars without risk of environmental damage.

We have plenty of manpower in the US to fill factories. Shit, we've imported 20-30M people over the past few decades pretty much with the sole purpose of suppressing wages, so we might as well put them to use. And all the various training and standardized work that came with modern manufacturing has made it easier than ever to systemically onboard and train new workers.

I'd be willing to pay my fellow Americans a higher wage to build products and accept the cost increase, because those people would in turn be able to participate in the economy themselves. As it sits right now, the vast majority of the cost benefit for building crap overseas ends up benefiting billionaires like Bezos and the Waltons. And we've also seen a reduction in labor costs over the past several decades due to automation and other production efficiency improvements. It's not like each iPhone is being hand-crafted by some Italian dude with a hammer and English wheel. The cost impact of having a Chinese person spend a few seconds clipping together some plastic parts vs. an American is surprisingly low.

All I can say is that the biggest naysayers against the "onshoring" movement are the ones who haven't stepped foot in a modern American manufacturing plant.
 
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If anyone knows of a large bag type tackle box, let me know. Went to academy sports yesterday and all bags were chicom made. They did have pelican plastic boxes made in USA, but no bags.
 
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I had hoped that a resurgence of “buy American” sentiment would become a thing after this virus mess. I’m glad to see it is gaining traction in some places.

I just hope that they find a way to make it fool-proof.....such that If it says “Made in America”, it actually is....not simply assembled in America from foreign-sources parts.
 
#16
If only we can convince folks to buy American when it comes to oil and gas too (by supporting our industry at home, not that you can easily tell where a gallon of gas you are pumping originated from).

Not that we get any from China specifically, but domestic production in the last 10 years has had a huge invisible hand in breaking the stranglehold shitheads in the middle East had on the West. And we can choose not to export any to China.
 
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Jethro3898 said:
I had hoped that a resurgence of “buy American” sentiment would become a thing after this virus mess. I’m glad to see it is gaining traction in some places.

I just hope that they find a way to make it fool-proof.....such that If it says “Made in America”, it actually is....not simply assembled in America from foreign-sources parts.
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I’m looking for a good tool cabinet for the shop right now and have realized that an American made one is going to be difficult to find. Kennedy appears to be here still but even the giant industrial Vidmar at work is “made in USA with global components” according to the badge, same as the shitty craftsman stuff Lowe’s is selling. That led me here:

www.ftc.gov

Complying with the Made in USA Standard

Introduction Basic Information About Made In USA Claims The Standard For Unqualified Made In USA Claims Qualified Claims Comparative Claims The FTC and The Customs Service Other Statutes What To Do About Violations Introduction The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) is charged with preventing
www.ftc.gov www.ftc.gov

Found a used matco locally, but I’ll have to go check it out to see if it’s actually us made.
 
#18
I feel ya, I hate China more than anyone, the problem with duties is Products made here will just get to raise prices to the level of the duty. Not really saving anything. Especially if unions are involved.

I love the intent, but it doesn’t work as simply as it should.
 
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Bender said:
I feel ya, I hate China more than anyone, the problem with duties is Products made here will just get to raise prices to the level of the duty. Not really saving anything. Especially if unions are involved.

I love the intent, but it doesn’t work as simply as it should.
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I think the correct way to look at it is prices on foreign products will rise making domestic products competitive. I think we should spend more for better made products while reducing the amount of products (largely cheap shit we don't need) we buy.

Somewhere we were sold on needing to constantly buy cheap shit for some emotional reason rather than an actual need.
 
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MtnCreek said:
I think the correct way to look at it is prices on foreign products will rise making domestic products competitive. I think we should spend more for better made products while reducing the amount of products (largely cheap shit we don't need) we buy.

Somewhere we were sold on needing to constantly buy cheap shit for some emotional reason rather than an actual need.
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You are not wrong.

at any rate. Fuck China
 
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I don’t see why country of origin couldn’t be mandated on every product listed for sale on the Internet.

I mean if they were able to include the label “this product is know to cause cancer by the Socialist Republik of Kalipornia” on every single thing ever produced, this should be easy. People need to know who’s economy they are supporting.
 
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Sean the Nailer said:
Just a reminder guys, but "Canada" produces a lot, too. I can't say anything to "Mexico", but us Canuckians are in the same boat that ya'll AmeriYanks are. "Buy Canadian/AmeriYankan/North American" ain't bad for all of us.

Thoughts?
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No problem with Canadian products (do y'all make anything other than forest products?). I'll even buy large rifle primers from the Ski's. Mex can keep their products and people.
 
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MadDuner said:
I don’t see why country of origin couldn’t be mandated on every product listed for sale on the Internet.

I mean if they were able to include the label “this product is know to cause cancer by the Socialist Republik of Kalipornia” on every single thing ever produced, this should be easy. People need to know who’s economy they are supporting.
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After FaceApp Questions, Rick Scott Wants More Transparency From Online Retailers and Apps - Florida Daily

With questions about how popular Russian-based FaceApp is handling its data, U.S. Sen. Rick Scott, R-Fla., unveiled a proposal to require online realtors disclose the country of origin of all of their products.
www.floridadaily.com www.floridadaily.com

Gotta love that this is called the PRIME Act :LOL: But yeah, this should be law.
 
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Absolutely no issue buying from Canada...or even Mexico....or Italy....or Germany. I think it is unrealistic to believe that everything can be made in our country. I mean....where other than Germany can I buy a 911 GT3 RS? Ha ha ha.

My rub is the fact that the % of goods from China is so disproportionate and they are NOT an ally. The fact that any single country has a stranglehold on another sovereign nation (specifically my nation in this instance) is a shame. It should have never gotten this far.

China wants our money, no doubt, but in the off chance they wanted to bring us to our knees, they could. The hold they have on our pharmaceutical supply is terrifying.
 
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E. Bryant said:
We have environmental laws for a reason, and it's possible to make any number of goods without dumping crap into the water or pumping the air full of pollution. Just about everything you can imagine has a way of being produced in an environmentally-friendly fashion; China simply does what it does because no one cares. We can make batteries and mold plastic parts and paint cars without risk of environmental damage.

We have plenty of manpower in the US to fill factories. Shit, we've imported 20-30M people over the past few decades pretty much with the sole purpose of suppressing wages, so we might as well put them to use. And all the various training and standardized work that came with modern manufacturing has made it easier than ever to systemically onboard and train new workers.

I'd be willing to pay my fellow Americans a higher wage to build products and accept the cost increase, because those people would in turn be able to participate in the economy themselves. As it sits right now, the vast majority of the cost benefit for building crap overseas ends up benefiting billionaires like Bezos and the Waltons. And we've also seen a reduction in labor costs over the past several decades due to automation and other production efficiency improvements. It's not like each iPhone is being hand-crafted by some Italian dude with a hammer and English wheel. The cost impact of having a Chinese person spend a few seconds clipping together some plastic parts vs. an American is surprisingly low.

All I can say is that the biggest naysayers against the "onshoring" movement are the ones who haven't stepped foot in a modern American manufacturing plant.
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Do you suppose that, if we could bring a significant portion of manufacturing back to the USA, we could see an increase in wages and better paying jobs for unskilled workers? Currently, at least in my area, the job market consists of low skilled jobs that don't pay enough for a person to survive independently and moderate paying jobs that require subtstantial amounts of experience and training to attain. Would wages improve across the board or would it just be a larger quantity of the same low paying jobs that we have now?
 
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bab029 said:
I’m looking for a good tool cabinet for the shop right now and have realized that an American made one is going to be difficult to find. Kennedy appears to be here still but even the giant industrial Vidmar at work is “made in USA with global components” according to the badge, same as the shitty craftsman stuff Lowe’s is selling. That led me here:

www.ftc.gov

Complying with the Made in USA Standard

Introduction Basic Information About Made In USA Claims The Standard For Unqualified Made In USA Claims Qualified Claims Comparative Claims The FTC and The Customs Service Other Statutes What To Do About Violations Introduction The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) is charged with preventing
www.ftc.gov www.ftc.gov

Found a used matco locally, but I’ll have to go check it out to see if it’s actually us made.
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Look into Waterloo who makes 99% of the tool boxes branded for different companies in the USA.
Mac
Snap-on
Craftsman
Etc.
Kennedy makes their own
 
#33
I won't buy Chinese labelled goods anymore, and make the effort to buy American sourced products from American manufacturers.

Unfortunately; I suspect that my intentions are probably doomed to something like or less than a 50% success rate. It's getting just about impossible to find a product for sale in this country that does not have some Chinese content.

Simply put, that Genie is out of the bottle. Moreover, the idea of bypassing Chinese input smells a lot to me like Isolationism.

The problem with Isolationism is that once it's started, where does it stop? We tried it in the late 1930's and the beginning of the 1940's. I think it helped in no small part to bring on Pearl Harbor and the deaths of far, far too many decent Americans and others. The Cold War was pure Isolationism that gave us the 'Small Wars" leading up to Vietnam; and sowing the seeds of the festering mess in the Middle East.

There is now considerable talk of a Cold War with China in the offing.

Mostly though; where and how does such Isolationism start, and do we ever really want it to stop?

I'm not saying it shouldn't happen. I'm just wondering that like the Russian Dolls, how many shells does this Chinese world strategy have, and how far are we already past the brink? The Chinese play the long game, we do everything based on an election cycle, and that's a losing strategy. To continue it is a deliberate National suicide; and many in the Nation embrace this as a realistic goal.

I think the depths of this conundrum have their origins in information manipulation and attention management, and that the true snake in the pit is first, our information media, and then, the extremist political insanity whom they slavishly serve. That cabal has no party distinction, but goes deeper, right into the roots of the entire political process.

The deeper threat is not the hold that China has on our Commerce; but the one it has on our Higher education and technological research with its benign sounding Thousand Talents program.

We are manipulated. Is it paranoia to suggest we're not, and will never be, in control of our own destinies for as long as we slavishly adhere to the failed democratic process?

Lofty and fresh in its basic concept; democracy has been perverted to a stage where it simply exists to placate and sooth a powerless electorate. Money is its root, and political advertising is its financial fuel source. Its appeal is so like Communism's that today that the differences have become more and more a matter of mere details.

Democracy itself has become the crushing tool of whatever it is that we call a New World Order.

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We do not need full-on isolationism--we just need to put enough tariffs on things we can make to bring imported items up to the price they would cost if made here with decent pay, benefits, safety, and quality. Then we set up local trading partners for what we lack the raw materials for making. Expand out only as necessary. Better for us and the environment. Prices will go up but that should be offset by the benefits including products that last as in the past.
 
#35
I never have and never will by anything from Amazon, Jeff Bezos is nothing more than a liberal Seattle douchbag, if they do have something saying made in USA you have about a 50-50 chance it's some chines knock off, amazon just built a new distribution center where I live it's about 1'000'000 SF full of china shit. if something says imported on it usually china I pass, if you do some research you can usually find what you are looking for made in USA or at least not made in china, the idea that US manufacturers will just dump industrial waste down every sewer manhole or storm drain and deliberately pollute our land air and water is just pure horseshit, this the kind of fucked up thinking that got us where we are today.
 
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This is a company doing America first casual clothing. Everything is sourced from American producers, starting with the cotton and synthetics they use, made into fabric here, cut and sewn here. Was founded by a guy who wanted to make clothing as durable as his grandfather's sweatshirts, which was their first product, a hoodie.

www.american-giant.com

American Made Clothing & Activewear | American Giant

Discover American made essentials, activewear and accessories for men and women. Shop durable hoodies, tees, pants, leggings & more from American Giant.
www.american-giant.com www.american-giant.com
 
#37
Taking back manufacturing of all different products from China will be a one at a time endeavor. But it will be strategically important in the long run. As was said, the pharmaceutical industry needs to be domestic also.

The company I work for started manufacturing it’s own generator enclosures when the tariffs were added to Chinese products we bought. It’s by far the best thing we’ve done. We now have control over our own delivery schedules and quality control. It is absolutely true that Trump’s efforts gave us the opportunity to do so. If our efforts to replace Chinese manufacturing with Domestic produced products can keep going in all areas - our country will be much stronger in so many different ways.

Just like the tariffs, we need to make it painful to not buy domestic products - to the point it incentivizes domestic production of everything. Put more people to work. Make our country stronger and less dependent on other countries that can exploit their positions when we are most vulnerable.
 
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Several years ago a hide member was building a home and chose to source only
made in the USA materials.
From memory he even had a blacksmith make some steel anchors as he had trouble
sourcing a US version.
I believe the total difference was less than 10% at that time in added cost.
We've been bullshitted into the idea that the China version is much cheaper.
It only starts that way, once the competition is eliminated prices usually good back
to previous levels.(this doesn't include the blatant junk)

R
 
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Roslyn said:
This is a company doing America first casual clothing. Everything is sourced from American producers, starting with the cotton and synthetics they use, made into fabric here, cut and sewn here. Was founded by a guy who wanted to make clothing as durable as his grandfather's sweatshirts, which was their first product, a hoodie.

www.american-giant.com

American Made Clothing & Activewear | American Giant

Discover American made essentials, activewear and accessories for men and women. Shop durable hoodies, tees, pants, leggings & more from American Giant.
www.american-giant.com www.american-giant.com
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Thanks for the link, both Woolrich and the territory ahead where I bought tee's from seem to have went away.
Oh yeah, fuck china
 
#40
I hate making any any one business rich. Have I bought off of Amazon, yes. Have I been a Wally World hoar, yes. Have I bought Harbor Freight, shit tools, yes. Have I bought Craftsman/Snap-on tools, yes.
I just think the time has come to start investing more into this Country again. Big Business, better start taking note, because, I think, with the shit that's going on now, people are going to start re-evaluating how they spend their money, once we start making it again.
This is going to be a "reset" for America as a whole, if not, well it's going to suck more, in the days to come. I'm not for total World Isolation, but I think we need to worry about our Homeland first, instead of worrying about every other nation in the world. Let them take care of themselves for once.
I remember a manufacturing class I had in H.S. in the 70's, The only product we could not make, was chrome. All other minerals/ore/processing, we could do here, what happened? The EPA was given total control and restricted manufacturing so much, we had to go offshore. We need to get the wheels turning again and not be so reliant on any other country, for anything. This predicament we're in right now, should have taught us a very valuable lesson. Mac
 
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10ring'r said:
I hate making any any one business rich. Have I bought off of Amazon, yes. Have I been a Wally World hoar, yes. Have I bought Harbor Freight, shit tools, yes. Have I bought Craftsman/Snap-on tools, yes.
I just think the time has come to start investing more into this Country again. Big Business, better start taking note, because, I think, with the shit that's going on now, people are going to start re-evaluating how they spend their money, once we start making it again.
This is going to be a "reset" for America as a whole, if not, well it's going to suck more, in the days to come. I'm not for total World Isolation, but I think we need to worry about our Homeland first, instead of worrying about every other nation in the world. Let them take care of themselves for once.
I remember a manufacturing class I had in H.S. in the 70's, The only product we could not make, was chrome. All other minerals/ore/processing, we could do here, what happened? The EPA was given total control and restricted manufacturing so much, we had to go offshore. We need to get the wheels turning again and not be so reliant on any other country, for anything. This predicament we're in right now, should have taught us a very valuable lesson. Mac
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The oil embargo back in the 70’s put a sour taste in everyone’s mouth that had to deal with. It took us what 40+ years to get to the point of being completely energy independent? This “fix” won’t happen overnight, and you know full well that the people who have become rich by exploiting American needs and Chinese cheap labor will not simply roll over and accept being pushed away from the trough. It will be a fight the entire way. Consumers have to want and be willing to spend more for American made products, and to do that they need to become educated about the benefits. Government has a huge role to play in this also. If a politician is being paid to represent China instead of America - then they need to be voted out of office pronto. Again, it’s an education thing. And you know the propaganda war will be escalating over it also.

Buy American.
Buy today!
 
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US government and states are taxing consumers too much. By simple calculation, when price for the U.S. made goods gets specified, it actually includes 45-50% of taxes collected by the government on federal and state levels. So, when you buy "Made in the U.S." products, you actually pay a lot to the federal and state governments. Just consider - there are taxes on raw materials, then taxes on parts made from these raw materials, than taxes on companies assembling parts into the finished products, etc. All of this stuff must be accounted for...Then, there are lot of other expenses that the domestic manufacturer HAS to pay to be able to run its business. It is crazy how much money is being taken by the current system of taxation.

And by the way - did any of you ever see any PCs and related components made in the U.S. in the last 25 years? I've been building my own computers for at least 35 years. Except for the original IBM PCs and some IBM PC variants of early 1980s, nothing PC related was made in the U.S. Anybody got any realistic idea how to fix it? Same with TVs, phones and just about everything else that uses AC or DC current...
 
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bab029 said:
I’m looking for a good tool cabinet for the shop right now and have realized that an American made one is going to be difficult to find. Kennedy appears to be here still but even the giant industrial Vidmar at work is “made in USA with global components” according to the badge, same as the shitty craftsman stuff Lowe’s is selling. That led me here:

www.ftc.gov

Complying with the Made in USA Standard

Introduction Basic Information About Made In USA Claims The Standard For Unqualified Made In USA Claims Qualified Claims Comparative Claims The FTC and The Customs Service Other Statutes What To Do About Violations Introduction The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) is charged with preventing
www.ftc.gov www.ftc.gov

Found a used matco locally, but I’ll have to go check it out to see if it’s actually us made.
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How about a wooden tool chest made by a local cabinet maker? All of the old machinist chests were made this way and some of them are highly coveted. Plus you can support a local business at the same time.
 
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dijimmer said:
How about a wooden tool chest made by a local cabinet maker? All of the old machinist chests were made this way and some of them are highly coveted. Plus you can support a local business at the same time.
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I like that idea. I bought a chinesium one off the craigslist. But I do need a nice top box still. I pass a place on the way to work sometimes, need to stop in.
 
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blog.extremehowto.com

Building Homes with Products Made in the USA

MILLS RIVER, N.C. - Made in the USA Day on July 2nd serves as the ideal time to focus on the benefits of constructing homes with Made in America products. According to the National
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www.finehomebuilding.com

Building Homes with American-Made Materials Could Save the Economy - Fine Homebuilding

A Bozeman builder suggests that "building American" can stimulate the economy
www.finehomebuilding.com www.finehomebuilding.com

My remodel is 100% made in America baby.................................................
 
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So mostly chi-com Athlon and Vortex optics no bueno now?

Very few optics made in US now days most is just branded stuff some of the higher end stuff is assembled in US ,very few made in US
 
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