There is some truth to that. For example the EPA has put virtually all leather tanners in the US out of business. So leather has to be sent elsewhere (typically Mexico) to be tanned. Then companies like lazy boy buy the leather from Mexican tanneries. We could relax the EPA rules to allow the us tanning industry to be rebuilt, but if we decide to do that please not up wind from my house, damm those places stink.
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There is some truth to that. For example the EPA has put virtually all leather tanners in the US out of business. So leather has to be sent elsewhere (typically Mexico) to be tanned. Then companies like lazy boy buy the leather from Mexican tanneries. We could relax the EPA rules to allow the us tanning industry to be rebuilt, but if we decide to do that please not up wind from my house, damm those places stink.
I totally believe on the intent in this thread. I believe that the American consumer would weigh Made in America against other product variables such as Cost, Design, Trend, Brand, etc...
The problem is the Chester Law of 1998. https://chester-law.com/made-usa-basics/
So, you have a company (someone said Channel-Locks...) All (used) to be made in PA. Let's call it... XYZ... you are family owned and started in 1940ish and you built a nice business up with production.
Over the years you have built out your product line and brand equity with the consumer. You are in the TOP 3 of your field.
You have a global supply chain feeding your factory raw materials.
Steel - Domestic (Shipping)
Plastic Pellets - Domestic or Global depending on Plastic Need (Oil & NG)
Labor is USA
You calculate that each product is between 94 - 96% USA Costing
You proudly put MADE IN USA and ship....
BOOM... one of your competitors files a lawsuit with the FTC challenging your claim. (even though they may import ALL of their product).
FTC issues Cease and Desist.
You round out your lawyers and cost/benefit the win/loss. Oh, by the way... FTC is going to ask you for all of your Bill of Materials, Manufacturing Costs, Suppliers, Costing to the nth part. And guess what, that becomes discovery and public after the trial. Your competitors and your customers are going to know to the last red cent how much money it costs you, how much markup to your customer and retailers you are making... EVERYTHING....
Not to mention the legal bills and all the dirt to be slung... Oh.. and if the FTC makes some determination like... "You sometimes procure Plastic Pellets from Malaysia.... that is available here in the US... so you can't really make that claim because "all or virtually all of your product is not sources from USA".
Yeah, you buy that supplier when your domestic supplier is out after they switch refinery sludge during a seasonal time of year....
That's why the idiots in Congress are not idiots at all. They know.... they write this Country of Origin stuff to be "determined later".
Oh, and there has been attempts for 3rd Parties to Certify MUSA content... but you know if the Big 6 Firms will not got near that type of Audit due to liability... no one is going to Guarantee that.
Throw out the Chester Law. Demand the FTC input a Certified Board of Governors for MUSA Certificates. Definite Guidelines with common sense rules for raw material procurement. No lobbying. Submit each UPC for determination with Variable Cost Inputs and no one but the BOG see's that and whichever Big 6 Accounting Firms is used to Audit. (If they can keep Cayman Island Slush Funds Secret, they can do this too..)
Now,... there are only 4 of the Big 6 and many boutiques auditors... but you get the idea.
The problem is the Chester Law of 1998. https://chester-law.com/made-usa-basics/
So, you have a company (someone said Channel-Locks...) All (used) to be made in PA. Let's call it... XYZ... you are family owned and started in 1940ish and you built a nice business up with production.
Over the years you have built out your product line and brand equity with the consumer. You are in the TOP 3 of your field.
You have a global supply chain feeding your factory raw materials.
Steel - Domestic (Shipping)
Plastic Pellets - Domestic or Global depending on Plastic Need (Oil & NG)
Labor is USA
You calculate that each product is between 94 - 96% USA Costing
You proudly put MADE IN USA and ship....
BOOM... one of your competitors files a lawsuit with the FTC challenging your claim. (even though they may import ALL of their product).
FTC issues Cease and Desist.
You round out your lawyers and cost/benefit the win/loss. Oh, by the way... FTC is going to ask you for all of your Bill of Materials, Manufacturing Costs, Suppliers, Costing to the nth part. And guess what, that becomes discovery and public after the trial. Your competitors and your customers are going to know to the last red cent how much money it costs you, how much markup to your customer and retailers you are making... EVERYTHING....
Not to mention the legal bills and all the dirt to be slung... Oh.. and if the FTC makes some determination like... "You sometimes procure Plastic Pellets from Malaysia.... that is available here in the US... so you can't really make that claim because "all or virtually all of your product is not sources from USA".
Yeah, you buy that supplier when your domestic supplier is out after they switch refinery sludge during a seasonal time of year....
That's why the idiots in Congress are not idiots at all. They know.... they write this Country of Origin stuff to be "determined later".
Oh, and there has been attempts for 3rd Parties to Certify MUSA content... but you know if the Big 6 Firms will not got near that type of Audit due to liability... no one is going to Guarantee that.
Throw out the Chester Law. Demand the FTC input a Certified Board of Governors for MUSA Certificates. Definite Guidelines with common sense rules for raw material procurement. No lobbying. Submit each UPC for determination with Variable Cost Inputs and no one but the BOG see's that and whichever Big 6 Accounting Firms is used to Audit. (If they can keep Cayman Island Slush Funds Secret, they can do this too..)
Now,... there are only 4 of the Big 6 and many boutiques auditors... but you get the idea.
The real question that has to be answered first is if the underlying business model will support higher wages. If not, then no; this is basic math every business has to deal with. There ARE jobs for those without skills, but they aren't as prolific as they used to be - the world has moved on and we as a country need to hold ourselves to a higher standard. Especially on the manufacturing side. One turd in the punchbowl of low skill employment is automation - its answers two questions: "where the hell are they its an hour past start time" and the quality issues that come from humans doing necessary but boring, repetitive tasks that can standardized. In China and India they can just throw humans at the issue. Not here, and automation helps keep corporations here competitive. It is a necessary component.
Low paying, low skilled jobs may be from dying industries with low margins or people who choose not to get the skills they need to better themselves. The first one is economic circumstances from whatever source. The second is completely the end user's fault unless they are mentally impaired. I don't consider being a democrat or lazy as being mental impairment for this discussion. I'm not going to pay a half-motivated person more than what they are worth. In reality, I'm going to be looking for their replacement and the first opportunity to help them visualize the hinges on the front door. I used to be sympathetic but have been taken advantage of enough times now that I have learned my lesson. Go screw off on your own time or find another job if you can. Character matters.
Along another line: China supplies more raw material to private companies supplying products for our nation's defense than most know. Squeeze to tight too quickly and problems will ensue. Not everything is captured under DFARS.
I distinctly remember my first day in college. The dean told us that our destiny was in our hands, sleeping in class was a form of absenteeism and not being able to answer a question at any time in the semester was a zero for a quarter of our semester grade. Those standards were non-negotiable. He then spent the next week explaining how the US economy was going to be services-centric from now on. He wasn't wrong for the last 30 years. But I remember thinking that was a very bad thing because we couldn't make our own shit. I wasn't wrong either. Today I directly compete with China in the manufacturing sector and it can be tough since I don't have slave labor...
This post may rub some wrong, but I can tell you this is how it is. We as Americans need to not only buy American but hold ourselves and each other up to higher standards. THAT is what truly will make America great again. Wooden spoons, belts and lawn duty need to be back in vogue.
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When it comes to 'low wages slave labor' its pure bullshit ,China is not even contender in Asia anymore not today, not a decade ago most other Asian countries have much cheaper labour force, fucking Mexico has cheaper labor force than China since 2011 , Chinas main advantage is the 'can do' business environment , where business trumps any environmental or other red tape ,they also have plenty enough mid to low level engineers to do most of the foot work something countries like Vietnam or Mexico don't have in comparable numbers ,also you can have factories built and running way quicker than anywhere else , they have more production robots that most . Chinas industrial might, is unrivalled stuff is not made there for labor cost but industrial capacity., and very importantly they now have huge domestic market making manufacturing there lucrative for the foreign companies.Not far in the future many corporations will consider Chinese market their most important and will act accordingly , bending over backwards as much as chinese need them.
Pivot from China will not be easy and definitely manufacturing is not coming back to US at best it will end up in Mexico at worst most will stay in China while some low value manufacturing that is harder to fully automatise like textiles will continue relocating to countries with much much lower labor costs(that has already been going on for past 2 decades) .
But first if you want any chance of this gaining traction Wall Street needs to muzzled and reigned it. but that is not happening , Washington has not moved a inch to even propose any legislation regarding WS ,fictionalisation of economy has since 1980s kicked manufacturing to the curb and it has no chance of ever coming back on any notable scale.
* no china is not supplying much raw materials to US manufacturing but actual parts and components ,sub assemblies .
Pivot from China will not be easy and definitely manufacturing is not coming back to US at best it will end up in Mexico at worst most will stay in China while some low value manufacturing that is harder to fully automatise like textiles will continue relocating to countries with much much lower labor costs(that has already been going on for past 2 decades) .
But first if you want any chance of this gaining traction Wall Street needs to muzzled and reigned it. but that is not happening , Washington has not moved a inch to even propose any legislation regarding WS ,fictionalisation of economy has since 1980s kicked manufacturing to the curb and it has no chance of ever coming back on any notable scale.
* no china is not supplying much raw materials to US manufacturing but actual parts and components ,sub assemblies .
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The definition of raw materials depends upon what you are calling "raw", and China IS supplying quite a bit of it - think aluminum and steel as an example. That was the focus of Trump's original tariffs. Prices went up at least 25% on those items. China and India were the most impacted. But then the US raw material suppliers upped their rates and many just stayed with China because they were still cheaper and the increased cost was passed onto the customer who (mostly) understood and paid for it. Bar, plate and pipe are not parts or components - they need machining to get there. Material for a 3D printer is not a component within a finished good; it needs to be fabricated into a component. In accounting terms you have a Bill of Materials - raw stock, components, assemblies and finished goods. Each rolls up into the other. China still delivers to the US significantly in all of those categories.
You are correct about their capacity vs Vietnam and the like - when companies tried to go to Vietnam during the first tarriffs it was soon discovered that it simply does not have the capacity. It would take quite a few counties to offset what China as a whole can provide. That means the cheaper labor force is not even a factor worth discussing if they can't provide the required capacity. Therefore, China is still the cheapest labor force. It sucks but that's where we are at.
You are correct about their capacity vs Vietnam and the like - when companies tried to go to Vietnam during the first tarriffs it was soon discovered that it simply does not have the capacity. It would take quite a few counties to offset what China as a whole can provide. That means the cheaper labor force is not even a factor worth discussing if they can't provide the required capacity. Therefore, China is still the cheapest labor force. It sucks but that's where we are at.
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Ok that goes as well even tough it not in an ore form but a finished or semifinished component, but stuff i meant are electronics, optical elements in some of these fields we are loosing domestic know how as folks retire and manufacturing vanishes because of that. A Friend of mine that works in R&D for a laser manufacturer sees huge increase in chinese parts like diodes, fiber, prisms and mirrors replacing domestic product ,and it came to stage you cant restart domestic manufacturing even if you wanted. Similar stuff is happening in optics , for example some product get phased out simply because the folks that made some of it retired and there is no follow on. That is happening in many industries that have relatively small and old talent pool (Nuclear tech comes to mind ).
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Write your scopemakers and tell them you want glass from good allies... like Japan and Germany who know what it means to get their asses kicked by us.
And they are not ChiCom's.
Cheers,
Sirhr
P.S. What do they make in Canada anyway? Chilliwack cassettes? Beachcombers reruns? Freeze-dried Arctic Survival Poutine? Bricklins? Oh, well, not those. Sorry, Sean.
And Seal fur. They also smell like Molsons and Benson and Hedges.
Cutco knives fucking RULE. I'll put them up against any premium German or Japanese knife.
All good points @Mr.BR and @lariat. I think if we were to pull the experience on this forum, we could definitely get this country right.
We are a disposable-consumer driven economy now... If it breaks, it is so cheap I can get another.
Let something disrupt that by lowering Disposable Income or Supply of cheap goods... wait... like the COVID-19 virus? No tin foil hat here... but it is a defining event.
Maybe people will start realizing that they don't need trinkets and trash and start saving and reversing the 80's consumer debt boom.
Then, they will want "luxury" price points for their goods that could be filled by American Made companies. Buy once, cry once... works for Scopes, works for anything that is no disposable, right?
That's what COULD happen if it unfolds that way. We all know that Mass Retailers have driven all small retailers out of business, but the internet will do the same thing to the Mass Retailers.
People will want to buy Direct from Factory. Factory will want to sell it to them, because they get retail margins on their wholesale cost. And, the consumer will deal with the company directly... instead of the 1-800-SERVICE of the retailer.
And the American people will not understand broken Chinese (or well spoken Queens English for that matter).
Interesting times.... but that is what people have said for eons, right?
We are a disposable-consumer driven economy now... If it breaks, it is so cheap I can get another.
Let something disrupt that by lowering Disposable Income or Supply of cheap goods... wait... like the COVID-19 virus? No tin foil hat here... but it is a defining event.
Maybe people will start realizing that they don't need trinkets and trash and start saving and reversing the 80's consumer debt boom.
Then, they will want "luxury" price points for their goods that could be filled by American Made companies. Buy once, cry once... works for Scopes, works for anything that is no disposable, right?
That's what COULD happen if it unfolds that way. We all know that Mass Retailers have driven all small retailers out of business, but the internet will do the same thing to the Mass Retailers.
People will want to buy Direct from Factory. Factory will want to sell it to them, because they get retail margins on their wholesale cost. And, the consumer will deal with the company directly... instead of the 1-800-SERVICE of the retailer.
And the American people will not understand broken Chinese (or well spoken Queens English for that matter).
Interesting times.... but that is what people have said for eons, right?
Enjoyed and loved my Can-Am Spyder. Would like to own one of the Maverick or Commander sxs's.
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EPA, OSHA, are good in principle. But they are way overboard; baby with bathwater overboard. They need to be reined back in to reflect a new reality.
The CCPV-19 has clearly redefined our entire outlook, and some good can come of it. The good will come from the pushback that is ramping up over the dicatatorial aspect non-elected agencies have assumed. Agency heads are the delegates to whom executive and legislative entities have fobbed off the indelicate and inglorious missions inherent in our state. They get the bit in their teeth and incrementally overwhelm the objects of their ministrations. In short, they are a reflection of what's wrong with Congress, et al.; the inmates are ruinning the asylum; and maybe soon, the prison, too.
It reminds me of a Scout Leader at an adult leadership training session I was running in the 1970's. He seriously commented that Scouting 'was a wonderful program, if we could just get rid of all those damned kids'.
This perfectly defined a genuine mindset that probably exists in the bureaucracies.
Greg
The CCPV-19 has clearly redefined our entire outlook, and some good can come of it. The good will come from the pushback that is ramping up over the dicatatorial aspect non-elected agencies have assumed. Agency heads are the delegates to whom executive and legislative entities have fobbed off the indelicate and inglorious missions inherent in our state. They get the bit in their teeth and incrementally overwhelm the objects of their ministrations. In short, they are a reflection of what's wrong with Congress, et al.; the inmates are ruinning the asylum; and maybe soon, the prison, too.
It reminds me of a Scout Leader at an adult leadership training session I was running in the 1970's. He seriously commented that Scouting 'was a wonderful program, if we could just get rid of all those damned kids'.
This perfectly defined a genuine mindset that probably exists in the bureaucracies.
Greg
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Along those lines, here are some historical gems for you...
It’s time to stop the EPA’s overreach - Washington Examiner
Today, the Environmental Protection Agency is one of the most powerful and most feared regulatory agencies in the country. What was originally intended to be an agency with a relatively modest charter has become much more powerful. The EPA is now claiming unrestrained authority to issue...
www.washingtonexaminer.com
EPA’s New Water Rule Is Even Worse than Farmers Feared
The EPA finally released its new “clean water” rule and actually managed to make it worse than we expected.
wfbf.com
I’m a huge supporter of made in the US and gladly pay premium for it when it’s an available option
obviously there are some items that are hard to tell where they are sourced from and others that you just simply won’t find made here.
years ago Walmart tried a Made in the USA section. It flopped. Why, in part because Americans have become addicted to cheap shit. They like going into Fn Walmart and buying a pack of Tshirts for 8.99. How many here would scoff at paying $50 for a Patagonia Tshirt made in the states warranties and it will last and when it finally uglies out you can send it back to them for a credit and buy a new one.
we can’t match China dollar for dollar. Right now innovation isn t there to drive the cost low enough and maintain a reasonable ecological impact level to beet them on price.
but American consumerism can shift buy one $50 shirt that will last 10 years and is serviceable instead of 5 $10 shirts that will last 4 years And are throw always.
like buying shoes I seek shoes and boots that can be properly repaired. Yea even glued in soles can be repaired but not as well. You pay more up front but you get what you pay for
obviously there are some items that are hard to tell where they are sourced from and others that you just simply won’t find made here.
years ago Walmart tried a Made in the USA section. It flopped. Why, in part because Americans have become addicted to cheap shit. They like going into Fn Walmart and buying a pack of Tshirts for 8.99. How many here would scoff at paying $50 for a Patagonia Tshirt made in the states warranties and it will last and when it finally uglies out you can send it back to them for a credit and buy a new one.
we can’t match China dollar for dollar. Right now innovation isn t there to drive the cost low enough and maintain a reasonable ecological impact level to beet them on price.
but American consumerism can shift buy one $50 shirt that will last 10 years and is serviceable instead of 5 $10 shirts that will last 4 years And are throw always.
like buying shoes I seek shoes and boots that can be properly repaired. Yea even glued in soles can be repaired but not as well. You pay more up front but you get what you pay for
As a small business owner, I can tell you China will not be out of the picture until something replaces alibaba...I'm astounded that amazon has not pushed for a b2b marketplace to compete with them. I would love to manufacture products in the USA (or anywhere but China, perhaps India?) but its pretty fucking hard not to...
Cheap shit is a way to subsidise Americas poors while WS still make $$ on it ,in a way Vietnamese sweatshop helps keep the illusion they are middle class , take cheap shit and junk credit away and you might you as well have teleported them to Mexico .
For made in US you have to pay workers more first not just the fucks at WallStreet , those you have to start sending to prison together with the political class that serves them. Real money not 101 types of debt (junk debt like that is only possible in hyper financialised economy ) that is being used to encourage the havenots to spend and spend.
Note that decoupling more or less coincides with FED going full fiat and financialisation of economy. Its not coming back ever as the moneyed class have no incentive in that , money has newer been easyer to make for them as now.
Now a mandatory rant.
Latest in US 'rona packages even includes the bailout for the lobbyists (by proxy the politicans themselves), can robbery get any more open and no one is batting an eyelash . So far 'rona legislation just shows sheeple can fucked over and there is virtualy no limit to bending over backwards sheeple are willing to do.
Folks are beyond stupid , on one side you see dwindling base of the democratic faithfulls still chanting Russian puppet orange man bad while they are being robbed blind and cheated again by the Democrats , the other side is no less stupid, some wet their pants every time DJT mouths some BS , total blindness to robbery that is one going done by the Republicans , Chinaman WHO Bad seems to be the bone for the dumbfucks . Chinaman WHO Bad is no more relevant than Russian pupet Orange man bad as the robbery in progress is fully domestic play by established players thatyou will again wote into the offices time and time again (shit is so rigged that losing a seat in Congress or Senate is less likely than losing one in CCP) ,Chinaman or WHO blowing a whistle a month or two or year before would not change anything as no one would have prepared any better than they did now that is just a nature of the beast .
For made in US you have to pay workers more first not just the fucks at WallStreet , those you have to start sending to prison together with the political class that serves them. Real money not 101 types of debt (junk debt like that is only possible in hyper financialised economy ) that is being used to encourage the havenots to spend and spend.
Note that decoupling more or less coincides with FED going full fiat and financialisation of economy. Its not coming back ever as the moneyed class have no incentive in that , money has newer been easyer to make for them as now.
Now a mandatory rant.
Latest in US 'rona packages even includes the bailout for the lobbyists (by proxy the politicans themselves), can robbery get any more open and no one is batting an eyelash . So far 'rona legislation just shows sheeple can fucked over and there is virtualy no limit to bending over backwards sheeple are willing to do.
Folks are beyond stupid , on one side you see dwindling base of the democratic faithfulls still chanting Russian puppet orange man bad while they are being robbed blind and cheated again by the Democrats , the other side is no less stupid, some wet their pants every time DJT mouths some BS , total blindness to robbery that is one going done by the Republicans , Chinaman WHO Bad seems to be the bone for the dumbfucks . Chinaman WHO Bad is no more relevant than Russian pupet Orange man bad as the robbery in progress is fully domestic play by established players thatyou will again wote into the offices time and time again (shit is so rigged that losing a seat in Congress or Senate is less likely than losing one in CCP) ,Chinaman or WHO blowing a whistle a month or two or year before would not change anything as no one would have prepared any better than they did now that is just a nature of the beast .
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I'm not exactly pleased with my made in the USA Whirpool stuff. And it wasn't the cheap shit - but I blame the engineers more than the assembler. That said I just ordered some ordinary pliers - a pair of skinnier (thickness) from Proto and a "normal" set from SK. Now, the Proto is nicer than the crap one finds at Big Box Orange/Blue (esp Blue), but the SK is absolutely amazing. The slip joint "peg" is machined in a manner that it's completely flush with the tool itself and not like a nut that's been welded onto a bolt. Both made in USA. Thank goodness Ideal bought SK and saved them from extinction (for now).
This is why having an honest to goodness real policy on Africa is vital. Africa holds many of these precious materials and we're just ceding all those countries to China. I'm not talking being a colonial power, but developing a trade relationship that betters both nations. Of course, no president has ever been serious about that. Or not one in my knowledge bank.
Amazon is far to predatory to do that.
https://promarket.org/2019/08/23/ho...rs-and-result-in-higher-prices-for-consumers/
inthesetimes.com
Once Africa becomes a supply hub with 'fast' connections to the world, these kind of 'ronas will be annual occurrence ,'heart of darkness' is a home to virus biodiversity that makes Wuhan wet markets look like clinically clean and unlike this KungFlu many of those are truly deadly.
https://promarket.org/2019/08/23/ho...rs-and-result-in-higher-prices-for-consumers/
Is Amazon Violating U.S. Antitrust Laws? This Law Student Thinks He Has Evidence.
Amazon's reports of low--or zero--profits have long raised suspicions that it's selling below cost to build a global monopoly.
inthesetimes.com
Once Africa becomes a supply hub with 'fast' connections to the world, these kind of 'ronas will be annual occurrence ,'heart of darkness' is a home to virus biodiversity that makes Wuhan wet markets look like clinically clean and unlike this KungFlu many of those are truly deadly.
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Now google Amazon
Although Amazon has clocked staggering growth, it generates meager profits, choosing to price below-cost and expand widely instead , as the business model is about squeezing out any competition at any cost , its basically in business of destroying small,medium,large competition and domestics jobs and substitute as much as they can with cheap 3rd world products. At first its great for the customer as the prices plummet , but once Amazon gains the monopoly position prices come back up ,and by hooking customers into its Prime ecosystem, sharply reduces the chances they will shop around in the future.
Amazon makes Chinese seem like good honest Businessmen
Corona only boosted its position as now as the top Stock is hurt economy they are unlikely to be reigned in or broken up ,instead they can now go full in Recoup mode ,ramping up prices to to finally make big $$
https://promarket.org/2019/08/23/ho...rs-and-result-in-higher-prices-for-consumers/
Although Amazon has clocked staggering growth, it generates meager profits, choosing to price below-cost and expand widely instead , as the business model is about squeezing out any competition at any cost , its basically in business of destroying small,medium,large competition and domestics jobs and substitute as much as they can with cheap 3rd world products. At first its great for the customer as the prices plummet , but once Amazon gains the monopoly position prices come back up ,and by hooking customers into its Prime ecosystem, sharply reduces the chances they will shop around in the future.
Amazon makes Chinese seem like good honest Businessmen
Corona only boosted its position as now as the top Stock is hurt economy they are unlikely to be reigned in or broken up ,instead they can now go full in Recoup mode ,ramping up prices to to finally make big $$
https://promarket.org/2019/08/23/ho...rs-and-result-in-higher-prices-for-consumers/
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So can we completely mock and shun anyone in the optics and equipment forums that ask about anything non USA made?
Asking for a friend.
Asking for a friend.
This was/is exactly Walmarts original business model. I remember it specifically being mentioned in business school (bet you faggots didnt think I went to business school, did you?)
Basically have an expansion phase where you identify the local competition and pricing, and directly undercut everything price wise especially the things the local hardware shops and the like carry. Get people to the point of coming in due to price and then they buy other shit while they're there. Don't turn much of a profit or even post loses because you can sustain them (and its planned for) giving the local competition the option of lowering prices below yours (they cant) or to just close up. The irony here is that it mainly wasn't even an apples to apples comparisan, but rather more expensive and higher quality Made in USA products versus garbage Made in China stuff at 1/5 the cost.
This effectively chokes out anything local that isn't a large regional/national chain. Some of them will pull out as they dont even want to deal with your shit.
Then slowly raise prices a bit at a time because the stupid as shit price fixated USA consumer has now allowed themselves to be painted into a corner with you as their only option.
Ever notice how Walmart is rarely the cheapest on anything that isn't absolute garbage? Notice how the prices on Amazon arent that great anymore?
Not for nothing but the same people that are saying BUY AMERICAN are walking around in foreign made clothes, Carolina work boots and drive a toyota and nissan. It sickens me. I get made fun of for buying redwing 2218 work boots that are now made to order which is gay but they cost 380 dollars shipped. They ask me why im dumb enough to pay such moneys when i can get the same thing from carolina or timberland. Everybody wants something for nothing, they have gotten use to paying dirt cheap for something and when not if it breaks they will another cheap piece of shit whether its a week later or every 6 months instead of buying once and crying once and having it for a long time. I get the same bullshit about snap on tools. Geez guy u can get samething from craftsman(made in china) or harbor freight(even worse garbage from china)
Here is another 100% American company.... Everything is American, from the cotton used to the construction...
originmaine.com
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Discover the next big brand in America - Origin! From dirt to shirt, our Maine-based factories produce top-quality workwear, streetwear, and fightwear.
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Maybe it means that, but not really for me. I am usually ready to suggest that boycotts never work, and my thinking on that hasn't changed. People still buy according to their conscience (in some small way, anyway). I won't be telling folks to do anything different. That's what the Libs do; demanding we halt our own way of thinking and conform to theirs.
As for my own buying; I lean toward American made. But I also still seek the lower price point. It's conflicted, but I'm thinking that's about the norm.
The outcome of this trade issue is not going to be simple and clean cut.
Greg
I dont mind buying quality products from over
Seas but the problem is junk garbage to undermine american made products. Like the rip off atlas bipods that look rite but are complete trash and idiots see them and say yes ill take that for 20 bucks its gotta be as good as a 300 bipod and then get bent when it aint
Seas but the problem is junk garbage to undermine american made products. Like the rip off atlas bipods that look rite but are complete trash and idiots see them and say yes ill take that for 20 bucks its gotta be as good as a 300 bipod and then get bent when it aint
I think it's a self-correcting issue. If somebody spends little money and gets junk garbage, which will not perform as expected, next time this somebody will likely consider this sad experience and choose other options.
Ive seen people buy junk time after time. Like buying tools from harbor frieght they just dont care. Alot of people run vortex scopes and there made overseas alot of high end tvs and cameras are made over seas so they can make decent stuff its the garbage that undermines usa products
