Manners EH1 vs McMillan Game Scout Weight

[treillw]

Just got off the phone with Manners and McMillan talking about stock weights. I frequently hear people say that the advertised weight doesn't match the product that they end up receiving, so I wanted to see if anybody had any information to verify what I was told.

Manners EH1 - 26 oz
McMillan Game Scout or Game Warden (weigh the same) - 28-32oz

Does this sound right? I thought the Game Scout was supposed to be lighter than the EH1??

Thanks!

 

[lash]

One thing to keep in mind is that all of the listed weights on Manners' site are before all extras are added, such as adjustable cheek piece and hardware, flush cup or swivel mount hardware, mini chassis, bottom metal, rails and rail mounts, etc. It's a rare person that doesn't add one or many more of these things to their stock during ordering.

 

[treillw]

Thanks for pointing that out. I will be adding the same options to either stock. I guess I need to check with McMillan to see if their weight includes all the extras, or not. I want to add a rear swivel stud and two studs on the front of the stock to mount a rail. I was thinking of going with the 2" rail, instead of the 4". Is there any real advantage to going with a 4"? It's very minor, but I just see the 4" rail as a little extra weight.

Ultimately I'm just trying to figure out which stock is lighter and by how much.

 

[Edds]

26 ounces sounds really light for an EH-1. I have an EH-3 that weighs 31.5 ounces.

 

[Ledzep]

I'll weigh my EH1 tonight. I have two flush cups and a sling (bipod) stud. Recoil lug and tang skim bed, no pillars.

I do know from experience with several stocks, even with ultra light weight hardware, adding adjustable cheek pieces adds about a pound to the overall weight because you have to replace very low density fill with structural fill to hold the hardware.

 

[Sonic Crack]

Those weights also depend on action, bottom metal and barrel channel inlet. 1/2" pad VS 1". Also, I seen an email from McM saying they were dumping the edge CF stuff because too many people were complaining about seeing the fibers. Not sure what model stocks that will affect

 

[lash]

People will complain about anything. They want a super light CF stock but want it look like a Fiberglas painted stock. Typical 1st world complaining.

 

[treillw]

I realize that different things will cause each stock to change in weight. All things being equal, which is the lighter stock? I want a rear swivel stud, two in the front to mount a short rail, inlet for a proof full sendaro contour, and a remmington clone action - loan peak, defiance, or pierce.

 

[FatBoy]

As a metal exercise, this is interesting. If you are trying to build a world record lightweight, I get it. In the real world do you think you're going to notice 4 ounces difference? The amount of marine tex can make up more than the difference if you lay it in thick and put a barrel pad in. I wonder if the person who lays it in the mold has an impact? More resin vs less, etc. Do two "identical" stocks weight the same?

Personally, which one is more comfortable would be my first concern, followed by can they each fit the barrel profile I want, then which has the least amount of flex.

curious what you come up with here. There are so many variations of stock HW.

 

[treillw]

As a metal exercise, this is interesting. If you are trying to build a world record lightweight, I get it. In the real world do you think you're going to notice 4 ounces difference? The amount of marine tex can make up more than the difference if you lay it in thick and put a barrel pad in. I wonder if the person who lays it in the mold has an impact? More resin vs less, etc. Do two "identical" stocks weight the same?

Personally, which one is more comfortable would be my first concern, followed by can they each fit the barrel profile I want, then which has the least amount of flex.

curious what you come up with here. There are so many variations of stock HW.

You may not notice 4oz from the stock alone, but start gaining more from a Ti action, a few ounces from a carbon barrel and Ti muzzle break, and pretty soon you're up to a pound or a pound and a half lighter than a relatively lightweight standard rifle. IMO, most people can tell that weight difference, especially when you carry it 15 miles a day in the mountains hunting.

There has to be some variation in weight from one stock to another of the same exact model, but it shouldn't vary by more than an ounce or two.

 

[B-P-UU]

Weight aside... EH1 is a far more comfortable stock IMO. Much better setup for prone shooting. The game scout has a very low cheek comb. Also, the EH1 will take the proof barrel contour a bit better.
game scout seems much slimmer, but you may prefer that.
even if the EH1 were heavier, I'd still choose it, but that's just me.

 

[Sendit6.5]

Those weights also depend on action, bottom metal and barrel channel inlet. 1/2" pad VS 1". Also, I seen an email from McM saying they were dumping the edge CF stuff because too many people were complaining about seeing the fibers. Not sure what model stocks that will affect

If McM drops the CF/Edge fill, that's going to be a real bummer for guys, like me, that like to build lighter weight rifles. Hope that's not correct or that they have a better option to replace it with.


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[FatBoy]

You may not notice 4oz from the stock alone, but start gaining more from a Ti action, a few ounces from a carbon barrel and Ti muzzle break, and pretty soon you're up to a pound or a pound and a half lighter than a relatively lightweight standard rifle. IMO, most people can tell that weight difference, especially when you carry it 15 miles a day in the mountains hunting.

I notice it, that's what I carry wood. Carbon fiber can come close, but a light weight wood stock with an aluminum floorplate and thin plastic or rubber pad is super light and stays somewhat comfortable on skin when it's freezing. My go-to is an old M788 or a CVA 50 cal. Both are about 6# and for the areas I hunt its easy to get in and out. This is TN and NY hunting. I haven't had an opportunity to go after anything in the real mountains yet, but I plan on trying Mule deer in AZ with my Mathews in the next couple if years.

 

[lash]

I notice it, that's what I carry wood. Carbon fiber can come close, but a light weight wood stock with an aluminum floorplate and thin plastic or rubber pad is super light and stays somewhat comfortable on skin when it's freezing. My go-to is an old M788 or a CVA 50 cal. Both are about 6# and for the areas I hunt its easy to get in and out. This is TN and NY hunting. I haven't had an opportunity to go after anything in the real mountains yet, but I plan on trying Mule deer in AZ with my Mathews in the next couple if years.

I love my modern stocks and all, but there is nothing that does it for me quite as much as a fine wood stock. My father was a wood worker, and I've done a bit of it myself. Wood appreciation gets in your blood. There is a part of me that wants to build a nice stable wood stock in the fashion of the new ELR style traditional stocks.

 

[FatBoy]

I love my modern stocks and all, but there is nothing that does it for me quite as much as a fine wood stock. My father was a wood worker, and I've done a bit of it myself. Wood appreciation gets in your blood. There is a part of me that wants to build a nice stable wood stock in the fashion of the new ELR style traditional stocks.

http://www.russoriflestocks.com/site..._Page.php#2704


properly done wood can hang with synthetic, but I don't know if a hardwood stock can come in much lighter than a C.F. light fill. Though I really like it, I would probably use a CF stock for a hard use stick.

My Claro Sitman Prone was about 3.5# before HW. Rifle still weighs less than 11# with a 30" light Palma, 3 way butt plate and adjustable cheek piece. I wouldn't make that weight if I used Bastone. Much like synthetics, you have to do your homework.

 

[Ledzep]

Just weighed my EH1. Again, it has 1 sling stud, and two flush cups (left side) and a skinny 1/4" pachmeyer recoil pad. No pillars, and just a dab of bedding in the lug and under the tang. ARC M5 short action Mausingfield action/inlet and a Proof Sendero contour barrel channel. No adjustable cheek hardwar. Comes in at 34.35 ounces.

 

[treillw]

Just weighed my EH1. Again, it has 1 sling stud, and two flush cups (left side) and a skinny 1/4" pachmeyer recoil pad. No pillars, and just a dab of bedding in the lug and under the tang. ARC M5 short action Mausingfield action/inlet and a Proof Sendero contour barrel channel. No adjustable cheek hardwar. Comes in at 34.35 ounces.

Thank you. That sounds like a relatively lightweight EH1 with the setup you have - is that an accurate statement?

 

[Ledzep]

I believe so, I was going for pretty basic/utilitarian. Thicker recoil pads will add a few ounces, more bipod/sling studs will add a little weight, a full bedding job with pillars will add maybe a couple ounces, and adjustable cheek hardware adds about a pound.

34oz was a little heavier than I was expecting, to be honest, but it is significantly lighter than a standard shell/fill Manners T2, and pounds lighter than a T2A/T4A folder.

 

[Rok1167]

If anybody is searching for an update on the EH1 weight like I was; I just received one and weighed it. Atlas 34 pic rail, two swivel studs, 1” pachmayr pad, aluminum pillars, no bedding yet, 29 ounces.

 

[4O6shootist]

McMillan Game Warden 2.0, medium length inlet, front Pic rail and 2 qd cups L side. 27oz.