F T/R Competition Mid range scope question

[Philt1]

Greetings all , Well another newbi question


New to the game ,i will only shoot mid range till i get a few notches on my belt.

Im looking at Nightforce 8x32 and the 12x42 both are 56mm NXS NP-R1 .Not sure what im going with

AND for the ppl that shoot matches i know that you have to ajust power at times for mirage in these high power scopes .

Doesn't that throw your moa off with SFP ?
and how do u reset for the shot if this is the case .

well that bout it .
Thanks Guys, Phil

 

[mjh30]

Re: Mid range scope question

Phil, both the 8-32x56 and 12-42x56 NXS are excellent scopes, if you think you are going to shoot longer range in the near future I would definitely go for the 12-42x56. With regards to your other question, nothing changes, not your point of impact, nothing. SFP and FFP comes into play while ranging, if you have a SFP scope it ranges at a particular zoom power, if you have a FFP scope if can range at any zoom power, but the FFP reticle also increases and decreaes in size as you zoom in and out.

 

[Philt1]

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AHHHHAAA , LOL , i understand ( pretty simple right ) that was the best reply ever . ive asked this question before and just got confused by the reply's.

You have hit on the very question that i was asking myself , Will i need the xtra power down the road as the ranges in south Louisiana don't run to 1k or none that i have come across.

and how many times would i think i would need x 42 , I dont have anyone who shoots so im kinda flying blind

Hopefully i can get in with guys at the range that i can pick up pointers , I dont think that will be a problem thou most ppl don't have a problem the new guys. (example - this forum )

I do have another question = IM looking at a build and im wondering about the contour of the barrel if mounting a 56mm scope , i like the straight taper but i might have to mount my scope too high for my taste ,

would PALMA contour be better for clearance ? or do you want a straight taper (WEIGHT ) for FTR

Thx , Phil

 

[mjh30]

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Phil, I would suggest that you get with a competent gunsmith and explain your needs. Whether you decide to shoot F/TR or F-Open, weight will be an issue. Deciding which action, stock, scope and bipod you are going to use will give you some idea of your avialable weight for your barrel, it all adds up quick.

 

[Zilla]

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I would go with the 12-42 scope. You can always turn it down some.
FWIW, I never turn mine down.

 

[gstaylorg]

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I started with the 8-32x56 NP-R1 for midrange matches. Got a 2nd rifle and put the 12-42x56 NP-2DD on it. Both scopes have 0.125 MOA turrets. I like the extra mag of the 12-42, pretty much why I ordered it. Just so you know, you will give up some elevation adjustment, as well as a fair amount of field of view running the 12-42 on full mag. Having said that, I'm with David, I rarely turn it down unless the mirage is so bad it forces me. FWIW, the 8-32 is also an awesome scope, I've been very happy with it. The main key for me is that a 42X scope can be dialed down to 32X, a 32 X scope cannot be dialed up to 42X. For my uses, the 8X vs 12X at the low end is a non-issue.

 

[Leaddog]

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When I was shooting a NF NXS 12-42, I stayed on 42 98% of the tme at 600 yards. I now shoot a March and I stay at about 45x. Mirage is your friend. I like to see it, you should too.

 

[Philt1]

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Anyone have a used one for sale ") NF 12X42 LOL

Man March is a VERY fine scope but the price JJJEEEEZZZZUS
I think my eyes fell out my skull when i looked them up.

Great input everyone

You could get by with the x32 but x42 is better (got ya)

anyone running sightron 3, A member PM me about 8x32x56 and a 10x50x60

Thanks all

 

[matchking]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mjh</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> With regards to your other question, nothing changes, not your point of impact, nothing. </div></div>
I wouldn't bet on that theory of yours. POI will change, sometimes significantly.

As for the scope choices, if I were choosing between the two NXS models you mentioned, I would definately go with the 12-42x with .125MOA adjustments. The 8-32x model is still pretty undesirable for most shooting (other than off bench or F-Class type), so you might as well get the extra power. I recently bought a 12-42x NXS, but have yet to decide if it will replace the 32x Mark 4 on my F/TR rig.

 

[matchking]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Philt1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ... or do you want a straight taper (WEIGHT ) for FTR </div></div>
If you mean "no taper", it usually puts one in a bind weight-wise. I run M24/M40 contour and get pretty close to weight max. The super-heavy barrels limit one on other things like stocks, scopes, rings/bases and bipods. I know a guy that has to unscrew his sunshade to make weight and he doesn't use a "no taper" and he uses a light bipod.

 

[Philt1]

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I hear ya matchking , i was referring to the m24 contour 11 twist nailed to a stiller predator action .

im wondering about the clearance with the bigger bells on these high power scopes as i don't like tall rings .

im running ultra low rings w/50mm on my rem 5r now as i had low rings with a eagle pad that i stuffed foam under to lift cheek weld , so my eye relief and weld is perfect now with the ultras

guess that's one good thing about varmint contour

wow lol , unscrewing the shade to make weight now THAT'S CLOSE

 

[mjh30]

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Matchking, I was trying not to complicate the reply, unfortunately not to many are aware of the poi shift across the power zoom range in SFP scopes compared to none in FFP scopes. Luckily with a quality scope its pretty minimal, in my 12-42x56 NXS I don't see it.

 

[crewchef]

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Sightron S-III 8-32 is what I'm currently using. Great scope, great price and several ounces lighter than your other option. They offer target dot and long range target dot with the latter having finer cross hairs and center dot with 1/8 MOA adjustment.

 

[matchking]

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I have a Stiller TAC30 with a M24 contour barrel and have medium Mark 4 rings on it. A 56mm NXS sits atop and cheek weld is not much of an issue. If you don't have an adjustable cheek piece, just do as you said and build up cheek with pack on top of other material.

I have a rifle with an M40 stock and a 56mm scope and it takes quite a bit of material under the stock pack to get right.

 

[Coletta]

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I used a 16x at 600 for most of 2011 matches, and recently changed to nxs 8-32. The extra power is a blessing and a curse. Memphis is hot and humid, so mirage can get pretty ugly.

 

[Philt1]

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Yeah Coletta im in a very hard conflict about that right now
to go with the x 32 OR x 42 / the x32 having 65 MOA , the x42 having 45 MOA .

i shot my last match with my scope on x 12 mid range - pfff
i didnt realize it till i got home
my max power is 14 so if i can do pretty good with x12 power im sure i could VERY well with a x32

still deciding thou x32 or x42

 

[RStewart]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Philt1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah Coletta im in a very hard conflict about that right now
to go with the x 32 OR x 42 / the x32 having 65 MOA , the x42 having 45 MOA .

i shot my last match with my scope on x 12 mid range - pfff
i didnt realize it till i got home
my max power is 14 so if i can do pretty good with x12 power im sure i could VERY well with a x32

still deciding thou x32 or x42
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If you go NF Benchrest, it's not much more for the 42 (~$1360 retail) than the 32 (~$1200 retail).

 

[mickeyb]

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NXS 42
FTW!
With a 20 MOA base, you should be fine at 1000y.
You can always back it down if you don't need it.
In a bad mirage I will kick it back a bit, but I stayed on 40x for the match last weekend.

 

[Philt1]

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LOL , You 2 guys still at it .

Good point on price but i think i will go with the NXS as its built to be tough and I NEED TOUGH the way i handle equipment

+ if i get zombie attacked i could use it as a club

P.S. Micky all the 1/4 MOA x 42 have high speed correct ?

 

[RStewart]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Philt1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

+ if i get zombie attacked i could use it as a club

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Mickey also uses his as a carry handle.

 

[mickeyb]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RStewart</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Philt1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

+ if i get zombie attacked i could use it as a club

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Mickey also uses his as a carry handle.

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Yes, they make a fine carry handle.

 

[Coletta]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Philt1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah Coletta im in a very hard conflict about that right now
to go with the x 32 OR x 42 / the x32 having 65 MOA , the x42 having 45 MOA .

i shot my last match with my scope on x 12 mid range - pfff
i didnt realize it till i got home
my max power is 14 so if i can do pretty good with x12 power im sure i could VERY well with a x32

still deciding thou x32 or x42
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I have an extra 35moa base if you are looking for more elevation. I can't post ads, but pm if interested.
You will probably be fine with the 8-32. It is a huge difference from my old 16x. I don't have to guess where the bull is anymore. I would assume your weather is also hot and humid most of the year too.

 

[turbo54]

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Guess I'm the odd man out. I find 14x-25x totally sufficient, and 32+ to be obnoxious with the mirage.

I've ever even gone down to 4x.... bottom line is your shooting at a circular target...whatever power it takes to be able to "quarter" the target works. At 25x, I can nicely quarter tge X ring. On 14 power I can quarter the 8 ring, and on 4x, I can quarter the black.

Definitely get 1/8 turrets for F class.

 

[Graham]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mjh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Phil, I would suggest that you get with a competent gunsmith and explain your needs.</div></div>That might take a while, because first you must find a gunsmith that knows about scopes but doesn't sell them.

 

[Leaddog]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mickeyb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">NXS 42
FTW!
With a 20 MOA base, you should be fine at 1000y.
You can always back it down if you don't need it.
In a bad mirage I will kick it back a bit, but I stayed on 40x for the match last weekend. </div></div>

Most of the time the 12-42 NXS is fine for 1000, but on very cold days, you may run out of elevation, depending on what you are shooting. You will have to hold off the target rings or use your reticle graduations. Not a big deal, but something to think about

My rifle that has the 12-42 NXS has +40 and -05 minutes of elevation with a 100 yard zero and a 20 minute rail.

 

[Graham]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leaddog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most of the time the 12-42 NXS is fine for 1000, but on very cold days, you may run out of elevation...</div></div>If there is so little elevation in that scope that it runs out based on a temperature change alone, you don't want it. A scope that works most of the time is not suited to the task.

 

[TattooBlade]

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Real men shoot fixed 10x at 1000 yards.

 

[KT35]

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I run the 12x42x56 NF on one Fclass rig. I have .250moa turrets.

The other one I use is a sightron 8x32x56. I would definitley go with the 42x. You can never have enough. And not because it's a sightron. I really like the sightron SIII line.

As far as ring height. It will differ with what ever stock you go with. I know with my new build using the AX chassis I had to go with a high ring to clear the aluminum tube.

That is why having a adjustable check piece is key if you have a high ring height.

KT

 

[Graham]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TattooBlade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Real men shoot fixed 10x at 1000 yards.

</div></div>LOL! Except that real men aren't fixed.