Mighty fine police work

[deersniper]

More work from the blue gang. 3 months in jail for cotton candy.

Any other industry pays for its mistakes/negligence/criminal behavior. Not the .gov enforcer gang Steal more of your money to pay for it

 

[MtnCreek]

I could tell by looking at her it was cotton candy and not meth.

 

[JimLee]

I could tell by looking at her it was cotton candy and not meth.

Doesn't really take a detective now does it..lol

 

[XLR308]

I could tell by looking at her it was cotton candy and not meth.

I hadn't even made it to your post but as soon as I saw the picture that's the first thing that went through my mind. ???
" Free Willy"

 

[EddieNFL]

No problem with the arresting officers. What were they supposed to do once it popped positive? Everyone after that should be named in the suit.

 

[Clearlight]

And man the harpoons.. Any odds on what the payout $ bracket is ?

 

[Rthur]

I'm thinking a test at a lab once booked would have been prudent compared to the roadside chem set.

R

 

[...]

not saying i agree with drug trafficking....but even if it was actually meth.....$1Million bond seems steep.....

fucking jihadi terrorists get out on bond for less than that.

 

[david walter]

No problem with the arresting officers. What were they supposed to do once it popped positive? Everyone after that should be named in the suit.

Seriously? How about have enough life experience and sense to know cotton candy when they see it? A clear bag with fluffy blue stuff in it isn’t probable cause for a drug test, IMHO.

 

[XLR308]

And man the harpoons.. Any odds on what the payout $ bracket is ?

Just some quick math but at 1 pound of cotton candy a day times 3 months in jail plus $68 for donut of the month club brings the grand total to $158

 

[EddieNFL]

Seriously? How about have enough life experience and sense to know cotton candy when they see it? A clear bag with fluffy blue stuff in it isn’t probable cause for a drug test, IMHO.

You don't get out much, do you?

 

[mgd45]

For those wondering, "How could this happen?" Let me explain...as a 21 year LEO who's made drug cases using these test kits. ....

You make a traffic stop and see what appears to be suspected illegal drug(s) in the vehicle. In this case it was some amount of cotton candy in a bag. Now, I would like to think that the Deputies in question here could make an informed decision that a large, spherical, fluffy ball of "blue wispy filament" would certainly look just like cotton candy and let it go. But maybe instead it was a few weeks old and cotton candy tends to melt, and shrink down & crystallize after a while. Which means, now it looks like something other than cotton candy. As a matter of fact, it could have very well looked like a type of crystal meth or other narcotic.

So to be sure the officers simply test it using the department issued narcotics test kit, which is used nationwide by police in every jurisdiction, (local cops, State Offices & Federal agents) , and also accepted by Judges as Probably Cause on arrest/search warrants EVERY SINGLE DAY. Then....BAM, it tests positive for Meth....So the officers do what they are supposed to do, take them to jail, charge them with a criminal offense & send it off to the GBI crime lab for more intensive testing. Now, I know what some of ya'll are thinking......"shouldn't they have let them go & sent it off for testing first......then arrested them later if it tested positive?" Yes, that was an option. However, that's not the usual protocol because these field test kits are literally universally accepted as probable cause that the tested item is a type of narcotic. However, maybe this will help to change that protocol....

These officers and the department will be protected in the lawsuit by qualified immunity since they acted lawfully and were simply performing a function of their job duties. However, the company who makes the test kit may have to pay up....and it's always possible that Monroe County will simply offer a settlement to end the civil lawsuit. Either way, I could see how this could happen.....it just sounds like something stupid....just my 2 cents.

 

[deersniper]

The only thing that has been gained by the war on drugs is a tyrannical government and the destruction of the constitution. "Gotta get them dopers" people killed freedom in this country.

Get rid of welfare and free medical care and make all drugs legal. Make theft a capital offense.

 

[EddieNFL]

For those wondering, "How could this happen?" Let me explain...as a 21 year LEO who's made drug cases using these test kits. ....

You make a traffic stop and see what appears to be suspected illegal drug(s) in the vehicle. In this case it was some amount of cotton candy in a bag. Now, I would like to think that the Deputies in question here could make an informed decision that a large, spherical, fluffy ball of "blue wispy filament" would certainly look just like cotton candy and let it go. But maybe instead it was a few weeks old and cotton candy tends to melt, and shrink down & crystallize after a while. Which means, now it looks like something other than cotton candy. As a matter of fact, it could have very well looked like a type of crystal meth or other narcotic.

So to be sure the officers simply test it using the department issued narcotics test kit, which is used nationwide by police in every jurisdiction, (local cops, State Offices & Federal agents) , and also accepted by Judges as Probably Cause on arrest/search warrants EVERY SINGLE DAY. Then....BAM, it tests positive for Meth....So the officers do what they are supposed to do, take them to jail, charge them with a criminal offense & send it off to the GBI crime lab for more intensive testing. Now, I know what some of ya'll are thinking......"shouldn't they have let them go & sent it off for testing first......then arrested them later if it tested positive?" Yes, that was an option. However, that's not the usual protocol because these field test kits are literally universally accepted as probable cause that the tested item is a type of narcotic. However, maybe this will help to change that protocol....

These officers and the department will be protected in the lawsuit by qualified immunity since they acted lawfully and were simply performing a function of their job duties. However, the company who makes the test kit may have to pay up....and it's always possible that Monroe County will simply offer a settlement to end the civil lawsuit. Either way, I could see how this could happen.....it just sounds like something stupid....just my 2 cents.

Not to mention druggies are very creative when it comes to disguising their product.

 

[XLR308]

For those wondering, "How could this happen?" Let me explain...as a 21 year LEO who's made drug cases using these test kits. ....

You make a traffic stop and see what appears to be suspected illegal drug(s) in the vehicle. In this case it was some amount of cotton candy in a bag. Now, I would like to think that the Deputies in question here could make an informed decision that a large, spherical, fluffy ball of "blue wispy filament" would certainly look just like cotton candy and let it go. But maybe instead it was a few weeks old and cotton candy tends to melt, and shrink down & crystallize after a while. Which means, now it looks like something other than cotton candy. As a matter of fact, it could have very well looked like a type of crystal meth or other narcotic.

So to be sure the officers simply test it using the department issued narcotics test kit, which is used nationwide by police in every jurisdiction, (local cops, State Offices & Federal agents) , and also accepted by Judges as Probably Cause on arrest/search warrants EVERY SINGLE DAY. Then....BAM, it tests positive for Meth....So the officers do what they are supposed to do, take them to jail, charge them with a criminal offense & send it off to the GBI crime lab for more intensive testing. Now, I know what some of ya'll are thinking......"shouldn't they have let them go & sent it off for testing first......then arrested them later if it tested positive?" Yes, that was an option. However, that's not the usual protocol because these field test kits are literally universally accepted as probable cause that the tested item is a type of narcotic. However, maybe this will help to change that protocol....

These officers and the department will be protected in the lawsuit by qualified immunity since they acted lawfully and were simply performing a function of their job duties. However, the company who makes the test kit may have to pay up....and it's always possible that Monroe County will simply offer a settlement to end the civil lawsuit. Either way, I could see how this could happen.....it just sounds like something stupid....just my 2 cents.

Might have just been that the police were issued the Good Samaritan version of the drug kits that are for testing the white powder substance on uniforms, powdered sugar. ??

" We're did you learn that Cheech drug school "

 

[Mwalex]

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The only thing that has been gained by the war on drugs is a tyrannical government and the destruction of the constitution. "Gotta get them dopers" people killed freedom in this country.

Get rid of welfare and free medical care and make all drugs legal. Make theft a capital offense.

This is a case where there are examples of this being a huge failure in Europe. Making all drugs legal is not the answer but there has to be a better approach than the one currently being used.

 

[MtnCreek]

I'm fine with making drug use legal as long as LE will be uninterested if drug dealers start showing up dead.

 

[oneshot86]

there is no defence for a cop putting someone in jail for cotton candy, zero
zero
zero

 

[Strykervet]

I hope she bankrupts the county. Unless it hurts, and hurts bad, they'll just keep doing the same shit over and over and over and...

The only way change will happen is if it's forced upon them.

 

[deersniper]

This is a case where there are examples of this being a huge failure in Europe. Making all drugs legal is not the answer but there has to be a better approach than the one currently being used.

Don't care.
I'm sure it would be better than 4th amendment destruction/no knock warrants/asset forfeiture (theft)/ ouiji dogs/ etc etc. The consequence of drug laws are almost as bad as all the things that happened and passed after 9/11

.gov is the real terrorist organization. The Muslims have nothing on them.

 

[Howland]

So to be sure the officers simply test it using the department issued narcotics test kit, which is used nationwide by police in every jurisdiction, (local cops, State Offices & Federal agents) , and also accepted by Judges as Probably Cause on arrest/search warrants EVERY SINGLE DAY.
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...that's not the usual protocol because these field test kits are literally universally accepted as probable cause that the tested item is a type of narcotic.

There is a fundamental disconnect with both of these statements about a field test kit that incorrectly identifies cotton candy as methaphetamine. The kits need to be pulled from the field today and every single warrant and PC based on their results invalidated.

I knew a guy who was brought in for drunk driving and watched the breathalyzer operator "sterilize" the mouthpiece with alcohol.

Case dismissed.

 

[Maser]

Meth in cotton candy? Where can I get some?!

 

[fdkay]

We have gone to using the Tru-narc.
Laser Spectroscopy in the field.
It does have problems with xanax tabs, but overall, works very well indeed.

 

[308220]

Not to mention druggies are very creative when it comes to disguising their product.

Take no prisoners. Cavity searches for everyone!

 

[Maser]

Take no prisoners. Cavity searches for everyone!

The Hide's 2018 Christmas Party!

 

[QuickNDirty]

We have gone to using the Tru-narc.
Laser Spectroscopy in the field.
It does have problems with xanax tabs, but overall, works very well indeed.

That sounds cool. Was never a big fan of the chem tests, for obvious reasons. You can search for days on cases where some benign substance tested positive for some controlled substance.

 

[W54/XM-388]

And then the police ask why so many are starting to view them unfavorably......

Hopefully the woman is able to win a huge enough law suit (of her and her fellow citizen's money) that the idiot local politicians are scared that they might not get re-elected because of this gaping hole in the budget / taxes and actually suggest to the police that they consider stopping using these bogus tests.

The entire idea of Justice and law is pretty much gone these days.

The "War on Drugs" has destroyed the fabric of this country, the constitution and our freedoms by many orders of magnitude worse than a bunch of simple drug use would have.

 

[TheGerman]

If anyone needs to have a lawsuit filed against them its the company that makes the test.

I can see how the cops who arrested her could be a little dumb in even testing cotton candy, but when it came back as positive I can kind of see how it was not really their fault.

I'd go after the manufacturer as well as the county because they use it/deem it good to go.

 

[davsco]

seems like the cops could have asked, or the lady could have provided, where she bought it and a possible receipt before she had to spend a minute in jail? ditto for the judge at the bail/bond hearing.

 

[deersniper]

^ or idk? Innocent until proven guilty, and ROR until the official!lab test is done.

 

[1J04]

For those wondering, "How could this happen?" Let me explain...as a 21 year LEO who's made drug cases using these test kits. ....

You make a traffic stop and see what appears to be suspected illegal drug(s) in the vehicle. In this case it was some amount of cotton candy in a bag. Now, I would like to think that the Deputies in question here could make an informed decision that a large, spherical, fluffy ball of "blue wispy filament" would certainly look just like cotton candy and let it go. But maybe instead it was a few weeks old and cotton candy tends to melt, and shrink down & crystallize after a while. Which means, now it looks like something other than cotton candy. As a matter of fact, it could have very well looked like a type of crystal meth or other narcotic.

So to be sure the officers simply test it using the department issued narcotics test kit, which is used nationwide by police in every jurisdiction, (local cops, State Offices & Federal agents) , and also accepted by Judges as Probably Cause on arrest/search warrants EVERY SINGLE DAY. Then....BAM, it tests positive for Meth....So the officers do what they are supposed to do, take them to jail, charge them with a criminal offense & send it off to the GBI crime lab for more intensive testing. Now, I know what some of ya'll are thinking......"shouldn't they have let them go & sent it off for testing first......then arrested them later if it tested positive?" Yes, that was an option. However, that's not the usual protocol because these field test kits are literally universally accepted as probable cause that the tested item is a type of narcotic. However, maybe this will help to change that protocol....

These officers and the department will be protected in the lawsuit by qualified immunity since they acted lawfully and were simply performing a function of their job duties. However, the company who makes the test kit may have to pay up....and it's always possible that Monroe County will simply offer a settlement to end the civil lawsuit. Either way, I could see how this could happen.....it just sounds like something stupid....just my 2 cents.

Brother, your heart is in the right place, but you really didn't need to go through all of that. The responses after your post prove that. It's the way it always is. I gave up about a month after joining the Hide. You can give a well informed, inside the job, dead nuts accurate response all you want. But the fact remains someone was aggrieved and some will have nothing to do with a professional response on how that can happen.
FYI: I think WA State pays out bout $140-180 a day. Been a long time since we've had one of these issues. I can only think of 2 in my 22 yrs. Just say'n.

 

[1J04]

^ or idk? Innocent until proven guilty, and ROR until the official!lab test is done.

Winner Winner Chicken fucking dinner (on the outs). This is exactly how we roll.
There is intelligent life still out there!

 

[EddieNFL]

Take no prisoners. Cavity searches for everyone!

Disguise, not hide.

 

[EddieNFL]

seems like the cops could have asked, or the lady could have provided, where she bought it and a possible receipt before she had to spend a minute in jail? ditto for the judge at the bail/bond hearing.

I stopped at a convenience store, bought a diet Pepsi and peanuts. Hope I'm not asked to provide a receipt.

 

[thejeep]

Look at that lady. If she’s on meth in that photo I’d hate to see a before shot! She ain’t been up for days not eating.

 

[thejeep]

Think of all the diabetes they prevented! .

 

[david walter]

You make a traffic stop and see what appears to be suspected illegal drug(s) in the vehicle.

This is where it went off the rails for me. If they would quit looking for drugs like they were a common item in some grandma's backseat, then they wouldn't see drugs where they are not.

Don't get me wrong or think I'm anti-cop. I'm anything but that. Mrs Walter is an LEO, and some of my best friends are LEOs.

This doesn't even begin to pass the sniff test. As the Sergeant Major used to say, "This is just monkey shit.'

 

[Spblademaker]

Any dumbass could see that she has 60lbs of crack on her.

 

[thejeep]

^ her panniculus weighs that easy.

 

[gigamortis]

You can bet your ass that the potential spoils of civil asset forfeiture drive a lot of this aggressive "enforcement" of drug laws.

 

[deersniper]

^no conflict of interest there

 

[Steel+Killer]

The war on drugs has ruined more lives than it has saved......I have no statistical data to back that up, but I firmly believe that and would bet my life on it!

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Anyone notice that the number of opioid deaths has increased since the government started using taxpayer money to fight opioid abuse?
Makes sense doesn't it? Maybe if we spend more money? Nah that'd never work, but let's try.

 

[ArmyJerry]

the war on drugs is a existential threat to us all now, just liek the GWOT with the bullshit patriot act etc, I am telling you , buy more guns and buy more ammo this will end in a bloody mess before the Gov backs off and leaves us alone to be free.

QUOTE="Palmetto-Pride, post: 7364000, member: 104599"]The war on drugs has ruined more lives than it has saved......I have no statistical data to back that up, but I firmly believe that and would bet my life on it![/QUOTE]

 

[RyanScott]

Drug use is mostly a private ailment but the drug war is a public ailment.