Okay, so 1 mil at 100 yards is 3.6 inches. But I have also heard that you multiply 1 mil by 3.438 to convert to MOA. So what is the deal? Is it 3.6 or 3.438?
Rifle Scopes Mil-MOA conversion
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Re: Mil-MOA conversion
1 mil = 3.47 moa, moa is a little over 1 inch (something like 1.047 or something), 1 mil is about 3.6 inches.
1 mil = 3.47 moa, moa is a little over 1 inch (something like 1.047 or something), 1 mil is about 3.6 inches.
Re: Mil-MOA conversion
This is the information I am getting out of my impact data book.
1 mil = 3.438 MOA
1 MOA = 1.047"
1 mil= 3.6" @ 100 Yards
I calculated .6 x 1.047= .63 .63 + (1.047 x 3) = 3.47 moa
Also 3.6 mils @ 100 yards/1.047" = 3.438
So 3.438 moa = 1 mil, but for some reason I think I am missing something
This is the information I am getting out of my impact data book.
1 mil = 3.438 MOA
1 MOA = 1.047"
1 mil= 3.6" @ 100 Yards
I calculated .6 x 1.047= .63 .63 + (1.047 x 3) = 3.47 moa
Also 3.6 mils @ 100 yards/1.047" = 3.438
So 3.438 moa = 1 mil, but for some reason I think I am missing something
Re: Mil-MOA conversion
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1 mil = 3.47 moa, moa is a little over 1 inch (something like 1.047 or something), 1 mil is about 3.6 inches. </div></div>
The answer is 3.438 moa per mil.
1 mil @ 100 yards = 3.6
1 moa @ 100 yards = 1.047
1 mil(3.6)divided by 1 moa(1.047)=3.438
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1 mil = 3.47 moa, moa is a little over 1 inch (something like 1.047 or something), 1 mil is about 3.6 inches. </div></div>
The answer is 3.438 moa per mil.
1 mil @ 100 yards = 3.6
1 moa @ 100 yards = 1.047
1 mil(3.6)divided by 1 moa(1.047)=3.438
Re: Mil-MOA conversion
^^^ Yes!
If you plan on using your scope's reticle for more than center holds, or you plan on using it for rangefinding, you need to do this... Measure the 100 yards, btw, to the turret block of your scope, not to the eyepiece or objective of the scope. The 100 yards goes to your erector/reticle.
Also, do some 'tracking drills' with your scope. That's where you hold the crosshairs in a fixed location. Then work the knobs to walk your point of impact around the target. Your impact should move impact the correct distance for each adjustment.
These are two sample targets I just dug out yesterday from a school. (amazing what you find when you clean up...).
This was 'slow fire' to confirm the tracking was working. All holds were at the upper left target.
This one was from a stressed course of fire under a time constraint. I think I had 4 minutes to calculate all 8 'moves', turn the turrents and shoot each targets. You can see my notes on it from after. Did a post mortem to write down what I actually did on the scope. My conclusion was my tracking was good... but I rushed my shots, thus the misses. Oh well, there's no crying in marksmanship...
I am very sure that the guys who have free downloadable targets on this site (Impact??) have these kinds of drills free for the download.
Last of all, unless you have an FFP scope, do all this at maximum magnification. If you have to dial back the magnification ring some to get it to fit the chart, make a mark on your magnification ring and always use that position for milling. You would be amazed how many scopes don't even have their reticle etched right, when compared to a measured test target.
Cheers,
Sirhr
^^^ Yes!
If you plan on using your scope's reticle for more than center holds, or you plan on using it for rangefinding, you need to do this... Measure the 100 yards, btw, to the turret block of your scope, not to the eyepiece or objective of the scope. The 100 yards goes to your erector/reticle.
Also, do some 'tracking drills' with your scope. That's where you hold the crosshairs in a fixed location. Then work the knobs to walk your point of impact around the target. Your impact should move impact the correct distance for each adjustment.
These are two sample targets I just dug out yesterday from a school. (amazing what you find when you clean up...).
This was 'slow fire' to confirm the tracking was working. All holds were at the upper left target.
This one was from a stressed course of fire under a time constraint. I think I had 4 minutes to calculate all 8 'moves', turn the turrents and shoot each targets. You can see my notes on it from after. Did a post mortem to write down what I actually did on the scope. My conclusion was my tracking was good... but I rushed my shots, thus the misses. Oh well, there's no crying in marksmanship...
I am very sure that the guys who have free downloadable targets on this site (Impact??) have these kinds of drills free for the download.
Last of all, unless you have an FFP scope, do all this at maximum magnification. If you have to dial back the magnification ring some to get it to fit the chart, make a mark on your magnification ring and always use that position for milling. You would be amazed how many scopes don't even have their reticle etched right, when compared to a measured test target.
Cheers,
Sirhr
Re: Mil-MOA conversion
Translating mils doesn't require any conversion tables- a mil is 1/1000 of whatever distance you are measuring at. So at 100 yards, 1 mil is 1/1000 of a yard, which is 3.6 inches since 100 yards=3600 inches. At 100 meters it's 1/1000 of a meter, which is 1 cm. It couldn't get simpler than that.
Translating mils doesn't require any conversion tables- a mil is 1/1000 of whatever distance you are measuring at. So at 100 yards, 1 mil is 1/1000 of a yard, which is 3.6 inches since 100 yards=3600 inches. At 100 meters it's 1/1000 of a meter, which is 1 cm. It couldn't get simpler than that.
Re: Mil-MOA conversion
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m1match</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Translating mils doesn't require any conversion tables- a mil is 1/1000 of whatever distance you are measuring at. So at 100 yards, 1 mil is 1/1000 of <span style="text-decoration: line-through">a yard</span> <span style="color: #FF0000">100 yards</span>, which is 3.6 inches since 100 yards=3600 inches. At 100 meters it's 1/1000 of <span style="text-decoration: line-through">a meter</span><span style="color: #FF0000">100 meters</span>, which is <span style="text-decoration: line-through">1 cm</span> <span style="color: #FF0000">10 cm</span>. It couldn't get simpler than that. </div></div>
It was more complicated than you thought.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m1match</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Translating mils doesn't require any conversion tables- a mil is 1/1000 of whatever distance you are measuring at. So at 100 yards, 1 mil is 1/1000 of <span style="text-decoration: line-through">a yard</span> <span style="color: #FF0000">100 yards</span>, which is 3.6 inches since 100 yards=3600 inches. At 100 meters it's 1/1000 of <span style="text-decoration: line-through">a meter</span><span style="color: #FF0000">100 meters</span>, which is <span style="text-decoration: line-through">1 cm</span> <span style="color: #FF0000">10 cm</span>. It couldn't get simpler than that. </div></div>
It was more complicated than you thought.
Re: Mil-MOA conversion
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NOMAD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let us do the work for you
MIL to MOA Page
MOA to MIL Page
</div></div>
I was looking at the the Snipers hide data book I bought from you guys. I was confused about how you got the number 3.438 and I finally figured it out, however, it seems several other people are still mixed up about the mil-moa conversion. I love the book Nomad and I wrote a hell of a review on it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NOMAD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let us do the work for you
MIL to MOA Page
MOA to MIL Page
</div></div>
I was looking at the the Snipers hide data book I bought from you guys. I was confused about how you got the number 3.438 and I finally figured it out, however, it seems several other people are still mixed up about the mil-moa conversion. I love the book Nomad and I wrote a hell of a review on it.
Re: Mil-MOA conversion
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m1match</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Translating mils doesn't require any conversion tables- a mil is 1/1000 of whatever distance you are measuring at. So at 100 yards, 1 mil is 1/1000 of a yard, which is 3.6 inches since 100 yards=3600 inches. At 100 meters it's 1/1000 of a meter, which is 1 cm. It couldn't get simpler than that. </div></div>
I completely understand the concept, but I wanted to know how to simplify elevation equations and the number I want to use 3.438 rather than multiplying by 3.6 and the distance and then dividing by 3.6 and distance. Thanks you for the input.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m1match</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Translating mils doesn't require any conversion tables- a mil is 1/1000 of whatever distance you are measuring at. So at 100 yards, 1 mil is 1/1000 of a yard, which is 3.6 inches since 100 yards=3600 inches. At 100 meters it's 1/1000 of a meter, which is 1 cm. It couldn't get simpler than that. </div></div>
I completely understand the concept, but I wanted to know how to simplify elevation equations and the number I want to use 3.438 rather than multiplying by 3.6 and the distance and then dividing by 3.6 and distance. Thanks you for the input.
Re: Mil-MOA conversion
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m1match</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Translating mils doesn't require any conversion tables- a mil is 1/1000 of whatever distance you are measuring at. So at 100 yards, 1 mil is 1/1000 of a yard, which is 3.6 inches since 100 yards=3600 inches. At 100 meters it's 1/1000 of a meter, which is 1 cm. It couldn't get simpler than that. </div></div>
I completely understand the concept, but I wanted to know how to simplify elevation equations and the number I want to use 3.438 rather than multiplying by 3.6 and the distance and then dividing by 3.6 and distance. Thanks you for the input.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m1match</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Translating mils doesn't require any conversion tables- a mil is 1/1000 of whatever distance you are measuring at. So at 100 yards, 1 mil is 1/1000 of a yard, which is 3.6 inches since 100 yards=3600 inches. At 100 meters it's 1/1000 of a meter, which is 1 cm. It couldn't get simpler than that. </div></div>
I completely understand the concept, but I wanted to know how to simplify elevation equations and the number I want to use 3.438 rather than multiplying by 3.6 and the distance and then dividing by 3.6 and distance. Thanks you for the input.
Re: Mil-MOA conversion
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DFOOSKING</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I take it your running a mildot scope with MOA turrets.
Listen your making this harder than it should be. Make a range card on jbm or any other free source online. Have the program set it up in MOA to start with...take inches outta the whole shabang! Range the target, check your card, dial the recommended dope, make correction if needed and note them.
If your target is 500yds...take 1.047 x 5 = 5.23" per MOA. If its 325yds take 1.047 x 3.25 You don't have to be a math professor to imagine 5.23" cut in 4 pieces(assuming you 1/4 MOA adjustments). So know what the MOA is at a given range and use your noggin if you think you need half, double, three-quarter...for finer adjustments. You dope 12 MOA for 500yds and it falls 4" short...you know you need less than 1 MOA cuz it equals 5.23"...keep it simple.
Inches per hundred yards are slightly different. Your basically saying its 5" instead 5.23" at 500yds....doesn't seem like much...but when you lop off that .23 on a 20MOA correction it ends up a lot of inches being taken out in the end.
Something to think about.
</div></div>
My scope has the TMR and I have M3 Turrets (1 MOA per click) so I need to dial AND hold. If I fell 4" short at 500 yards, I would now have to convert that into mils to hold over because 1 MOA click would put me 1.23" high. I want to get exact. If added a click and was 1.23" off, that would be .07 mil hold low right? If I stayed with my elevation with 4" low, it would be a high hold of .22. You don't have to be a mathematician, but I enjoy figuring out the calculations. I don't like guessing.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DFOOSKING</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I take it your running a mildot scope with MOA turrets.
Listen your making this harder than it should be. Make a range card on jbm or any other free source online. Have the program set it up in MOA to start with...take inches outta the whole shabang! Range the target, check your card, dial the recommended dope, make correction if needed and note them.
If your target is 500yds...take 1.047 x 5 = 5.23" per MOA. If its 325yds take 1.047 x 3.25 You don't have to be a math professor to imagine 5.23" cut in 4 pieces(assuming you 1/4 MOA adjustments). So know what the MOA is at a given range and use your noggin if you think you need half, double, three-quarter...for finer adjustments. You dope 12 MOA for 500yds and it falls 4" short...you know you need less than 1 MOA cuz it equals 5.23"...keep it simple.
Inches per hundred yards are slightly different. Your basically saying its 5" instead 5.23" at 500yds....doesn't seem like much...but when you lop off that .23 on a 20MOA correction it ends up a lot of inches being taken out in the end.
Something to think about.
</div></div>
My scope has the TMR and I have M3 Turrets (1 MOA per click) so I need to dial AND hold. If I fell 4" short at 500 yards, I would now have to convert that into mils to hold over because 1 MOA click would put me 1.23" high. I want to get exact. If added a click and was 1.23" off, that would be .07 mil hold low right? If I stayed with my elevation with 4" low, it would be a high hold of .22. You don't have to be a mathematician, but I enjoy figuring out the calculations. I don't like guessing.
Re: Mil-MOA conversion
That is why I feel like I have to constantly do more calculations rather than solely elevation adjustments. I cannot wait to get home from this deployment. Only one month to go.
That is why I feel like I have to constantly do more calculations rather than solely elevation adjustments. I cannot wait to get home from this deployment. Only one month to go.
Re: Mil-MOA conversion
My M3 turrets are marked 1 Click = 1/2 MIN, might wanna double check yours.
My M3 turrets are marked 1 Click = 1/2 MIN, might wanna double check yours.
Re: Mil-MOA conversion
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Powder Burns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My M3 turrets are marked 1 Click = 1/2 MIN, might wanna double check yours.</div></div>
M3 turrets are 1MOA elevation, 1/2MOA windage.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Powder Burns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My M3 turrets are marked 1 Click = 1/2 MIN, might wanna double check yours.</div></div>
M3 turrets are 1MOA elevation, 1/2MOA windage.
Re: Mil-MOA conversion
dreiaugen is correct. 1 moa per click for elevation, 1/2 moa per click windage. So can anyone give an example how to calculate for mils after making the initial elevation adjustment? And possibly show it using the 3.438 moa per mil conversion? Thanks
dreiaugen is correct. 1 moa per click for elevation, 1/2 moa per click windage. So can anyone give an example how to calculate for mils after making the initial elevation adjustment? And possibly show it using the 3.438 moa per mil conversion? Thanks
Re: Mil-MOA conversion
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Paradude</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dreiaugen is correct. 1 moa per click for elevation, 1/2 moa per click windage. So can anyone give an example how to calculate for mils after making the initial elevation adjustment? And possibly show it using the 3.438 moa per mil conversion? Thanks </div></div>
This is the problem with scopes that don't have knobs matching the reticle.
You have to use the mil formula to determine the range. (27.778 X (size of the target in inches) / mil reading = range in yards.
Once you figure out how far away he is then you have to look up the range and dial in the correct number of MOA on the dial.
You take the shot and NOW you have to adjust your hold in Mils to get a 2nd round on target.
That was the long way around to saying your question didn't make sense so I covered all the points it was referring to
Cheers,
Doc
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Paradude</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dreiaugen is correct. 1 moa per click for elevation, 1/2 moa per click windage. So can anyone give an example how to calculate for mils after making the initial elevation adjustment? And possibly show it using the 3.438 moa per mil conversion? Thanks </div></div>
This is the problem with scopes that don't have knobs matching the reticle.
You have to use the mil formula to determine the range. (27.778 X (size of the target in inches) / mil reading = range in yards.
Once you figure out how far away he is then you have to look up the range and dial in the correct number of MOA on the dial.
You take the shot and NOW you have to adjust your hold in Mils to get a 2nd round on target.
That was the long way around to saying your question didn't make sense so I covered all the points it was referring to
Cheers,
Doc
Re: Mil-MOA conversion
First, your math is off. A mil is not 1cm @ 100m it's 10cm. Or, 100mm's Remember cm's are 1/100 of meters, mm's are 1/1000th's of meters.
If you can, leave out the measurements of the targets. Just know the mil value or moa value. For instance a certain tire on a certain vehicle is 1m tall. At 1000 meters it will be one mil. At 100m it will be 10 mil or edge of thick crosshair to edge of thick crosshair. Try to find things at given distances you can give a mil value to instead of inches or mm's/cm's.
First, your math is off. A mil is not 1cm @ 100m it's 10cm. Or, 100mm's Remember cm's are 1/100 of meters, mm's are 1/1000th's of meters.
If you can, leave out the measurements of the targets. Just know the mil value or moa value. For instance a certain tire on a certain vehicle is 1m tall. At 1000 meters it will be one mil. At 100m it will be 10 mil or edge of thick crosshair to edge of thick crosshair. Try to find things at given distances you can give a mil value to instead of inches or mm's/cm's.
