Yeah you gave it away... I’ve heard about the “donuts on a rope” contrail. I’ve never heard it called “pearls on a rope”, or “chain of bb’s”
It’s the contrail left by the hypersonic jet “Aurora” and that’s about all I know about it.
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Yeah you gave it away... I’ve heard about the “donuts on a rope” contrail. I’ve never heard it called “pearls on a rope”, or “chain of bb’s”
It’s the contrail left by the hypersonic jet “Aurora” and that’s about all I know about it.
If there is an Aurora... and it's a pulse jet or scram jet... that theoretically powers it.
Personally, I think Aurora was a fun figment of Aviation Week's imagination... I was at NASA when all the Hullabaloo came out. Everyone there discounted it. At the time, India was far ahead of the USA in scram/pulsejet technology anyway.
But, hey, it makes for a great conspiracy theory!
Cheers,
Sirhr
Personally, I think Aurora was a fun figment of Aviation Week's imagination... I was at NASA when all the Hullabaloo came out. Everyone there discounted it. At the time, India was far ahead of the USA in scram/pulsejet technology anyway.
But, hey, it makes for a great conspiracy theory!
Cheers,
Sirhr
I see nothing! I know nothing! (said in a Sgt Schultz German accent) 
I’ve heard bits and pieces about Aurora. I had no idea that it was all a myth.
Haha that’s to bad because I was looking forward to learning more about it. Oh well..
Well that's great because my next question has to do with just that!
Testors made a model of the F19 in the 80's. Some claim this is the Aurora plane. But the F19 had a real covert use. What was it?
To misguide the "interested, but uninvited, parties to believe it was something else...still yet to come?
Pretty much. The Russians bought thousands thinking they could reverse engineer the "stealth technology" because most of our other kit airplanes like that were to scale. They had nothing else to go on. They were likely the biggest customer of this model.
It's another example of how SDI really worked. There was real technology, but there was a lot of fakery too.
Some think it's actually the Aurora though, and for whatever reason isn't in inventory.
It's another example of how SDI really worked. There was real technology, but there was a lot of fakery too.
Some think it's actually the Aurora though, and for whatever reason isn't in inventory.
He real program was Have Blue. And the nickname was the Frisbee. It was also 'outed' in Tom Clancy's great novel "Red Storm Rising" which is still an amazing read to this day! He described the plane based on the Testors model.
It was a major psychological operation by the Agency and the DoD to 'get all mad' at Testors. Deny. Tell them to stop making the kit. Made a big splash. Soviets bought up tons of kits... scaled them up. Spent millions trying to make them stealthy. They did the same with a lot of technology....
In fact, here is a question:
During the 1970's, the Soviets penetrated the British Aerospace/French Aerospatiale so thoroughly that plans for the Concord were in Moscow as fast as they were off engineers desks. This resulted in the Soviet "Concordski" that crashed in its debut at the Paris Air Show. What spoof did the British SIS run on the Soviets after they found out about the penetration and leaks?
Cheers,
Sirhr
not the answer I'm looking for, but funny, they still fight that today. My answer came off an Army site.
FWIW, and to backtrack just a bit (ya'll are moving too fast) the Canadian Air Force had (has?) a fleet of Aurora's, but we're not talking about the same thing at all.
Ours were/are 4 engine turbo-prop sky-stages that were primarily of "what" purpose? And yes, they had a minor 'secondary' purpose, that was really important,,,,,,, but?
Ours were/are 4 engine turbo-prop sky-stages that were primarily of "what" purpose? And yes, they had a minor 'secondary' purpose, that was really important,,,,,,, but?
close...non combat role actually. It may involve combat, but not the primary mission.
Anti submarine warfare. Secondary: intelligence gathering.
They followed and fed the agent with false information that ensured their "copy" would never work, resulting in the crash at the Paris Airshow.
Exploring, surveying and mapping "our" land that we had purchased from France, the Louisana purchase. That was the Army's job beginning with Lewis and Clark.
That is actually correct. In 1794 Washington led a milita of 13,000 to put the rebellion down.
Yeah, you had me looking! Was about to use a lifeline and call my sister who teaches American History. I recall that being brought up in some class I took or another myself. The Continental Army had been disbanded and there was no standing army yet. The states rebelled against paying taxes on liquor to pay for the war, which the war was fought over (no taxation without representation but many took it as "no taxation" period). Washington recalled several thousand soldiers and made a show of force in 1791 (through 1794). People were pissed. IIRC, Washington wasn't paying taxes on the liquor he made and I don't think that sat well with others either (I may be in error about this).
A standing army was permitted not long after this, and 1792 saw the Legion of the United States, the first standing army.
Manifest Destiny is the push west but that was in 1801 with Lewis and Clark.
A standing army was permitted not long after this, and 1792 saw the Legion of the United States, the first standing army.
Manifest Destiny is the push west but that was in 1801 with Lewis and Clark.
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No worries bro, it was a good question. Some of the historical events overlapped making it a bit confusing, and I suppose it could be how you interpret it --Continental Army or US Army, militia or standing?
Got another? I'll put one up when I can think of a good one.
Got another? I'll put one up when I can think of a good one.
Realistically, you're probably right. When I was young and in Air Cadets, we toured CFB Comox (amonst many others) and we were 'told' that secondary was Search and Rescue. We were shown LOTS of SAR stuff and people, but 'very little' regarding the electronics and magnetometer and such.
Nope... they did that all on their own. There was a specific component that they provided "fake news" on. Cost the Sov's millions.
Cheers,
Sirhr
I wonder if it was that the whole core of Soviet jet compressors are one piece and not multiple and variable like the concorde. As well as the inlets being variable.
Close... The tires. They created a fake rubber formula and planted info that the speeds required this special compound. Aalso that it would revolutionize military fighter jet capabilities because tires would not melt at hypersonic speeds... Made it all code word top secret. When formula was followed the tires were soft as chewed bubblegum. Sovs went batty trying to make the tires work. Cheers, Sirhr.
That's one where they get so fixated on copying someone, that they forget they can come up with a workable solution of their own.
That was exactly their problem, but it worked SO well for the atom bomb. Like I said, there were Soviet engineers who were way ahead of their time who got snubbed because the govt. was more interested in reverse engineering, which doesn't really require engineers. Yeah, they were a rightfully pissed lot.
That's funny they did that with the tires... I wonder how many spoofs like this we've fallen for, it makes you wonder. There have to be some interesting ones but I can't think of any off hand.
This may well have been covered before but is a neat story and brings light into my eyes as well as tears.
WW-II Who was Franz Stigler and why did he and Charlie Brown have a friendship that lasted til both of their deaths?
WW-II Who was Franz Stigler and why did he and Charlie Brown have a friendship that lasted til both of their deaths?
I could answer but I didn't know and cheated and looked it up so I'll hold off. It's really cool though, and no, don't think that's been brought up.
Cheating makes answering this one too easy, so if you don't know guessing for a bit may make it more fun. The names are sort of a hint.
Cheating makes answering this one too easy, so if you don't know guessing for a bit may make it more fun. The names are sort of a hint.
All the more to make it a good read and know that chivalry was not dead then.
I would not have extended myself to Luke the Gook. I would have shot him between the eyes.
I did have a good relationship with an old Viet that worked in a local Chinese restaurant that was a porter down the Ho Chi Minh trail years ago when we were both there. I was a pall bearer and only spoke to him thru an interpreter, yet we both spoke the same language in our minds.
RIP Lam. FM
I would not have extended myself to Luke the Gook. I would have shot him between the eyes.
I did have a good relationship with an old Viet that worked in a local Chinese restaurant that was a porter down the Ho Chi Minh trail years ago when we were both there. I was a pall bearer and only spoke to him thru an interpreter, yet we both spoke the same language in our minds.
RIP Lam. FM
Stigler had Brown in the sights and was going to down him (his 3rd for the day). As he got close he saw the plane was defenseless and useless. So, he didn't fire on the already shredded B-17. he also saw the dead and wounded.
He tried to get him to just land, but Brown wanted to try for home. Anyhow, Stigler escorted the B-17 to the North Sea so the Germans wouldn't shoot him down with flak. Then he saluted him and let him go
They got in contact after the war. Stigler had emigrated to Canada and answered an ad for a reunion. That's how Brown found him.
I watched a documentary on it, but didn't remember what it was called.
He tried to get him to just land, but Brown wanted to try for home. Anyhow, Stigler escorted the B-17 to the North Sea so the Germans wouldn't shoot him down with flak. Then he saluted him and let him go
They got in contact after the war. Stigler had emigrated to Canada and answered an ad for a reunion. That's how Brown found him.
I watched a documentary on it, but didn't remember what it was called.
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A similar incident happened to one of our top aces. Can you name our guy and theirs?
Hint: The German pilots name is in "JG 26 Top Guns Of The Luftwaffe"
Hint: The German pilots name is in "JG 26 Top Guns Of The Luftwaffe"
This should be a good question. How was the first Iraq war uncovered months prior to the invasion? Who did it and what led him to believe an invasion was imminent?
The French theater commander (among others) was a member of,the France/Iraq friendship society. Was,leaking everything. Schwartzkopf and de la Billiere cut him off at the knees and IIRC the French replaced him at Thatchers insistence. Cheers, sirhr
I'm thinking of something that took place during the late summer and fall leading up to the invasion. It involved a hacking of milnet and discovery of certain resources.
Nobody actually believed him until after it happened.
Nobody actually believed him until after it happened.
I couldn't remember the names either. But since he posted them and I knew the story I figured that was it.
You all know the guy that hacked milnet, that's a clue, but what was it he found that tipped him off that US soldiers were planning a buildup in the Middle East? It's pretty common too. A name you all know and a product you are all familiar with.
That's the best I can do really. Enjoy!
That's the best I can do really. Enjoy!
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