Maggie’s Military Jeopardy

[Barneybdb]

The problem is Google, Wiki etc are all knowing now. My background is mainly military aviation research and development and counter terrorism so things in my knowledge base are probably not suitable for discussion. The questions that we have had so far have greatly refreshed my military history and sometimes the research has led me to learn other unexpected things. Maybe we could tweak the format a little?

 

[Sean the Nailer]

I'm definitely not one for "I gotta google a question, fast" simply because there's no actual knowledge there. So many have put up questions, that I didn't have a clue about. So I sat by, and waited. I've thrown up a few, and tried to be both specific and cryptic with my clues. As well as a few other 'off-the-cuff' questions.
But with regards to the actual "knowledge-base" that we have here, it is incredible. I enjoy seeing the discussions about outlandish concepts and experiences that I'm enjoying, vicariously.
My background is 'different', to say the least. I design, build, maintain, repair, and improve upon things. It ain't 'classified', it's just nowhere near as interesting or exciting as so many of ya'lls fun.
And I enjoy learning. I know what I don't know, and yearn to fix that.
But for those of us here who actually know the answers, sing out. Leave the googling alone. Sometimes I do google terms/words that I'm unfamiliar with that ya'll happen to throw out in discussions. Therein lies the yearning.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

This guy blew up in an effort to test the first U.S. Cruise Missile....

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[Barneybdb]

Would Aphrodite have anything to do with the answer?

 

[sirhrmechanic]

No. But someone named MaryJo might... indirectly.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[Barneybdb]

My initial guess was going to be Joe Kennedy Jr, will need to do some more thinking.....

 

[sirhrmechanic]

My initial guess was going to be Joe Kennedy Jr, will need to do some more thinking.....

Right on... he turned himself into atoms in a defective radio controlled B-17... while trying to take out Hitler's supergun sites in France.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[Barneybdb]

Not sure if it was a B 17, read something different here: http://www.ctie.monash.edu/hargrave/rpav_usa.html

Incidentally, the BQ-7 was not the plane responsible for the death of Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. The plane that killed JFK's older brother was a converted Consolidated PB4Y-1, a Navy version of the B-24 Liberator.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Not sure if it was a B 17, read something different here: http://www.ctie.monash.edu/hargrave/rpav_usa.html

Incidentally, the BQ-7 was not the plane responsible for the death of Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. The plane that killed JFK's older brother was a converted Consolidated PB4Y-1, a Navy version of the B-24 Liberator.

You are right... BQ8... The B17 was one version. Not his. He was flying the plane when a radio signal blew it up.. early.

Cheers,

Sirhr

P.S. I did not know the program was Aphrodite... so whoever above said that term... right on!

 

[Barneybdb]

Who can come up with the earliest war photo?

 

[Barneybdb]

Better not get any wrong........

https://zoo.com/quiz/92-people-cant...MIkceUlNPS2QIVRiSWCh3y2Qy6EAEYASAAEgIOB_D_BwE

 

[MarinePMI]

That was way too easy...

 

[Foul Mike]

If you were a grunt in RVN circa 1969 and called back to the rear and asked for a "cloud" what did you want and what would you get?
I am sure it was not only then but many other periods. FM

 

[MarinePMI]

Smoke?

 

[Foul Mike]

MarinePMI, your getting there, close, but not quite.
Here is a clue. You had map in hand.

 

[MarinePMI]

Hmmm...I'm thinking CAS now, with a FAE or Napalm...but I'm a former radio operator, so when I had a map in hand, it was for CAS, CIFS, HST's or airdrops.

 

[Mike Casselton]

This guy blew up in an effort to test the first U.S. Cruise Missile....

Cheers,

Sirhr

I was thinking Slim Pickins...

 

[Strykervet]

MarinePMI, your getting there, close, but not quite.
Here is a clue. You had map in hand.

Cluster munitions?

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Cluster munitions were Snake... As in "Snake-eye canisters." Napalm was Nape.

I am wondering if the term "Cloud" was for Air Cover in general? Map in hand was to call in grid reference to make damn sure you weren't getting it dropped danger-in-your-lap.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[Foul Mike]

You're making it too hard.
Clue#2 Where am I?

 

[Foul Mike]

OK you fart knockers, I got you on that one. I thought another grunt or FO would come up with the answer.
It is not really commonly known apparently but when out humping the bush we did not at the time I was there have the best of maps, we ran with what we had.
When we would find a position where we could see for a ways we would get our map out and call back for a "cloud."

We would look everything over and hope we were correct as to our position but to check it out we would pick out a position away from us so as to not give OUR position away and call for a "cloud" at the grid square we had picked out.
We would call the Redlegs and they would plot it in and fire 1 round of WP, white phosphorus, wilie pete, Wilson Pickett, what ever the current slang was.
The round was set to burst 500m. high over the ground at the coordinates sent giving out a white "cloud" of smoke that you could see from a long ways away. We would then check our calibrations we had on our map and go from there.
Personally, I never had more than 1 fired usually but on occasion with a change in coordinates, 2, to get 2 azimuths to shoot with the compass if I wasn't sure. One was usually enough for me.
These missions could be shot by the Redlegs with smoke as well but it seemed like smoke wasn't in the inventory much whereas WP was.
WP put out a nice "cloud" 500m in the air that was soon gone. FM

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Not only interesting... but useful information!

Great post!

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[Strykervet]

Yeah it was, I was thinking WP but we always called it "whiskey pete". 11B with FO training and never hear of or did this. We had pluggers but of course they never worked (it was batteries or no satellites or not enough or too much cover) so it was map and compass.

 

[MarinePMI]

Where does the term "Pog" come from, and what does it mean?

 

[Foul Mike]

PMI Good question.
I know what I feel they are and feel it is not "Person Other than Grunt" and is a term used by the Marines.
I was never around too many Marines other than to fly in on our birds as a ready reaction force to back them up when they were in deep shit and needed assistance.
I think it started during Korea and had something to do with young Korean boys "serving" the Officers and is a bastardization of a Korean word.
I have seen it spelled differently as, POG, Pogue etc. and the Jarheads I have asked about it have all given different explanations and different pronunciations for it as if it were a sacred secret word used only by them. Maybe they were all pogues and didn't want to admit it.
I would like to know the correct pronunciation for the word/term.
During my time in the Army 68/70 our words for what I believe are the same thing were, REMF, Lifer[not all as some were out in the field with US,] but the ones with rank that sat on their nuts on an LZ or Firebase or rear area, and just all that were in the rear with the gear and not out humping the bush. FM E Co 5/7 Cav 1st Cavalry Division 69/70
PS US was the first letters of a person's serial number that were drafted into that shit

 

[MarinePMI]

The term "POG" originated in the Navy actually. Sailors of Irish descent (during the Civil War) used the word "pogue" (the Gaelic word for "kiss") to reference those sailors that never left shore (and "stole kisses" from the local women while they were away). It became a pejorative to those that never went to sea. It was then picked up by the embarked Marines, as a reference to those who never saw combat. From there is made it into the Army jargon. Only recently was it abbreviated to POG (Person Other than a Grunt).

 

[Foul Mike]

I think we are ready for the next question. Who poses that?
We have sure been through a lot of things and I am sure that I as well as others have learned a lot and done a lot of research that we may not have done other than this thread and all have learned a lot.
I hate to see this thread close as I have been all around the world looking things up and have learned all about Mills Bombs and cutting fuses and other neat things to know.
So if no one asks the next question I do have one in mind but don't want to put it out there just yet.
Somebody take the wheel on this next one. FM

 

[timesublime]

The US airlift in this conflict resulted in the oil embargo of 73.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Yom Kippur War.

The Six Day War arguably also turned the US into the Great Satan... when we got incorrectly blamed for the Arabs failure....

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[sirhrmechanic]

The term "POG" originated in the Navy actually. Sailors of Irish descent (during the Civil War) used the word "pogue" (the Gaelic word for "kiss") to reference those sailors that never left shore (and "stole kisses" from the local women while they were away). It became a pejorative to those that never went to sea. It was then picked up by the embarked Marines, as a reference to those who never saw combat. From there is made it into the Army jargon. Only recently was it abbreviated to POG (Person Other than a Grunt).

Interesting.... I sort of figured that Pogue and POG had similar origins... and that Pogue was 'not' POG.

Very neat post! Thanks PMI!

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[Foul Mike]

This one will take some thinking and research and asking around as I, the poser of this question, am not sure of the answer but my feeble mind thinks I know what it is but was not in an Admin. situation and we need harder questions.

During my time in RVN we had to call back on the Prick 25or77 and give our "foxhole" count usually daily if the situation permitted.
During that transmission casualties were referred to as Line 1 or Line 2.
So, the question is, What report was being sent in and what was the difference between Line 1 and Line 2. FM

 

[MarinePMI]

On hand personnel vs. WIA . PERSTAT (Personnel Status report)

 

[Foul Mike]

PMI,I think it needs to go back farther. 60s to 70s .
"Foxhole" count was personnel on or in the ground or on hand as you stated.
Line 1 and Line 2 were something else as to casualties..
Thinking back on the slang I think I know what it was but am not sure.

 

[MarinePMI]

walking wounded versus combat ineffective?

 

[Strykervet]

walking wounded versus combat ineffective?

That's my guess in a nutshell too.

 

[Foul Mike]

This was kind of a bogus question I guess, as I was not sure of the answer to start with but was hoping someone else would remember. It has been a long time and my memory is fading.
It was some kind of status report or after action report or daily report about casualties and/or the well being of your troops on the ground given over the radio.
It may have been only used by the 1st. Cav or maybe even only my Battalion. but I know I had to do it as often as possible to keep the Lifers happy. I am not sure.
It was short and sweet and didn't take long to send. It also had lines with numbers as to what you needed as far as food, water, ammo, gear etc.
What I think I remember is that Line 1 was KIA, and Line 2 was WIA and their status as to evac or the lack thereof.
One thing I do remember, quite vividly, was one of the other Squad Leaders in my platoon, as we were having a bowl and a beer in the rear, being really pissed about a new REMF 2nd. LT that knew nothing but thought he did and was out to change the world, being assigned to us.
The Squad leader said,"If that REMF motherfucker doesn't quit fucking us up I am going to Line1 him." and he meant it. It took a while for us to chill him out, but he was ready to go take care of business. I do remember that but he may have used Line 2 as well.
With that Bin of Shit, I will close this question and ask for the next question.
FM E Co. 5/7 Cav 1st. Cav Div. 69/70
Where is Cav has Been? He may have the answer.

 

[MarinePMI]

That sounds a lot like a 9 line message...

 

[Foul Mike]

Might be, we were always in a 9 line bind. We had lashups too.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Ok... clue in another thread... but what is considered the first "Hostage Rescue" of modern warfare?

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[MarinePMI]

Entebbe?

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Nope.....

 

[MarinePMI]

Are we talking military or just law enforcement?

 

[Barneybdb]

Munich Olympics?

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Military... the answer lies in another thread... ;-)

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[MarinePMI]

Military... the answer lies in another thread... ;-)

Cheers,

Sirhr

You're enjoying this way too much....

 

[Foul Mike]

Off hand I remember an operation involving Japanese troops in Puru about 95 0r 96. and an Embassy.
I don't think that is what you are after so I will go with Dunkirk.
Getting older, Masada. FM
What kind of a time period are you thinking about?

 

[ADA]

Mussolini?

 

[sirhrmechanic]

One last clue.... Tara...

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[MarinePMI]

Hmmm...the rescue Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman’s family in Dhanmondi, India, 1971?

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Nope.... Guess this one can't be Googled! ;-) Easily.

The answer is in another thread.....

Cheers,

Sirhr