More Adult Children Living with Parents

[PatMiles]

Nolte: More Adult Children Living With Parents

It doesn't get any sadder than this: "19 percent of men and 12 percent of women in the 25-34 demographic cohabit with their parents."

www.breitbart.com

John Nolte




It doesn’t get any sadder than this: “19 percent of men and 12 percent of women in the 25-34 demographic cohabit with their parents.”
Nearly a fifth — a fifth! — of men aged 25-34 live with Mom and Dad?
What?
At least the parents aren’t happy about it.
The Hill reports:

A recent Pew survey found two-fifths of dads believe parents hosting adult children is bad for society, while only 12 percent think it’s a good thing. Moms agree, albeit to a lesser degree.
…
COVID-19 sent adult children back to the nest in unprecedented numbers. A stampede of younger millennials and older Generation Z progeny have fled roommates and cramped urban apartments during the pandemic for spacious homes in thinly settled suburbs with full kitchens and convenient laundry facilities.

I have terrific parents. I really do…
I. Could. Not. Wait. To. Get. Out. Of. The. House.
Right after barely graduating high school I was out the door in my own apartment. Things went sideways about a year later, and I had to move back in. But I moved back out after a few months, while I was still 19, and haven’t been back since.
I don’t care how great your parents are. Why would anyone want to live with their parents?
Yes, I get that you save money and all that. But how do you put a price on independence? How do you put a price on the healthy pride that comes with knowing you are making your own way in the world? I’m 57 years old and still take pride in that.
It was 1985; I made $5.00 an hour; I made it. Barely. But I made it. My own apartment (no roommate), a bus pass every week, phone, electric, groceries… I made it. No HBO. Nothing like that, but the sense of living on my own, doing what I wanted, having my very own place… I still love it.
These parents are not doing their children any favors. Yes, parents should always be there to help, especially in an emergency or health tragedy. But to allow your 25-34-year-old kid to basically freeload… That’s not helping. That is stunting that kid’s growth. You have to push them out of the nest. You must love them enough to force them to stand on their own two feet. I’ve worked two jobs. I’ve worked 100 hours a week. You do what you gotta do, and those struggles are what forge you into an adult, into a man.
Letting a grown man work part-time at Safeway and spend the rest of his time in his childhood bedroom watching internet porn, playing video games, and getting high on edibles is a disservice.
Give him a time limit. Stick to it. Love your kid enough to take the hit to do what’s right for him.
During the first six months of the pandemic, the percentage of adults under the age of 30 who lived with their parents increased from 47 percent to 52 percent, according to the Hill.
That I get. That makes sense. The pandemic was an emergency. What’s more, how many parents and kids would’ve been all alone all those months had they not cohabitated? That 47 to 52 percent wasn’t just about finances. It was about families coming together. That’s a great thing. That’s what families are for.
But.
“In the years since, much of American life has returned to normal. But many pandemic boomerang kids remain in the parental home: two-thirds, by one estimate.”

 

[HeavyAssault]

Ummmm...it's okay. We are here to help. Just talk to us. When did all this start?

 

[mikeshaw2]

I got kicked out of the house by the ex- and was living with friends when my Dad died. If I hadn't moved home, Mom would have had to sell the house years ago.

Is it optimal? No
It is helping? Yes

M

 

[_Windrider_]

Historically multigenerational living is the norm. Only the in the last say 100 years in America has it become not normal. Just like in the market, we are seeing a correction. It’s not for everyone but it was a privelage to have my mom and return the favor as she fought cancer. It’s the least I could do.

 

[Ronws]

Funny thing is, living with my mother was not easy. But I loved her dearly. And was glad to move out on my own. I also had to move back briefly but have lived on my own since I was 20, which was about 38 years ago. When I was living on my own, my mother and I were great friends. And these many years later, I value her wisdom and values she gave to me.

One choice bit that I think the Outlaws MC borrowed from her, "May God forgive you because I won't." (The club's motto was that "God Forgive, Brotherhood Doesn't.")

Another one for those who had wronged us. "When I am done, you will wish to God you had never met me." That was not a threat, it was a prophecy that came true, regardless of a person's religion or lack thereof.

Gonna go ahead and bring in a bit of wisdom from the Bible, which my "mean" mother had us read through a few times in my teen years. A young man and a young woman should leave their homes and cling to each other as one flesh. Translation, get out there on your own and find a spouse and have kids and a home. It was meant to be that way.

Or, as I like to say, where there is will, there is a family waiting for someone to die.

 

[chevy_man]

Can't have anything to do with record land and housing prices?

$2k/month for rent on $15/hr is a little silly.

 

[Short-bus]

I think there's too many variables to decide whether it's right or wrong. I'm sure there are some freeloading lazy fucks out there i'm sure, but what if they're working through something we don't understand, and staying with their parents is helping them resolve those problems. My daughter is turning 18 in a couple weeks, and she'll be going to college next fall. After she graduates, i'm concerned that she's not going to be able to afford an apartment, let alone have the ability to buy a house. She may end up having to stay with us until she has enough money to prepay 6 months of rent, or a down payment on a house.

My first apartment when I got out of the army, I didn't have any credit, I was 21 and had just spent the last 3 years in the army. I didn't have a job yet, and clearly they didn't think I was going to be a good renter. They asked if I could pay the first 6 months of rent up front. Fortunately I spent my last 8 months of my time saving my money, and writing a check for $3360 wasn't a problem.

Everyone's story is different, and perhaps we need to spend more time letting folks handle their own situations, and less trying to tell them what to do. Offer advice when asked for it, but make sure they understand that you're merely offering your opinion on the matter.

The way shits going in this country, there's a strong possibility that single family homes are going to turn into multi-family homes for a multitude of reasons.

That's just my view anyway.

Branden

 

[_Windrider_]

I think there's too many variables to decide whether it's right or wrong. I'm sure there are some freeloading lazy fucks out there i'm sure, but what if they're working through something we don't understand, and staying with their parents is helping them resolve those problems. My daughter is turning 18 in a couple weeks, and she'll be going to college next fall. After she graduates, i'm concerned that she's not going to be able to afford an apartment, let alone have the ability to buy a house. She may end up having to stay with us until she has enough money to prepay 6 months of rent, or a down payment on a house.

My first apartment when I got out of the army, I didn't have any credit, I was 21 and had just spent the last 3 years in the army. I didn't have a job yet, and clearly they didn't think I was going to be a good renter. They asked if I could pay the first 6 months of rent up front. Fortunately I spent my last 8 months of my time saving my money, and writing a check for $3360 wasn't a problem.

Everyone's story is different, and perhaps we need to spend more time letting folks handle their own situations, and less trying to tell them what to do. Offer advice when asked for it, but make sure they understand that you're merely offering your opinion on the matter.

The way shits going in this country, there's a strong possibility that single family homes are going to turn into multi-family homes for a multitude of reasons.

That's just my view anyway.

Branden

There is a huge difference between those trying to get a leg up and those that are just plain freeloading. I fully expect both my kids to be home into their mid 20’s at least based on what’s happening these days. Thankfully I have the room.

 

[Snipe260]

my kid moved out soon as he started college. Go’s to school full time and works everyday. Not many like that these days though

 

[candyx]

65 still in the basement, mom cuts the lawn and takes out the garbage.

 

[Tempest 455]

We live in different times today. Things are way different today for kids than when I was 18 and on my own. Will never forget what my father in-law said about 20 years ago. Was very prophetic:

He said, I think we are going to see family's living together like they did in the 1,800's.
I remember he said it like yesterday and look where we are since then.

 

[Maser]

I became a father when I was 16 and by 17 I was outta my parent's house and never looked back.

 

[fdkay]

Didn't anybody watch the Waltons?

 

[Rthur]

Comparing taking care of loved ones with failure to launch is a false dichotomy.
Not that common in these parts but maybe being rural has made a difference.

R

 

[RUTGERS95]

I got kicked out of the house by the ex- and was living with friends when my Dad died. If I hadn't moved home, Mom would have had to sell the house years ago.

Is it optimal? No
It is helping? Yes

M

I don't think the article or the OP is intimating circumstances such as your own but instead, the millions of fking moron young adults that can't cross the street without their parents

 

[Maggot]

It can be really sad. I know a few that never really left mama. One cat didd move out but ended up living with his mother in a tiny 2-1 from bout 4o until he died. Another, a talented musician but kept drinking himself back to mom's basement.

I guess if it worked for them who am I to judge,

 

[Carlos Danger]

Title should read "Parents need to grow a set of balls and KICK THEIR FUCKING KIDS OUT OF THE FUCKING HOUSE".

 

[Zane1844]

Rent, and everything is insane, and pay isn’t keeping up. I’ll be shocked if the numbers don’t go up to 50% or more.

 

[Milo 2.5]

It's fun to profile younger generations at times, but I am not 100% sure the playing field is linear to what I had to go through 45 yrs ago.
With investments firms' sole purpose of making money off properties, middle man insertion cannot be welcome. I hear they hate us baby boomers, not sure I blame them, though make no mistake, we hated them first.

 

[BCP]

Well let's see

Outsource/offshore entire industries

Kill unions

Run wages into the dirt

Blow the housing market straight to the Moon

Inflation out the ass

"WhY aReN't PeOplE BuYinG HoUsEs" /facepalm

 

[Thumper580]

I always hear about how expensive rent, etc is today....and it's true. I'm not sure if it's still a valid explanation....
I'm 67. When I got married in 1979 my apartment rent was $195.00 a month. Sounds awesome.... however I made $8900.00 a year.... I had a POS used car and about $25.00 in my checking account at the end of the month, many times less. No luxuries at all, I expected to poor as a church mouse until I got my career going.... Not like that today....IPhone, IWatch, new car, nice clothes, hip apartment. etc. etc. Young people today weren't raised to accept starting off at the bottom and working yourself upward.... They expect to start off really nice, THEN advance.

 

[BCP]

I always hear about how expensive rent, etc is today....and it's true. I'm not sure if it's still a valid explanation....
I'm 67. When I got married in 1979 my apartment rent was $195.00 a month. Sounds awesome.... however I made $8900.00 a year.... I had a POS used car and about $25.00 in my checking account at the end of the month, many times less. No luxuries at all, I expected to poor as a church mouse until I got my career going.... Not like that today....IPhone, IWatch, new car, nice clothes, hip apartment. etc. etc. Young people today weren't raised to accept starting off at the bottom and working yourself upward.... They expect to start off really nice, THEN advance.

An apartment in phoenix is about 1500-2000 a month depending on whether or not you want bars on the windows, to keep the income/rent ratio you had it would need to be about 50-60k a year napkin math - to live in Phoenix metro area which is a pit. Meanwhile your 8900 would be like 35k today. That's why people are living 2-3 in a house, staying at home, whatever.

If this continues our future generations won't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

 

[W54/XM-388]

If this continues our future generations won't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

It will of course continue because the Global Elites are getting rid of that pesky middle class with all their ideas about rights.
The world is on a direct course back to the Feudal system and it's going to be every bit as brutal as it was a thousand years ago.
Most humans will be serfs with ownership of nothing and forced to serve their brutal overlords to pay the rent on a room in a hovel.

You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to see it coming. The Global Elites are proudly announcing it to the world and making up catchy slogans to help you accept being a serf.

 

[Thumper580]

An apartment in phoenix is about 1500-2000 a month depending on whether or not you want bars on the windows, to keep the income/rent ratio you had it would need to be about 50-60k a year napkin math - to live in Phoenix metro area which is a pit. Meanwhile your 8900 would be like 35k today. That's why people are living 2-3 in a house, staying at home, whatever.

If this continues our future generations won't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

I agree, however young folks in 1979 shared apartments to make ends meet... It was expected.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

Funny thing is, living with my mother was not easy. But I loved her dearly. And was glad to move out on my own. I also had to move back briefly but have lived on my own since I was 20, which was about 38 years ago. When I was living on my own, my mother and I were great friends. And these many years later, I value her wisdom and values she gave to me.

One choice bit that I think the Outlaws MC borrowed from her, "May God forgive you because I won't." (The club's motto was that "God Forgive, Brotherhood Doesn't.")

Another one for those who had wronged us. "When I am done, you will wish to God you had never met me." That was not a threat, it was a prophecy that came true, regardless of a person's religion or lack thereof.

Gonna go ahead and bring in a bit of wisdom from the Bible, which my "mean" mother had us read through a few times in my teen years. A young man and a young woman should leave their homes and cling to each other as one flesh. Translation, get out there on your own and find a spouse and have kids and a home. It was meant to be that way.

Or, as I like to say, where there is will, there is a family waiting for someone to die.

I hear ya and am with you of course, but it actually days "man shall leave his mother and father and cling to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh".

If you are married, you know just how accurate this really is. Boys are different than girls, but yes, the two are supposed to become one and make their own life, pretty hard to do when little Johnny is still laying around moms house playing whatever the latest video game is.


While it's true that basically our society is the only society that separates family the way we do, as well as putting kids in their own room vs the parents bed when they are little...... IT WORKED INCREDIBLY WELL!!!!

The idea that we should compare our culture to the other cultures who are simply not as good , and somehow we should go backwards with ours just because other cultures do so, is hog wash. America and Americans were great before we started fleeing our own culture and giving our country away. It was THE GREATEST EVER. This is fact.

 

[BCP]

It will of course continue because the Global Elites are getting rid of that pesky middle class with all their ideas about rights.
The world is on a direct course back to the Feudal system and it's going to be every bit as brutal as it was a thousand years ago.
Most humans will be serfs with ownership of nothing and forced to serve their brutal overlords to pay the rent on a room in a hovel.

You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to see it coming. The Global Elites are proudly announcing it to the world and making up catchy slogans to help you accept being a serf.

It wasn’t that long ago that company housing, stores and scrip were a thing. I’m sure guys like Bezos would love to have all of us living and working in “Amazon Town” under similar circumstances.

 

[Maggot]

I hear ya and am with you of course, but it actually days "man shall leave his mother and father and cling to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh".

If you are married, you know just how accurate this really is. Boys are different than girls, but yes, the two are supposed to become one and make their own life, pretty hard to do when little Johnny is still laying around moms house playing whatever the latest video game is.


While it's true that basically our society is the only society that separates family the way we do, as well as putting kids in their own room vs the parents bed when they are little...... IT WORKED INCREDIBLY WELL!!!!

The idea that we should compare our culture to the other cultures who are simply not as good , and somehow we should go backwards with ours just because other cultures do so, is hog wash. America and Americans were great before we started fleeing our own culture and giving our country away. It was THE GREATEST EVER. This is fact.

That is so ethnocentric it reeks. (Almost) every culture believes its the best. As I see it every one has its advantages and disadvantages, its all a matter of perspective. We have hot showers and flush toilets but we also have nuclear bombs and sarin gas. I reckon being evaporated by a nuke is quicker and preferable to being eaten by a lion but youre still dead.

It wasn’t that long ago that company housing, stores and scrip were a thing. I’m sure guys like Bezos would love to have all of us living and working in “Amazon Town” under similar circumstances.

Thats what they're aiming for. "You will on nothing and we dont give a shit because we own you."

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

That is so ethnocentric it reeks. (Almost) every culture believes its the best. As I see it every one has its advantages and disadvantages, its all a matter of perspective. We have hot showers and flush toilets but we also have nuclear bombs and sarin gas. I reckon being evaporated by a nuke is quicker and preferable to being eaten by a lion but youre still dead.






Fair enough in part, I dont get the ethno centric part and frankly its knee jerk and typical, and I expected a more well thought out response from you. (American culture is THE ONLY CULTURE CREATED FROM MULTIPLE ETHNICITIES).

My only point is that just because other cultures do things doesn't mean it's right for Americans. It may be right for that culture, but not for Our culture. Yes every culture has good and bad that go with the various norms ect, but our culture has enabled things that no other has, and that shouldn't be just tossed out or dismissed. My feelings generally is that American culture is constantly attacked and we have done ourselves a MASSIVE disservice by watering down our own culture that was forged by great trials and tribulation. I think my point is self evident considering the times we find ourselves in.

 

[Hecouldgoalltheway]

I have adult children living in my home that won't leave. My wife doesn't want them to leave, I stopped fighting with her about it long ago.

I think there may be an evolutionary trend taking place before our eyes as well. 150 years ago the average life expectancy was much shorter, like half of what it is now, and life came at you fast. The norm was to be married and pregnant by 13. Now, life is longer and significantly easier, and the evolutionary pressures of things like survival and procreation for the purpose of a labor force just don't exist anymore. Kids don't mature as quickly as they used to because there's is no pressure to grow up. This isn't a good thing either. This generation of kids have had access to the internet since birth, literally the collective knowledge of all human intelligence in the palms of their hands, accessible at any moment, and instead of making them more intelligent, it has created morons. You don't have to remember anything when all of the answers are in that Chinese idiot box in your pocket. We are watching humanity slide back down the evolutionary ladder right before out eyes..

 

[mvphilly]

Where i grew up the town was largely made up of Italian immigrants. They all had 2 and 3 family houses the entire family would live in and stay for generations. Only in the last few decades has the trend changed and now the newer generations go their own way.

 

[OldSalty2]

Historically multigenerational living is the norm. Only the in the last say 100 years in America has it become not normal. Just like in the market, we are seeing a correction. It’s not for everyone but it was a privelage to have my mom and return the favor as she fought cancer. It’s the least I could do.

Now the normal is more slaves to debt.

 

[ggmanning]

I have adult children living in my home that won't leave. My wife doesn't want them to leave

This is how it seems to go when I see it where I live also. It's the women and many times it's a very freaky psuedo Oedipus thing with sons. They are more devoted and interested in being the be all end all for their sons than their husbands. Their life revolves around handling eveything for these kids that should be on their own. They helicopter around them like they are complete invalids. There is a change in the kids too though. What real adult, especially a man in their 20's lets momma continue to handle every aspect of their lives? It's a sad statement on the lack of responsibility and drive that is part of the school system and society indoctrination of mediocrity and less. When it has creeped into rural farm country where I live it must be rampant in suburbia. I agree it is sliding down the ladder for sure. I am not that old...54....and I had kids and wife I provided for at the age these apathetic mooches can't even clean their room.

 

[BCP]

I have adult children living in my home that won't leave. My wife doesn't want them to leave, I stopped fighting with her about it long ago.

I think there may be an evolutionary trend taking place before our eyes as well. 150 years ago the average life expectancy was much shorter, like half of what it is now, and life came at you fast. The norm was to be married and pregnant by 13. Now, life is longer and significantly easier, and the evolutionary pressures of things like survival and procreation for the purpose of a labor force just don't exist anymore. Kids don't mature as quickly as they used to because there's is no pressure to grow up. This isn't a good thing either. This generation of kids have had access to the internet since birth, literally the collective knowledge of all human intelligence in the palms of their hands, accessible at any moment, and instead of making them more intelligent, it has created morons. You don't have to remember anything when all of the answers are in that Chinese idiot box in your pocket. We see watching humanity slide back down the evolutionary ladder right before out eyes..

It's economics. If you look at wages vs housing prices, health care, gas etc they have lagged waaaaaaaay behind inflation. Hell my father making 6$ an hour as a gardener back in the early 70s (southern california) had similar purchasing power to someone making 100$ an hour in southern california today.

Automobiles are another one. The majority of the american population is driving around in a 10+ year old car.

The vast majority of the american population is becoming poorer and it's not for lack of effort.

 

[Longshot231]

I moved out after turning 18 and graduating high school.

I had to share living space with about 50 other men. They called it a barracks.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Sounds like a parenting failure to me...

Used to be that after High Scool it was: Job. College. Or Military. Not "hang out in parents basement."

Meh, whatever. It's what you get for letting your semi-autistic little spawn get a degree in Sanskrit or crap in a litter box.

Sirhr

 

[ggmanning]

Economics is a crutch and an excuse. I was broke as hell but and had as many roomates or jobs as needed to move out and start my adult life at 18. I see nothing wrong with staying home a short while to get started but we are talking about kids staying home to mid to late 20's and worse.
My parents made it clear early on that I better prepare myself to take care of myself and they meant it. I passed on the same to mine. If it was pure economics parents would require older kids staying at home to pull some weight even minor ....some rent, responsibility, etc. That is not the norm. They stay home not to save money for ecomic reasons but to continue their role as children well past the expiration date of said title.

It is mindset.

 

[Longshot231]

The juxtapositional aspect in a lot of these situations is that the kidlet is living at home free of rent with victuals provided.

They don’t help with chores or any family finances, even if gainfully employed.

Basically, they are still acting like a kidlet but demand to be treated as an adult.

With that said I marvel out how tough the mothers must be to continue to tit-feed these kidlets well after they’ve lost their baby teeth and have their second set in place.

The nipples on those breasts are probably as calloused as a bricklayer’s hands.

 

[Hecouldgoalltheway]

It's economics. If you look at wages vs housing prices, health care, gas etc they have lagged waaaaaaaay behind inflation. Hell my father making 6$ an hour as a gardener back in the early 70s (southern california) had similar purchasing power to someone making 100$ an hour in southern california today.

Automobiles are another one. The majority of the american population is driving around in a 10+ year old car.

The vast majority of the american population is becoming poorer and it's not for lack of effort.

California doesn't factor into this equation. If you are smart enough write your own name without help and you're still there, then you get what you get. The idea that it is more difficult now to move out on your own than it was when I did it in 1996 is weak. I would have done whatever it took to be my own man. They lack commitment. They lack resolve. They lack intestinal fortitude, but mostly they lack ambition, completely..

 

[79steeler]

Here it is, this is not 1980 anymore. I don't condone kids living with their parents till they are 40 either, but have you seen the price of an apartment? In Phoenix anything without crackheads hanging around out front is 1,400 to 1,800 bucks a month. Even if your making 20 bucks an hour after taxes you can barely afford rent let alone car payment and and food, clothes, utilities....ect. This is the world we live in. It has become so expensive to live in the United States it's ridiculous. It's going to get worse folks. I see families have to start living together again with everyone working.

In the 50's a man could support his family by himself, in the 70's and eighties it took a married couples income to live decent, middle class. Today it's a struggle to live on anything less than a $100k a year and to live good it takes 150 to 200k for a couple to live good and save money for retirement. The price of things in this country are outrageous and it's gonna get worse. A nice diesel truck it close to 100k, outrageous? My parent bought a huge house in Portland in 1976 for 50k. Today that same house is probable a million dollars.

I work with a bunch of young kids that are 18 to 21 years old and they hate living with their parents. They get paid 16 bucks an hour and no way they can move out on there own, apartments in Phoenix are way over priced, most of them don't have the credit established that is required to rent anything. The new normal for moving out of Mom and Dad's it probable 26. By then hopefully they have a degree and a decent job and have saved for a year or two. Keep in mind college isn't for everyone. What about the kids that don't get or cant afford a higher education? The road is rough in todays world.

 

[Lightning8]

Meanwhile the military cannot meet its recruiting quotas. Maybe some of the 18 to 25 males/females/whatever could enlist and leave home? Wait, most cannot meet the basic (low) entry requirements to enlist

 

[Hecouldgoalltheway]

Here it is, this is not 1980 anymore. I don't condone kids living with their parents till they are 40 either, but have you seen the price of an apartment? In Phoenix anything without crackheads hanging around out front is 1,400 to 1,800 bucks a month. Even if your making 20 bucks an hour after taxes you can barely afford rent let alone car payment and and food, clothes, utilities....ect. This is the world we live in. It has become so expensive to live in the United States it's ridiculous. It's going to get worse folks. I see families have to start living together again with everyone working.

In the 50's a man could support his family by himself, in the 70's and eighties it took a married couples income to live decent, middle class. Today it's a struggle to live on anything less than a $100k a year and to live good it takes 150 to 200k for a couple to live good and save money for retirement. The price of things in this country are outrageous and it's gonna get worse. A nice diesel truck it close to 100k, outrageous? My parent bought a huge house in Portland in 1976 for 50k. Today that same house is probable a million dollars.

I work with a bunch of young kids that are 18 to 21 years old and they hate living with their parents. They get paid 16 bucks an hour and no way they can move out on there own, apartments in Phoenix are way over priced, most of them don't have the credit established that is required to rent anything. The new normal for moving out of Mom and Dad's it probable 26. By then hopefully they have a degree and a decent job and have saved for a year or two. Keep in mind college isn't for everyone. What about the kids that don't get or cant afford a higher education? The road is rough in todays world.

Everything you just described is the product of your town being overrun by californian's and bringing their communism with them. Most of the country isn't dealing with that level of bullshit. And, they should leave. Americans have been dealing with what you describe on different levels for at least 100 years. You put your shit in your vehicle and you move somewhere you can afford to get going. All that shit is an excuse..

 

[MadDuner]

Upon graduation from High School my parents announced they were selling the house and moving to another state.... and that I had better figure out what I was going to do from that point forward. It was the best thing they could have ever done for me, although to be truthful - I thought it was done to me at the time.

I got a couple of roommates and we rented a house.
I worked 100 hrs a week, and saved all I could for a down payment on a house.
I bought my first house at age 20.

Kids could probably do this today... if they wanted to.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Meanwhile the military cannot meet its recruiting quotas. Maybe some of the 18 to 25 males/females/whatever could enlist and leave home? Wait, most cannot meet the basic (low) entry requirements to enlist

Why would anyone intelligent and freedom minded have any notion of wanting to enlist in today's woke military indoctrination camps?

 

[OldSalty2]

Economics is a crutch and an excuse. I was broke as hell but and had as many roomates or jobs as needed to move out and start my adult life at 18. I see nothing wrong with staying home a short while to get started but we are talking about kids staying home to mid to late 20's and worse.
My parents made it clear early on that I better prepare myself to take care of myself and they meant it. I passed on the same to mine. If it was pure economics parents would require older kids staying at home to pull some weight even minor ....some rent, responsibility, etc. That is not the norm. They stay home not to save money for ecomic reasons but to continue their role as children well past the expiration date of said title.

It is mindset.

A crutch and excuse for what?

 

[P-Squared]

Here it is, this is not 1980 anymore. I don't condone kids living with their parents till they are 40 either, but have you seen the price of an apartment? In Phoenix anything without crackheads hanging around out front is 1,400 to 1,800 bucks a month. Even if your making 20 bucks an hour after taxes you can barely afford rent let alone car payment and and food, clothes, utilities....ect. This is the world we live in. It has become so expensive to live in the United States it's ridiculous. It's going to get worse folks. I see families have to start living together again with everyone working.

In the 50's a man could support his family by himself, in the 70's and eighties it took a married couples income to live decent, middle class. Today it's a struggle to live on anything less than a $100k a year and to live good it takes 150 to 200k for a couple to live good and save money for retirement. The price of things in this country are outrageous and it's gonna get worse. A nice diesel truck it close to 100k, outrageous? My parent bought a huge house in Portland in 1976 for 50k. Today that same house is probable a million dollars.

I work with a bunch of young kids that are 18 to 21 years old and they hate living with their parents. They get paid 16 bucks an hour and no way they can move out on there own, apartments in Phoenix are way over priced, most of them don't have the credit established that is required to rent anything. The new normal for moving out of Mom and Dad's it probable 26. By then hopefully they have a degree and a decent job and have saved for a year or two. Keep in mind college isn't for everyone. What about the kids that don't get or cant afford a higher education? The road is rough in todays world.

How about going into one of the trades? Great money, you have a skill that people need and will pay for in the worst of times, and you have no collage debt to service. Just a thought. Not everybody needs a degree in gender studies.

 

[BCP]

Why would anyone intelligent and freedom minded have any notion of wanting to enlist in today's woke military indoctrination camps?

Trump's vision of America was worth fighting for. For the first time in something like 30 years wages started to go up faster than inflation. Bring the jobs back. Secure the border. Cheap domestically produced fuel. End all of our bullshit foreign military commitments. Stop giving money away to the woke UN.

Biden's America is expensive gas, troops overseas, money to the UN for "Green Energy" projects, Drag Queen Storytime, faggy Disney movies for kids, Rainbow flags, it's an "America" worth fighting AGAINST, not FOR.

 

[BCP]

How about going into one of the trades? Great money, you have a skill that people need and will pay for in the worst of times, and you have no collage debt to service. Just a thought. Not everybody needs a degree in gender studies.

Trades are one of the few places where regular people can still make close to a fair wage which is why the politicians have been killing them with guest worker programs/open borders etc.

 

[Hecouldgoalltheway]

Trades are one of the few places where regular people can still make close to a fair wage which is why the politicians have been killing them with guest worker programs/open borders etc.

Close to a fair wage?

I never made less than 6 figures in a year as a millwright. The trades flexed correctly blow degrees out of the water. I made more as a foreman, more as a superintendent, more as a project manager and more as vp of a construction company. I wouldn't advise any capable young man to go to college and waste 4 years or more on some bullshit degree. The world is what you make it. Ambition and dedication are what these kids lack.

 

[jrassy]

when my wife graduated high school, her parents gave her luggage as a graduation present. Perfect Gift.
I hit the door at 14 1/2 yrs old, dropped out of school and worked. My dad said you don’t go to school you don’t live under my roof.
I joined the Marine Corps 2 months after turning 17. Never occurred to me to live back with my parents. Two things I have never been with out, wheels and money.
I have 6 grown children, the struggle seems real for them, I have helped each of them as needed with the understanding that living under my roof has responsibilities I require of them. Two of my sons failed and found themselves under my roof again. I did not make it easy for them to stay, we laughed about it at Thanksgiving this year.
I’m all for helping those that help themselves but if I see lethargy or procrastinating I squash it quick. Adults( my kids)have to have the ability to have difficult conversations without emotions.

 

[alamo5000]

I got kicked out of the house by the ex- and was living with friends when my Dad died. If I hadn't moved home, Mom would have had to sell the house years ago.

Is it optimal? No
It is helping? Yes

M

I came home for a short visit (I was working overseas at the time). I wasn't home a week yet when they discovered a golf ball size tumor in my dad's brain. And then other stuff happened that I don't want to talk about on the internet.

This whole thread deserves a giant F_U to the f*ckwits that think it's funny. I have zero respect for anyone that doesn't respect the situation that many people get faced with. It's not 1979 anymore.

Not to mention that MY generation were in a different situation. I recall that straight out of college it took me over 9 months to find any kind of job. I was chosen out of over 1,400 applicants. That was one of the two situations just within the past 20ish years with economic conditions like that.

I count myself as a fortunate one for sure. Was it optimal? Is it all perfect? No and no.