most range without hand loading???

[PlinkIt]

Doing my first full rem 700 and was wondering what is the best range I should expect to get without hand loading?..

assuming I get all the items correct in truing the rifle, without major harmonic issues in bedding, decent trigger, decent glass, etc etc..

where will the factory ammo place the limit without buying match grade or something elaborate.. I mean what can I do with ammo from walmart basically..

 

[PDXGS]

Hand loading is done for accuracy, not range.
That said, accurate long-range shots depend on mastering the fundamentals (all about you) and a decently tuned gun and ammo.
If you can get match grade ammo at Wally World that is of the bullet weight, shape and velocity to match your barrel twist rate then you should be able to reach out to 1200 yds....assuming you're shooting a .308.
What you're going to give up with non-match grade ammo is mostly consistency and bullet performance past 600 yds. - that's a good range to start practicing at- most .308 loads are still supersonic and reasonably accurate....longer ranges than that can start to challenge you, your glass, your gun and the ammo.
If you shoot at a large target - say 4ft in diameter- at 600 yds you'll notice really inaccurate, dispersed groups. Changing to a match load will significantly improve grouping.

 

[PlinkIt]

Hand loading is done for accuracy, not range.
That said, accurate long-range shots depend on mastering the fundamentals (all about you) and a decently tuned gun and ammo.
If you can get match grade ammo at Wally World that is of the bullet weight, shape and velocity to match your barrel twist rate then you should be able to reach out to 1200 yds....assuming you're shooting a .308.
What you're going to give up with non-match grade ammo is mostly consistency and bullet performance past 600 yds. - that's a good range to start practicing at- most .308 loads are still supersonic and reasonably accurate....longer ranges than that can start to challenge you, your glass, your gun and the ammo.
If you shoot at a large target - say 4ft in diameter- at 600 yds you'll notice really inaccurate, dispersed groups. Changing to a match load will significantly improve grouping.

ok to correct my question then it should be how much range should I expect factory loads to give me consistency at?..
I am currently shooting 400yr shots at 8" circles in no more than mild wind..
also not a 308, I am shooting .270 win 130grain..
majority of grouping I can keep under 6" at 400yards with no major wind..
does this level at this distance give any more insight to the ballistics out to the 1000 yard mark?..

 

[shovelstrokeed]

Derrick,
What load?
Is the muzzle velocity of the load printed on the box anywhere, or can you find it from the Mfg. web site?
Bullet gets important too.

Armed with a claimed muzzle velocity and a specific bullet, you can use a free ballistic app such as JBM Ballistics to calculate all this for you.

You will need to determine how consistent the velocity of your round is, extreme spread and standard deviation are the most common measurements.

Now to your gun. How does your barrel differ from the factory test barrel used by the mfg to determine MV?

Even a 22 LR can reach 1000 yards, what the bullet is doing by the time it gets there is kinda important though. You are going to have to glean more information and provide it here before anyone can give you an approximation as to what you can expect for performance out of your combo.

 

[PlinkIt]

I ask this question more as a curiosity I guess the .270 I have been shooting is having a makeover if you will.. action truing, new shilen match barrel, and the stock it gets when I get it back is still up in the air.. my shooting has never been taken beyond 400 yards though and I am wondering what I should expect in comparison to my history of shooting.. the round I was using with the rifle before this was a hornady gmx copy and past of the velocity and energy below..

Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
3190/2937 2976/2553 2769/2213 2573/1911 2385/1642 2202/1404

my question is not so much on expected ballistics of the round through the rifle but how consistent should I expect to be at the longer distance without hand loading.. I used said info before as my only personally comparable data to shooting at any good range..

I achieved this amount of accuracy after comparing factory loads till I found one that the harmonics of the rifle seemed to like that was manufactured by what I believe to be a reputable company.. I understand the chamber pressures can cause harmonic differences that equate to accuracy difference at longer range but my question is meant more to ask where is a reasonable goal to look for before I try to start hand loading?.. should I think I can get consistency at 1000 yards with factory ammo as long as I am using a good quality rifle set up and doing my part behind it? or is what I was doing at the 400 yard mark most likely the most I should expect out of a rifle without hand loading?

I have the shooter app for doing the calculation for me on drop and wind drift.. but this thing can't tell me how much of a group is reasonable at what distance..

am I asking it to where it makes more sense now?(I have the question in my head but I need a better way to communicate it I guess)

 

[1time]

most range without hand loading???

What bullet is the ammo you are shooting using and what is the muzzle velocity. Your accuracy is decent but the bullet you are using may or may not have the ballistic coefficient and velocity to still be supersonic at that distance.

Reasonable depends on your expectation. I would say holding a 15" group at 1000 will be challenging given your groups at 400 if the round is still supersonic. Is that reasonable to you?


Edit because I saw you are re-barreling your rifle. You will have to see how it shoots with the new barrel. If your gun really likes the factory ammo and the velocity spread is low it could do quite well. That is not usually the norm for Walmart .270 ammo though. Most factory ammo for the .270 uses hunting bullets designed for opening up on game, not high ballistic coefficient and 1000 yard accuracy.

 

[Sterling Shooter]

Hand loading is done for accuracy, not range.
That said, accurate long-range shots depend on mastering the fundamentals (all about you) and a decently tuned gun and ammo.
If you can get match grade ammo at Wally World that is of the bullet weight, shape and velocity to match your barrel twist rate then you should be able to reach out to 1200 yds....assuming you're shooting a .308.
What you're going to give up with non-match grade ammo is mostly consistency and bullet performance past 600 yds. - that's a good range to start practicing at- most .308 loads are still supersonic and reasonably accurate....longer ranges than that can start to challenge you, your glass, your gun and the ammo.
If you shoot at a large target - say 4ft in diameter- at 600 yds you'll notice really inaccurate, dispersed groups. Changing to a match load will significantly improve grouping.

Here's another way to say it: Hand loading may be necessary for accuracy at distance. This is because unless the SD and ES is in single digits, holding elevation is not possible at LR. Not holding elevation means any misunderstanding for a correct wind counter will effectively make the decimal target smaller thus assuring an unsatisfactory result. Distance may also require hand loading to drive a particular bullet to a particular velocity to counter the effect of gravity and drag enough for the bullet to reach the target nose-on, absent factory loadings for such a bullet/velocity. Bottom line, unless there's a factory match round out there that's better than what I can roll myself, I am hand loading to produce accuracy at distance. The two concepts are not independent nor can they be considered separately.

 

[Graham]

most range without hand loading???

Doing my first full rem 700 and was wondering what is the best range I should expect to get without hand loading?..

assuming I get all the items correct in truing the rifle, without major harmonic issues in bedding, decent trigger, decent glass, etc etc..

where will the factory ammo place the limit without buying match grade or something elaborate.. I mean what can I do with ammo from walmart basically..

Any correct answer will first depend on caliber, then on the ammo availability at Walmart, then on the size of your target.

.... And with a .270 with hunting ammo at under four hundred yards, on your skill as a shooter.?

 

[PlinkIt]

I would say holding a 15" group at 1000 will be challenging given your groups at 400 if the round is still supersonic. Is that reasonable to you?.

as of right now if I hit something 15" at a thousand id be smiling for a month.. I enjoy shooting but I have really just begun to start pushing my limits and learning how to shoot at a little distance.. until a few years ago I had shot just a little over 300 yards at the most .. then I pushed myself back a little at a time just playing really.. so all these things are really just me learning as I go and trying to see where I should be setting the bar for myself in learning at each point

Here's another way to say it.... The two concepts are not independent nor can they be considered separately.

thanks! I think I am getting the idea on that now I keep trying to see things in a linear manner.. also my problem with learning to shoot longer distance with a 22LR I expect linear changes at distance and I cant get it from a 22 just like you are saying here I am currently coming to terms with that on a "smaller scale" if you will

Any correct answer will first depend on caliber, then on the ammo availability at Walmart, then on the size of your target.

.... And with a .270 with hunting ammo at under four hundred yards, on your skill as a shooter.

thanks for the help guys sometimes I cant see the forest for studying the bark on the trees.. so I appreciate it!