Gunsmithing Muzzle threading help

[colchester]

Re: Muzzle threading help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith Johns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Trust me Im not glamorizing it. Im not even saying the license should be hard to get. I think there should be some more responsibility though.
Like I mentioned, even the shit done on the gunsmithing TV shows is appalling. And they're teaching it.</div></div>

What about the guy that changes his own brakes on his car should he have a licence too? Where does this kind of shit stop?
How about reloading ammunition, would you advocate licences for this as well?

 

[Keith Johns]

Re: Muzzle threading help

It's done in plenty of other industries that produce products that could be potentially hazardous to their users. Its just a piece of paper that says "this guy has experience".
It is pretty hard to blow a rifle up, but a case rupture or something simple could be bad too.

If the license existed people would get it, pay the $60 a year because thats pocket change to a company, and never talk about it. Some might even be glad it exists.


73 fastback, ya I kinda think an atuo mechanic should do that.
haha is that bad?

 

[wtopace]

Re: Muzzle threading help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith Johns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I said License actually. And I absolutely think you should need a license to build(and sell) firearms. <span style="font-weight: bold">Something to prove you know what to do. What a safe gun even is.</span></div></div>

As an 07 FFL holder, I can say that the licensing process is really straight forward and very simple for any legit business (eg: you aren't trying to run an AR15 web-only store out of your parents basement).

Having an FFL does not add any kind of safety or skill-level credibility in my book.

 

[300sniper]

Re: Muzzle threading help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith Johns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I said License actually. And <span style="text-decoration: underline">I absolutely think you should need a license to build(and sell) firearms</span>. Something to prove you know what to do. What a safe gun even is. If you want the license to be quick, cheap, and easy to get then fine. But I think it should exist.</div></div>

i'm sorry keith but there's a lot wrong with you line of thinking. i'll cut out all the other things because they've pretty much been covered.

this one though, at what point in your ffl application did they ask if you knew what you were doing, if you knew how to make a safe firearm or what qualifications you had?

the government is not the answer to all of life's problems. in my opinion, these days it seems to be the cause of many of them though. the more regulations there are, the fewer freedoms we have.

 

[RADcustom]

Re: Muzzle threading help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith Johns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's done in plenty of other industries that produce products that could be potentially hazardous to their users. Its just a piece of paper that says "this guy has experience".
It is pretty hard to blow a rifle up, but a case rupture or something simple could be bad too.

If the license existed people would get it, pay the $60 a year because thats pocket change to a company, and never talk about it. Some might even be glad it exists.


73 fastback, ya I kinda think an atuo mechanic should do that.
haha is that bad? </div></div>

I don't understand your thinking.

 

[Keith Johns]

Re: Muzzle threading help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wtopace</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith Johns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I said License actually. And I absolutely think you should need a license to build(and sell) firearms. <span style="font-weight: bold">Something to prove you know what to do. What a safe gun even is.</span></div></div>

As an 07 FFL holder, I can say that the licensing process is really straight forward and very simple for any legit business (eg: you aren't trying to run an AR15 web-only store out of your parents basement).

Having an FFL does not add any kind of safety or skill-level credibility in my book. </div></div>

You're right. But an FFL isn't what Im talking about. You could call it a "gunsmithing license" if you want. It'd go on the wall with your FFL. One saying you can build em, one saying you can transfer em.

RAD, no one does.

I think you guys think I like the government a little more than reality. I'd just like one license you could get to show experience in our field.

lol they could even make a smithing test you could take if it'd kill ya to get any type of real training. on the job, school, apprentice, military, anything. If none of that is worth your time then a test at least.

 

[300sniper]

Re: Muzzle threading help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith Johns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's done in plenty of other industries that produce products that could be potentially hazardous to their users. Its just a piece of paper that says "this guy has experience".
It is pretty hard to blow a rifle up, but a case rupture or something simple could be bad too.

If the license existed people would get it, pay the $60 a year because thats pocket change to a company, and never talk about it. Some might even be glad it exists.


73 fastback, ya I kinda think an atuo mechanic should do that.
haha is that bad? </div></div>

i'm not trying to bait you here, more trying to show you the logic of what you are saying. should people be licensed to possess these potentially hazardous devices?


and again, the ffl has nothing to do with "a piece of paper that says "this guy has experience"". it does have everything to do with government control though.

 

[300sniper]

Re: Muzzle threading help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith Johns</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You're right. But an FFL isn't what Im talking about. You could call it a "gunsmithing license" if you want. It'd go on the wall with your FFL. One saying you can build em, one saying you can transfer em.

RAD, no one does.

I think you guys think I like the government a little more than reality. I'd just like one license you could get to show experience in our field.

lol they could even make a smithing test you could take if it'd kill ya to get any type of real training. on the job, school, apprentice, military, anything. If none of that is worth your time then a test at least. </div></div>

showing your qualifications/experience is not and should not be the the responsibility of the government.



one more thing, how many non-formalally trained "garage" builders have been building safe, match winning rifles since long before you came along with your schooling?

 

[Keith Johns]

Re: Muzzle threading help

300 I know what you mean about match winning builders with no prior training. I don't want to offend anyone. I know its touchy. There are plenty of people better than me that trained themselves. I know that.
But I don't care how long a guy studies building demolition at his home, he should still need to get certified before bidding on a demo job.


No and I hate calling them dangerous. Its cliche to say, but, people are dangerous. I think that goes for not just the use of, but also the work on guns.

I wont try to convince ya any more.

 

[RADcustom]

Re: Muzzle threading help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith Johns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">300 I know what you mean about match winning builders with no prior training. I don't want to offend anyone. I know its touchy. There are plenty of people better than me that trained themselves. I know that.
But I don't care how long a guy studies building demolition at his home, he should still need to get certified before bidding on a demo job.


No and I hate calling them dangerous. Its cliche to say, but, people are dangerous. I think that goes for not just the use of, but also the work on guns.

I wont try to convince ya any more. </div></div>

So, what would the test be on? Would there be a license for each model of weapon to be worked on?

 

[300sniper]

Re: Muzzle threading help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith Johns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No and I hate calling them dangerous. Its cliche to say, but, people are dangerous. I think that goes for not just the use of, but also the work on guns.</div></div>

so should couples be required to be licensed before having children?

seriously, the government has control over the type of car we drive to the consistency of our turds. you really don't think enough is enough? you really want more regulation?

 

[RTK]

Re: Muzzle threading help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

so should couples be required to be licensed before having children?

</div></div>

As much as I hate government regulations and bureaucracy, with the business I am involved with, this would be one of the few things I might back, if you don't pass the test you have no children.

 

[2156SMK]

Re: Muzzle threading help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">showing your qualifications/experience is not and should not be the the responsibility of the government.</div></div>

Happy customers do that just fine...

 

[2156SMK]

Re: Muzzle threading help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so should couples be required to be licensed before having children?</div></div>

Some should.
The problem lies in fairly sorting out who to license and who to deny...

 

[jsthntn247]

Re: Muzzle threading help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2156SMK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">showing your qualifications/experience is not and should not be the the responsibility of the government.</div></div>

Happy customers do that just fine... </div></div>

This is exactly right. If you choose to "do it yourself" or take your firearm to some jack leg weekend hack because he was $10 cheaper then it's your own damn fault when you get your face blown off. It's called survival of the fitest and you wern't fit to survive. It seems that we need the government to tell us how to do everything these days. We have turned ourselves into a country of leftist liberal pussies that can't even wipe their own ass without the government's permission or them giving you the "free" money to do it with. Grow a set of nuts, make decisions for your own self, get your fucking hands out of my pockets and pay for your own way. Pisses me off.

 

[RTK]

Re: Muzzle threading help

Lucky you don't live in kalifornia, you would be even more pissed than I am most of the time.
It is time for many too become more self reliant instead of dependent.

 

[sawman556]

Re: Muzzle threading help

I've been a high-end furniture maker most of my life. I don't think a license would do anything but make my life harder. You can either cut wood or not. If you are a fucking hacker you won't last long in the business. Your skill level will build your reputation. IMO its up to the consumer to make sure the gunsmith, mechanic, carpenter or whatever has the skills to do the job. A really shitty auto mechanic will be out of work in short order. It's a pretty simple concept. The last thing we need is more fucking regulations and big government sticking their noses into everything. Why do you need a license to be a bartender? You can either pour a shot or not. In the end, requiring a license, is just another way for government to grab more of our money. I mean does requiring drivers licenses really make you feel safer?

 

[300sniper]

Re: Muzzle threading help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RTK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so should couples be required to be licensed before having children?

</div></div>

As much as I hate government regulations and bureaucracy, with the business I am involved with, this would be one of the few things I might back, if you don't pass the test you have no children. </div></div>


i agree that some people <span style="font-style: italic">shouldn't</span> have children but in no way would i try to force my beliefs on someone else and the government sure as hell shouldn't either.


edit: i have more to add but i am going to limit it because we are getting awfully close to a political discussion now and i'm pretty sure that's against the site rules.

back to muzzle threading.

 

[slothlacrosse]

Re: Muzzle threading help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dylan Griffith</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gotcha, I was afraid that may be the case. Anyone know someone near delaware that can do this?
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Get in touch with the guys at Gun Dealer Online in Lancaster, PA. They've cut, crowned, and threaded atleast a half dozen guns for me.

 

[dgrifith21]

Re: Muzzle threading help

Will do man, thanks for that. I'm happy to hear there is a smith within reasonable range of here.

 

[dgrifith21]

Re: Muzzle threading help

Gun Dealer online is the winner. Seemed like nice guys over the phone and their turnaround time is only about 3 days right now, the price was great, $55. I'm driving it up there today, I always prefer to deal face to face, rather than shipping things off somewhere so this is exactly what I was looking for.

 

[GrantA]

That's cheap, hope it works out for you. I can't resist busting your chops a tiny bit though- you took the time (seemingly) to route the sling neatly around a baking rack/dish in the pic instead of just moving said dish from the view, am I the only one that noticed that?
All in good fun man, post some pics when the work is done, with apple pie this time ;-)

 

[Killswitch Engage]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith Johns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's done in plenty of other industries that produce products that could be potentially hazardous to their users. Its just a piece of paper that says "this guy has experience".
It is pretty hard to blow a rifle up, but a case rupture or something simple could be bad too.

If the license existed people would get it, pay the $60 a year because thats pocket change to a company, and never talk about it. Some might even be glad it exists.


73 fastback, ya I kinda think an atuo mechanic should do that.
haha is that bad? </div></div>

I don't understand your thinking.

That's because it has not one lick of common fucking sense in it.....