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So I picked up a 40 just before Christmas, I have since added the apex comp kit. It took a gritty heavy trigger and turned it into a smooth 2.5 lb crisp trigger. I also installed the apex r.a.m. The reset is much more noticable, it's a solid click where as before it was a "soggy" click. I also added the pachmayer grip glove and an arradondo ext mag, it will hold 19 in the clip and 1 in the chamber, it came with an extended spring as well. The tlr-2s is worth every penny, even though I didn't like paying an extra 150 bucks to get the laser. This is my home defense gun, it's nice to be able to grab it quick and not having to fumble for a flashlight. I already posted this up in field photo. forum, figured I'd throw it in here as well.
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I pulled my M&P 40c out Saturday and shot it a while. The trigger on mine has never bothered me, and I've always shot it accurately 'enough' (all 11 into a 3" area at 7 yds drawing and firing quickly). I was shooting at 4 different targets while moving and for some reason the trigger was starting to bother me. It just feels like it takes forever to squeeze and reset while trying to engage multiple targets or something.

Anyway, I wanted to know how much difference to you the Apex made, and what the r.a.m. is you spoke of. I haven't looked at trigger kits before, because like I said mine has never bothered me before this past weekend. Thanks for the info!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spazz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I pulled my M&P 40c out Saturday and shot it a while. The trigger on mine has never bothered me, and I've always shot it accurately 'enough' (all 11 into a 3" area at 7 yds drawing and firing quickly). I was shooting at 4 different targets while moving and for some reason the trigger was starting to bother me. It just feels like it takes forever to squeeze and reset while trying to engage multiple targets or something.

Anyway, I wanted to know how much difference to you the Apex made, and what the r.a.m. is you spoke of. I haven't looked at trigger kits before, because like I said mine has never bothered me before this past weekend. Thanks for the info! </div></div>

The apex basically makes it a diff gun. If you pay close attention, dry fire it as carefully as you can, no matter what you will get muzzle jump, the apex changes where the shot breaks and it makes it much more crisp, there are tons of youtube videos. The ram or Reset Assist Mechanism makes the trigger reset muck more pronounced - you can feel it and hear it, it is very positive, where stock sounds like cardboard, the ram also holds the tirgger bar in a groove taking some of the slop out of the trigger, before if I had the top off and pulled the trigger - the trigger bar would almost or would actually rub the side of the gun-(sideways motion instead of just straight back ) now it hardly moves. The apex makes the trigger take up so smooth you can hardly feel it. They also make a new kit that replaces the actual trigger it is called the forward setting sear. It takes all the travel out - gives you a 1911 style trigger pull - no play.

check them out. www.apextactical.com/
 
#8
Re: My M&P 40 Finally the way I want it

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spazz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I pulled my M&P 40c out Saturday and shot it a while. The trigger on mine has never bothered me, and I've always shot it accurately 'enough' ( <span style="font-weight: bold"> 11 into a 3" area at 7 yds drawing and firing quickly).</span> I was shooting at 4 different targets while moving and for some reason the trigger was starting to bother me. It just feels like it takes forever to squeeze and reset while trying to engage multiple targets or something.

Anyway, I wanted to know how much difference to you the Apex made, and what the r.a.m. is you spoke of. I haven't looked at trigger kits before, because like I said mine has never bothered me before this past weekend. Thanks for the info! </div></div>

I'd love to see a video of that! That's awesome, can you show us?
 
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Re: My M&P 40 Finally the way I want it

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3PER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spazz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I pulled my M&P 40c out Saturday and shot it a while. The trigger on mine has never bothered me, and I've always shot it accurately 'enough' ( <span style="font-weight: bold"> 11 into a 3" area at 7 yds drawing and firing quickly).</span> I was shooting at 4 different targets while moving and for some reason the trigger was starting to bother me. It just feels like it takes forever to squeeze and reset while trying to engage multiple targets or something.

Anyway, I wanted to know how much difference to you the Apex made, and what the r.a.m. is you spoke of. I haven't looked at trigger kits before, because like I said mine has never bothered me before this past weekend. Thanks for the info! </div></div>

I'd love to see a video of that! That's awesome, can you show us? </div></div>
I shoot competition with mine and get 1" groups at 15 yards shooting quickly. I can over work these triggers without a spring kit and have a great 2.5 lbs trigger and the shortest reset possible.
I am a big M&P fan after shooting glocks for a long time it was a nice upgrade
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Damn, you fuckers are awesome. 11 shot 1" groups from 15 yards from the draw shooting quickly. I don't know what quickly means to you but I'm talking empty the mag now quickly. Show me, less talk more action. This is a prove it type forum.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3PER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damn, you fuckers are awesome. 11 shot 1" groups from 15 yards from the draw shooting quickly. I don't know what quickly means to you but I'm talking empty the mag now quickly. Show me, less talk more action. This is a prove it type forum. </div></div>
Let me find some of my match videos and see if I can get one that shows the targets at all. Most of the time I don't get the target pics due to the guys taping so fast so the next guy can go through. How about a copy of my USPSA results at the last match? Hell maybe I will make a video.
And its not 11 rounds its shooting on the move going through fifty to sixty rounds sometimes less sometimes more.
 
#12
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So what you are saying is you are getting 50 or 60 round 1" inch groups on the move from 15 yards? You oughtta be on TV.
Instead of going thru all that trouble just show me LIVE, <span style="font-weight: bold">One </span> 11 round 1 inch group from the draw, standing still from 15 yards in say 7 seconds. I'm not saying you can't do it, I'm sure you can since you are such a competitor. You get one try, group will be measured center to center. If you think you can do it, we will get together and decide the stakes of the bet. Deal or no deal?
 
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Re: My M&P 40 Finally the way I want it

Arrowslinger, thanks for your input. I'm going to check out the RAM and kit when I get some extra cash. Would you recommend installing the RAM even with a factory trigger? I could do that immediately and hopefully get a more crisp reset. Thanks again for the advice!

3PER, how about you show me you know how to shut the hell up and take your antagonistic attitude somewhere else? Last time I checked, I was asking for advice on a trigger. You can feel free to PM me (again) if you really feel the need to poke at me any further. Stop bringing your agenda and shitty attitude into threads just because you have the anonymity of the internet to hide behind.

My definition of drawing and shooting quickly is drawing my gun from my holster, and firing each shot as soon as I pick the target (bullseye) up in my sights. It will usually take me between 5 and 8 seconds to empty the gun; less than 11 seconds from the time I find the grip with my hand. If I'm dumping the mag as fast as I can pull the trigger, I will usually hit the 8.5x11" target with at least 8 of my shots. Next time I think of it, I may get a video camera set up and shoot so you can get your rocks off on this amazing feat of accuracy.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: arrowslinger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sure, I'd do the ram install by itself, it is def. an improvement. I think they are like 22 bucks or so. </div></div>
The ram does work great. If you want some points on getting a good trigger send me a PM and I can give you some pointers on improving what is there. The APEX spring kits are hard to beat and they are easy to install. Like I said send a PM if you have any questions about the M&Ps.
 
#17
Re: My M&P 40 Finally the way I want it

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spazz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Arrowslinger, thanks for your input. I'm going to check out the RAM and kit when I get some extra cash. Would you recommend installing the RAM even with a factory trigger? I could do that immediately and hopefully get a more crisp reset. Thanks again for the advice!

3PER, how about you show me you know how to shut the hell up and take your antagonistic attitude somewhere else? Last time I checked, I was asking for advice on a trigger. You can feel free to PM me (again) if you really feel the need to poke at me any further. Stop bringing your agenda and shitty attitude into threads just because you have the anonymity of the internet to hide behind.

My definition of drawing and shooting quickly is drawing my gun from my holster, and firing each shot as soon as I pick the target (bullseye) up in my sights. It will usually take me between 5 and 8 seconds to empty the gun; less than 11 seconds from the time I find the grip with my hand. If I'm dumping the mag as fast as I can pull the trigger, I will usually hit the 8.5x11" target with at least 8 of my shots. Next time I think of it, I may get a video camera set up and shoot so you can get your rocks off on this amazing feat of accuracy. </div></div>

A far cry from your initial claim, isn't it? Instead of a 3" inch group, now you are gonna hit your 8x11 target 8 times out of 11? I guess my BS call stands.

Oh, and is this some kind of threat..."Stop bringing your agenda and shitty attitude into threads just because you have the anonymity of the internet to hide" ???
 
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Re: My M&P 40 Finally the way I want it

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3PER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spazz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Arrowslinger, thanks for your input. I'm going to check out the RAM and kit when I get some extra cash. Would you recommend installing the RAM even with a factory trigger? I could do that immediately and hopefully get a more crisp reset. Thanks again for the advice!

3PER, how about you show me you know how to shut the hell up and take your antagonistic attitude somewhere else? Last time I checked, I was asking for advice on a trigger. You can feel free to PM me (again) if you really feel the need to poke at me any further. Stop bringing your agenda and shitty attitude into threads just because you have the anonymity of the internet to hide behind.

My definition of drawing and shooting quickly is drawing my gun from my holster, and firing each shot as soon as I pick the target (bullseye) up in my sights. It will usually take me between 5 and 8 seconds to empty the gun; less than 11 seconds from the time I find the grip with my hand. If I'm dumping the mag as fast as I can pull the trigger, I will usually hit the 8.5x11" target with at least 8 of my shots. Next time I think of it, I may get a video camera set up and shoot so you can get your rocks off on this amazing feat of accuracy. </div></div>

A far cry from your initial claim, isn't it? Instead of a 3" inch group, now you are gonna hit your 8x11 target 8 times out of 11? I guess my BS call stands.

Oh, and is this some kind of threat..."Stop bringing your agenda and shitty attitude into threads just because you have the anonymity of the internet to hide" ???
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Don't worry guys there always has to be some asshole on the forums who thinks he can get what he wants by treating everyone else like shit. I owe this shitbag nothing and not a single person on here owes him shit. Whats even worse is instead of explaining how good he shoots he starts by calling bs on everyone else. Most people I talk to have respect and ask questions on how to get tighter groups which starts with the shooter until the gun is no longer out shooting the shooter then you upgrade to keep competitive. I can't shoot anything tighter than 2" with most factory barrels. My gun has a KKM barrel which brought the groups down. I have worked the M&Ps over time and time again so if anyone has anymore questions on these guns don't hesitate to send a PM.
 
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Re: My M&P 40 Finally the way I want it

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3PER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spazz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Arrowslinger, thanks for your input. I'm going to check out the RAM and kit when I get some extra cash. Would you recommend installing the RAM even with a factory trigger? I could do that immediately and hopefully get a more crisp reset. Thanks again for the advice!

3PER, how about you show me you know how to shut the hell up and take your antagonistic attitude somewhere else? Last time I checked, I was asking for advice on a trigger. You can feel free to PM me (again) if you really feel the need to poke at me any further. Stop bringing your agenda and shitty attitude into threads just because you have the anonymity of the internet to hide behind.

My definition of drawing and shooting quickly is drawing my gun from my holster, and firing each shot as soon as I pick the target (bullseye) up in my sights. It will usually take me between 5 and 8 seconds to empty the gun; less than 11 seconds from the time I find the grip with my hand. If I'm dumping the mag as fast as I can pull the trigger, I will usually hit the 8.5x11" target with at least 8 of my shots. Next time I think of it, I may get a video camera set up and shoot so you can get your rocks off on this amazing feat of accuracy. </div></div>

A far cry from your initial claim, isn't it? Instead of a 3" inch group, now you are gonna hit your 8x11 target 8 times out of 11? I guess my BS call stands.

Oh, and is this some kind of threat..."Stop bringing your agenda and shitty attitude into threads just because you have the anonymity of the internet to hide" ???
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Don't worry guys there always has to be some asshole on the forums who thinks he can get what he wants by treating everyone else like shit. I owe this shitbag nothing and not a single person on here owes him shit. Whats even worse is instead of explaining how good he shoots he starts by calling bs on everyone else. Most people I talk to have respect and ask questions on how to get tighter groups which starts with the shooter until the gun is no longer out shooting the shooter then you upgrade to keep competitive. I can't shoot anything tighter than 2" with most factory barrels. My gun has a KKM barrel which brought the groups down. I have worked the M&Ps over time and time again so if anyone has anymore questions on these guns don't hesitate to send a PM. </div></div>

I don't see you making any efforts to back up your claims either, bigmouth. You are the one getting 1" groups at 15 yards on the move from the draw, Mr. Competitor. What you owe when you make a stupid boast is the ability to back it up. I didn't make this claim, YOU DID! So I'm a "shitbag" for calling BS? LMFAO.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3PER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3PER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spazz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Arrowslinger, thanks for your input. I'm going to check out the RAM and kit when I get some extra cash. Would you recommend installing the RAM even with a factory trigger? I could do that immediately and hopefully get a more crisp reset. Thanks again for the advice!

3PER, how about you show me you know how to shut the hell up and take your antagonistic attitude somewhere else? Last time I checked, I was asking for advice on a trigger. You can feel free to PM me (again) if you really feel the need to poke at me any further. Stop bringing your agenda and shitty attitude into threads just because you have the anonymity of the internet to hide behind.

My definition of drawing and shooting quickly is drawing my gun from my holster, and firing each shot as soon as I pick the target (bullseye) up in my sights. It will usually take me between 5 and 8 seconds to empty the gun; less than 11 seconds from the time I find the grip with my hand. If I'm dumping the mag as fast as I can pull the trigger, I will usually hit the 8.5x11" target with at least 8 of my shots. Next time I think of it, I may get a video camera set up and shoot so you can get your rocks off on this amazing feat of accuracy. </div></div>

A far cry from your initial claim, isn't it? Instead of a 3" inch group, now you are gonna hit your 8x11 target 8 times out of 11? I guess my BS call stands.

Oh, and is this some kind of threat..."Stop bringing your agenda and shitty attitude into threads just because you have the anonymity of the internet to hide" ???
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Don't worry guys there always has to be some asshole on the forums who thinks he can get what he wants by treating everyone else like shit. I owe this shitbag nothing and not a single person on here owes him shit. Whats even worse is instead of explaining how good he shoots he starts by calling bs on everyone else. Most people I talk to have respect and ask questions on how to get tighter groups which starts with the shooter until the gun is no longer out shooting the shooter then you upgrade to keep competitive. I can't shoot anything tighter than 2" with most factory barrels. My gun has a KKM barrel which brought the groups down. I have worked the M&Ps over time and time again so if anyone has anymore questions on these guns don't hesitate to send a PM. </div></div>

I don't see you making any efforts to back up your claims either, bigmouth. You are the one getting 1" groups at 15 yards on the move from the draw, Mr. Competitor. What you owe when you make a stupid boast is the ability to back it up. I didn't make this claim, YOU DID! So I'm a "shitbag" for calling BS? LMFAO. </div></div>
Its the way you called for it. And if you knew shit about competitive shooting then you would have known what I was talking about with the 50-60 rounds comment. Since you would rather insult and treat everyone like shit I don't think you are deserving of anything you ask. If anyone else wants to see me shoot I urge them to come to the next match in Spokane next month. Plus you took some of the comments and twisted what people said to make yourself think you proved a point but the only point you proved is that you are the shitbag. You will not get another post from my time after this, shit is not worth typing to
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Don't worry guys there always has to be some asshole on the forums who thinks he can get what he wants by treating everyone else like shit. I owe this shitbag nothing and not a single person on here owes him shit. Whats even worse is instead of explaining how good he shoots he starts by calling bs on everyone else. Most people I talk to have respect and ask questions on how to get tighter groups which starts with the shooter until the gun is no longer out shooting the shooter then you upgrade to keep competitive. I can't shoot anything tighter than 2" with most factory barrels. My gun has a KKM barrel which brought the groups down. I have worked the M&Ps over time and time again so if anyone has anymore questions on these guns don't hesitate to send a PM. </div></div>

I don't see you making any efforts to back up your claims either, bigmouth. You are the one getting 1" groups at 15 yards on the move from the draw, Mr. Competitor. What you owe when you make a stupid boast is the ability to back it up. I didn't make this claim, YOU DID! So I'm a "shitbag" for calling BS? LMFAO. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Its the way you called for it. And if you knew shit about competitive shooting then you would have known what I was talking about with the 50-60 rounds comment. Since you would rather insult and treat everyone like shit I don't think you are deserving of anything you ask. If anyone else wants to see me shoot I urge them to come to the next match in Spokane next month. Plus you took some of the comments and twisted what people said to make yourself think you proved a point but the only point you proved is that you are the shitbag. You will not get another post from my time after this, shit is not worth typing to
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I don't claim to know a lot about competitive shooting. Don't do it, don't care about it and don't train for it. I do train for accuracy tho, so I know a little something about what it takes to be able to have the ability to make the claims you and that Spazz did. If you think you can come on the interwebs and make the kind of BS claims you two did and have nobody call you on it, you are wrong. And then when someone does and you realize your ass is showing, you resort to calling me vulgar names and casting aspersions my way. See, the thing is, intelligent people see you for what you are and I don't care either way. If you really want to have some fun and can prove that crap you posted, we can rent a venue in Spokane and make some serious cash. No further reply from you is expected, just less outrageous claims you cannot possibly back up. Carry on.
 
#22
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Arrowslinger and Strangedays, thanks a lot for the tips. I would like to make the trigger pull and reset a little more crisp and definite, so I'm going to check out those parts.

3PER: actually, I did explain what I meant to you and then further clarified that by the standards you were assuming I was holding myself to (rather than just asking me what I meant in the first place) I don't meet the criteria you were judging my claims by. Then, you go on and call me a liar because "it's a far cry from what I initially said." Read what I said instead of what you want to see. I'm being honest, you're trying to stir as much shit as you can by posting inflammatory garbage based on your own assumptions.

You can try and justify it all you want to by twisting words and assuming you have half a clue what someone's talking about from reading a few lines on an internet forum, or you can come off whatever you're on and gain a little credence by asking a question if you're not clear on something. Nobody learns anything by thinking they know everything to begin with.

And for the record, nothing in my statement was a threat. I was letting you know that your agendas and thoughts are worthless because on the internet anyone can be anything they want to be. In other words, stop bringing your agendas and shitty attitude into threads because nobody gives a second thought to the non-reality based opinions of an inflammatory internet nobody. Consider it advice because while I can't speak for anyone else, any credibility you may have had with me was completely set on fire and thrown out the window when you aggressively ripped apart statements without bothering to figure out what the context was. People like you are the reason the newer American generations don't give a shit what anyone else has to say. They're met with instant criticism and an assumption that no matter what they do, they're never going to be as good as the ones who came before them. Rather than being curious and encouraging, you're inflammatory and derogatory. You make me sick.

I'm sure you'll have a field day reading whatever you want to in what I've said. Feel free to go ahead and tear out individual sentences and then use them against me to prove whatever twisted point you have. Don't bother to read context, ask for no clarification, and assume you know exactly how I mean everything. That's all I have to say, consider me finished with you as well.
 
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