Need Help - What is a CA legal M1A?

[Mo_Zam_Beek]

No standard capacity mags - got it.

What I need to know is if the rifle has a flash hider and a Bayo lug - is the rifle CA legal if only the FH is removed? Rifle does not have a pistol grip, is standard length, and is not full auto.

TIA

 

[HH4]

Re: Need Help - What is a CA legal M1A?

In order to be CA legal it cannot have a flash hider or bayonet lug but it can have a muzzle brake.

 

[Mo_Zam_Beek]

Re: Need Help - What is a CA legal M1A?

So if I sell it to someone in CA and send it down with nothing on the threaded end of the tube - it is legal is it sits with a bayo lug and in order to put a muzzle break on - they need to grind off the bayo lug? Or is the a bare muzzle with a bayo lug all by itself illegal?

TIA

 

[Dirty D]

Re: Need Help - What is a CA legal M1A?

Start here http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/awguide.pdf then go to www.calguns.net to ask any questions, not only is calguns the best source of info they are the ones paying most of the legal bills to challenge the BS gun laws.

 

[HH4]

Re: Need Help - What is a CA legal M1A?

Threaded barrel is also a no go on a semi auto centerfire rifle with removable mags. You could however install some type of magazine locking device with a fixed 10rd magazine and leave it up to the recipient to make it compliant for use with detachable mags. You could also permanently attach a muzzle brake and remove the bayonet lug and you would be good to go.

 

[Mo_Zam_Beek]

Re: Need Help - What is a CA legal M1A?

F*ck it - easier just not to sell those in CA. or similar states.


Thank you

 

[NoExpert]

Re: Need Help - What is a CA legal M1A?

Whoa, gun laws gone wild...

Assuming this is a standard M1A in a non pistol grip stock and it has a flash suppressor with bayonet lug, all you'd need to do is remove the flash suppressor and ship it directly to the buyer. Any magazines with a capacity greater than 10 rounds can be disassembled and shipped directly to the purchaser as parts kits. This is all legal.

There is NO ban on bayonet lugs or threaded muzzles. The buyer would just need to buy a muzzle brake and install it, there are several options for them to choose from, a few which have bayonet lugs as well.

It's really not that hard, people just make up wild stuff since they don't know or understand the laws.

Here's the law:

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.

The only hit is the flash suppressor, remove it, ship it to the buyer, ship the rifle to the FFL and you're done.

I'd recommend cutting a small "X" in a tennis ball and slipping it over the muzzle to protect it.

There is one more provision... if you're a business and shipping into CA you need to get some transportation number stuff from the CA DOJ, it's pretty easy to do. If you're a private individual, this is not necessary.

 

[HH4]

Re: Need Help - What is a CA legal M1A?

Didn't mean to make anything up just relaying what my FFL told me when I was purchasing an M1A. I apologize for the confusion.

 

[NoExpert]

Re: Need Help - What is a CA legal M1A?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vc8541</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't mean to make anything up just relaying what my FFL told me when I was purchasing an M1A. I apologize for the confusion. </div></div>

Some dealers/FFL's are HORRIBLE for spreading FUD regarding CA's laws since they really just don't know the laws. No fault of your own.

Some dealers mix all the laws into one wildcard law...

This pertains to pistols:

(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

This pertains to shotguns:

(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

 

[mescalito]

Re: Need Help - What is a CA legal M1A?

I was the one offering to buy at full asking price, but I got screwed by misinformation being passed on to OP.
Thanks NoExpert for posting the truth with penal codes to back it up.

 

[NoExpert]

Re: Need Help - What is a CA legal M1A?

Quite welcome Mescalito, if it's not sold, hopefully the OP will reconsider. Best of luck.

 

[mescalito]

Re: Need Help - What is a CA legal M1A?

Thank you NoExpert. I won't hold my breath though, because of the simple reason that the item is listed on an "M1A" site as well, but the question was only asked on a site(here) where the majority of readers probably don't have an M1A or M14.
Color me confused.

 

[superjc]

Re: Need Help - What is a CA legal M1A?

Per above, threaded barrels pertain to PISTOLS. All the gun shops here have M1A's with the muzzle break, no bayo log. My Walther P22 pistol has a hastily stamped "Ca." and a fakey-looking faux muzzle break affixed to where the threads would be in the other 49 states.

 

[rchman]

Re: Need Help - What is a CA legal M1A?

The best thing to do is look at the flowchart:

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

We're behind enemy lines here in CA, so your support by shipping us rifles (compliant of course) helps us maintain our rights, albeit limited. Those who refuse to ship here are letting the lawmakers win. That's what they want. They also want every other state to follow suit, as many do with all of CA's other "progressive" initiatives.