Range Report Need shooting advice ! Please !

[Savage Mark]

Ok ! Im really trying here .

Savage 10 action
Bedded HS stock
28” Criterion bull
Muzzle brake
Bald Eagle front rest , protector rear bag
168 FGMM
300 yards
Very very light hold
Shooting on bench
13 shots

Main group is 1.6”
Add damn flier group goes to 2.6

 

[Precision Underground]

Do you know which shot it was?

 

[Savage Mark]

I do not !

 

[htowncoog]

Have you tried other ammo or is the 168 FGMM the one that groups best for you?

 

[stello1001]

Sub moa accuracy, it's really not too bad...

 

[Savage Mark]

Have you tried other ammo or is the 168 FGMM the one that groups best for you?

I know I’m wrong , but $17.99 a box for FGMM AND FREE SHIPPING , so no I really haven’t tried much else . No time to reload .

 

[Savage Mark]

Sub moa accuracy, it's really not too bad...

No , not too bad , but I want to win my first match . Lol . I know I won’t but doesn’t hurt to get good FOR the match .

 

[htowncoog]

I know I’m wrong , but $17.99 a box for FGMM AND FREE SHIPPING , so no I really haven’t tried much else . No time to reload .

I get it, same boat here no time to reload either.

 

[Savage Mark]

Sub moa accuracy, it's really not too bad...

What’s your opinion on the VERY VERY light hold ? An excellent match shooter I know pins it hard against front stop. Im not as consistent at all pinning it .

 

[Savage Mark]

And any opinions on flier ? It felt just like all the other shots . I’ve seen gross runout on some FGMM rounds and I didn’t check this time . Could a lot of runout cause this ? Im thinking no .

 

[Diver160651]

For your benchrest you’re better off in another forum.

What works for field guns isn’t what your setup is about.

 

[VegasHKShooter]

Agree with above post.

I’ll try to help a little. 13 shots is VERY hard to maintain perfection at 300 yds. There are a boatload of tiny things it “coulda been”. ANYONE here that tries to help is just spitballin’. The gist is: you had a flyer. It happens.
My suggestion, and I’m not trying to be flippant, shoot a smaller # of rounds in your group. People can argue till the end of the inter web about 3 shot, 5 shot, 10 shot groups. My take is this: 3 you can get lucky. I’ve shot ALOT of 3 shot one hole groups. 5 is really testing you and the gun, too many shots for luck. 10 shots is TOO LONG to be that perfect. Many things come to play here. Muscle fatigue, eye strain, barrel heat, anything.
I like to shoot multiple 5 shot groups. Say 5 5 shot groups and come up with an average. There are plenty of guys that’ll say 5 shots don’t give you a large enough statistical average. My response is “ it does for me.” If you shoot 5-6 5 shot groups, you can damn well tell what your gun is capable of. For ME, holding everything perfect for 10 shots at 300 isn’t feasible. 5 shots is. I get less flyers and a much clearer idea of what’s me and what’s gun when I go multiple 5 shot groups.

If I shot multiple 5 shot 1.5” groups at 300, I’d be very happy with that! That sub .5 MOA.

 

[XLR308]

Some may disagree but I have never had much luck shooting a 308win with a light hold or free recoil off of a bipod or front rest with rear bag.
If you are set on running with the front rest and rear bag I would definitely pin it and I bet you will see a change for the better.

 

[Savage Mark]

Agree with above post.

I’ll try to help a little. 13 shots is VERY hard to maintain perfection at 300 yds. There are a boatload of tiny things it “coulda been”. ANYONE here that tries to help is just spitballin’. The gist is: you had a flyer. It happens.
My suggestion, and I’m not trying to be flippant, shoot a smaller # of rounds in your group. People can argue till the end of the inter web about 3 shot, 5 shot, 10 shot groups. My take is this: 3 you can get lucky. I’ve shot ALOT of 3 shot one hole groups. 5 is really testing you and the gun, too many shots for luck. 10 shots is TOO LONG to be that perfect. Many things come to play here. Muscle fatigue, eye strain, barrel heat, anything.
I like to shoot multiple 5 shot groups. Say 5 5 shot groups and come up with an average. There are plenty of guys that’ll say 5 shots don’t give you a large enough statistical average. My response is “ it does for me.” If you shoot 5-6 5 shot groups, you can damn well tell what your gun is capable of. For ME, holding everything perfect for 10 shots at 300 isn’t feasible. 5 shots is. I get less flyers and a much clearer idea of what’s me and what’s gun when I go multiple 5 shot groups.

If I shot multiple 5 shot 1.5” groups at 300, I’d be very happy with that! That sub .5 MOA.

The 300 yard F class match I want to shoot in requires 2 (20 shot rounds). So I need to be consistent for 20 shots . A lot of these guys can do it . Don’t know why I can’t . I’ve been practicing a lot . My goal before I shoot a match is 20 in the 10 ring , which is 1 MOA

 

[XLR308]

If you want to compete especially in a score/bench based rifle sport I would strongly suggest reloading if you have any interest in maximizing the capability of the rifle.

Good match ammo can certainly cut it in field comps but I seriously doubt any you would compete against in an F-class match will be running box match ammo I know i wouldnt.

 

[Savage Mark]

If you want to compete especially in a score/bench based rifle sport I would strongly suggest reloading if you have any interest in maximizing the capability of the rifle.

Good match ammo can certainly cut it in field comps but I seriously doubt any you would compete against in an F-class match will be running box match ammo I know i wouldnt.

Really can’t reload . Work wayyyyy too many hours so I’m stuck for now with FGMM . Some people have said it’s hard to beat FGMM accuracy .

 

[XLR308]

Really can’t reload . Work wayyyyy too many hours so I’m stuck for now with FGMM . Some people have said it’s hard to beat FGMM accuracy .

L.p.

It is somewhat of a standard for accuracy but I am but one of many im sure that found my rifle didn't particularly care for it, not that it shot bad it just wasnt what i thought it could be.

I reloaded the same bullet but pushed it 80 to 100fps faster and it hammered it the same rifle.

Have you tried any Prime ammo or any other premium stuff ?

 

[Savage Mark]

L.p.

It is somewhat of a standard for accuracy but I am but one of many im sure that found my rifle didn't particularly care for it, not that it shot bad it just wasnt what i thought it could be.

I reloaded the same bullet but pushed it 80 to 100fps faster and it hammered it the same rifle.

Have you tried any Prime ammo or any other premium stuff ?

Im able to get FGMM for 18$ a box with free shipping . Everything else is minimum 25$ a box . Maybe over winter I’ll see if I can do some reloading .

 

[Savage Mark]

Im able to get FGMM for 18$ a box with free shipping . Everything else is minimum 25$ a box . Maybe over winter I’ll see if I can do some reloading .

I put 12 in an 1.6 at 300 yards and figured the one flier was me . I was thinking that should be consistent enough for F class .
The other day with regular bipod on bench I loaded crap out of rifle and just about put 5 in one hole at 100 yards . Wish I knew if it was me or ammo that’s off . Im thinking me !

 

[XLR308]

Im able to get FGMM for 18$ a box with free shipping . Everything else is minimum 25$ a box . Maybe over winter I’ll see if I can do some reloading .

Fair enough, with that being said the best course of action I could think of if you aren't allready is buy atleast a case of it and sort it by BTO and concentricity.

And I would definitely try loading the rifle, that is about a 30lb front rest lean into a little bit and see what that does.

 

[Savage Mark]

Fair enough, with that being said the best course of action I could think of if you aren't allready is buy atleast a case of it and sort it by BTO and concentricity.

And I would definitely try loading the rifle, that is about a 30lb front rest lean into a little bit and see what that does.

I can check Concentricity . What is BTO ?

 

[Savage Mark]

I can check Concentricity . What is BTO ?

Base to Ogive ! Thank You

 

[Savage Mark]

And if I shoot better with a brake doesn’t that mean I’m not driving the rifle as well through the longer pulse ?

 

[308pirate]

The 300 yard F class match I want to shoot in requires 2 (20 shot rounds). So I need to be consistent for 20 shots . A lot of these guys can do it . Don’t know why I can’t . I’ve been practicing a lot . My goal before I shoot a match is 20 in the 10 ring , which is 1 MOA

1. You're not going to win your first match. Just put that pressure out of your mind right now.

2. F class is not benchrest. You just don't plop down and lay down a group. Your ability to manage the wind will be much more important when your target disappears after every shot for 5 - 15 seconds (depending on who is pulling)

3. You've been practicing a lot. Good deal. The guys who are going to beat you not only have practiced more than you, they likely also have something you seem to lack: experience in competition.

I LOL at the guys who practice like crazy then expect to win (or even place highly) on their first ever match in any shooting sport. It just doesn't happen, for several reasons. But the most important reason is that the mental game needed to be at the top cannot be bought and cannot be learned in practice.

 

[gconnoyer]

I'm assuming buy the 168 FGMM you're shooting 308.

Checkout Eagle Eye Ammo and Prime Ammo. Its not as cheap as the federal but it shot GREAT out of my savage

 

[Ledzep]

Agree with above post.

I’ll try to help a little. 13 shots is VERY hard to maintain perfection at 300 yds. There are a boatload of tiny things it “coulda been”. ANYONE here that tries to help is just spitballin’. The gist is: you had a flyer. It happens.
My suggestion, and I’m not trying to be flippant, shoot a smaller # of rounds in your group. People can argue till the end of the inter web about 3 shot, 5 shot, 10 shot groups. My take is this: 3 you can get lucky. I’ve shot ALOT of 3 shot one hole groups. 5 is really testing you and the gun, too many shots for luck. 10 shots is TOO LONG to be that perfect. Many things come to play here. Muscle fatigue, eye strain, barrel heat, anything.
I like to shoot multiple 5 shot groups. Say 5 5 shot groups and come up with an average. There are plenty of guys that’ll say 5 shots don’t give you a large enough statistical average. My response is “ it does for me.” If you shoot 5-6 5 shot groups, you can damn well tell what your gun is capable of. For ME, holding everything perfect for 10 shots at 300 isn’t feasible. 5 shots is. I get less flyers and a much clearer idea of what’s me and what’s gun when I go multiple 5 shot groups.

If I shot multiple 5 shot 1.5” groups at 300, I’d be very happy with that! That sub .5 MOA.

I hold the opposite view. 3 and 5 round strings are good at fooling you into believing you're better than you are. 10-shot strings... I've shot enough of them to have been fooled by them, also. It's by far better than a 3-5, but occasionally 10 shots will lie to you, too.

A 20-shot string will tell you what is really going on. If your rifle is 3/4 MOA for a 20 shot string then your rifle is 3/4 MOA. If it's 1/4 MOA for 5, 1/2 MOA for 5, 1/3 MOA for 5, then 3/4 MOA for 5 you're liable to say "ahh well I must've fucked that one up", when really you printed the same 3/4 MOA 20-shot group and it just happened that it only showed up in 1 of the 5-shotters. Fliers are BS unless you cause them, and you should know when you do that.

Same story for ES/SD numbers. Shoot enough and your 2-5 fps SD will be 8-15... I mean you can lie to yourself all you want to boost confidence or whatever. If it works it works, the numbers don't mean shit.. but no use in recording them if you're not going to believe them or take such small sample sizes that they're statistically insignificant. You're better off knowing what the real extreme spread and % density thereof of your system is than trying to convince yourself it's .5 MOA or .4 MOA or .3MOA without this flier or that flier, or it would have been .2 MOA if I.......

My PRS rig is a .7 MOA rifle. Brux barrel, ARC M5, Manner stock, bedded, hand loads as good as I can make them. Will it throw some .2-.4" 3-5 shot groups, sure. But if I stack 20 rounds in, it's .6-.7" every time. Nothing wrong with that. probably the same real performance that the guy claiming his .3 MOA rifle is... Just doesn't sound as cool I guess.

 

[gconnoyer]

I completely agree with you there. I hate seeing guys post up 3-5 round strings and showing how good their SDs are.

You shoot an 8-12rd string in 90 seconds in a match....shouldnt you care what your ES is in that situation?

 

[whiskeysierra762]

Try some 175gr match.
And a smaller aiming point (aim small, miss small).