New Applied Ballistics® Quantum™ APP! - & It's Free!

[JMGlasgow]

I just got a response back from Vortex about connectivity to the (now discontinued) Fury 5000 AB binoculars. There are no plans to update the firmware to connect to AB Quantum. This is disappointing. I spoke to them when they bought GB concerning continued support for the AB products and was assured they would continue with updates. It sounds like they discontinued the product, and dropped all support completely. I'm far too invested in AB to switch to GeoBallistics. I have the kestrel AB, Fury AB, as well as the mobile app.

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

When will we be able to bluetooth the VectorX?

When Vectronix sends us an LOA

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

As a side note, we implemented a ton of reticles just now. Check the other thread if you need to follow along for that: https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...-to-see-added-to-ab-mobile-app.7201293/page-3

Please remember... I cannot add a reticle without the copyright owners permission.

 

[GenericBadGuy]

As a side note, we implemented a ton of reticles just now. Check the other thread if you need to follow along for that: https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...-to-see-added-to-ab-mobile-app.7201293/page-3

Please remember... I cannot add a reticle without the copyright owners permission.

You all have done an amazing job on the new app, I think a lot of us are really thinking about what would make it even more useful for us.

 

[ForgeValley]

Hey @DocUSMCRetired,

Any chance you guys can consider adding manual typed input or +/- buttons to the wind direction control in a future release? The current control is cool but a little fidgety for my fat fingers.

Thx!

 

[R_A_W]

I believe there is an issue with internal engine of the Kestrel.

I know of 3 other people with this conflict. I checked 4dof & it’s off too.

I spoke to them when they bought GB concerning continued support for the AB products and was assured they would continue with updates.

20 months ago Vortex told me the Fury was likely their last AB product but:

The Fury-HD App and supported products will continue in our line for years to come, and support will continue forever, as part of our VIP Warranty!

I take that to mean the Fury’s will always work with the Vortex app and you won’t have a bricked unit. I do not expect a company to guarantee forward compatibility of their legacy products with 3rd party software… that’s too much a moving target

 

[RubiconJoey]

I just got a response back from Vortex about connectivity to the (now discontinued) Fury 5000 AB binoculars. There are no plans to update the firmware to connect to AB Quantum. This is disappointing. I spoke to them when they bought GB concerning continued support for the AB products and was assured they would continue with updates. It sounds like they discontinued the product, and dropped all support completely. I'm far too invested in AB to switch to GeoBallistics. I have the kestrel AB, Fury AB, as well as the mobile app.

That is disappointing, I just picked up a pair of Furys. I've been running GB for some time now but was looking to make the switch to AB since GB doesn't connect to any range finding bino.

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

Hey @DocUSMCRetired,

Any chance you guys can consider adding manual typed input or +/- buttons to the wind direction control in a future release? The current control is cool but a little fidgety for my fat fingers.

Thx!

You can already do this. Just tap in the box.

 

[ForgeValley]

You can already do this. Just tap in the box.

With this control? Doesn't work for me at Android build 388.

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

With this control? Doesn't work for me at Android build 388.

View attachment 8565489

See if deleting the app, restarting the phone, and installing again works. Its wind direction.

 

[alex2x2]

I know of 3 other people with this conflict. I checked 4dof & it’s off too.

This is wrong. We need to contact Kestrel so that they can work with AB to resolve this issue and compare the AB app and the weather station.

 

[chutinlead]

Vortex isn't going to be implemented at this time.

Are they just not interested in working with you since it has it's own app? Would it count for the elite unlock if it did get added?

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

Are they just not interested in working with you since it has it's own app? Would it count for the elite unlock if it did get added?

I can't really comment on this. Outside of yes, it would unlock elite.

 

[waveslayer]

Hey @docUSany way to clean this up? Give you the option of increments on a reticle like the range card? This is a bit hard to read, cant zoom in enough to even read it. I prefer hold overs, this is messy

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

Hey @docUSany way to clean this up? Give you the option of increments on a reticle like the range card? This is a bit hard to read, cant zoom in enough to even read it. I prefer hold overs, this is messy

We are looking into this. I cannot re-create this, are you on version 3.0.9 or newer?

 

[chutinlead]

I can't really comment on this. Outside of yes, it would unlock elite.

Well I'll get on everyone I know to bombard their customer service into making it happen then. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[waveslayer]

I'm on 3.0.10 @DocUSMCRetired

 

[schroed62]

Where is altitude value displayed?

And this?

 

[_Windrider_]

Where is altitude value displayed?

And this?
View attachment 8566972

Curious, why do you need altitude?

 

[schroed62]

Just information on how it calculating station pressure. Had issues before with automatic does not match location, because I have no idea where it pulling data from one it easy to compare my Garmin with AB elevation.

 

[_Windrider_]

Just information on how it calculating station pressure.

But station pressure doesn’t correlate to altitude directly. Station pressure is where it thinks it is not where it actually is.

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

Using Zero Height and Zero Offset, and when to use it:

 

[LongCut-]

I found an error in the Zero Height in my version of the app. I just deleted and reinstalled and it is still happening. I tried to set my zero height and, after saving, my solution did not change. When I went back into the profile the Zero Height was still at the default value of 0.00. I have tried this multiple times with multiple profiles and am unable to save any Zero Height i put in. I submitted a ticket to support FYI. Thanks!

 

[alex2x2]

Zero Height

what is Zero Height ? could you please post a screenshot ?

 

[_Windrider_]

what is Zero Height ? could you please post a screenshot ?

Think of it as the difference between POA and POI

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

I found an error in the Zero Height in my version of the app. I just deleted and reinstalled and it is still happening. I tried to set my zero height and, after saving, my solution did not change. When I went back into the profile the Zero Height was still at the default value of 0.00. I have tried this multiple times with multiple profiles and am unable to save any Zero Height i put in. I submitted a ticket to support FYI. Thanks!

We are tracking this and looking to fix it next week. We don't want to push any friday updates.... just incase.

 

[alex2x2]

My South African long-range shooter friend wrote a letter to the AB team.

Dear AB team

I have been engaged in long-range shooting for many years. Despite the variety of ballistic calculators available, I have always used your product, Applied Ballistics, in its earlier version, which fully met my needs.

I am disappointed with the release of the new version. I represent the collective opinion of a large community of long-range shooters from South Africa

We hold your company in high regard and plan to continue using your software in the future. To enhance your product and better meet the needs of shooters, I would like to offer the following suggestions:

1. Reintroduce the previous version of the program* without changes, and give users the choice between the old and new versions. The previous version had no issues for me, while the new version has numerous shortcomings and lacks improvements.

2. Restore the ability to set the target movement angle*, a critical parameter present in the old version.

3. Allow users to set the gunpowder temperature separately from air temperature.* This was possible in the old version and is crucial. For instance, in weather at -30°C, the air is very cold and dense, but the shooter may be firing from a vehicle where the ammunition is at +20°C.

4. Bring back the ability to input weapon and ammunition parameters using a mix of metric and imperial units.* The old version allowed this. For example, I prefer defining barrel twist in inches, scope height in millimeters, bullet caliber in inches, and bullet length in millimeters. The new version forces users to choose one system.

5. Each time the program is closed, the selected distance resets, and upon reopening, the default distance of 91 meters (100 yards) appears. This requires re-entering the desired data every time. It would be more practical to save the previously selected distance, as was implemented in the earlier version.

6. Improve the main screen layout.
* Currently, atmospheric parameters, which do not change rapidly, take up prime space. For quick access, the main screen should feature:
- Distance
- Wind speed
- Wind direction
- Target angle (inclination )

I am confident that addressing these points will make your software even better and satisfy even the most demanding shooters.

Best regards,

 

[LongCut-]

We are tracking this and looking to fix it next week. We don't want to push any friday updates.... just incase.

Thank you!

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

My South African long-range shooter friend wrote a letter to the AB team.

Dear AB team

I have been engaged in long-range shooting for many years. Despite the variety of ballistic calculators available, I have always used your product, Applied Ballistics, in its earlier version, which fully met my needs.

I am disappointed with the release of the new version. I represent the collective opinion of a large community of long-range shooters from South Africa

We hold your company in high regard and plan to continue using your software in the future. To enhance your product and better meet the needs of shooters, I would like to offer the following suggestions:

1. Reintroduce the previous version of the program* without changes, and give users the choice between the old and new versions. The previous version had no issues for me, while the new version has numerous shortcomings and lacks improvements.

2. Restore the ability to set the target movement angle*, a critical parameter present in the old version.

3. Allow users to set the gunpowder temperature separately from air temperature.* This was possible in the old version and is crucial. For instance, in weather at -30°C, the air is very cold and dense, but the shooter may be firing from a vehicle where the ammunition is at +20°C.

4. Bring back the ability to input weapon and ammunition parameters using a mix of metric and imperial units.* The old version allowed this. For example, I prefer defining barrel twist in inches, scope height in millimeters, bullet caliber in inches, and bullet length in millimeters. The new version forces users to choose one system.

5. Each time the program is closed, the selected distance resets, and upon reopening, the default distance of 91 meters (100 yards) appears. This requires re-entering the desired data every time. It would be more practical to save the previously selected distance, as was implemented in the earlier version.

6. Improve the main screen layout.
* Currently, atmospheric parameters, which do not change rapidly, take up prime space. For quick access, the main screen should feature:
- Distance
- Wind speed
- Wind direction
- Target angle (inclination )

I am confident that addressing these points will make your software even better and satisfy even the most demanding shooters.

Best regards,

1) This is not possible. That app was going to remove from the store because it lacked the ability to handle current and future security and stability updates. It was poorly optimized for todays devices and was going to be removed either way.

2) Target movement angle is already in the app, under the Target Controller.

3) This is also already in the app. You can already do this with the MV-Temp Table.

4) We are looking into how to coordinate this currently. This is on our list for development review.

5) This is also on our development review table currently, we are tracking this.

We appreciate the feedback, and are always happy to hear ideas. We have a major update 3.1.0 coming Monday which includes quality of life improvements.

 

[parshal]

Do you know if the app will import from the Kestrel AB once the ability to connect to them is there? I have to recreate all my profiles for the Leica Geovid Pro so hoping I won't have to do that for the Kestrel. If importing works, I'd just upload all profiles with the Kestrel app and then import with the AB app.

 

[parshal]

Do the target and range cards only show up if you have reticles? I have no reticles set up on my profiles and I never see more than one target. I also never see 'target' or 'range", only app and reticle tabs. I never see the hamburger either just the target in the center lower menu. I assume I'm missing something obvious but I don't see what in the video or manual. I really want to use the target card.

 

[pyrotechnic]

Is the inabilty to read pressure from phone sensors supposed to have been addressed? I've been updating whenever a new version drops and doing the uninstall/reinstall and it still won't pull pressure from my phone.

 

[taliv]

3. Allow users to set the gunpowder temperature separately from air temperature.* This was possible in the old version and is crucial. For instance, in weather at -30°C, the air is very cold and dense, but the shooter may be firing from a vehicle where the ammunition is at +20°C.

3) This is also already in the app. You can already do this with the MV-Temp Table.

How do you address his concern with mv temp table. I thought mv temp table just adjusted how much the mv changes based on ammo temp. But you still have to tell the calc the value of ammo temp when the gun goes bang separately from the exterior air temp

 

[alex2x2]

1) This is not possible. That app was going to remove from the store because it lacked the ability to handle current and future security and stability updates. It was poorly optimized for todays devices and was going to be removed either way.

Understood. I'll pass them over.

3) This is also already in the app. You can already do this with the MV-Temp Table.

With this version, you can only set the dependence of the MV on the powder temperature. But if the air temperature and the powder temperature differ, as in the example of shooting from the car, then this data cannot be entered quickly. You need to reconfigure the profile so that it shows the solution correctly.

4) We are looking into how to coordinate this currently. This is on our list for development review.

5) This is also on our development review table currently, we are tracking this.

We appreciate the feedback, and are always happy to hear ideas. We have a major update 3.1.0 coming Monday which includes quality of life improvements.

Thank you.

 

[alex2x2]

Target movement angle is already in the app, under the Target Controller.

I can't find where to set the angle.

 

[alex2x2]

How do you address his concern with mv temp table. I thought mv temp table just adjusted how much the mv changes based on ammo temp. But you still have to tell the calc the value of ammo temp when the gun goes bang separately from the exterior air temp

This is the feature I ask to add to the new version of AB Quantum (it was in the old version). The ability to separately set the ammo temp separately from the air temp. The ammo temp affects the MV and the air temp affects the bullet drop because the air density is different.

These parameters together affect the Elevation solution.

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

Is the inabilty to read pressure from phone sensors supposed to have been addressed? I've been updating whenever a new version drops and doing the uninstall/reinstall and it still won't pull pressure from my phone.

Update 3.1.0.

How do you address his concern with mv temp table. I thought mv temp table just adjusted how much the mv changes based on ammo temp. But you still have to tell the calc the value of ammo temp when the gun goes bang separately from the exterior air temp

Technically the first version of the app worked this way as well. So it does the same thing. But now you have 6 inputs to build a bell curve instead of 1 to build a linear change.

Understood. I'll pass them over.



With this version, you can only set the dependence of the MV on the powder temperature. But if the air temperature and the powder temperature differ, as in the example of shooting from the car, then this data cannot be entered quickly. You need to reconfigure the profile so that it shows the solution correctly.



Thank you.

See my answer above.

I can't find where to set the angle.

Blue arrows left and right.

This is the feature I ask to add to the new version of AB Quantum (it was in the old version). The ability to separately set the ammo temp separately from the air temp. The ammo temp affects the MV and the air temp affects the bullet drop because the air density is different.

These parameters together affect the Elevation solution.

See my answer above. Use the MV Temp Table for this.

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

Do the target and range cards only show up if you have reticles? I have no reticles set up on my profiles and I never see more than one target. I also never see 'target' or 'range", only app and reticle tabs. I never see the hamburger either just the target in the center lower menu. I assume I'm missing something obvious but I don't see what in the video or manual. I really want to use the target card.

Make sure your app is up to date. At least version 3.0.9 or newer. Soon will be 3.1.0+ which introduces some new features.

If that doesn't work, it is possible your app corrupted during the update process and needs to be deleted/reinstalled. Always do a phone restart after deleting an app before a reinstall. The update was big, and these things do happen.

 

[alex2x2]

Blue arrows left and right.

this is only the direction right or left in relation to the shooter. I am talking about the movement of the target, for example, from 4 o'clock in the direction of 10 see attached screenshot

See my answer above. Use the MV Temp Table for this.

I saw your answer. But unfortunately, you can't understand what I mean. I'll try to explain again.

For example. I'm driving in the winter. It's -20 С outside and +20 Сin the car. I see a coyote at 1000 m. I get out of the car, put the rifle on the hood of my pickup and fire. This is a very common situation in North Dakota, Montana.

For example, for a .308 Win at the range 1000 meters, with a powder temp of +20°C, the difference between air temp of +20°C and -20°C is 1.3 MRAD, due to the difference in density between warm and cold air. This is over 1.3 meter difference! Ypu missed the target.

The 1st screenshot shows the solution when the ammo temp is +20 (in the car ) and the air is -20. These are real conditions from my example above.

The 2nd screenshot shows when AB shows the solution when the air and ammo temp are the same.

Therefore, it is crucial to have the ability quickly to set the powder temp separately from the air temperature!

 

[taliv]

Technically the first version of the app worked this way as well. So it does the same thing. But now you have 6 inputs to build a bell curve instead of 1 to build a linear change.

That’s unfortunate. Do they have plans to fix it?

I always assumed that shooter ballistics app accounted for both because you put both DA and temp in, along with temp in the ammo when it was zerod.

So the DA handles the air temp and the “temperature” is the temp of the ammo which changes mv.

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

That’s unfortunate. Do they have plans to fix it?

I always assumed that shooter ballistics app accounted for both because you put both DA and temp in, along with temp in the ammo when it was zerod.

So the DA handles the air temp and the “temperature” is the temp of the ammo which changes mv.

This will likely stay the same. Powder Temp is assumed to be ambient air temp because well... we are not feeding the necessary sensors drilled and placed into the barrel for average shooters to accurately track this. You would need a second temp input that constantly monitor and change shot to shot to be truly accurate as the barrel chamber temp changes constantly depending on what you are doing. The powder will heat up if it sits in the barrel between strings or shots. Or maybe it doesn't because you just loaded fresh from your box. Also not accounting for how quickly the powder is increasing in temp or decreasing as it sits in that chamber. Which of course would be different for different powders, how much you filled the case, how the powder settled as you moved around, cartridge size... and more... Creating a complicated system.

The old app was assuming the MV you recorded was at the Powder Temp you input. The new app can do this as well with the MV Temp Table but instead you get 6 inputs (you should have at least 3 inputs 25deg F apart to use the table properly). So it allows for more of the realistic bell curve (most powder has a sweet spot, and condition where it starts to ramp up or down in potential energy) for more accurate tracking of MV.

It will likely remain the way it is for now. On the MV Temp Table you would input the temp at the time you chronographed (or MV Calcd) and the muzzle velocity that goes with it.

 

[alex2x2]

It will likely remain the way it is for now. On the MV Temp Table you would input the temp at the time you chronographed (or MV Calcd) and the muzzle velocity that goes with it.

Can you add the ability to turn on/off as it was in the old version of AB?

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

Can you add the ability to turn on/off as it was in the old version of AB?

That ability is already in the app. Their is a little on/off switch in the profile.

 

[Mulepackhunter]

Im sure I will get used to it but I wish I wasnt forced into this update. I really like the way it was. I had it all set and it was clean and simple, now its all cluttered and have to relearn where things are. Is there an old way toggle?

 

[alex2x2]

That ability is already in the app. Their is a little on/off switch in the profile.

could you please show where this switch is ? I couldn't find it.

Adjusted MV at -20 C is 802 m/s. This works when the ammo and air temps are the same, but doesn't work if they are different.

You have to either create another profile or completely delete the MV temp table.

 

[WaltHer]

Small question relative to some of the others but how do you toggle to the "night mode" or black screen background from the "day mode" white screen background for Android on Ver. 3.0.11? Thanks, sir!