A new bipod hit the market this week. This bipod weighs 17 ounces, is made from aluminum, and is strong enough to hold a 170 pound man. It has adjustment for cant and elevation. I can send a pic to someone if they can post it. For clarification, I AM NOT SELLING THESE BIPODS. I have used the prototype for three months now and offered some feedback. Clint at Duplin Rifles is selling them. His e-mail is clint at duplinrifles dot com. I have a few pictures if someone is interested in seeing what one looks like.
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Re: new bipod
Looks awesome. Very similar to a Pheonix, only half the weight. I would like to see pics attached to a rifle to see how it cants and how it attaches.
Thanks
Looks awesome. Very similar to a Pheonix, only half the weight. I would like to see pics attached to a rifle to see how it cants and how it attaches.
Thanks
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uhh... looks like copy of centershot.. exept with cool subtle emulation of the rebel flag!
uhh... looks like copy of centershot.. exept with cool subtle emulation of the rebel flag!
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Yes, similar to CenterShot and Remple, but there are differences internally. From what I understand from the makers of the CenterShot, if you just make an aluminum version, it would be heavier than theirs. This one is 2 ounces lighter. Right there rules out an exact copy.
I'll try to get a few more pics this weekend. It will be on display at Oak Ridge this weekend.
Yes, similar to CenterShot and Remple, but there are differences internally. From what I understand from the makers of the CenterShot, if you just make an aluminum version, it would be heavier than theirs. This one is 2 ounces lighter. Right there rules out an exact copy.
I'll try to get a few more pics this weekend. It will be on display at Oak Ridge this weekend.
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usftr - I'd be very interested in hearing your detailed evaluation of the new bipod. Particularly, as compared/contrasted to what you have previously run on your rifle(s), if you're in a position where you can share that info. Thanks.
usftr - I'd be very interested in hearing your detailed evaluation of the new bipod. Particularly, as compared/contrasted to what you have previously run on your rifle(s), if you're in a position where you can share that info. Thanks.
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Good deal John. This one is 17.01 ounce to be a little more precise.
gstaylorg - I love both bipods. My CenterShot weighs 19 ounces, so this one helps me on weight. Both are fully adjustable. There is a slight cost difference, but that difference is small. The CenterShot has more flex than the Duplin Rifles model but the Duplin Rifles model has more flex the the Sinclair model. Overall, both are excellent bipods and both can help you cut weight. The Duplin Rifles model is built on tight tolerances and is very well made.
Good deal John. This one is 17.01 ounce to be a little more precise.
gstaylorg - I love both bipods. My CenterShot weighs 19 ounces, so this one helps me on weight. Both are fully adjustable. There is a slight cost difference, but that difference is small. The CenterShot has more flex than the Duplin Rifles model but the Duplin Rifles model has more flex the the Sinclair model. Overall, both are excellent bipods and both can help you cut weight. The Duplin Rifles model is built on tight tolerances and is very well made.
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I also have a prototype that I have been using for a couple of months now and I also have found it to be excellent.
I must say that compared to the new sinclair adjustable model I dont see any difference in flex between the two. It feels as stable and solid as the new sinclair, where the Duplin models shines is in the elevation adj. The new sinclair cost me first place at a big national match due to alot of backlash in the elevation adj, and the new Duplin model is very stable and secure and the adj for elevation is very solid and positive. When you get it adjusted it holds solid and true.
that has been the biggest improvement for me, the lighter weight is an added bonus.
I'll see ya in June Jeff.
I also have a prototype that I have been using for a couple of months now and I also have found it to be excellent.
I must say that compared to the new sinclair adjustable model I dont see any difference in flex between the two. It feels as stable and solid as the new sinclair, where the Duplin models shines is in the elevation adj. The new sinclair cost me first place at a big national match due to alot of backlash in the elevation adj, and the new Duplin model is very stable and secure and the adj for elevation is very solid and positive. When you get it adjusted it holds solid and true.
that has been the biggest improvement for me, the lighter weight is an added bonus.
I'll see ya in June Jeff.
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One issue I had from reading reviews of the Centershot bipod was the amount of flex due to the carbon fiber legs. It sounds like that wouldn't be an issue with this Duplin Rifles bipod. Thanks for the review!
One issue I had from reading reviews of the Centershot bipod was the amount of flex due to the carbon fiber legs. It sounds like that wouldn't be an issue with this Duplin Rifles bipod. Thanks for the review!
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I like the looks of this a lot. If I do build a new T/R rig this year, I'll be getting one of these.
I like the looks of this a lot. If I do build a new T/R rig this year, I'll be getting one of these.
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Bada bing bada boom!
By mouzetrap at 2012-05-30
Clint/Jeff GREAT job! This thing is slick! Love the precision adjustment, can't wait to try it out.
Funny story, when the UPS guy handed the box to me I thought "Clint forgot to put my bipod in the box, this must be a cruel joke!"
As you can see, the box wasn't empty...this thing is supa-light.
Fast shipping and awesome CS, thanks again Clint.
Bada bing bada boom!
By mouzetrap at 2012-05-30
Clint/Jeff GREAT job! This thing is slick! Love the precision adjustment, can't wait to try it out.
Funny story, when the UPS guy handed the box to me I thought "Clint forgot to put my bipod in the box, this must be a cruel joke!"
As you can see, the box wasn't empty...this thing is supa-light.
Fast shipping and awesome CS, thanks again Clint.
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thats what i dont get it. 1 day they say you cant use anything on the front of your rifle to control elevation while shooting ftr, now its legal. i guess when the person in charge of the rules wants an advantage he just simply changes the rules. sounds like cheating to me.
thats what i dont get it. 1 day they say you cant use anything on the front of your rifle to control elevation while shooting ftr, now its legal. i guess when the person in charge of the rules wants an advantage he just simply changes the rules. sounds like cheating to me.
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s.i.t. -
Can you please cite your source on "they say you can't use anything on the front of your rifle to control elevation while shooting ftr"? Maybe you have that confused with the rear of the rifle, which is not allowed?? The rules haven't changed on this subject to my knowledge since they were first written.
Also, can you please tell me who you think is in charge of the rules that wants some advantage on this? Cheating? Pretty strong words there accusing anyone using an elevation adjustable bipod such as a Remple, Gen 3 Sinclair, CenterShot, or this bipod of cheating.
Jeff
s.i.t. -
Can you please cite your source on "they say you can't use anything on the front of your rifle to control elevation while shooting ftr"? Maybe you have that confused with the rear of the rifle, which is not allowed?? The rules haven't changed on this subject to my knowledge since they were first written.
Also, can you please tell me who you think is in charge of the rules that wants some advantage on this? Cheating? Pretty strong words there accusing anyone using an elevation adjustable bipod such as a Remple, Gen 3 Sinclair, CenterShot, or this bipod of cheating.
Jeff
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(b) F-Class Target Rifle (F-TR) Rests - A bipod and/or sling are the only allowed front supports for the F-TR rifle. The rifle may be supported by a bipod and/or sling and a rear support which provide no positive mechanical method for returning it to its precise point of aim for the prior shot. Subject to:
(1) The bipod and/or sling and rear support may not be attached to each other.
(2) The use of any form of a table is prohibited. Separate flat boards or plates not exceeding the dimensions of the individual rests by two inches are allowed to be placed under the front and/or rear rests. In the case of a bipod, the board or plate may not exceed the width of the bipod by 2", nor be more than 12" front to rear. See Rule 3.4.1(a)(1).
No leveling screws or protrusions are allowed on these boards or plates. They must be flat on the top and bottom.
This discipline is a modification of high power prone shooting, not a form of bench rest and should not be construed as such.
Disabled competitors may apply to the NRA Protest Committee for appropriate dispensation.
The intent of this rule is to prevent the use of a table type device.
(3) A bipod is a device with no more than two legs that touch the firing point. It must be rigidly attached to the forend of the rifle. The bipod may have rigid or folding legs, and may be adjustable to compensate for the uneven surface of the firing point.
(4) No portion of the rifle’s butt or forend shall rest directly on the ground or any hard surface. A rear rabbit eared bag, small sandbag or a gloved hand may be used to support the rifle’s butt. Any rear support employed shall not be attached, clamped or held to the rifle in any manner. The rear support may not be fixed to or protrude into the firing point. <span style="font-weight: bold">Mechanically adjustable rear support is not allowed</span>.
(5) Any number or type of objects may be placed beneath the bipod or rear support, to compensate for variations in height or slope of the firing point.
(6) The bipod and rear rest may be adjusted after any shot to compensate for rest movement or settling. A sling may be used in conjunction with the rest(s), but its weight will be included in the rifle’s overall weight (Rule 3.4.(b)).
(b) F-Class Target Rifle (F-TR) Rests - A bipod and/or sling are the only allowed front supports for the F-TR rifle. The rifle may be supported by a bipod and/or sling and a rear support which provide no positive mechanical method for returning it to its precise point of aim for the prior shot. Subject to:
(1) The bipod and/or sling and rear support may not be attached to each other.
(2) The use of any form of a table is prohibited. Separate flat boards or plates not exceeding the dimensions of the individual rests by two inches are allowed to be placed under the front and/or rear rests. In the case of a bipod, the board or plate may not exceed the width of the bipod by 2", nor be more than 12" front to rear. See Rule 3.4.1(a)(1).
No leveling screws or protrusions are allowed on these boards or plates. They must be flat on the top and bottom.
This discipline is a modification of high power prone shooting, not a form of bench rest and should not be construed as such.
Disabled competitors may apply to the NRA Protest Committee for appropriate dispensation.
The intent of this rule is to prevent the use of a table type device.
(3) A bipod is a device with no more than two legs that touch the firing point. It must be rigidly attached to the forend of the rifle. The bipod may have rigid or folding legs, and may be adjustable to compensate for the uneven surface of the firing point.
(4) No portion of the rifle’s butt or forend shall rest directly on the ground or any hard surface. A rear rabbit eared bag, small sandbag or a gloved hand may be used to support the rifle’s butt. Any rear support employed shall not be attached, clamped or held to the rifle in any manner. The rear support may not be fixed to or protrude into the firing point. <span style="font-weight: bold">Mechanically adjustable rear support is not allowed</span>.
(5) Any number or type of objects may be placed beneath the bipod or rear support, to compensate for variations in height or slope of the firing point.
(6) The bipod and rear rest may be adjusted after any shot to compensate for rest movement or settling. A sling may be used in conjunction with the rest(s), but its weight will be included in the rifle’s overall weight (Rule 3.4.(b)).
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i never said it "was" cheating, i said to ME it was cheating. i was always trained to adjust your vetical axis of the rifle with your rear bag. guys in f-class open shoot off of rests that are adjustable in the front to put there rifle on target because the rear of the rifle is flat, not tapered like mose fifle stocks in ftr. inventing a bipod for an ftr shooter with same ability as an fclass front rest in my opinion is wrong and should be in a class of its own or in fclass open. ive read the rules and know there is no rule against them but like i said in my personal opinion, if your gonna use a bipod with the same abilities as an fclass rest, you might as well shoot in fclass.
i never said it "was" cheating, i said to ME it was cheating. i was always trained to adjust your vetical axis of the rifle with your rear bag. guys in f-class open shoot off of rests that are adjustable in the front to put there rifle on target because the rear of the rifle is flat, not tapered like mose fifle stocks in ftr. inventing a bipod for an ftr shooter with same ability as an fclass front rest in my opinion is wrong and should be in a class of its own or in fclass open. ive read the rules and know there is no rule against them but like i said in my personal opinion, if your gonna use a bipod with the same abilities as an fclass rest, you might as well shoot in fclass.
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The only use of the wheel is to adjust when changing yardage from 600 to say 800.Poeple that I see with the sinclaire or Wiel dont turn the wheel every shot they use the rear bag. I have to raise my old sinclaire everytime I move to another line during a match thats why I would like one with a wheel for elevation.
The only use of the wheel is to adjust when changing yardage from 600 to say 800.Poeple that I see with the sinclaire or Wiel dont turn the wheel every shot they use the rear bag. I have to raise my old sinclaire everytime I move to another line during a match thats why I would like one with a wheel for elevation.
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Again, who said it was ever against the rules? You said " 1 day they say you cant use anything on the front of your rifle to control elevation while shooting ftr, now its legal." This implies that it once was illegal and now it is legal. Who is "they"?
With any adjustable bipod like this, the front elevation adjustment is a coarse adjustment with fine control used with the rear support, such as a sandbag.
On this bipod being just like F open, not so fast. The gun recoils on the front rest in open. This bipod recoils with the rifle, just like every other bipod used in FTR.
On cheating, we agreed it was YOUR OPINION that using an elevation adjustable bipod is cheating. But that is not how FTR works. We go by rules, not opinions.
Again, who said it was ever against the rules? You said " 1 day they say you cant use anything on the front of your rifle to control elevation while shooting ftr, now its legal." This implies that it once was illegal and now it is legal. Who is "they"?
With any adjustable bipod like this, the front elevation adjustment is a coarse adjustment with fine control used with the rear support, such as a sandbag.
On this bipod being just like F open, not so fast. The gun recoils on the front rest in open. This bipod recoils with the rifle, just like every other bipod used in FTR.
On cheating, we agreed it was YOUR OPINION that using an elevation adjustable bipod is cheating. But that is not how FTR works. We go by rules, not opinions.
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im not trying to start anything here but in your expert opinion, what would be the use for it. i have yet to meet a person with an atlas, harris, or any other foldable bipod who hasnt been able to get on the line and shoot. thats why the legs can be extended and the bipod pivots. so, in your opinion, whats the point of the point of the thing?
im not trying to start anything here but in your expert opinion, what would be the use for it. i have yet to meet a person with an atlas, harris, or any other foldable bipod who hasnt been able to get on the line and shoot. thats why the legs can be extended and the bipod pivots. so, in your opinion, whats the point of the point of the thing?
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s.i.t.,
There is nothing in the rules, or philosophy against the new "landing-gear" style adjustable bipods in F-T/R. I would guess that I'm in the minority in still running a folding "military-style" bipod (at this point in time, an LRA, but I've used GG&G, Harris, and others before), but that's just my preference.
Having used one of the adjustable style, it really is just a coarse adjustment to counter "settling" from shot to shot as your string progresses. The front adjust is in lieu of making larger rear bag adjustments every shot... in general, it's a wash. The real (read precision) adjustment is still made at the rear bag.
No one is requiring the use of the newer style adjustable pods, heck you certainly don't have to have one in order to be competitive, it just allows flexibility in how shooters approach the challenge of putting 15-20 shots in a 1/2 MOA target at 2/3 of a mile! Flexibility = more comfortable shooters = more participation!
Best,
Darrell
BTW: "cheating" is a strong word, it'll probably get a reaction.
s.i.t.,
There is nothing in the rules, or philosophy against the new "landing-gear" style adjustable bipods in F-T/R. I would guess that I'm in the minority in still running a folding "military-style" bipod (at this point in time, an LRA, but I've used GG&G, Harris, and others before), but that's just my preference.
Having used one of the adjustable style, it really is just a coarse adjustment to counter "settling" from shot to shot as your string progresses. The front adjust is in lieu of making larger rear bag adjustments every shot... in general, it's a wash. The real (read precision) adjustment is still made at the rear bag.
No one is requiring the use of the newer style adjustable pods, heck you certainly don't have to have one in order to be competitive, it just allows flexibility in how shooters approach the challenge of putting 15-20 shots in a 1/2 MOA target at 2/3 of a mile! Flexibility = more comfortable shooters = more participation!
Best,
Darrell
BTW: "cheating" is a strong word, it'll probably get a reaction.
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I have used a Harris before with PodPaws and I had a lot of jump. With wider bipods such as the ones mentioned before, are generally more stable than the smaller, foldable bipods like the Harris. With electronic muffs, I could hear the spring on the bipod on each shot. If I wasn't happy with the height of the bipod, yes I could adjust it, but I didn't have the fine control. I then started to use the CenterShot. The ability to precisely control the height of the front of the rifle allows me to place the rear bags very close to where I want them on the rifle, unlike the Harris. After settling the rear bags a little more, I make the final adjustment on the front. Once I do that, all elevation control is done from squeezing rear bags. If you reach around to make an elevation adjustment for each shot, you are breaking position (bad) and changing the point of contact from the bipod (also bad). Each time I set up on the line for my turn, the rifle is not exactly in the same spot. Sometimes that is on purpose if I think I wasn't a comfortable spot. That means each time the height of the bipod is not exactly where it needs to be. This is quite different than a typical F open front set up.
I'd like to keep this a friendly discussion but understand that when someone comes on a forum and implies someone changed the rules so they have an advantage, you need facts. Simply put, you have not provided one statement to back your initial claim that this happened. We can all have our opinions and are free to express them, but be careful when throwing out statements like you did unless you can back them.
I have used a Harris before with PodPaws and I had a lot of jump. With wider bipods such as the ones mentioned before, are generally more stable than the smaller, foldable bipods like the Harris. With electronic muffs, I could hear the spring on the bipod on each shot. If I wasn't happy with the height of the bipod, yes I could adjust it, but I didn't have the fine control. I then started to use the CenterShot. The ability to precisely control the height of the front of the rifle allows me to place the rear bags very close to where I want them on the rifle, unlike the Harris. After settling the rear bags a little more, I make the final adjustment on the front. Once I do that, all elevation control is done from squeezing rear bags. If you reach around to make an elevation adjustment for each shot, you are breaking position (bad) and changing the point of contact from the bipod (also bad). Each time I set up on the line for my turn, the rifle is not exactly in the same spot. Sometimes that is on purpose if I think I wasn't a comfortable spot. That means each time the height of the bipod is not exactly where it needs to be. This is quite different than a typical F open front set up.
I'd like to keep this a friendly discussion but understand that when someone comes on a forum and implies someone changed the rules so they have an advantage, you need facts. Simply put, you have not provided one statement to back your initial claim that this happened. We can all have our opinions and are free to express them, but be careful when throwing out statements like you did unless you can back them.
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i have read the rules. i never said they were illegal, in my opinion there not necessary. once you start shooting with it youll figure out how to make fine adjustment with the front end and you start shooting in the manor of which it was not designed, which is the part that i say is like cheating. i have a harris swivel bipod 6-9" with pod claws myself and im trying to figure out where your getting all this hop from whether im prone with my claws in the dirt or on the bench with my rubber feet on the bench i nor anyone i know has had such hop that they required such a wide stance just to fix the problem. do you load your bipod before each shot or do you just lay behind it and let it do what it wants. and your right, someone found a loop hole in the rules that dosnt say that our bipods could be adjusted from the front. i give you that, thee is no rule nor has there been. i was giving you an example. but my question is this, if yor having such difficult getting the rifle to meet with the target why not just do what everyone else does? its called 1/4 plywood under the rear bag. its not illegal and it help get the rifle where it needs to go
i have read the rules. i never said they were illegal, in my opinion there not necessary. once you start shooting with it youll figure out how to make fine adjustment with the front end and you start shooting in the manor of which it was not designed, which is the part that i say is like cheating. i have a harris swivel bipod 6-9" with pod claws myself and im trying to figure out where your getting all this hop from whether im prone with my claws in the dirt or on the bench with my rubber feet on the bench i nor anyone i know has had such hop that they required such a wide stance just to fix the problem. do you load your bipod before each shot or do you just lay behind it and let it do what it wants. and your right, someone found a loop hole in the rules that dosnt say that our bipods could be adjusted from the front. i give you that, thee is no rule nor has there been. i was giving you an example. but my question is this, if yor having such difficult getting the rifle to meet with the target why not just do what everyone else does? its called 1/4 plywood under the rear bag. its not illegal and it help get the rifle where it needs to go
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When changing from my Harris to a CenterShot, my vertical at 1000 yds dramatically decreased. Case closed. I meet so few people shooting at the top that use a Harris and many have complained of "hop" that used to use a Harris. Are we all wrong? As Darrell said, it is within the spirit of the rules and is not a loophole. It is superior bipod design that top level shooters enjoy. But I can see I'm just beating a dead horse here. You have your opinion and I have mine. You made statements that were not opinion and I'm sorry you don't see value in something other than what you use. From your statements, it appears you are just in a small F class group and just don't have a grasp of F class on a larger scale.
About plywood, I'll let you lug that around on an airplane. I'll pass. A simple design exists that eliminates the need for it. I'm also perfectly happy placing my two sandbags exactly where I want them to ride the rear of the stock properly and make them easily adjustable. I also don't go around and antagonize people that want to use something different than what I am using. If it is within the rules, it goes.
When changing from my Harris to a CenterShot, my vertical at 1000 yds dramatically decreased. Case closed. I meet so few people shooting at the top that use a Harris and many have complained of "hop" that used to use a Harris. Are we all wrong? As Darrell said, it is within the spirit of the rules and is not a loophole. It is superior bipod design that top level shooters enjoy. But I can see I'm just beating a dead horse here. You have your opinion and I have mine. You made statements that were not opinion and I'm sorry you don't see value in something other than what you use. From your statements, it appears you are just in a small F class group and just don't have a grasp of F class on a larger scale.
About plywood, I'll let you lug that around on an airplane. I'll pass. A simple design exists that eliminates the need for it. I'm also perfectly happy placing my two sandbags exactly where I want them to ride the rear of the stock properly and make them easily adjustable. I also don't go around and antagonize people that want to use something different than what I am using. If it is within the rules, it goes.
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you took what i meant all wrong dude, its something thats been going on here for a while now, even before i joined this site. if your rifle is hopping under recoil, instead of researching the problem and asking questions on how to fix the problem as myself and every other tactical shooter on here has done, some people blame it on equipment and try something else. im not saying your no good at what you do. i dont know you and never saw you shoot. but my rifle used to hop like crazy every time i fired until i learned how to control it by repositioning my self and learning how to load my bipod. lowlights videos on youtube and a lot of practice can work wonders. it also helps to have over trained military friend to explain to u what your doing wrong as your doing it.
you took what i meant all wrong dude, its something thats been going on here for a while now, even before i joined this site. if your rifle is hopping under recoil, instead of researching the problem and asking questions on how to fix the problem as myself and every other tactical shooter on here has done, some people blame it on equipment and try something else. im not saying your no good at what you do. i dont know you and never saw you shoot. but my rifle used to hop like crazy every time i fired until i learned how to control it by repositioning my self and learning how to load my bipod. lowlights videos on youtube and a lot of practice can work wonders. it also helps to have over trained military friend to explain to u what your doing wrong as your doing it.
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I don't blame equipment. I worked with a top shooter in 2008 on position and minimizing the hop. I was 4th at the 2009 World Championships in 2009 with a Harris. My game improved with the adjustable style bipod when I switched. Like I said, just stay with your Harris and I'll stay with my bipod. I will not call your equipment "like cheating" if I personally don't like it and I expect the same civility from others.
I don't blame equipment. I worked with a top shooter in 2008 on position and minimizing the hop. I was 4th at the 2009 World Championships in 2009 with a Harris. My game improved with the adjustable style bipod when I switched. Like I said, just stay with your Harris and I'll stay with my bipod. I will not call your equipment "like cheating" if I personally don't like it and I expect the same civility from others.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: s.i.t.</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> im saying your no good at what you do. i dont know you and never saw you shoot. </div></div>
s.i.t.
Jeff is one of the top shooters in the sport, heck, he's one of my top ranked guys on the US Team; he knows what he's doing.
What's going on here is the technique that has been adopted amongst F-T/R shooters (because it's spectacularly accurate) when shooting light bullets (155's). The 155's like it a lot when you *don't* have a death-grip on the rifle. The reason for this is that it is very difficult to <span style="font-style: italic">precisely</span> gauge your bipod load. With this technique, we're getting regular 4" groups (vertical) at 1000 yards.
What people are finding as they get into the "heavy" bullets (185 grain and above), is that they are having to go back and re-think their technique and position some, to accommodate the added recoil sensitivity of the heavies. (i.e. loading the bipod).
All respect to the tactical shooters (I certainly compete in the tactical area as well as F-Class), the level of precision required for this game is a whole different level. Our "X" ring at 1000 yards is 5" across; at 300, it is only 1.42"... small!! Technique is vitally important in keeping the rounds in that "X" ring (or very close to it).
Hope this helps,
Darrell Buell
Captain, Team USA F-T/R
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: s.i.t.</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> im saying your no good at what you do. i dont know you and never saw you shoot. </div></div>
s.i.t.
Jeff is one of the top shooters in the sport, heck, he's one of my top ranked guys on the US Team; he knows what he's doing.
What's going on here is the technique that has been adopted amongst F-T/R shooters (because it's spectacularly accurate) when shooting light bullets (155's). The 155's like it a lot when you *don't* have a death-grip on the rifle. The reason for this is that it is very difficult to <span style="font-style: italic">precisely</span> gauge your bipod load. With this technique, we're getting regular 4" groups (vertical) at 1000 yards.
What people are finding as they get into the "heavy" bullets (185 grain and above), is that they are having to go back and re-think their technique and position some, to accommodate the added recoil sensitivity of the heavies. (i.e. loading the bipod).
All respect to the tactical shooters (I certainly compete in the tactical area as well as F-Class), the level of precision required for this game is a whole different level. Our "X" ring at 1000 yards is 5" across; at 300, it is only 1.42"... small!! Technique is vitally important in keeping the rounds in that "X" ring (or very close to it).
Hope this helps,
Darrell Buell
Captain, Team USA F-T/R
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I just recently switched from a couple of standard bipods (harris included) to this one. I must say, having the adjustment up front is really nice. I can now get behind the rifle where I am comfortable with respect to shoulder height and adjust the bipod to that height versus having to work around notches or individual leg adjustments.
Cheating is a harsh word. I am brand new to this game but the guys in this thread (Jeff, Darrell, Monte & Clint) have gone way way above and beyond trying to get me up to speed on F-T/R, reloading, etc and haven't asked for a dime from me...a GREAT group of people to be around so that cheating word doesn't s.i.t. well with me.
I have been offered to use one of their rifles and their ammo against them in a match...the thing is they will still be champs and I will still be not even close. The equipment helps but that's not what makes these guys good.
I just recently switched from a couple of standard bipods (harris included) to this one. I must say, having the adjustment up front is really nice. I can now get behind the rifle where I am comfortable with respect to shoulder height and adjust the bipod to that height versus having to work around notches or individual leg adjustments.
Cheating is a harsh word. I am brand new to this game but the guys in this thread (Jeff, Darrell, Monte & Clint) have gone way way above and beyond trying to get me up to speed on F-T/R, reloading, etc and haven't asked for a dime from me...a GREAT group of people to be around so that cheating word doesn't s.i.t. well with me.
I have been offered to use one of their rifles and their ammo against them in a match...the thing is they will still be champs and I will still be not even close. The equipment helps but that's not what makes these guys good.
Re: new bipod
The fellas mentioned above would beat most other competitors even if they were competing with a BB gun with iron sights resting on a rotten log. It's NOT the bipod. If someone thinks an adjustable bipod gives these top shooters an unfair advantage, they're sadly <span style="font-style: italic">misinformed</span>. These people are not at the top of the game because of the bipod they use.
I use the Atlas in competitions where I'm shooting 175s because I like to load it heavy. I've tried a similar type of bipod as being discussed here and I simply can't get used to not being able load it. I will probably never be able to get used to it. So for me, this bipod would not only NOT be an unfair advantage, it would actually be a disadvantage because I'm uncomfortable shooting it. I've tried many different types with wider footprints, but I always come back to the Atlas because it works best for me.
Having said that, I'm always very happy to see innovation and individuals pushing the envelope to develop new ideas like this bipod for use in the sport of F-Class shooting. It's good for the sport. To imply that this <span style="font-style: italic">legal</span> bipod would give an unfair advantage is not only incorrect, it's pretty poor sportsmanship. Take a look at the front of most "classic" Harris-style bipods. The legs extend, right? Sorry to disillusion you, but that's a <span style="font-style: italic">mechanical</span> elevation device, my friend. So how does that differ from a knob? It doesn't. So if you think this type of device gives an unfair advantage to those using it, I'll give you a tip here, free of charge, that can potentially give anyone using it far more of an advantage over their competitors than any mechanical device.
Practice...<span style="text-decoration: underline">a LOT</span>.
The fellas mentioned above would beat most other competitors even if they were competing with a BB gun with iron sights resting on a rotten log. It's NOT the bipod. If someone thinks an adjustable bipod gives these top shooters an unfair advantage, they're sadly <span style="font-style: italic">misinformed</span>. These people are not at the top of the game because of the bipod they use.
I use the Atlas in competitions where I'm shooting 175s because I like to load it heavy. I've tried a similar type of bipod as being discussed here and I simply can't get used to not being able load it. I will probably never be able to get used to it. So for me, this bipod would not only NOT be an unfair advantage, it would actually be a disadvantage because I'm uncomfortable shooting it. I've tried many different types with wider footprints, but I always come back to the Atlas because it works best for me.
Having said that, I'm always very happy to see innovation and individuals pushing the envelope to develop new ideas like this bipod for use in the sport of F-Class shooting. It's good for the sport. To imply that this <span style="font-style: italic">legal</span> bipod would give an unfair advantage is not only incorrect, it's pretty poor sportsmanship. Take a look at the front of most "classic" Harris-style bipods. The legs extend, right? Sorry to disillusion you, but that's a <span style="font-style: italic">mechanical</span> elevation device, my friend. So how does that differ from a knob? It doesn't. So if you think this type of device gives an unfair advantage to those using it, I'll give you a tip here, free of charge, that can potentially give anyone using it far more of an advantage over their competitors than any mechanical device.
Practice...<span style="text-decoration: underline">a LOT</span>.
Re: new bipod
Would a shooter new to F/TR using a bipod like the Duplin or similar have less vertical at 1000 yards? I shoot F Open but I'm going to F/TR as soon as I get my rifle together. I shoot a notched leg swivel bipod in Tac shoots so I'm very familiar with them, just looking for what will help my accuracy right off the bat for 60 + rounds.
Would a shooter new to F/TR using a bipod like the Duplin or similar have less vertical at 1000 yards? I shoot F Open but I'm going to F/TR as soon as I get my rifle together. I shoot a notched leg swivel bipod in Tac shoots so I'm very familiar with them, just looking for what will help my accuracy right off the bat for 60 + rounds.
Re: new bipod
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dgd6mm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Would a shooter new to F/TR using a bipod like the dublin or similar have less vertical at 1000 yards? </div></div>
If your question is would one of these new "landing gear" style pods help you be more accurate (vertical) at 1000 than a Harris, then the answer is a definite *yes*. They are not necessarily more stable than some of the "folding leg" style pods (I run an LRA pod). With any of them, you will have to adapt your style to the pod you use. With most of the ultra-lightweight pods, there is a tradeoff to get the ultra-light weight, and that is a little flexibility. Not a problem if you adapt your style to the pod (John Weil has done exceptionally well running his CenShot bipod, as has Jeff Rorer) Furthermore, I have heard that the Duplin bipod has reduced the "flexibility" factor, but I have not actually used one, so I can't say for sure.
In short, going with a pod that is intended for the game (or the LRA which was designed as a military pod, but crosses over well) will give your scores a boost over running something that was never intended to do the job that we're asking it to do at 1000+ yards (ie. the Harris).
YMMV,
Darrell
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dgd6mm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Would a shooter new to F/TR using a bipod like the dublin or similar have less vertical at 1000 yards? </div></div>
If your question is would one of these new "landing gear" style pods help you be more accurate (vertical) at 1000 than a Harris, then the answer is a definite *yes*. They are not necessarily more stable than some of the "folding leg" style pods (I run an LRA pod). With any of them, you will have to adapt your style to the pod you use. With most of the ultra-lightweight pods, there is a tradeoff to get the ultra-light weight, and that is a little flexibility. Not a problem if you adapt your style to the pod (John Weil has done exceptionally well running his CenShot bipod, as has Jeff Rorer) Furthermore, I have heard that the Duplin bipod has reduced the "flexibility" factor, but I have not actually used one, so I can't say for sure.
In short, going with a pod that is intended for the game (or the LRA which was designed as a military pod, but crosses over well) will give your scores a boost over running something that was never intended to do the job that we're asking it to do at 1000+ yards (ie. the Harris).
YMMV,
Darrell
Re: new bipod
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: s.i.t.</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> im saying your no good at what you do. i dont know you and never saw you shoot. </div></div>
That's a bold statement especially since you mention you don't know him and never saw him shoot.
Check out the link below.
youtube
KT
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: s.i.t.</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> im saying your no good at what you do. i dont know you and never saw you shoot. </div></div>
That's a bold statement especially since you mention you don't know him and never saw him shoot.
Check out the link below.
youtube
KT
Re: new bipod
KBT,
The link is broke.
s.i.t. has made it clear that he knows absolutely squat about the sport, or he would know that Jeff won F-T/R at F-Class Nationals last year. This is probably the best example I've ever seen of someone shooting off their mouth without knowing what they are talking about or who they are talking to. Perhaps he will show Tiger Woods how to golf when he is done showing Jeff how a bipod works.
I tried to stay out of this one, but this is just ridiculous.
Ryan
KBT,
The link is broke.
s.i.t. has made it clear that he knows absolutely squat about the sport, or he would know that Jeff won F-T/R at F-Class Nationals last year. This is probably the best example I've ever seen of someone shooting off their mouth without knowing what they are talking about or who they are talking to. Perhaps he will show Tiger Woods how to golf when he is done showing Jeff how a bipod works.
I tried to stay out of this one, but this is just ridiculous.
Ryan
Re: new bipod
whos hacking my profile and changing what i wrote? thats slander. i said, "im not saying your no good at what you do. i dont know you and never saw you shoot". anyone who changes someones words is just looking for something to argue about. i never once said the man cant shoot not nor have i said i know everything about the sport.
whos hacking my profile and changing what i wrote? thats slander. i said, "im not saying your no good at what you do. i dont know you and never saw you shoot". anyone who changes someones words is just looking for something to argue about. i never once said the man cant shoot not nor have i said i know everything about the sport.
Re: new bipod
Yes Darrell, that is what I was asking. Thanks for answering my question, tho it wasn't completely clear. I've not seen the Duplin or the LRA bipods yet. Hope to see them soon out on the line. Where would you purchase either of them from? I could do a search and more then likely will.
Yes Darrell, that is what I was asking. Thanks for answering my question, tho it wasn't completely clear. I've not seen the Duplin or the LRA bipods yet. Hope to see them soon out on the line. Where would you purchase either of them from? I could do a search and more then likely will.
Re: new bipod
I greatly appreciate all that spoke in my defense. Your kind words were appreciated. If I haven't met you guys yet, I sure hope I can have the privilege soon to meet you.
I greatly appreciate all that spoke in my defense. Your kind words were appreciated. If I haven't met you guys yet, I sure hope I can have the privilege soon to meet you.
Re: new bipod
The Duplin bipod can be seen at the beginning of the thread and purchased through Clint. His email is clint at duplinrifles dot com.
The Duplin bipod can be seen at the beginning of the thread and purchased through Clint. His email is clint at duplinrifles dot com.
Re: new bipod
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: s.i.t.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">whos hacking my profile and changing what i wrote? thats slander. i said, "im not saying your no good at what you do. i dont know you and never saw you shoot". anyone who changes someones words is just looking for something to argue about. i never once said the man cant shoot not nor have i said i know everything about the sport.
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No one hacked your profile. You edited the post today to add the word "not".
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: s.i.t.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">whos hacking my profile and changing what i wrote? thats slander. i said, "im not saying your no good at what you do. i dont know you and never saw you shoot". anyone who changes someones words is just looking for something to argue about. i never once said the man cant shoot not nor have i said i know everything about the sport.
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No one hacked your profile. You edited the post today to add the word "not".
Re: new bipod
i know i did. i put it back. it was taken off. it isnt the first time on this forum or any forum that my post were changed. ive been on this forum for a long time and theres no way shape or form am i trying to take over nor saying anyone here is a crappy shooter. unless its blaintently obvious. im here to learn and share info, the same as you. things got mixed up and words got changed. i do appologize for sounding like an ass but i dont like getting houded for having a difference in opinion on something.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DGosnell</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: s.i.t.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">whos hacking my profile and changing what i wrote? thats slander. i said, "im not saying your no good at what you do. i dont know you and never saw you shoot". anyone who changes someones words is just looking for something to argue about. i never once said the man cant shoot not nor have i said i know everything about the sport.
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No one hacked your profile. You edited the post today to add the word "not".</div></div>
i know i did. i put it back. it was taken off. it isnt the first time on this forum or any forum that my post were changed. ive been on this forum for a long time and theres no way shape or form am i trying to take over nor saying anyone here is a crappy shooter. unless its blaintently obvious. im here to learn and share info, the same as you. things got mixed up and words got changed. i do appologize for sounding like an ass but i dont like getting houded for having a difference in opinion on something.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DGosnell</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: s.i.t.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">whos hacking my profile and changing what i wrote? thats slander. i said, "im not saying your no good at what you do. i dont know you and never saw you shoot". anyone who changes someones words is just looking for something to argue about. i never once said the man cant shoot not nor have i said i know everything about the sport.
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No one hacked your profile. You edited the post today to add the word "not".</div></div>
Re: new bipod
Not that *any* of the site 'staff' has ever shown an interest in 'stirring the pot' where F-Class is concerned... no, that'd *never* happen here...
Not that *any* of the site 'staff' has ever shown an interest in 'stirring the pot' where F-Class is concerned... no, that'd *never* happen here...
Re: new bipod
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dgd6mm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Yes Darrell, that is what I was asking. Thanks for answering my question, tho it wasn't completely clear. I've not seen the Duplin or the LRA bipods yet. Hope to see them soon out on the line. Where would you purchase either of them from? I could do a search and more then likely will. </div></div>
Jeff has already answered the bit about the Duplin contact, my LRA comes from http://www.lraccuracy.com/
Here's a picture of it:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dgd6mm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Yes Darrell, that is what I was asking. Thanks for answering my question, tho it wasn't completely clear. I've not seen the Duplin or the LRA bipods yet. Hope to see them soon out on the line. Where would you purchase either of them from? I could do a search and more then likely will. </div></div>
Jeff has already answered the bit about the Duplin contact, my LRA comes from http://www.lraccuracy.com/
Here's a picture of it:
Re: new bipod
Try this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc5_1y2pRs4
Darrell - does your bipod attach to the front stud or the rail? What is the weight of the bipod?
Paul
Try this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc5_1y2pRs4
Darrell - does your bipod attach to the front stud or the rail? What is the weight of the bipod?
Paul
Re: new bipod
Attaches to a picatinny rail section - cuz its tacti-cool - which fits in the fore-end rail. IIRC, he uses one from JP Enterprises last time I looked at it.
Attaches to a picatinny rail section - cuz its tacti-cool - which fits in the fore-end rail. IIRC, he uses one from JP Enterprises last time I looked at it.
