A Vermont company has won a U.S. Army contract worth up to $98 million to produce lightweight next-generation combat helmets for soldiers. Things sure have changed.
New combat helmet
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as long it isnt heavy, obstruct vision or breathing, it looks like it has its uses...
i like the eye pro..
i like the eye pro..
Looks to me like it would limit both peripheral vision and hearing, though it would help in a sandstorm, Id guess.
Not sure this is such a good idea.... as it's looking more and more like a Stormtrooper's helmet. Just needs the little round 'side-vent/voice thingy's'.
And ya'll know they can't hit their targets, for shit! HA
And ya'll know they can't hit their targets, for shit! HA
That thing looks like one enormous pain in the ass. The brain buckets are already miserable to wear in the desert, that thing just adds levels of daily misery.
Back when we used to "turret-surf" out of the gunners hatches on HMMWVs that thing would've helped for when you smashed your face into a heavy gun or TOW system, but for dismounts hell no.
Whats worse, is that the way the Army treats PPE these days is that if it's issued or available you've got to wear it, whether its mission appropriate or not. So even if you can pull the mask off of that thing, the troops are still likely going to be required to have it on.
What fun to constantly have that visor coated with poo dust, fogged up, rebreathing your own field breath, with the sweat rain running down the inside of the helmet. No fucking thanks.
Back when we used to "turret-surf" out of the gunners hatches on HMMWVs that thing would've helped for when you smashed your face into a heavy gun or TOW system, but for dismounts hell no.
Whats worse, is that the way the Army treats PPE these days is that if it's issued or available you've got to wear it, whether its mission appropriate or not. So even if you can pull the mask off of that thing, the troops are still likely going to be required to have it on.
What fun to constantly have that visor coated with poo dust, fogged up, rebreathing your own field breath, with the sweat rain running down the inside of the helmet. No fucking thanks.
That lense looks to wrap pretty far around, even perfect peripheral vision is only 180 degrees. As far as the hearing goes, seems to me that a little ear pro, combined with some radio comms would be a good thing. NFL quarterbacks (maybe even college and some high schools, idk) have radio comms in their helmets, motorcycle helmets have it, why not the military?
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Txfireguy, here is what is wrong with wrap around helmets with comms.
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You can't hear or see shit. In SF we have this thing called a "listening halt". Helmets are great for certain situations. The monstrosity above, no doubt appeals to a generation raised on "HALO" and "Call of Duty", but will get you killed. No "situational awareness".
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You can't hear or see shit. In SF we have this thing called a "listening halt". Helmets are great for certain situations. The monstrosity above, no doubt appeals to a generation raised on "HALO" and "Call of Duty", but will get you killed. No "situational awareness".
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That window is going to be a dust magnet just like goggles are. After they get wiped a couple times scratches will develop and it will be impossible to see out of. Have to be replaced daily.
On the other hand I can't wait to see all the shark teeth and fangs the GI's are going to draw on those things!
On the other hand I can't wait to see all the shark teeth and fangs the GI's are going to draw on those things!
What Bogey said!! Boonie hats for the win. 'Cept I know nothing about fighting in a sandbox.
I was actually too specific when I said "desert". The brain bucket just plain sucks to wear, regardless of the theater of operation. Short of arctic training I can't imagine an AO where that helmet wouldn't be a miserable cunt to wrap around your dome.
Soft covers used to SOP in the Marine Corps for dismounted patrols before the modern IED threat environment
i was just surfing elsewhere on the internet and one of the ads was this co. was displayed and it showed a man with the helmet system on. average grunt hell no, specialized use like bogey states above maybe...
i didnt like the old helmet, didnt take but a couple of days not wearing it and then having to use it again to hate it all over again...
i didnt like the old helmet, didnt take but a couple of days not wearing it and then having to use it again to hate it all over again...
We're just waiting for that all atingle. I'm afraid that we may have seen the last of him, though.
A company I served on the board of built parts (specifically the milled aluminum boxes to hold circuit packs) for Gallet for many years. Mainly these parts were for the helmets that they supplied that mounted fused night vision and some related things that I am under NDA on. But all the FAST helmets and similar came out of Gallet and had our parts on them.
And they build some neat sh**.
I've worn or tried almost everything in their inventory or pipeline up until July 2016 when I was done at the supplier.
I can say that their stuff is pretty cool. But that, personally, I'd rather wear a CCM hockey helmet or a Protec. Not because it will stop rounds, but because it will allow situational awareness that helps you avoid rounds. But that's me. What do I know... I was in marketing.
Will be interesting to see how these do in the field. But keep in mind that there will be some pretty neat capabilities 'inside.' Will they outweigh the 'negatives?' And I'm a dinosaur anyway. I still like 1911's.... And I refuse to wear a full-face motorcycle helmet because I think my half-helmet with leather cheek-pieces.... gives me the situational awareness to stay alive in traffic. And so far, I ain't been wrong.
Cheers,
Sirhr
And they build some neat sh**.
I've worn or tried almost everything in their inventory or pipeline up until July 2016 when I was done at the supplier.
I can say that their stuff is pretty cool. But that, personally, I'd rather wear a CCM hockey helmet or a Protec. Not because it will stop rounds, but because it will allow situational awareness that helps you avoid rounds. But that's me. What do I know... I was in marketing.
Will be interesting to see how these do in the field. But keep in mind that there will be some pretty neat capabilities 'inside.' Will they outweigh the 'negatives?' And I'm a dinosaur anyway. I still like 1911's.... And I refuse to wear a full-face motorcycle helmet because I think my half-helmet with leather cheek-pieces.... gives me the situational awareness to stay alive in traffic. And so far, I ain't been wrong.
Cheers,
Sirhr
The good news is that helmet is modular, you can run it simply as a straight ACH style helmet those of us old(er) guys hate and despise, but for some reason know and love out of pure nostalgia. So for standard foot patrols, still the basic brain bucket that's been in use since the first kevlars were introduced back in the 80s. It would be awesome for them to move to high cut helmets for everyone, but we all know that one isn't happening, would be too "cool guy-ish" for straight legs to wear the good shit. Conversely, if like Bogey said the Army commands require everyone to wear every last piece of PPE and troops wear this full face shit on foot in the bush? Well, that's just stupid but it wouldn't surprise me for a moment, COs can be pretty stupid that way.
The face shield and ballistic mandible cover, that would be fucking awesome for running in a turret or bird where you're on a pintle mounted weapon anyhow. Yeah, dust would get all over the lens, but still better than all up in the eyes. As a past CAAT Plt Sgt, my guys did all they could to keep the shit out of their eyes and mouth/nose, so this helmet would go a long ways to fulfill those protective needs right along with hopefully some additional blast protection to reduce the severity of TBI. Something to block the wind in the face when it's cold and running in a turret would be money in the bank.
The face shield and ballistic mandible cover, that would be fucking awesome for running in a turret or bird where you're on a pintle mounted weapon anyhow. Yeah, dust would get all over the lens, but still better than all up in the eyes. As a past CAAT Plt Sgt, my guys did all they could to keep the shit out of their eyes and mouth/nose, so this helmet would go a long ways to fulfill those protective needs right along with hopefully some additional blast protection to reduce the severity of TBI. Something to block the wind in the face when it's cold and running in a turret would be money in the bank.
Back in the day, when we were away from "higher", several of us that had seen what happens when a face meets a TOW system or heavy gun would wear motocross face shields while turret surfing out in the Stumps. They saved several painful trips to BAS.
For dismounts, situational awareness is worth a helluva lot more to me than the nominal protection of a bucket. I was "on my own program" when I was out looking for IEDs and would only wear a helmet while in a helo or a vehicle. Once we unassed our ride it went in my pack and I wore my "ballistic ball cap" as I called it.
30 minutes after that picture was taken I spotted a DFC in a tree further up that wadi. 20 guys had already walked past it, and we were just plain lucky that no one was on the command det at the time. That was one of several I saw that others missed, at a certain point it became pretty obvious to me that my ability to see, hear, and THINK were more valuable to me than the protection of a helmet. That place sucked enough balls without cooking your melon all day.
Bogey, were you the dog handler? And that is an IED dog?
Helmet - when I look at that new design, I see what appears to be a hinge mechanism that would allow the face shield to be rotated up, over the top, and perhaps even around to the back side where it would be out of the way.
Helmet - when I look at that new design, I see what appears to be a hinge mechanism that would allow the face shield to be rotated up, over the top, and perhaps even around to the back side where it would be out of the way.
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Yeah, my way into the war as an old guy was running an Explosives Detection Dog for the Canadian Army, long story.
I saw that hinge mechanism on the helmet, similar to the European style motorcycle helmets. Still seems like a PITA, and can't imagine how it would clear NODs
My initial thoughts on this helmet when I started this post was "How the hell can you hear anything, how hot is this damn thing, and how many parts are on this thing that can break?" My perspective was that of an SF soldier...but no one enters the Army as SF...we all entered the Army in a conventional MOS or Branch. I was initially a Combat Engineer in 1st Armored Division...so pretty much a Mech Plt Ldr. I would have killed for this as a Mech soldier...built in eye shield...great...built in comms...what's not to like...too hot...not Oct thru May on the Czech border. SF is the only Branch that can pretty much get away with wearing whatever best suits the mission. For the conventional light infantry like 10th MTN, 101st, and 82nd, one can only hope the Commanders will use common sense in how they configure this helmet for the mission. Reminds me of the Marine in "Generation Kill" who lost his Kevlar and scrounged a motorcycle helmet.
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Incidentally, if you haven't seen the HBO mini-series "Generation Kill" you are missing out.
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Incidentally, if you haven't seen the HBO mini-series "Generation Kill" you are missing out.
The book is fantastic, too. And to show how long it's been since 2003... The Marine Division ommander constantly referenced in Comms and discussion "Chaos" was none other than our SecDef... James "Chaos" Mattis. IIRC, Mattis was interviewed for the book by the Rolling Stone reporter who did an amazing job of writing about the group of recon Marines he accompanied as an embedded reporter.
Cheers,
Sirhr
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I certainly won't argue with those far more experienced than me at dodging bullets. I'm not military, so I have no experience in that realm.
That said, I do have experience in wearing helmets and full face masks in a life/death situation. My mask actually seals to my face and provides me with fresh breathing air. I don't have any problems with peripheral vision, in fact, the only place I can see the rubber of the mask is where it comes up over my nose and the heads up display down by my cheek. I will definitely agree that the helmet above would be a hot SOB to wear long term, especially in the desert. I guess what I'm saying is, back in the 80's when SCBA packs first entered the fire service, we heard the same complaints of reduced situational awareness, it's hot and heavy, it's going to get men killed because it slows them down etc etc. In today's fire service, if you see a man entering a firefight without it, he's looked at as an idiot and will likely be suffering from cancer in a few years.
I guess each job in the military would have a different need in a helmet, like others mentioned.
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I cooked some of the best crawfish I ever had in my helmet, my thoughts exactly.
