New video is up comparing the sound of the Sandman-S and Nomad-LT on a 14.5" 5.56 NATO.
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The videos don't really do them justice, because I don't have professional sound equipment and all that stuff, nor can I afford it, I'm just doing these videos mostly for fun and entertainment, and not to be scientific (I'm only pointing that out because in another thread people were saying "get this" or "get that" or "get a B&K meter"...etc...). I was like, dude...I'm not not made of money. Pretty broke actually... LOLSo I know the video sound is nothing like being behind the rifle. What are your thoughts between the two on that particular weapon system? I have a Sandman-S still in jail, but hopefully soon in my possession. I originally bought it for my 300BLK, but since then I’ve built a few AR’s, including a 14.5” mid-length gas rifle that I went ahead and put the key-mo flash hider on. I hate to wait another year for the nomad. Just curious because to my bad hearing, the two sounded quite similar in your video. Thanks, and nice looking jeep!
Best time to start your paperwork was yesterday... Yesterday is always the answer to that one. LOLThanks for the info. I guess I’ll look into the Nomad a little more while I wait for my Sandman to get approved.
Thanks for the info. I guess I’ll look into the Nomad a little more while I wait for my Sandman to get approved.
Anyone else out there with a Nomad-L or LT and done any testing comparing them to the Sandman cans? Just curious to hear yall's thoughts as well.
Back in October last year, I won a contest on Instagram with Dead Air, where I won a free suppressor cover of my choice. Well, at that time, I didn't own any suppressors. So I chose one for the Nomad-30/Nomad-Ti...becasue I was planning on getting a Nomad-30 for my first .30 cal suppressor. Then, in December, they dropped the Nomad-LT, and I ended up getting it, instead. So, now I have a $100+ suppressor cover that won't fit anything I have. So, I think my next can will be a Nomad-30 to run on my 6.5 Grendel and 14.5" 5.56, and use my regular (black) Sandman-S on my 7.5" 5.56 pistol. My Mil-Contract (FDE) Sandman-S will reside on my .300 BLK because it matches, and for some reason that barrel really prefers the weight of that can for accuracy and groups...So, that's its home. The Nomad-LT will just be swapped-around on the bolt-actions and hunting rifles because it's lightweight and really quiet.I have a Nomad and Nomad L. Both are quieter than their Sandman counterparts.
The Nomad L is much quieter than the Sandman L. Honestly the Sandman L should be phased out at this point. Thing is stupid heavy and basically sounds like a Nomad 30. Actually on semi autos the Nomad 30 sounds a bit more pleasant with less back pressure imo.
Back in October last year, I won a contest on Instagram with Dead Air, where I won a free suppressor cover of my choice. Well, at that time, I didn't own any suppressors. So I chose one for the Nomad-30/Nomad-Ti...becasue I was planning on getting a Nomad-30 for my first .30 cal suppressor. Then, in December, they dropped the Nomad-LT, and I ended up getting it, instead. So, now I have a $100+ suppressor cover that won't fit anything I have. So, I think my next can will be a Nomad-30 to run on my 6.5 Grendel and 14.5" 5.56, and use my regular (black) Sandman-S on my 7.5" 5.56 pistol. My Mil-Contract (FDE) Sandman-S will reside on my .300 BLK because it matches, and for some reason that barrel really prefers the weight of that can for accuracy and groups...So, that's its home. The Nomad-LT will just be swapped-around on the bolt-actions and hunting rifles because it's lightweight and really quiet.
Nope, only 1 9mm pistol, and that's because when I converted it, 9mm was cheap and everywhere. It was originally a Glock 31C .357 Sig. But good luck finding ammo for it at decent prices. Ironically, when SHTF on ammo last year, I could still find .357 Sig plinking ammo for about $0.70 a round when 9mm was pushing $1.15 each. So I stocked-up pretty good on .357 Sig. Then during all the crap, I found a half-case (500) of Federal 9mm 147 Subs for $249, and bought it. Haven't even shot any pistols lately other than my .22LR converted 1911.The Nomad has more back pressure than the Sandman S but if you can adjust for it the Nomad sounds better to me. It's not crazy or excessive but there is more. The Nomad Ti is quieter on 300 blk than the Nomad 30.
If you have any 9mm stuff the Wolfman also sounds fantastic on 300 blk. Better than the Nomad 30 but not as good as the L.
Sorry, got distracted watching football, but yeah, I agree, the Sandman-L is kind of "outdated" these days, especially with the Nomad-L being F/A rated and no minimum barrel length restrictions, but still weighing LESS than, and having more suppression and internal volume, than the SM-L... But, I guess some folks might still be into that niche' market.The Nomad has more back pressure than the Sandman S but if you can adjust for it the Nomad sounds better to me. It's not crazy or excessive but there is more. The Nomad Ti is quieter on 300 blk than the Nomad 30.
If you have any 9mm stuff the Wolfman also sounds fantastic on 300 blk. Better than the Nomad 30 but not as good as the L.
Does anyone else think a 1.375x24 threaded Sandman-Ti for $699 would be a good idea? Thoughts?
I'm seeing Nomad-Ti for $999 and Nomad-LT for $1099... That $300-400 difference would cover a stamp, trust, and local taxes... I will agree 100% that the Nomad-Ti and Nomad-LT are better in literally every way, but saving $300-400 over those 2 options is pretty significant for folks who are just getting into the NFA game.Tbh no, it's longer, heavier and has more back pressure than the Nomad Ti while offering no suppression benefits. The Nomad Ti will be better on basically everything.
I'm a firm believer of buy once cry once. Just save up for a couple more weeks/months. I mean you can already find the Nomad Ti for $800-900 on gunbroker. There is no way I'd make a compromise for even a $200 price difference and that 9 months of waiting. You need yhm prices for that imo.
I would be much more interested in direct taper mount thread Sandman. Lower profile brake/flash hider than the Xeno(it's too long and still too heavy compared to competitors) . You could have Sandman-S like performance in a <6" can with substantial weight reduction. But I'd like to see the Sandman get a refresh with coaxial baffles and larger diameter. Maybe 1.625-1.725 whatever they feel optimizes it.
I'm seeing Nomad-Ti for $999 and Nomad-LT for $1099... That $300-400 difference would cover a stamp, trust, and local taxes... I will agree 100% that the Nomad-Ti and Nomad-LT are better in literally every way, but saving $300-400 over those 2 options is pretty significant for folks who are just getting into the NFA game.
So, what if they dropped the price to $599 and included just the 5/8x24 DT mount, but still threaded the back 1.375x24 for mounting options? That would be YHM R20 prices, and would be a good starter can...https://www.gunbroker.com/item/903877676
$839, free shipping, A+ seller with 2400 feedback.
I've seen them for less. Also if you call around local gun shops you might find an sot that would do a cost from rsr + $50 ish cash purchase. I've bought many suppressors that way.
So, what if they dropped the price to $599 and included just the 5/8x24 DT mount, but still threaded the back 1.375x24 for mounting options? That would be YHM R20 prices, and would be a good starter can...
I think you just described the Energetic Vox-S. Add a taper mount adapter from Ecco Machine or Liberty Precision and you’re in business.I would be much more interested in direct taper mount thread Sandman. You could have Sandman-S like performance in a <6" can with substantial weight reduction.
So, what if they dropped the price to $599 and included just the 5/8x24 DT mount, but still threaded the back 1.375x24 for mounting options? That would be YHM R20 prices, and would be a good starter can...
I think you just described the Energetic Vox-S. Add a taper mount adapter from Ecco Machine or Liberty Precision and you’re in business.
I agree completely, just saying that newbies are going to see 3 digit totals vs. 4 digit totals, and be more likely to purchase the cheaper option for the first time, until they learn more about cans, and why some of them are worth more than others. I've noticed (not just with guns and suppressors, but everything), it seems like people subconsciously get turned-off when they see 4-digit numbers in front of them, compared to smaller numbers. For example, people see $9.99 instead of $10.00 and they think it's a better deal. They see their OTD total being $900 vs. $1,000, and subconsciously they are more likely to swipe that card for $900 vs. $1,000.My biggest thing is that I'd rather end up with or recommend a suppressor that is more versatile and better everywhere. I know many people that have regretful suppressor purchases, myself included. So a starter can that might end up just not being used much in the future just doesn't appeal to me to recommend or own. You're already spending 6-800 plus a long wait and a tax stamp. I just think it's better to save up and get something great that will remain great on a multitude of hosts.
Yes, we see it this way, but you know that newbs don't... Because they don't understand why things cost what they do... I'm saying look at it from their standpoint. I think it is a good entry-level Ti can...If suppressors didn't require a $200 tax stamp and a wait of 6-8 months, then sure, maybe I'm shopping to hit a price point. And if my aunt had nuts, she'd be my uncle.
Considering the overall expense of this activity (like making a four-figure investment in muzzle devices), a few hundred extra to get the optimum suppressor is a no-brainer.
Maybe someone should make a video app that also includes a decibel meter on the screen (where you can move it around where you want it on the screen), so while you're recording, you can see the peaks, and decibel averages while shooting. That would be really cool.I learned years ago when working on Longbow/Recurve silencing projects that there was a time when the audio of smartphone videos was somewhat representative of actual differences when comparing loudness but that time has long since passed because now?...(and for many years back)...the audio part of smartphone video is operating from enhanced software that both amplifies low decibel sounds while suppressing loud decibel sounds so the only real way to demonstrate differences in volume via a smartphone vid?...is to incorporate a "Decimeter" so folks can see the difference decibel wise because for years now they can not "Hear" the true difference over smartphone vids.
Shop the app store...you never know what software engineers might have put out recently....I'm pretty sure they already offer up decimeter apps so if ya have access to two smartphones?...you got it covered.Maybe someone should make a video app that also includes a decibel meter on the screen (where you can move it around where you want it on the screen), so while you're recording, you can see the peaks, and decibel averages while shooting. That would be really cool.
Just a heads-up, a decimeter is not the proper name for it. A decimeter is a unit of length measurement. Proper names for it are (SPL) Sound Pressure Level meter, Sound Level meter, Decibel (dB) meter, Noise meter or Noise dosimeter.Shop the app store...you never know what software engineers might have put out recently....I'm pretty sure they already offer up decimeter apps so if ya have access to two smartphones?...you got it covered.
Thanks, will do.The dynamic range of even suppressed gunshots is so wide that you don’t want to attempt to record without some clipping / limiting to bring it up to a level that will be useful. I use 32 bit audio recorders for work because of this (video games these days). Some of the consumer stuff is higher quality, such as the Rode iPhone mic setup. Depends on how much you want to spend on it.
The way humans and microphones and electronics hear stuff is really different, when going for subjectively pleasing sounds anyway.
If you want some more professional audio recording stuff, pm me and I can help you choose.
I have not tried either. Wish I could help. I never bought them as I saw them as “gimmicky” (my opinion). Wipes only work with FMJ’s, and with that can, I pretty much only use JHP bullets. And the EBrake… Well, I figured the Nomad-LT was already long enough.Fuhq, congrats on the new Sandman!
Hey, have you ever tried the E-Brake or the wiped endcap for your Nomad LT? I'm curious if either of those are really effective in lowering the sound signature even more...
That old can must have been made by Kevin Brittingham (AAC & Q) if it’s that loud…Fair enough. I was thinking of getting the wipe cap and using that with some subsonic coated or plated 30 cal bullets. I bought a piece of crap 308 can 23 years ago that is so hearing un-safe it's not even funny. It left such a sour taste in my mouth that I'm just NOW getting a new 308 can. I want ultimate suppression, so I opted for the Nomad L and I'm already thinking about making it quieter even though it's in jail.
I wouldn’t mind trying the wipe cap on one of my Sandman-S cans, as those typically only get shot with FMJ/TMJ and plated bullets.BTW, you're obviously a Dead Air fan. You KNOW you want to try the gimmicks....
That sounds impressively bad…Hahaha. The guy that made my old can makes Brittingham look like Einstein and Charles Barkley rolled in one. I was young and gullible back then.
How would something on the front of the suppressor...after all the gas has travelled through every baffle and out the end of the full suppressor...Help with reducing back pressure in the can?Maybe I can help a little, as I added an E-brake to my Dead Air Sandman S. I haven't really paid attention to what effect it has on sound signature. For me the benefits are that it seems to make recoil super flat. Staying on target for follow up shots is ridiculously easy. And it also seems to reduce back pressure - which is an issue for me since I shoot lefty.
Additional weight and length seem to be non-issues. I generally run the suppressor on my 10.5" and 11.5" uppers and they just balance really nicely.