Rifle Scopes New for 2023 Optics

[nrspence]

I literally just got it so verdict still out for a while. But initial impressions show promise.

The more I research on that 3-18x56 T6xi the more I think that will be my next scope. Expert voice has great deals on steiner optics.

 

[ColdAsIce33]

It’s made in china. There’s your reason.

I called US Optics this week and directly inquired about their glass origin/where the scope is made. They replied the glass for this scope is sourced from both China and Japan for different lenses, ocular and objective, but the scope is 100% manufactured, tested, and QC checked in NC since 2019. USO rep told me it was a common misconception that they were made in China. Honestly, I could care less as long as the company itself is US and the product is quality. I believe the majority, if not all, of companies source from outside the US. After reading multiple positive reviews and watching Ilya's review of the TS-12x (he seemed to like it), still looking for an actual technical reason not to buy.

 

[ChrisAU]

I called US Optics this week and directly inquired about their glass origin/where the scope is made. They replied the glass for this scope is sourced from both China and Japan for different lenses, ocular and objective, but the scope is 100% manufactured, tested, and QC checked in NC since 2019. USO rep told me it was a common misconception that they were made in China. Honestly, I could care less as long as the company itself is US and the product is quality. I believe the majority, if not all, of companies source from outside the US. After reading multiple positive reviews and watching Ilya's review of the TS-12x (he seemed to like it), still looking for an actual technical reason not to buy.

Look up the Vector Optics 3-12x44. Same scope from same Chinese factory. There’s a reason you can get one new for $350, and it ain’t because it’s a FFP MIL short light Made in America with Asian glass scope. Straight up lie. Get one and look at the sticker on the bottom of it.

 

[steve123]

Regarding the MPVO discussion, any considerations/opinions for the US Optics TS-12x?
3-12x44mm, 30mm tube, 18oz, super short 9.6 in, MHR Mil reticle in FFP (although no illumination), parallax 10yds-inf, locking turrets, most reviews claim decent-good glass, and only $595.00 list price.
It seems to tick all the boxes and from a great company in NC USA! I am trying to find a reason not to buy this scope.

Edit - I could be wrong but I think it's basically the same scope as this one. https://airgunopticsplus.com/collec...focal-plane-illuminated-reticle-with-sunshade
Too short a scope for the mag range brings optical compromises - just sayin.
I've read that some people that have owned both these very similar scopes decided they would save the extra money and purchase the scope in this link instead.
I haven't owned either of them but I know for sure the Athlon Helos G2 2-12x42 is a great scope in pretty much every way. Few times have I been so satisfied with a scope for the money.

 

[ColdAsIce33]

Thank you for the info. Good to know about the Helos G2 definitely interested and will research some more. The hunt continues for a good MPVO.

 

[RFutch]

My favorite 3-15s right now are the Razor LHT and the Gen2 PST.

 

[FuhQ]

Well, looks like @Primary Arms has dropped another hot potato! I hope they offer it in a 5x version! If so, I have some old 3x Vortex Spitifres that are going to be getting sold! I know this won't be an optic for everyone, but I for one really like the concept! Plus, the fact it's MIL means you can put it on whatever and not have to adapt the BDC to whatever you're shooting.

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[PBWalsh]

Well, looks like @Primary Arms has dropped another hot potato! I hope they offer it in a 5x version! If so, I have some old 3x Vortex Spitifres that are going to be getting sold! I know this won't be an optic for everyone, but I for one really like the concept! Plus, the fact it's MIL means you can put it on whatever and not have to adapt the BDC to whatever you're shooting.

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DetailsThis Primary Arms MicroPrism is part of the SLx optics line. SLx optics have built a reputation for innovation, reliability, and value. All SLx optics undergo rigorous field-testing during development to best serve you in any environment.The SLx 3x MicroPrism is an all-new advanced...

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Definitely interested in the 5x version. Kinda think the 3x would be hard to see usable Mil hashes.

 

[bobke]

Wouldn’t call the 3x Prism a precision optic, but is very useable/repeatable to past 300yds, and have had it to 500 on steel with a 6.5 Grendel. But that’s not its real venue-my setup is light and for quick shots while walking around the ranch, without an optical or weight penalty. Am also waiting for the 5x to appear.

 

[Brother's Keeper]

I just purchased an Arken and it is a lot better than I thought it would be. If there is anyone on the fence I would recommend it, especially for the price. I have the Gen2 5-25x.

 

[TheOtherAndrew]

@Glassaholic how are the new turrets on March with the shirken stuff? Im weighing getting a March 4.5-28

other than 'parallax forgiveness (ZCO/TT seem to be in own league)' would you put that up against the 527 ZCO? Read an article where March came close to a TT (in their opinion) except for blurring at edges on the March (due to super wide FOV/short overall length/high erector ratio). Not much info by way of turrets and feel versus xyz.... I just like the idea of a 10mil rev set up, my ZCO turrets (15mil per) is pushing the edge of too close between clicks for me.

Another thing Im wondering about is the '0set.' My only real question is can I set it like a NF turret to 5.0mil (1/2rev) below actually 100yd zero and 0.0 on turret?

 

[4O6shootist]

@Glassaholic how are the new turrets on March with the shirken stuff? Im weighing getting a March 4.5-28

other than 'parallax forgiveness (ZCO/TT seem to be in own league)' would you put that up against the 527 ZCO? Read an article where March came close to a TT (in their opinion) except for blurring at edges on the March (due to super wide FOV/short overall length/high erector ratio). Not much info by way of turrets and feel versus xyz.... I just like the idea of a 10mil rev set up, my ZCO turrets (15mil per) is pushing the edge of too close between clicks for me.

Another thing Im wondering about is the '0set.' My only real question is can I set it like a NF turret to 5.0mil (1/2rev) below actually 100yd zero and 0.0 on turret?

I wouldn't put my 4.5-28 up against my zco 5-27 or 4-20. It's not there full package wise.

 

[stanley_white]

I wouldn't put my 4.5-28 up against my zco 5-27 or 4-20. It's not there full package wise.

I would love to hear your assessment of what is lacking.

-Stan

 

[4O6shootist]

I would love to hear your assessment of what is lacking.

-Stan

Depth of field and eye relief mainly. I don't think the resolution is quite on same level either. Everything else is comparable.

 

[TheOtherAndrew]

DoF on par or better than - like a razor G2 (haven't looked thru a G3), or a Leup Mk5 3.6-18?

Niche Im trying to fill is a ~5-18x (or more either direction), ultra short (<13"), scope for thermal - to more easily reach thermal focus ring Easy answer is 420ZCO but the ocular on ZCO won't fit a TriggerCam (or so Ive read) so also needs a sub ~48mm ocular.

Im going to have to 'compromise' somewhere it seems....
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Maybe just save some $$ and grow arm extensions lol?

 

[4O6shootist]

DoF on par or better than - like a razor G2 (haven't looked thru a G3), or a Leup Mk5 3.6-18?

Niche Im trying to fill is a ~5-18x (or more either direction), ultra short (<13"), scope for thermal - to more easily reach thermal focus ring Easy answer is 420ZCO but the ocular on ZCO won't fit a TriggerCam (or so Ive read) so also needs a sub ~48mm ocular.

Im going to have to 'compromise' somewhere it seems....
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Maybe just save some $$ and grow arm extensions lol?

Take a look at 3-18 t6xi, or even a new 2.5-20 nx8. I demo'd an early 2.5-20 and the one I acquired last summer is 100X better. I feel IQ on the 3.6-18 mk5 isnt in same league as the previous, but it's the lightest too.

 

[Glassaholic]

@Glassaholic how are the new turrets on March with the shirken stuff? Im weighing getting a March 4.5-28

other than 'parallax forgiveness (ZCO/TT seem to be in own league)' would you put that up against the 527 ZCO? Read an article where March came close to a TT (in their opinion) except for blurring at edges on the March (due to super wide FOV/short overall length/high erector ratio). Not much info by way of turrets and feel versus xyz.... I just like the idea of a 10mil rev set up, my ZCO turrets (15mil per) is pushing the edge of too close between clicks for me.

Another thing Im wondering about is the '0set.' My only real question is can I set it like a NF turret to 5.0mil (1/2rev) below actually 100yd zero and 0.0 on turret?

Shuriken lock turrets are best March has put out, I would put them in the same sentence as Schmidt DT II+ and TT, yes, I think they are that good. Distinct solid, tactile clicks with excellent spacing and very little play, locking mechanism is outstanding.

Zero set is better than previous March but not like TT, you can set it wherever you want but it is pressure set and with enough force can be moved beyond the set position. NF, Schmidt, TT and others use an actual stop mechanism that prohibits further travel regardless of force.

 

[Glassaholic]

I wouldn't put my 4.5-28 up against my zco 5-27 or 4-20. It's not there full package wise.

If someone is looking for pure optical performance I would recommend ZCO and TT above March. But March didn’t design this scope to compete at this level, they designed the scope to cover the magnification range of a 4-20 and 5-27 combined in a short package that could be more easily used with clip ons. For me personally I’m willing to give up a little optical performance for these features and I also prefer the FML-TR1 reticle over everything ZCO offers and about on par with Gen3 XR from TT. I loved both my 4-20 and 5-27’s I’ve had but not a fan of the reticles always brought me back to the March. Minox ZP5 and TT is the best glass experience I’ve had behind a scope, but with TT massive size and defense budget needed for purchase wouldn’t allow me to justify them long term, ZP5 is the best bang for the buck, but at the cost of warranty work in Germany and some QC issues, I do wish I would have kept at least one of my ZP5’s.

Of course this is all subjective based on my personal needs so take it with a grain of salt.

 

[CBDR]

Shuriken lock turrets are best March has put out, I would put them in the same sentence as Schmidt DT II+ and TT, yes, I think they are that good. Distinct solid, tactile clicks with excellent spacing and very little play, locking mechanism is outstanding.

Zero set is better than previous March but not like TT, you can set it wherever you want but it is pressure set and with enough force can be moved beyond the set position. NF, Schmidt, TT and others use an actual stop mechanism that prohibits further travel regardless of force.

Good to know.
Tks
R/
CBDR

 

[penguinofsleep]

Bit of a necro bump, but does anyone know if Minox or ZCO are going to do 10 or 12 mil/rev on their 5-25 ZP5 or 420/527 anytime within the next 1-2 years?

 

[CSTactical]

Bit of a necro bump, but does anyone know if Minox or ZCO are going to do 10 or 12 mil/rev on their 5-25 ZP5 or 420/527 anytime within the next 1-2 years?

ZCO does have an option for 10MIL turrets on the ZC527 now

Zero Compromise Optic 2023 ZC527 MPCT2X and 10 MIL Turrets

05/19/23: 10 MIL and MPCT2X are starting to ship! Get in line for the pre-order here!!! 05/08/23: And the first ZC527 10MIL NLE have arrived!!! Extremely impressed with this option with it's wider spacing and heavier clicks. I personally picked the ZC527 10MIL NLE with the MPCT2X to compare...

www.snipershide.com

 

[penguinofsleep]

doh.... meant to type minox and tt 525 and 735... not zc

 

[TheOtherAndrew]

ZCO does have an option for 10MIL turrets on the ZC527 now

Zero Compromise Optic 2023 ZC527 MPCT2X and 10 MIL Turrets

05/19/23: 10 MIL and MPCT2X are starting to ship! Get in line for the pre-order here!!! 05/08/23: And the first ZC527 10MIL NLE have arrived!!! Extremely impressed with this option with it's wider spacing and heavier clicks. I personally picked the ZC527 10MIL NLE with the MPCT2X to compare...

www.snipershide.com

420 with 10 mil?