New GAP Extreme Hunter in 6.5 SAUM
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Went to the range today and I have to say I'm still on cloud nine after shooting my 6.5 4S. I followed the break in instructions and after only 6 rounds fired I notice a lot less copper. Fired a few more and cleaning was very easy. Was well worth the time to do this.
I put a Jewell trigger in it this afternoon.
Heading to the ranch tomorrow to get serious. I'm able to shoot steel out to 1000 yds. The rifle is amazing, weight and balance is perfect. Looking forward to tomorrow!
I put a Jewell trigger in it this afternoon.
Heading to the ranch tomorrow to get serious. I'm able to shoot steel out to 1000 yds. The rifle is amazing, weight and balance is perfect. Looking forward to tomorrow!
When I heard about this project....my first question was, is the windage turret going to lock? Thank you for putting a cap on it, Pat and I have had many a conversation about what a long range hunting scope needs to be, that feature always seems to come up. I honestly think that you guys hit a home run on this scope and I can't wait to get my hands on one.......or two. I probably use 10-12 power when I'm hunting the most, so personally I think it's plenty of magnification. I have a feeling that this scope is going to sell really well!
Talley LW are all i've ever used on my hunting rifles, never had one fail or even hear of one failing here in Australia. What fails on them? You're not gorillaing the screws are you?
yeah i would run that on a SPR 18.5" 5.56 gun all day long or a 16-18' 308 gun in a heartbeat, might have to hit up tom to get on the list.
Agree with above. Have VX-6 4-24. Would be very interested in Bushnell. I struggled with reticle choice, love the magnification range and light weight.
New Reticle looks very intriguing, especially in a light weight package. Only reason I haven't bought a Bushnell before is weight. I already have multiple 2 lb or more tactical scopes. Also have Swaro, March for same reason, i.e., wanted a large magnification range, low light performance, in a light weight package.
Headed to Utah Sunday for Mule Deer with my March 2.5-25 x 42.
Both of my failures were split ring caps. I use a torque wrench at 18 in/lbs. One pair was lapped, can't remember about the other. I do not know of the incident that broke them, just looked and they were split. Talley Ring Failure
Just read through all the pages and what a set up!!! Looks like I will be saving up for this as this gun will be the ultimate coues whitetail gun for our country here in Arizona. By once, cry once, right?????
This scope has been needed for a long time. Major hole in the market. I have been trying to find something just like this for a long time. This is going to sell like crack.
Its a 3x12 power
Center is .06 mil thick all the way to the center.
Its a Hunting scope through and through. Defiantly not for 100 yard paper punching.
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That was my feeling when we started the project. Pat and I were always saying there are so many scopes that are right there so close but miss the mark somewhere. The plan all along was to get the combo right on this one. Should turn into a line of products in the next few years with Higher Mag versions Etc.
Ive never heard of the Talley LW breaking till the post above, Ill keep an eye on them, Ive run them for several years without issue. Pat has been running them for a while as well without problems. Flip Side would be heavy steel setups which are super strong but add alot of weight???
Absolutely agreed. I think this will turn into more than one product line, because other manufacturers are going to be forced to follow suit. There are vital functional advantages all over the place on this rig - the chambering, the rifle, and now the scope.
George, am I seeing things or is the action on that green rifle built with a smaller ejection port? Looks like it has more "meat" on the top making it a stiffer action. True? Or do I need to get my eyes checked?
Ran them on many platforms as we'll for lots of years, one inch and 30mm... Never a failure
Ranger, that is more of the tactical action, our X hunters have more of a cut to them, actually called a Hunter action I think
That green rifle is not an Xtreme Hunter, its a Custom built rifle on a Standard Templar Action, not the Hunter port action and its in a Manners EH-1 stock.
Seeing as how company like Nikon is pushing their ridiculous circle BDC reticle and "spot on advantage" for a hunting scope, Bushnell will wipe the floor with them if they come on scene with a truly useable precision rifle hunting optic...
As it goes right now, I think the Premier Lite Tac is the closest thing to "ideal" for a mid weight LR hunting rig, but it is cost prohibitive for many. The new NXS looks sweet, but it's SFP and not much cheaper than a Lite Tac, which offers more zoom, better glass and FFP. Their $2K price point keeps the door wide open for Bushy to bring a mid priced FFP offering to the table. Keep the price within reason of the Vortex FFPs and SWFA 3-15, and this new Bushy will be a huge hit...
I dig the reticle, 4x zoom range, covered windage turret and <50mm objective. Will sit nice on a medium contour tube, keep weight down but still allow enough exit pupil to use the mag range available. With crispy turrets and Bushy's nice Rainguard coated glass, I'd be squarely in the target market to upgrade a few Elite 6500s on hunting sticks to this new FFP mil based scope.
Look forward to seeing more!
As it goes right now, I think the Premier Lite Tac is the closest thing to "ideal" for a mid weight LR hunting rig, but it is cost prohibitive for many. The new NXS looks sweet, but it's SFP and not much cheaper than a Lite Tac, which offers more zoom, better glass and FFP. Their $2K price point keeps the door wide open for Bushy to bring a mid priced FFP offering to the table. Keep the price within reason of the Vortex FFPs and SWFA 3-15, and this new Bushy will be a huge hit...
I dig the reticle, 4x zoom range, covered windage turret and <50mm objective. Will sit nice on a medium contour tube, keep weight down but still allow enough exit pupil to use the mag range available. With crispy turrets and Bushy's nice Rainguard coated glass, I'd be squarely in the target market to upgrade a few Elite 6500s on hunting sticks to this new FFP mil based scope.
Look forward to seeing more!
Please do George...I need a FFP scope that is mil/mil. Really like the features as you described them and it looks like the price might fit as well.
George,
What's up and how's things? Well,I hope.
Interesting delve into Killing Glass and a most welcomed venture. Competition is GREAT for the Consumer. Nice to see the fucking beer tab turret "lock" brainfart the Salad Eaters had in vogue,go away and to have folks who actually shoot,put thunks to paper and apply same. Refreshing,from all angles.
Couple things,quickly and from the hip(UFC Fight Night). It'd be nice to see an ocular adjustment(diopter),that wasn't of the quick twist variety. Those fucking things love to suck moisture and move around and compromise the fit of BC lens caps. Tough to beat Reupold and Nightfarce there. I reckon reticles are a personal thing,but due my Play Ground affording a great diversity in relative cover,from step to step...I'd like to see the Death Donut go the way of the Dodo. Clutter does no favors for either ease or speed of acquisition and it is probably tempting to throw more shit on the windshield,than that which is requisite. Less is just soooooo very often more,especially as pertaining to reticles. The busy holdunder stadia clutter could go away for me too,as I couldn't concoct a scenario in which I'd apply it,given the latitude of the holdover stadia's values. I'm not going to dump X's and subtend up close. Lesser horizontal plane tick marks,would do more for me. I like the spacing,but not the sizing and would skin same back...again to circumvent clutter. Like cut 'em in half as to relative sizing,retaining their placement/value.
As the sort who much prefers to Deal Death from crosshair intersection,as opposed to subtension,I'd be curious to hear total ele erector travel? Sounds like there's book ends both at zero and at a single revolution(10Mils)? Do the turrets require total removal and relocation on a spline,to orient to a given zero,or do you crack the fasteners and lift a smidge and then relocate?
Hoping it's not a 10Mil or bust scene.
Simply curious and wishing you boys well on the venture and hope it sells like hotcakes for you.
As an aside,I've failed a coupla sets of LW's...but in fairness I break lots of shit.(grin) Typically,they pop in the cap region,though a pard just severed a base on a Caribou Hunt. I'm not dissing the system,as I've a few dozen in service and am hip on the notion in general. On a rifle that isn't fighting calories to be a wisp,I'd likely go to a 2pc steel mount and drive 30mm PRW's,mainly because they are tougher than fuck and mount low. On a concentric receiver,Plain Jane DD's are a sure bet and I've never failed that mount and have run 'em hard for decades. I'd hang pics,but the Whiners would start Whining.(grin)
Best.
What's up and how's things? Well,I hope.
Interesting delve into Killing Glass and a most welcomed venture. Competition is GREAT for the Consumer. Nice to see the fucking beer tab turret "lock" brainfart the Salad Eaters had in vogue,go away and to have folks who actually shoot,put thunks to paper and apply same. Refreshing,from all angles.
Couple things,quickly and from the hip(UFC Fight Night). It'd be nice to see an ocular adjustment(diopter),that wasn't of the quick twist variety. Those fucking things love to suck moisture and move around and compromise the fit of BC lens caps. Tough to beat Reupold and Nightfarce there. I reckon reticles are a personal thing,but due my Play Ground affording a great diversity in relative cover,from step to step...I'd like to see the Death Donut go the way of the Dodo. Clutter does no favors for either ease or speed of acquisition and it is probably tempting to throw more shit on the windshield,than that which is requisite. Less is just soooooo very often more,especially as pertaining to reticles. The busy holdunder stadia clutter could go away for me too,as I couldn't concoct a scenario in which I'd apply it,given the latitude of the holdover stadia's values. I'm not going to dump X's and subtend up close. Lesser horizontal plane tick marks,would do more for me. I like the spacing,but not the sizing and would skin same back...again to circumvent clutter. Like cut 'em in half as to relative sizing,retaining their placement/value.
As the sort who much prefers to Deal Death from crosshair intersection,as opposed to subtension,I'd be curious to hear total ele erector travel? Sounds like there's book ends both at zero and at a single revolution(10Mils)? Do the turrets require total removal and relocation on a spline,to orient to a given zero,or do you crack the fasteners and lift a smidge and then relocate?
Hoping it's not a 10Mil or bust scene.
Simply curious and wishing you boys well on the venture and hope it sells like hotcakes for you.
As an aside,I've failed a coupla sets of LW's...but in fairness I break lots of shit.(grin) Typically,they pop in the cap region,though a pard just severed a base on a Caribou Hunt. I'm not dissing the system,as I've a few dozen in service and am hip on the notion in general. On a rifle that isn't fighting calories to be a wisp,I'd likely go to a 2pc steel mount and drive 30mm PRW's,mainly because they are tougher than fuck and mount low. On a concentric receiver,Plain Jane DD's are a sure bet and I've never failed that mount and have run 'em hard for decades. I'd hang pics,but the Whiners would start Whining.(grin)
Best.
I have a Premier Hunter waiting to go on my 6.5 saum, but this new Bushy sounds interesting.
Just put one on my Extreme Hunter when it gets shipped to Indy in a couple months... I'll volunteer!
My one split ring cap. Sorry for the crappy cell phone pic. This was before I used a torque wrench so I'm guessing the screws were probably farmer tight...
I really love my vortex PST 2.5-10x32 FFP on my 300blk, that mag range is about perfect for a hunting rifle. The extra two power will be welcome for the longer shots, and I love the donut ring. Will help a lot for stalking with the mag cranked back. My 1-4PST has that donut and is very nice for fast target acquisition so all around I think this reticle is a win. I really like that the windage turret is capped but still useable. Ive never understood why scope companies are so set of exposed windage turrets. Everyone I know dials for elevation and holds for wind, wind is always changing, distance not so much if youre having to dial elevation theyre far enough away for time to crank the turret. The relatively narrow exit pupil of the vortex is its main downfall, with the larger objective on the new bushy that ought to help quite a bit. Id love to compare one to my PST and the 3-15SS Ive got coming but at the very least Id be in for a group buy.
Any comments as to what "level" of glass is going into this scope or conjecture on the street price?
Any comments as to what "level" of glass is going into this scope or conjecture on the street price?
Larry, Nice to see you on here again, Missed your colorful and educational posts
Thanks for the points, as I know they come from experience. On the ocular lock, its rapid for the simple fact that lots of guys wear glasses and they get fogged way more often in cold weather and when you are breathing hard. a can think of alot of times where my glasses were thrown from my face fast to make a quick shot. The ability to rapidly use the focus was to myself and others a must. The Reticle is the best part, I think if you tried one you would like it, I may be wrong because once your used to something and it sounds like you are, its hard to make a change from it when it works for you. The scope in design is a Long range scope, with the up close mods in the reticle for secondary use in up close and Oh Shit situations.
Total of 25 Mills of travel. The Scope if zero'ed on a 20 min base should yield you about 16-17 Mills of elevation. On a flat base or Talley LW setups 10-11 Mils is about what you will get. give or take a mil. There is a screw that can be set that limits the travel to 10 mils and keeps you on a single turn like the S&B singleturn knob.
not sure of the question, Its a ring with two limit stops that contact each other. loosen 3 set screws set the ring to the stops and tighten then place the cap back on at the zero point. I guess I could make a small Video to show it.
Have a 300wsm hunting build in the pipeline (just waiting on McM) and was almost dead set on a March for the features and the relatively light weight.
Don't need high power, 12x will get it done for me. Hoping the production Bushnell comes in at 22oz or less.
I've got time to contemplate and watch how this scope progresses. Excellent to see a manufacturer let hunters design a hunting scope. Well done Pat and George.
Don't need high power, 12x will get it done for me. Hoping the production Bushnell comes in at 22oz or less.
I've got time to contemplate and watch how this scope progresses. Excellent to see a manufacturer let hunters design a hunting scope. Well done Pat and George.
George,
Appreciate your time and I see where you are coming from. I guess I'm anti most everything "quick" that moves on an ocular,because it means it will eventually fog/fail due to moisture intrusion in my AO. Which reminds me,I've a Zeiss 15-45x Spotter eyepiece I need to get in the mail and get dried out.(grin) Most folks will never begin to ask or require nearly as much in regards to defeating inclement weather,but it's always amongst the first of my concerns and how most failures occur. I never could shoot or observe(bino's) with any kind of eyeglasses,so I drive my diopters in synch with my nekked vision. Parallax kicks my ass,when trying to use any sort of eyewear in conjunction with an aiming device that is magnified. Hell,I can't even run a camera with eyeglasses. There's NO way to keep eyeglasses dry in my AO,thus my penchant for static wares and well sealed flip-ups.
I can make due with alotta reticles(especially LR,when time is your friend),because when the dust settles,the middle is always the middle...but given a preference I tend to opt for simplicity in that avenue. I've long been convinced that the transition from a bold stadia to a lesser,aids in speed of acquisition,as it seems to have a subconscious "funnel" affect and harmoniously melds with motor functions. Rifle balance/handling and stock fit matter as much as anything,but there's some goody inherent in stadia thickness transitions,whether "square" or tapered.
Nice to hear that the erector ceiling is an end user option of sorts,if I'm understanding correctly. Meaning one can enact the stop at 10Mils of up and rock a single revolution,or instead,base all from a zero stop and eek all of the remaining ele travel upwards in excess of 10Mils. That flexibility would suit me,as I've yet to suffer a rifle that was "too accurate" or a scope that had "too much" internal adjustment...though I'd happily give both a try.(grin)
The World would be a much better place,if Bean Counters simply counted beans and took fucking notes. There's hope and you boys are marching in the right direction.
Appreciate the intel.
Appreciate your time and I see where you are coming from. I guess I'm anti most everything "quick" that moves on an ocular,because it means it will eventually fog/fail due to moisture intrusion in my AO. Which reminds me,I've a Zeiss 15-45x Spotter eyepiece I need to get in the mail and get dried out.(grin) Most folks will never begin to ask or require nearly as much in regards to defeating inclement weather,but it's always amongst the first of my concerns and how most failures occur. I never could shoot or observe(bino's) with any kind of eyeglasses,so I drive my diopters in synch with my nekked vision. Parallax kicks my ass,when trying to use any sort of eyewear in conjunction with an aiming device that is magnified. Hell,I can't even run a camera with eyeglasses. There's NO way to keep eyeglasses dry in my AO,thus my penchant for static wares and well sealed flip-ups.
I can make due with alotta reticles(especially LR,when time is your friend),because when the dust settles,the middle is always the middle...but given a preference I tend to opt for simplicity in that avenue. I've long been convinced that the transition from a bold stadia to a lesser,aids in speed of acquisition,as it seems to have a subconscious "funnel" affect and harmoniously melds with motor functions. Rifle balance/handling and stock fit matter as much as anything,but there's some goody inherent in stadia thickness transitions,whether "square" or tapered.
Nice to hear that the erector ceiling is an end user option of sorts,if I'm understanding correctly. Meaning one can enact the stop at 10Mils of up and rock a single revolution,or instead,base all from a zero stop and eek all of the remaining ele travel upwards in excess of 10Mils. That flexibility would suit me,as I've yet to suffer a rifle that was "too accurate" or a scope that had "too much" internal adjustment...though I'd happily give both a try.(grin)
The World would be a much better place,if Bean Counters simply counted beans and took fucking notes. There's hope and you boys are marching in the right direction.
Appreciate the intel.
George,
Is the center of the crosshair going to be thinner than the remainder of the reticle similar to how the G2 is setup? With the donut for closeup and dangerous situations I can sure see a benefit for having the main aim point on the thinner side for precise aiming. Reticles that are too thick is the biggest complaint SFP guys give for not trying out some of the new FFP scopes. Seems like this would be a good add here and would increase sales potentially as well. Can't really see a downside to it.
Also, what is the final power range? I saw 12-15 in your writeup as the goal but never heard where it ended up.
Thanks,
Scot
I think he said 3-12 somewhere on this thread.
Im really excited about this scope and the possibility of a tactical version.
Im really excited about this scope and the possibility of a tactical version.
It was mentioned the reticle subtends at .06 throughout which is a good compromise for a FFP hunting scope.
.05 wouldn't suck either which is what I am used to in the premier gen II mildot.
.06 is what a Hensoldt mildot subtends at and it is a bit thick for my taste over 12x BUT fine for hunting big game which this Bushy is designed for.
I may have to try one of these.
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George, working over my steel wolf target at 1030 yards with the 6.5 and new scope.
After boresighting, I put two shots on paper at 100Y to find the zero, then shot a .3" five shot group with it. The reticle is plenty fine for precision shooting.
Concerns,from the other side of the fence...from a coupla weeks ago,if only for conversation. Always nice to hurt George with salt in the wound,of screaming Chrome headed downstream pissed and mad anyhow.(grin)
As to reticles,most anything with a modest crosshair intersection,can be pressed into service in wide open spaces,when one is afforded the luxury of lotsa time. "Lotsa" being relative,as opposed to slapping movers slurking through the Jungle or buried in deep cover and but partially exposed and but a 1/4 of a step from totally disappearing.
Typical scene,replete with the 24/7 sopping wetness,which WILL find all weak links in any optic.
Thus the propensity to a less is more approach. Just thinking out loud.
As to reticles,most anything with a modest crosshair intersection,can be pressed into service in wide open spaces,when one is afforded the luxury of lotsa time. "Lotsa" being relative,as opposed to slapping movers slurking through the Jungle or buried in deep cover and but partially exposed and but a 1/4 of a step from totally disappearing.
Typical scene,replete with the 24/7 sopping wetness,which WILL find all weak links in any optic.
Thus the propensity to a less is more approach. Just thinking out loud.
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I know thin centers are great for punching paper and shooting small 4" pieces of steel at 600 yards but we are talking about a hunting scope. A through and through hunting scope to be put on a hunting rifle. the thin cross hairs are almost impossible to see in thick cover or on dark background. We already have tons of choices for target scopes there are many this is designed to be a hunting scope period. I would tell you its certainly not the pest choice for a target rifle.
I know thin centers are great for punching paper and shooting small 4" pieces of steel at 600 yards but we are talking about a hunting scope. A through and through hunting scope to be put on a hunting rifle. the thin cross hairs are almost impossible to see in thick cover or on dark background. We already have tons of choices for target scopes there are many this is designed to be a hunting scope period. I would tell you its certainly not the pest choice for a target rifle.
I must be in the minority, but my FFP reticle concerns usually center around the reticle being too fine for hunting, rather than too coarse. Even a .1 mill thin section wouldn't hurt my feelings any on a hunting scope, but with the bold circle that you guys have in there, a .1 mil thin section wouldn't be necessary. I like to dial range, so no hash marks on the vertical wire would be suit me, in the interest of simplicity.
All in all though, this is the best design I've seen yet for a long range hunting scope. Looking forward to shooting one.
John
All in all though, this is the best design I've seen yet for a long range hunting scope. Looking forward to shooting one.
John
How about the eyebox on this new Bushnell? The reason I ask is their 3-12x44 Tactical's eyebox was very disappointing, especially on 12x, reticle would blur out if my eye position wasn't just right. I didn't have any complaints at all with the eyebox on 3.5-21's.
I'm not too happy with SWFA's 3-15 eyebox either, a little better but not much. I still don't like the reticle even though I've tried to get used to it.
Lastly I've read of people complaining of Marches eyebox on their 3-24 but mine is fine even at 24X. Not that it's not a little tight but at least when I get a full FOV the reticle is focused despite eye position. Man I hate those huge mil line numbers on the FML1 which are 1 mil off to the right of the vertical of the reticle!!!
George and Pat, thanks for bringing common sense into modern scope and reticle design! Love the idea of the big numbers on the compact 10 mil elev knob -perfect! Bushnell, thanks for listening.
Oh, please tell Bushnell to put 10Y parallax on for those of us that want a really cool compact FFP scope on our 22's and air rifles.
When is the 1" tube version coming? smile
I'm not too happy with SWFA's 3-15 eyebox either, a little better but not much. I still don't like the reticle even though I've tried to get used to it.
Lastly I've read of people complaining of Marches eyebox on their 3-24 but mine is fine even at 24X. Not that it's not a little tight but at least when I get a full FOV the reticle is focused despite eye position. Man I hate those huge mil line numbers on the FML1 which are 1 mil off to the right of the vertical of the reticle!!!
George and Pat, thanks for bringing common sense into modern scope and reticle design! Love the idea of the big numbers on the compact 10 mil elev knob -perfect! Bushnell, thanks for listening.
Oh, please tell Bushnell to put 10Y parallax on for those of us that want a really cool compact FFP scope on our 22's and air rifles.
When is the 1" tube version coming? smile
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