Rifle Scopes New Leupold Reticle
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Hmm....appears as if the hashes are displaced like pixels...
hence the extra space/feeling of unobstructed view
Createing negative space where they left...
is this a new trick on display here?
I'm guessing you can probaly use the hash-gaps themselves for finer work if you trained.
edge of the negative could be 0.2, the droped pixel=hash=0.25, etc...
Interesting if they did it this way, presumably its on purpose
Here's a closer look...
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Not new. There’s a few reticles that do this.
Most any good idea has been exhausted (as far as being original) for reticles at this point. It’s basically become a game of mix and match features and hope it clicks well after the focus or test group had approved.
Its definitely pretty hard these days to come up with something new and original. There are so many good reticles out there.
This one is too open for me. It seems like every time I use the grid I'm holding off in space somewhere trying to line up the lines to the side, above or below. I like a little more detail personally. But as @Dthomas3523 pointed out, I think we make a lot of the grid reticle for competition, but rarely actually need them.
Reticles are a very personal thing. I'm sure a lot of people will like this one. I know Jon was pretty excited about it when I talked to him about it at my PRS match in May. This is definitely a great option for Leupold to add to their fold.
This one is too open for me. It seems like every time I use the grid I'm holding off in space somewhere trying to line up the lines to the side, above or below. I like a little more detail personally. But as @Dthomas3523 pointed out, I think we make a lot of the grid reticle for competition, but rarely actually need them.
Reticles are a very personal thing. I'm sure a lot of people will like this one. I know Jon was pretty excited about it when I talked to him about it at my PRS match in May. This is definitely a great option for Leupold to add to their fold.
.25 hashes make a lot of sense. It eliminates 20% of the clutter in a reticle. It also breaks down very fine. I would much prefer all reticles moved to .25 vs .2
Was notified leupold may not have been ready for pics to circulate just yet (I know, I know, if they were ok with people looking at it, they should assume pics will be taken and circulated).
So I pulled the posts with them for now. No one did anything wrong.
So I pulled the posts with them for now. No one did anything wrong.
I run and Mpct3 and love it. But I agree, we put a ton of value into the tree/grid we almost (there are exceptions and people that do) never use.
There were pictures in this thread that have since been removed.
It was basically just a CCH reticle with every second mil of tree removed.
Effectively making it a more open but less practical version of the CCH.
If you like the MK5hd and CCH or TMR reticles then I don’t think it's worth waiting for IMO.
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I see you saw what it looked like....
I got to look through one today @CSTactical and thought it was a great design. I will be ordering the 5-25 through them when they hit the streets. Shout out to Dan and Mike for being so nice.
I bet it was the one Dan uses on his comp gun.
No. I was just there picking up some stuff and Dan was nice enough to let me check his 5-25 out. I thought it was one of the better reticles I've seen. Minimalist and very usable imo. Can't wait to grab one.
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Can you scratch out on a napkin what you saw and share
I'd consider buying a 3.6-18 again if they had a better reticle!
Can you scratch out on a napkin what you saw and share
Haha. I think many people will be happy with it.
If they used the .25 mrad hash marks of the CCH for this new reticle they will have completely missed the mark for me, here's hoping they used .2 mrad.
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To be fair, if that is what it ends up being I am willing to hear arguments for why this is a better design vs. .2 mil. For most of us, our brains work on whole number halves, so with a .2 mil reticle it's easy to figure out where .1 mil is because it is half of .2 so our eyes can split the difference, but with .25, to find .1 is not the center in between but a fraction thereof which is more difficult to pinpoint accurately. I realize this may come down to the point of diminishing returns, at least for the ranges most of us shoot at (say 1400 yards and in) and will a wind hold of 2.1 vs 2.125 really cause us to miss a shot, I'd venture to say our ability to identify wind has a greater margin of error than does the difference of .025 mil, so in other words, if we think wind is 6mph but it is really 8mph (assuming it is constant from rifle to target) then that margin of error is certainly worse than .025. All that being said, why did Leupold make this choice (again, assuming that is what this new reticle will be), just to be different?
They need to get this thing out. I want to get a 3-18, but I may end up getting an XTRIII if they don't hurry up.
I’ve thought about it a lot.
It does lead to less clutter (1 less hash per mil).
For prs, the difference between .2 and .3 from a .025 hold isn’t going to be something most people will shoot. You can do absolutely fine with a reticle that only has .5 and 1 mil marks.
And a .1 is east to find as you can just do the same you did with the .2, hold between the two. Again, we are back to people not being able to shoot the .05 different off props.
I think it’s more of a “I’m use to .2 and .5, so this must be bad” line of thinking. As I thought this as well with the cch.
Then I challenged myself to come up with scenarios where I would miss with this reticle and not miss with a .2. Except for very small kyl targets, I cannot think of any.
I agree with your reasoning, however with .2 marks you have 4 hashes inside each mil and with the .25’s you have just 3. Ie makes it “less busy”. Also the .2’s have no .5 marks which is Usually slightly larger and “easy for the brain” for quick adjustments. My current scope is .2’s up to the first mil then goes to .25’s and I despise that it has both but either way prefer the .25’s for prs by a large margin.
Right, so much is a mental game. Like I mentioned in the scenario above, would that .025 difference really make a difference. I wish it was .2 but don’t think it’s the end of the world with .25. Like most reticles, we really need to see it and use it to truly understand the pros and cons.
Granted, I’m not running out and buying this reticle. But, I think it’s still very functional and a lot of guys will like it.
Ok, I'll just say it:
This thread is the biggest optics cock tease I've ever seen or heard of.
I'm a fan of Leupold, but Holy fuck, can we get some actual information, not just innuendo and conjecture?
There, I feel better now.
This thread is the biggest optics cock tease I've ever seen or heard of.
I'm a fan of Leupold, but Holy fuck, can we get some actual information, not just innuendo and conjecture?
There, I feel better now.
Its a cch with a normal looking tree. No conjecture, it’s pretty well done. Just waiting to see when it’s available. Similar to the Vibbert reticle in USO.
I wish they had the dimensions on their website, I would like to know the line thickness and dot size.
Yes. They have had it in the cch reticle for a while. It’s been well received.
You won’t shoot the difference in the game it’s designed for.
OMG! I am buying one also. Is this special pricing just for this weekend? This is a no brainer at that price.
amazing deal for sure. you can equip three rifles for a price of one of other brands. makes the decision easy.
Is the 'deal' you guys are talking about Black Friday or Military Discount?
Leupold website?
Thanks
Leupold website?
Thanks
Unfortunately I don't qualify.
But thank you all for your service if you do.
If you're interested I would suggest calling @CSTactical Ask for Mike or Dan. They'll hook you up.
Makes sense to me. I went ahead and ordered one. Looking for rings now.
I was able to get a Warne skyline 35mm from Amazon last night new for 101$. Then this morning this drops. It was meant to be.
Thanks for letting me know.
Trying to figure out which one I want and what features between March, Leupold, and NF ATACR. Going to start a thread in the next couple days after I do a little more research. Hope many of you will voice your opinions.
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
I just pulled the trigger on one. Almost to good to be true. It will be replacing an Athlon ETR (which isn't a bad scope) on a 308 semi custom but I have been wanting to get in on the local long range 22 matches so the ETR will go on the 22. I don't believe they are offering it in illuminated PR2 reticle yet.
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