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I really like that a lot.
Thanks, you guys helped a lot. Next question, spotter grid or no spotter grid?I really like that a lot.
Would have to see it IRL, but I like it. Prefer without the additional spotting reticle.
I hear what you're saying, the size has to work in the Goldilocks zone of real world scenarios, if I said clearly usable from 10-18x would that be a fair assessment? Good to know about the spotter grid.Would have to see it IRL, but I like it. Prefer without the additional spotting reticle.
Is it? Is it obviousI would skip the #1, pretty obvious where 1 is
Have a custom March made with this and take it to 5-10 of the top 50 prs shooters for final feedback and you have a winner.I hear what you're saying, the size has to work in the Goldilocks zone of real world scenarios, if I said clearly usable from 10-18x would that be a fair assessment? Good to know about the spotter grid.
Is it? Is it obvious
I like your advice (not sure if March would ever make my reticle though). I have a couple buddies in PRS but none in the top 50 unfortunately... and that is part of the problem with getting new reticles to market - how do you "prove" the reticle will be well received?Have a custom March made with this and take it to 5-10 of the top 50 prs shooters for final feedback and you have a winner.
Thanks, would you agree to toss the spotter grid and “1” mil numbers?I need that reticle, it is perfect and not just for PRS.
I have this scope and an ATACR 7-35. I think the March glass is better. Again, both are good and I don’t think you would be disappointed with either. But the wide angle and clarity from the March seems better to my eyes.Does this March scope have better glass than a Nightforce Actar ?
Let me see what I can doVery interesting thread.
My use is near and far group shooting, plinking and military competition.
At the moment I use Athlon Cronus BTR which seems to have been a spot-on choice for me.
I am very close to buying the 4.5-28x52 but hoping they would change:
1) to bright reticle illumination with more than just the center illuminated to work on dark backgrounds.
2) windage turret to non-capped, lockable or not. I have never had my turrets move by themselves, even rushing stairs and whatnot.
Now I shall add my opinions / needs on reticles.
My grief with tree reticles has been lack of .1mil lines for milling targets. In my experience dots do not give strong enough visual accuracy for the job. Milling with precision feels sometimes more like art of guessing than measuring but I would be ready to place bets that a .2 or .3 long line that is spaced .1mil away is the best way to do it.
My basic strategy to milling is to make the target as big as possible by zooming but still be able to see the start and end mil lines at the same time to verify the result. For milling to be succesful I line the other end of the target against a long line at full mil, and then count the lines. Usual problem is to count which .2 line it is while simultaneously checking the target is held against the full mil line. So making unique tenths would help this process.
You could maybe replace or add one more row above the 3rd row up with only .1 lines, going 2mils left and right? Usually milled objects are under 2mil, and the larger they are the closer they are and more margin for error they have.
Your spotting grid also looked good but it is quite easily replaced if the reticle center is supported with enough dots for rough estimation if the hit is observed above the main stadia. Just even very small dots, few and far between, could help with this.
Actually, I noticed your reticle has the 5th and 10th circles with a dot inside. This dotted circle could be placed on a target and use the surrounding reticle for spotting too. Particularly the 10th dot would be good for this, since it is intuitive as I would just read 11th as 1st and so on. There could be made an improvement to make the 10th row slightly thicker or something else to make it stand out just a little more for this purpose.
I apologize for losing the story here; what is this upgraded 3-24X50 for which you are in a wait state? Are you sure that it will have a wider FOV than the 4.5-28X52 provides at the equivalent magnification?I am waiting for the upgraded 3-24x50 with the new reticle. Need more field of view that 4.5 just doesn’t provide.
Mine are pretty close, but outside of zero rarely touch windage. You could talk to March and see what they say, maybe send them a videoThanks for the input. I was expecting a bit of difference like the Razor, but the difference on the March is way more distinct.
Thanks! I will send them an email then. Mine is nowhere near close. Razor vs PST Gen II is the best way I can describe it over text.Mine are pretty close, but outside of zero rarely touch windage. You could talk to March and see what they say, maybe send them a video
The click of elevation turret feels softer than the click of windage turret due to the structure of the dial.
Therefore there is no problem with your turrets. But if you want the same click feeling on both, we can modify it.
Both of mine sound more like your elevation to be honest, they are on the "quieter" side, but if March is willing to upgrade to get you that more distinct "clunk" sound that is a bonus, I tend to prefer the "clunk" over the "clink" but it's really personal preference.If anyone is curious to how it sounds like, here's the video I sent to March. There clicks on the elevation dial should be audible, but you might need to turn up your volume to hear it.
Got a response back very quickly from them:
Sounds like it is not a problem then. Very cool they even offer the option to modify it.
I don't hunt so I cannot answer the question from experience. On the other hand, I can't see how the 4.5-28X52 would be a problem in the woods set at low power. Either reticle would work but I am more familiar with the PDK and the PDKI. I have the PDK in my 4.5-28X52. At 4.5X, the tree part of the reticle looks more like a chevron which should be great for hunting.
The shuriken locks on the new turrets are fantastic. The locks are easy to use and once set, do a great job of locking. There is no conceivable danger of the lock being bumped and unlocking by mistake. The feel of the turret clicks is superb, with great tactile feedback, and the audible feedback is nice also. It's not a metallic sound, it's more low-pitched, like hitting wood with the top of your fingernail. (Best I could conjure up on the fly.)
Are you really looking to put a 28 power optic on your woods rifle?I’m looking for a hunting scope for a new rifle. Is the 4.5-28 usable in the woods on 4.5x? I like the TR1 a lot but from the pictures on March’s site it looks like the PDKI might be better at 4.5x, does anyone have any insight either way on this?
Also the shuriken turrets are now available on these, are they a better option compared to the standard turrets? Both being the same, locking and exposed seems like a plus.
Are you really looking to put a 28 power optic on your woods rifle?
I've done a fair amount of hunting with mine (successfully), but it's not on a timber rifle
If you sidemount a reddot on the scope it will work fineI’m looking for a hunting scope for a new rifle. Is the 4.5-28 usable in the woods on 4.5x? I like the TR1 a lot but from the pictures on March’s site it looks like the PDKI might be better at 4.5x, does anyone have any insight either way on this?
Also the shuriken turrets are now available on these, are they a better option compared to the standard turrets? Both being the same, locking and exposed seems like a plus.
If you sidemount a reddot on the scope it will work fine
Mine is the non illuminated reticle so I keep it above 6 x in low light where shots could happen quickly, it works well but illumination would be even more betterNo I have multiple hunting rifles and stands, some can only shoot up to 100 yards and some much further. But even the stands with more range can have deer pop up anywhere from 0 to 500+ yards. Where I sit dictates the rifle I use. One rifle could certainly do all but what fun would that be?
Mine is the non illuminated reticle so I keep it above 6 x in low light where shots could happen quickly, it works well but illumination would be even more better
I like FML-TR1. I think it works well for a FFP hunting reticle. It’s very versatile reticle. I attended a shooting course recently that incorporated a lot of timed hasty tripod/setup shots and did not have any issues making times and finding the reticle. @Glassaholic did a big a write up on the scope and reticle. It would probably help your decision.