Rifle Scopes New Nightforce FFP Super Scope coming soon!

[Opticsspecialist]

Re: New Nightforce FFP Super Scope coming soon!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gstaylorg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Frank,
It's well-known you have the inside track on upcoming events/products that many can only dream about. Any chance you can let us in on some early info regarding that Dec 21, 2012 Mayan apocalypse thing?

</div></div>

I'm prepped and planning on the world ending.

My only hope is we get an Alien invasion along with it. </div></div>



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxFYYP8040A

 

[HillbillyfromAL]

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That was a funny commercial we all know Chevy's ain't what they used to be.

 

[Dsparil]

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Honestly the price and the reticle. The scope is durable enough for me, I like the way the knobs are set up(I absolutely cannot stand S&B knobs. They are WAY too crowded). As for premier, I am kind of eyeing the 5-25x but I do have a bit of loyalty to Nightforce. I've owned several scopes in the past. I've owned two nightforces and like them the best but I prefer the durability of the Premier scope body more. We'll see what happens. As for glass clarity, for 1000 yards I'm not that BIG on clarity. I think nightforce is good enough in that I'm willing to go with it to save $1,000 or more.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redhead522</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not to rain on the parade, but for that price ($3200 according to one post), why not just go with the Premier or add a little more and get a Schmidt and Bender? From what I've read (never personally witnessed though), the Premier & S&B glass are in another league, & both have a 5-25 offering. Plus no wait time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still undecided about which 5-25 to get, but what does NF bring to the table that Premier & S&B don't? </div></div>

 

[EchozRipple]

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A FFP 5x25 NF should be a beautiful thing! Looking forward to it.

 

[Grizzdude]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CSTACTICAL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was told more info but let see what happens at the NRA Show.

Mike @ CST</div></div>

How about lets not and say we did. Now give us the scoop!!!!

 

[Møønlight]

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Anyone else have blue balls?

 

[rpk762]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Moonshadow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone else have blue balls?</div></div>

Not anymore. I am so tired of all the hype. I really like their products but for new stuff I believe it when I see it. I am sure next they will have a built in range finder and computer program that works like a BORS system but does wind also all built in. Coming soon.

In NF terms soon equals sometime in the future maybe not that soon but eventuallyish.

 

[HeathenRifleman]

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I haven't been able to find anything out about this,....any news from the nra show?

 

[Redmanss]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HeathenRifleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I haven't been able to find anything out about this,....any news from the nra show?</div></div> That's it's still not quite ready for full release yet. Patiently waiting still...

 

[redroan45]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Moonshadow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone else have blue balls? </div></div>

yea one ball from this scope and the other from the S&B 3-20. I really want to see this scope before I buy anything.

 

[pupdawg]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redroan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Moonshadow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone else have blue balls? </div></div>

yea one ball from this scope and the other from the S&B 3-20. I really want to see this scope before I buy anything. </div></div>

The S&B 3-20 was or still is in stock at Eurooptics according to Alex's website.

http://www.eurooptic.com/schmidt-bender-pmii-3-20x50-l-p-p4-fine-mrad-locking-mtc-cw.aspx

So now you only have one blue ball.

 

[Doogie]

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Been looking at their current FFP, but due to lower magnification I just can't do it. Those prairie dog are hard to see sometimes. Granted I'd have to sell the current 8-32 and a kidney to ge the "new" one.

 

[propulsionclimbing]

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Any updates on this? Things have been very quiet about this scope lately.

 

[00bullitt]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: propulsionclimbing</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any updates on this? Things have been very quiet about this scope lately. </div></div>

We will have an official release later this year. It will definitely be announced here. Lowlight is heavily in the loop.

 

[tman300wm]

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I'm not going to bash NF, I have one and it's a great scope, but Hell, I would have been happy if they had simply done a mod to the 5.5-22 50mm by offering it in FFP, Mil/Mil, with a zero stop in the $2100.00 range. What could NF possibly be offering us that isn't available from at least two to three other scope makers? Considering the quality of the Vortex Razor and the Super Sniper scopes, I think NF had better give some serious thought to what part of the market they are planning of capturing with their new offering.

There are some great scopes out there, but over $3000.00 is where I draw the line. I just don't see enough difference in the quality of the glass and mechanical design to justify paying that much money for an optic. Short of NF putting out the most bad ass scope ever conceived and selling it for well under $3000.00, I don't see myself buying one.

 

[Paladin2147]

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Its only money.

 

[Dirtracer151]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tman300wm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not going to bash NF, I have one and it's a great scope, but Hell, I would have been happy if they had simply done a mod to the 5.5-22 50mm by offering it in FFP, Mil/Mil, with a zero stop in the $2100.00 range. What could NF possibly be offering us that isn't available from at least two to three other scope makers? Considering the quality of the Vortex Razor and the Super Sniper scopes, I think NF had better give some serious thought to what part of the market they are planning of capturing with their new offering.

There are some great scopes out there, but over $3000.00 is where I draw the line. I just don't see enough difference in the quality of the glass and mechanical design to justify paying that much money for an optic. Short of NF putting out the most bad ass scope ever conceived and selling it for well under $3000.00, I don't see myself buying one. </div></div>


I heard from "someone" that there's actually 2 scopes in the works. One being the BEAST or whatever it's gonna be called, and one that more closely resembles your first idea at a price point similar (slightly more) then the the current 3-15 F1.

Personally, i've owned S&Bs, Vortex, Premiers, and now an F1. I would be %100 happy to get an F1 that had a minimum of 20x although i think they will end up being 5-25s. The repeatability of my F1 has so far been better then all my other scopes and due to NFs track record i have %100 confidence in it when i show up at a match. Give me a 5-25 NXS F1 and ill buy 4!! I don't need all the other fancy crap!!

 

[okrebel92]

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Same story differnt date... I think the hype is getting old.

 

[71firebird400]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: okrebel92</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Same story differnt date... I think the hype is getting old. </div></div>

What hype!? NF hasn't said anything officially on the subject, nor have they advertised or promoted the scope. They haven't made (or missed) any delivery dates nor have they broken any promises. The only hype out there is being generated by the public.

 

[okrebel92]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 71firebird400</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: okrebel92</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Same story differnt date... I think the hype is getting old. </div></div>

What hype!? The only hype out there is being generated by the public. </div></div>

That is what I'm refering too. It's worse than apple.

 

[AZIROC]

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wanna see what all the hype is about....

 

[71firebird400]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZIROC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wanna see what all the hype is about.... </div></div>

Hey!!

 

[Red Belly]

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I am curious to see if the illumination will be externally adjustable in the field on these new scopes.

 

[Compact45]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZIROC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wanna see what all the hype is about....</div></div>


Yes

 

[Lead Heads]

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I am definitely curious about all the rumors and option of The Beast.

 

[bobbye]

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I have 2 5.5-25 NF
One is a np-r1 and the other is a MOA
The fact that NF came out with the MOA shows that they listen to the input they get from poeple who shoot for a living. The ret, are the same except the MOA was carried up in the way it is user friendly. And I want to see where they will add $1000. to the scope they have now.FFP+?

 

[Grizzdude]

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My Gosh!!!! When are we gonna get an update!!

 

[LoneWolfUSMC]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grizzdude</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My Gosh!!!! When are we gonna get an update!! </div></div>

I would not expect anything new until SHOT.

 

[KillShot]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grizzdude</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My Gosh!!!! When are we gonna get an update!! </div></div>

I would not expect anything new until SHOT.</div></div>

I would say that's par for the course and even then, it's looking like anyone would be a fool to expect anything at SHOT unless you're one of the few to step behind the magic curtain.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of NightForce Optics but how long have people been wanting/requesting a higher magnification in FFP, only for their requests to be ignored or put on the back burner?

There's no telling how much business has been turned away with people opting for what competitors have to offer because NightForce has stonewalled or whatever you wanna call it, time after time, while blowing in people's ears about developing the 'next big, ground-breaking thing' in the world of optics only for it never come to fruition.

Instead of dicking around with some super scope that you can use to see the fleas on a gnats ass that's landing on the surface of Pluto, how about releasing something like an NXS 5-25x FFP? I don't know all the development that goes into it but, damn, if your competitors like USO, SB, and Premier can do it...why can't NightForce?

 

[Early Cuyler]

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I would've been first in line for their new beast if it didn't take so long. I have since bought a S&B and honestly don't know how NF can match or beat it. The next super high end scope I buy will probably be a 3-20x50 unless the NF reviews are just amazing.

 

[Trevor300wsm]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grizzdude</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My Gosh!!!! When are we gonna get an update!! </div></div>

I would not expect anything new until SHOT.</div></div>

Another damn year?? Last word was "Summer". Guess summer is here though and still no NXS FFP 5-25. As stated above, I have no idea all the R&D that goes into developing an optic, but many others have/are doing it and doing it damn well, so why can NF?

 

[USACS]

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I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that NF's development of their new scopes likely has little to no effect on their current production lead times. Companies typically don't shut down their commercial production to develop new products. They tend to have their own R&D separated from production. I would likely suspect that the delays are more due to commercial demand than anything. When you have companies like Cabelas now stocking NF, you now have a much greater load on production because large retailers like that want inventory, so NF would need to provide larger amounts to meet the commercial inventory orders. Not only that, but NF still has .mil contracts, and those take priority.
This is just my educated guess on the matter, mind you.

 

[Trevor300wsm]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USACS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that NF's development of their new scopes likely has little to no effect on their current production lead times. Companies typically don't shut down their commercial production to develop new products. They tend to have their own R&D separated from production. I would likely suspect that the delays are more due to commercial demand than anything. When you have companies like Cabelas now stocking NF, you now have a much greater load on production because large retailers like that want inventory, so NF would need to provide larger amounts to meet the commercial inventory orders. Not only that, but NF still has .mil contracts, and those take priority.
This is just my educated guess on the matter, mind you.</div></div>

What does any of this have to do with the debut/release of the new 5-25 FFP?

 

[USACS]

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It was a general observation, as well as a roundabout commentary about what KillShot was saying regarding the development of the scope. My commentary was that I'm expecting the scope whenever NF decides to put it out. I don't think we're going to see any shift in how they do business in order to put it out faster. The nice thing about it all has been that they haven't said anything about it, which has been good for not getting peoples' hopes up.

 

[turbo54]

Re: New Nightforce FFP Super Scope coming soon!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJimFish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Nightforce booth was a bit of a bummer at Shot this year. I was hoping to see at least a prototype of the high power ffp scope if not the final version. All they had to show was their new MOAR reticle. Not a bad reticle, is has fine hash marks, every 1 MOA. I prefer marks every 1 MOA as it makes range estimation much finer and easier for a person accustomed to reading the finest gradation and making one additional guess digit. Remember significant figures in high school science class?

Now for some total speculation (really, I have no inside track here.) I would be very surprised to see the new scope before Q4 of 2012. If they had a final gen (same as production) prototype I would have expected them to show it and think it would have been very unwise not to. S&B, PR, USO, and even Leupold have all showed prototypes that were not even final gen. I didn't even do a Shot Show write up for Nightforce this year because there really wasn't anything to say.

Perhaps threads like this create the buzz they are looking for, but I tend to think that a thread with some actual pics of a prototype and some information would create more action. I think that SWFA defined masterful PR with the roll out of their 1-4x line. They had here and AR-15.com buzzing for months about a mil hash reticle 1-4x scope that, I suspect, is made by Light Optic. A quality product to be sure, but not an earth-shattering leap forward in rifle scope design.</div></div>


Sounds exactly like a guy not invited behind the curtain... LOL
NF has never been known to show the public any prototype scope, to include the F1 in the early stages. Forget the fact several of us have seen the scopes, because not "everyone" has, it must be buzz only.

<span style="font-weight: bold">But hey run with it, if you're interested I am open to taking a 4th Qtr bet versus the May speculation for an unveiling. </span>

Most of you are overlooking the fact a lot changed at NF in the last few months, so those changes are just slow to trickle down. And the fact more and more of their offerings are coming online with the "Made in USA" label which also has changed the game a bit. </div></div>

Time's running out! I hope you're right, I'm anxious to see this thing.

 

[hewlett260]

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Just curious, but whats wrong with the current line of NF scopes? And why does it seem everyone has jumped on the FFP bandwagon? If you were using it professionally, you really don't need more than 15x to shoot a person even at 1K. But if you aren't shooting people, then what else are you shooting? Game of any kind, steel plates, paper, the last two are hardly ever as big as or bigger than a person. So wouldn't the reticle covering the target at say, 25x become an issue at the extreme range of your weapon? What do you really need it for and can you really justify the extra $1,000 and then some because lets face it if they can charge $3,000 then why not another couple hundred dollars for a better profit. I own a 5.5-22x50mm mil/mil NXS and love it and SFP does everything I need it to. Not trying to change subject or anything, just trying to understand the point of view and also be a voice of reason for some.

 

[KillShot]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hewlett260</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just curious...What do you really need it for and can you really justify the extra $1,000 and then some because lets face it if they can charge $3,000 then why not another couple hundred dollars for a better profit.</div></div>

Some people don't need any justification. They charge $3000 because there's always that small group of the community who they KNOW will pay the price.

 

[turbo54]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hewlett260</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just curious, but whats wrong with the current line of NF scopes? And why does it seem everyone has jumped on the FFP bandwagon? If you were using it professionally, you really don't need more than 15x to shoot a person even at 1K. But if you aren't shooting people, then what else are you shooting? Game of any kind, steel plates, paper, the last two are hardly ever as big as or bigger than a person. So wouldn't the reticle covering the target at say, 25x become an issue at the extreme range of your weapon? What do you really need it for and can you really justify the extra $1,000 and then some because lets face it if they can charge $3,000 then why not another couple hundred dollars for a better profit. I own a 5.5-22x50mm mil/mil NXS and love it and SFP does everything I need it to. Not trying to change subject or anything, just trying to understand the point of view and also be a voice of reason for some. </div></div>

To me, FFP is mandatory. Whether for ranging at any magnification, or calling corrections to my partner, it's required.

Without it, I can only tell my my partner "hold 2 plate-heights higher", or only spot on a given magnification.

Also, depending on reticle, even a small target is not obscured by the crosshair. In 5-25 scopes, I like the Gen2XR and P4F - but the reticle isn't big enough to use until ~10x.

I've talked to folks that argue for SFP until they're blue. To me, it generally sounds like them trying to convince themselves they don't need/want the $500-1000 option. But, if you truly dig your SFP, GREAT! Different strokes for different folks! Me? FFP all the way.

 

[hewlett260]

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Hey, whatever works for you. I see the application for the FFP throughout the power range being able to range. I was more curious as to the use of it out side the military or LE community. Turbo54, you brought up a good point about the team aspect of it's uses. For me, I don't mind the FFP on a min to max of about 10-17x. Any higher power, and I'm shooting paper or steel for fun and prefer the sfp. Just my opinion and can see where you are coming from.

 

[coldboremiracle]

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[Dustin Morris]

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^^^^^ You beat me to it. I've been thinking that would be a good bomb to drop on this anxious crowd.

Dustin

 

[pupdawg]

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[coldboremiracle]

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[pupdawg]

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[turbo54]

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^^ Good stuff right there...

Pics?

 

[jawa]

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[Grizzdude]

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wouldn't the FFP reticle be bigger at full power magnification than the 5.5-22? if you were shooting 1 mile to 2000 yards what would you prefer, the FFP or the SFP?

 

[30calDeath]

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Whats with everyone editing their posts?

 

[Oreaopla]

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Any updates on the new nightforce?