Rifle Scopes New Optic From Bushnell, The LRHS

[Will Fennell]

George,
As I said before, I'm in for at least 1 of these scopes, but I have a question if you don't mind answering? This scope being spec'd out for hunting, was there any thoughts towards an illuminated reticle? In the parts of the world where I hunt, I REALLY use illuminated reticles....

TIA,

Merry Christmas,

Will

 

[Kiba]

7Y parallax? Awesome. Looks like I'll be getting at least two of these to replace the Bushnell 3-12 x 44 FFPs on my 10/22 and air rifle. They're good little scopes but the additional elevation travel and the 10 mil elevation knob of the LRHS makes the upgrade easy to justify.

George, if you also have input on the upcoming 4-16 x 50 variant *please* make sure Bushnell keeps the 7Y bottom end parallax! Even if they have to up it to 10Y because of the mag range difference that's fine too. I just want to see more FFP mil/mil optics out there with 10Y parallax capabilities for the rimfires & air rifles, there are not enough good options out there right now.

 

[Cobracutter]

I are really wrong. Sorry

 

[Cobracutter]

I are wrong

 

[19Scout77]

So its twice the cost of the one shown with 34MM.

Both the new scope and the scope you linked have 30mm tubes.

 

[A10XRIFLE]

Group buy on the first 200 scopes available is up


http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...hnell-3x12x44-lrhs-group-buy.html#post2849969

 

[BigRso]

A tad disappointed in the price of the group buy. No offense I am more then sure it is worth every penny. I would of been all over it at 1k -1200 but at 1500 you can get more magnification or illumination or both with well built scopes and great glass.

 

[A10XRIFLE]

A tad disappointed in the price of the group buy. No offense I am more then sure it is worth every penny. I would of been all over it at 1k -1200 but at 1500 you can get more magnification or illumination or both with well built scopes and great glass.

Just for discussion, what scopes are you thinking of ????


As far as your other two points, we considered more magnification the problem is you loose field of view. Big problem while hunting and trying to get on something you may have spotted in a spotting scope or that a buddy spotted. Also a deer or even an antelope is huge at 12X at 1000 yards. An Elk !!! 6x would be good. I dont get the want or need for high power for a hunting scope. For small targets or shooting paper yes, I get that. Next year you will see a 4x16x50 for the guys wanting the extra power

As far as illumination, in all the hunting and match and target shooting Ive done, Ive never used it. I shot a NF for years and other than initially turning it on and thinking thats cool it was a waste and didnt get used. Pat and I discussed it and he felt the same way. So it was left off.



Take no offence Im really interested in hearing what scope you have found available with these features and higher mag and lit reticle for a price of 1000-1200?? Id like to know.

Thanks

 

[BigRso]

Just for discussion, what scopes are you thinking of ????


As far as your other two points, we considered more magnification the problem is you loose field of view. Big problem while hunting and trying to get on something you may have spotted in a spotting scope or that a buddy spotted. Also a deer or even an antelope is huge at 12X at 1000 yards. An Elk !!! 6x would be good. I dont get the want or need for high power for a hunting scope. For small targets or shooting paper yes, I get that. Next year you will see a 4x16x50 for the guys wanting the extra power

As far as illumination, in all the hunting and match and target shooting Ive done, Ive never used it. I shot a NF for years and other than initially turning it on and thinking thats cool it was a waste and didnt get used. Pat and I discussed it and he felt the same way. So it was left off.



Take no offence Im really interested in hearing what scope you have found available with these features and higher mag and lit reticle for a price of 1000-1200?? Id like to know.

Thanks

Again George I meant no disrespect to your project or thread at all. As far as at 1000-1200 price range none new but used plenty in this forum. At 1500-1700 plenty new with leo/mil discounts from vendors on this forum. I was simply stating considering it was a group buy you would figure a scope worth 1500 would be priced considerably less due to it being a group buy and to attract buyers.
Either way you obviously took offense if so I apologize I am not here to argue or throw salt on others threads and that was not my intentions I honestly was interested in the scope for my AR to punch paper and ring steel and maybe go out for some yotes if possible.

I also get that my usage wasn't the design purpose of this scope , but again I liked what you put together and taught we would possibly get it at a lower price and shared my taught.

Happy Holidays,
Mike

 

[The_FNG]

Well it's under $1500 like you promised

 

[A10XRIFLE]

Again George I meant no disrespect to your project or thread at all. As far as at 1000-1200 price range none new but used plenty in this forum. At 1500-1700 plenty new with leo/mil discounts from vendors on this forum. I was simply stating considering it was a group buy you would figure a scope worth 1500 would be priced considerably less due to it being a group buy and to attract buyers.
Either way you obviously took offense if so I apologize I am not here to argue or throw salt on others threads and that was not my intentions I honestly was interested in the scope for my AR to punch paper and ring steel and maybe go out for some yotes if possible.

I also get that my usage wasn't the design purpose of this scope , but again I liked what you put together and taught we would possibly get it at a lower price and shared my taught.

Happy Holidays,
Mike

No Offence at all, I was wondering what scopes your talking about, If you are LEO or Military I can get you a LEO/ MIL Price. Not a Problem , but comparing New Price to Used is not the same thing. And I agree if you wait a year from now you can probably find one of these used for $1200. But this is a chance at one of the first 200 scopes fresh out of production. I wanted a break from MAP but it didn't work out. MAP pricing insures that guys cant undercut everyone else and its a policy they cannot brake.

 

[A10XRIFLE]

Well it's under $1500 like you promised

Yea, LOL I was trying for better. but was overruled. The Laser is a smoking deal if guys need an extra laser for the truck or pack.

 

[liv4spd]

Just for discussion, what scopes are you thinking of ????

Since you asked... to me, the value proposition at $1499 does put it within throwing distance of optics like the Leupy Mark 6 3-18x44 (TMR) to my door, for $1749. Nice and light at only 1.6oz more than this Bushy, great company, respectable glass, good reticule (though if I had my druthers.. I like yours better for the intended application) - but over all, I have to say.. at this price point it's my personal barrier of entry, given the great options out there.

Respect for filling a gap that needed filling though - I'm sure you'll sell plenty of em!

 

[A10XRIFLE]

Since you asked... to me, the value proposition at $1499 does put it within throwing distance of optics like the Leupy Mark 6 3-18x44 (TMR) to my door, for $1749. Nice and light at only 1.6oz more than this Bushy, great company, respectable glass, good reticule (though if I had my druthers.. I like yours better for the intended application) - but over all, I have to say.. at this price point it's my personal barrier of entry, given the great options out there.

Respect for filling a gap that needed filling though - I'm sure you'll sell plenty of em!

MAP on that scope is $2109.81 So if your getting it for $1749 its a non advertised price. or LE/Mil

This scope has better features especially for hunting. and is also 100% Guaranteed

 

[redneckbmxer24]

The scope is a great concept and but at $1500 is more than I'd be willing to spend on it. At $1200 I'd bite though and will once they're at dealers that are willing to deal. I know they're not apples to apples but on the same rifle I'd put that on I can get two 3-12's with G2 for the same money, a NF 2.5-10x42 with zero stop and MIL-R for $150 more, a Leupold MK6 3-18 for $250 more, or a NF F1 for $400 more.

They're going to sell like hotcakes though and I'm sure there are more than enough people that can justify the MAP.

 

[liv4spd]

With respect - the market doesn't care what MAP price is, or is not. What buyers do hold in regard, however, is what they pay for a unit given it's overall value proposition at that point in time.

And no, that's not LEO pricing. That's market price - both internet, and local.

 

[BigRso]

No Offence at all, I was wondering what scopes your talking about, If you are LEO or Military I can get you a LEO/ MIL Price. Not a Problem , but comparing New Price to Used is not the same thing. And I agree if you wait a year from now you can probably find one of these used for $1200. But this is a chance at one of the first 200 scopes fresh out of production. I wanted a break from MAP but it didn't work out. MAP pricing insures that guys cant undercut everyone else and its a policy they cannot brake.

Understood, OB-1 Makes complete sense. Either way its a awesome scope from the specs, so I am sure you wont have enough for everyone once the PMs start rolling in.

Best wishes for you and yours this Holiday Season

 

[A10XRIFLE]

With respect - the market doesn't care what MAP price is, or is not. What buyers do hold in regard, however, is what they pay for a unit given it's overall value proposition at that point in time.

And no, that's not LEO pricing. That's market price - both internet, and local.

I totally agree, But I cannot come on here and post up cheaper pricing without the blessings of the manufacturer as then they would not let me carry them. If they sell 1000+ of them this year and everyone that buys one loves it and tells all their freinds they will have made the right choice, if they sell very little they will have to cut the price. For now they are still under everyone else that has anything remotely similar and its a great product. The scopes being mentioned are made at the same place so it comes down to a name recognition thing, Bushnell is back in the game of high end glass it will take a while to sink in.

How many remember the Boush & Lomb 10x Tactical???? it was the first optic that was over $1000. they got Army and Navy Seal contracts and it was the best optic on the planet at the time. SAME Company!!! They are back

Navy M-25 with B&L 10X

 

[knockemdown]

Respectfully,
Would like to have seen this scope come in a couple hundred less as an intro price. I've always been a Bushnell fan and am an admitted Premier whore. In comparing this to a Premier Hunter, i will take the 5x zoom range, 15x max. 50 mm bell, capped turret with spectacular glass, over a 4x zoom, 42mm bell with exposed turrets and cool reticle.

Granted, Premier doesn't make the Hunter anymore, but to me, that is a "benchmark" FFP hunting optic at the $1500 price point that comes to mind. What a shame that they haven't been picked up by AT when they took over Premier, cuz they had a winner there. Capped turrets are fine for me, so long as they repeat. The Bushys well designed exposed turret looks handy, but is not a deal maker for me. And the reticle is cool, but, IMHO, isn't any more ' hunter friendly' than a good ol' GenII Mildot.

If this new Bushnell's glass proves it can hang with a Premier 3-15x in all it's marvelousness, I'll be waiting on the 4-16x 50 to come out. Was very excited for this release, But not gonna drop 1.5K on this scope...

Again, no disrespect, just an honest opinion from a hunter/ shooter who likes high end shit...

 

[Lowlight]

You guys wonder why there aren't more group buys on here, just look at the bs you have to put up with.

I applaud both George and Bushnell for stepping up and listening to the end user. They have been doing excellent work over the last few years climbing back to the top of the scope pile. Bushnell has been, not only putting out very good products, but standing behind these products 100% and even better, adjusting the product to fit the market. Very few in this industry are doing that today.

Everywhere you look, the prices are climbing higher and higher with very few changes and even less feedback from the customer. Here you have it all coming together and people just want to complain and rag on guys setting them up. As I have noted over and over, companies constantly ask me about "group buys" and I constantly turn them down or steer them in another direct because of the behavior of a vocal few. People go over the top to sour these deals because it falls just outside of "what they want or what they would do"...

Just knowing George and the Team @ Bushnell, you are be secure and knowing this the best product they can deliver at the best price possible. And to sweeten that deal for that extra $50 you get a rangefinder... please no brainer.

 

[RHutch]

Flip the ranger for 1 fiddy to 2 hundy and you are into the scope for 13 fiddy to 14 hundy.
That's the no brainier.

 

[A10XRIFLE]

Flip the ranger for 1 fiddy to 2 hundy and you are into the scope for 13 fiddy to 14 hundy.
That's the no brainier.

LOL

 

[Lowlight]

Give the rangefinder to your Mother in Law for XMAS, instant hero...

 

[Cobracutter]

MAP on that scope is $2109.81 So if your getting it for $1749 its a non advertised price. or LE/Mil

This scope has better features especially for hunting. and is also 100% Guaranteed

MAP Means nothing... Consumers don't give a shit about dealers/manufactures price rigging/collusion.

The 3-18 can be had for Less than this with Mil LEO price, and with more usable mag range, same weight, more elevation travel and better glass if this bushy is like the rest in the ET line.

Why is this scope almost twice the cost of the regular 3-12x44. All it has is different turrets and a slightly different paralax/reticle. Still is missing illum which is needed on many areas for hunting at dawn/dusk.

What is the Mil/LEO price on this, or do we have to go through Alpha@Bushnell?

There are a couple home runs in the ET lineup, but at this price, this doesn't look like one of them.

 

[Carl_Ross]

My mother in law DEFINITELY needs a rangefinder.

I'm going to get one of these one way or another. Thanks for making the kind of scope I've been looking for.

PM sending...

 

[Cobracutter]

You guys wonder why there aren't more group buys on here, just look at the bs you have to put up with.

I applaud both George and Bushnell for stepping up and listening to the end user. They have been doing excellent work over the last few years climbing back to the top of the scope pile. Bushnell has been, not only putting out very good products, but standing behind these products 100% and even better, adjusting the product to fit the market. Very few in this industry are doing that today.

Everywhere you look, the prices are climbing higher and higher with very few changes and even less feedback from the customer. Here you have it all coming together and people just want to complain and rag on guys setting them up. As I have noted over and over, companies constantly ask me about "group buys" and I constantly turn them down or steer them in another direct because of the behavior of a vocal few. People go over the top to sour these deals because it falls just outside of "what they want or what they would do"...

Just knowing George and the Team @ Bushnell, you are be secure and knowing this the best product they can deliver at the best price possible. And to sweeten that deal for that extra $50 you get a rangefinder... please no brainer.

What do you expect... this is a message board .... where people come to share their opinions and share info.
This is not a group buy thread... I don't see anyone shitting in there. George posted up this scope to share and ask opinions and that's what he is getting.
You got members who will buy anything Team Gap or any of the "living legends use"
You have members who will snear at anything Bushnell on name alone
You have members who OWN bushnell products and love them, and then say this is not that great of a value.

I think I know who I would be listening to....

 

[Lowlight]

@Cobracutter

If you only knew.... there are ways of going about things and being productive and there are ways that make you nothing but a dick poking your finger at anything you disagree with.

Personally I find it comical your attitude especially when it mostly revolves around money and how much what costs and what you can save going in other directions. Then I chuckle to myself because the money you could be saving is being blown right now with your attitude. Real money too. That I can promise you. If you only knew what they say, and why they don't deal with you.

But hey, I got mine, so rant away.

 

[ccoker]

I get to test a LOT if scopes
And I spend a lot of time using them in the field hunting and doing real world testing.

I think the features and specs are well thought out for the price point.

My big question is "how good is the glass?"

That would make or break it for me for hunting.
I can cleanly kill deer past when I can tell if I should or not.

 

[1slow01z71]

What will make or break this optic is what the actual street price ends up being. People that want to be first will always pay a premium which it seems you will be if you buy from George for the initial run. Im sure since he essentially designed it and is very happy with it, it will deliver a very high quality fit and finish. I think most understand what MAP is and its there for good reason but as most have noted we as consumers could care less what MAP is. We care about what comes out of our bank account.

For me personally I was interested in this scope for a 6.5CM whitetail gun as I genuinely like the features it has. In particular the large elevation knob, I love that about the USOs but Im not ready for a 2K scope. There are a ton of features that many are interested in but at the end of the day for a 1500 street price at this time, for 200-300 more you will be able to get the new 3-18 vortex razor. It will have at least as good of glass as this scope, higher mag range, illuminated reticle, more elevation(not really necessary in a hunting scope but would be nice should I decide to strap it on an ELR rig) and a better warranty. That's a lot of for only a couple hundred more.

This scope will be a success or failure depending on what the actual street price is. George is shackled by the MAP and in all honesty will probably be able to sell all 200 units for 1500. There is a large group on here and his customers that have to have the newest thing immediately. There is a large group of us that sit back and wait for reviews to be good and the price to settle to the market value. Im of the latter group and Im sure many are as well. If this scope comes down into the 1200ish range then I will buy one. At 1500 its too close to even better scopes, just my useless opinion as someone who is slowly dumping his lower end vortex scopes for higher end stuff.

I don't think anyone means any disrespect to George and Pat(well maybe turdcutter but hes being his usual abrasive self) with all their work that has gone into this scope, I just think most were counting on it being closer to HDMR territory. Again this initial offering seems to be due to MAP, street price will dictate the success of this scope which sounds like we wont find out til late next year.

 

[5RWill]

New Optic From Bushnell, The LRHS

Yea, LOL I was trying for better. but was overruled. The Laser is a smoking deal if guys need an extra laser for the truck or pack.

One could always look at the laser to sell if they potentially wanted a lower price. Whether that would bother anyone though is another thing.

I appreciate that you tried for lower than map George. Either way I'll end up with one. Maybe in the group buy if I can swing the cash.

Though my thought on MAP is that it's still a good deal. 1500$ for glass comparable to NXS and razor with zero stop, FFP, and the reticle I mean really it's pretty good. A NXS 2.5-10x32mm SFP is freaking 1600$. Sure I'm going to seek to buy it below 1500$ as I would do with any product. But I don't think it's a bad price considering the specs.


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[ctsmith]

George, package this with a Xtreme Hunter with a blow out lump sum indistinguishable price and we're all happy!

 

[RHutch]

For me personally I was interested in this scope for a 6.5CM whitetail gun as I genuinely like the features it has. In particular the large elevation knob, I love that about the USOs but Im not ready for a 2K scope. There are a ton of features that many are interested in but at the end of the day for a 1500 street price at this time, for 200-300 more you will be able to get the new 3-18 vortex razor. It will have at least as good of glass as this scope, higher mag range, illuminated reticle, more elevation(not really necessary in a hunting scope but would be nice should I decide to strap it on an ELR rig) and a better warranty. That's a lot of for only a couple hundred more.

Don't forget that the razor weighs 46 ounces or thereabouts.
Hardly a contender for a typical hunting rifle.

 

[SFree]

It's amazing to me how judgement is passed on something that has not even been in the hands of it's detractors...

 

[1slow01z71]

Don't forget that the razor weighs 46 ounces or thereabouts.
Hardly a contender for a typical hunting rifle.

I walk 300yds from my truck to the stand, if I'm scouting then its a few miles. Luckily thrres companies that make nice padded slings, biathlon slings, packs with rifle sheaths and the ever-present gym to get your ass in shape. A pound and a half isnt going to make it or break it for me. When I elk hunt in NM or CO I'm carrying 40#s of gear anyway so an extra pound isnt even going to be noticeable.

Reminds me of the corvette guys who pay an extra grand for titanium exhaust for the 10# weight savings over stainless but theyre pushing 300+.

 

[A10XRIFLE]

It's amazing to me how judgement is past on something that has not even been in the hands of it's detractors...

I agree, there are plenty of good scopes out there, agreed. None of them have the specs of this scope at this price! The ones that are being touted as on par or better are not. Guys that get them will tell you all about them. Pat has a real good test thread going on another web site. Hopefully he will share it all with you. I'm getting one into Franks hands soon and I know he will test it hard.


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[psinclair]

I walk 300yds from my truck to the stand, if I'm scouting then its a few miles. Luckily thrres companies that make nice padded slings, biathlon slings, packs with rifle sheaths and the ever-present gym to get your ass in shape. A pound and a half isnt going to make it or break it for me. When I elk hunt in NM or CO I'm carrying 40#s of gear anyway so an extra pound isnt even going to be noticeable.

Reminds me of the corvette guys who pay an extra grand for titanium exhaust for the 10# weight savings over stainless but theyre pushing 300+.

Go on a sheep hunt.....

 

[Ultraman550]

This is extremely off topic and probably a stupid question but is Pat Sinclaire the Sinclaire that's associated with Brownells?

 

[RHutch]

I walk 300yds from my truck to the stand, if I'm scouting then its a few miles. Luckily thrres companies that make nice padded slings, biathlon slings, packs with rifle sheaths and the ever-present gym to get your ass in shape. A pound and a half isnt going to make it or break it for me. When I elk hunt in NM or CO I'm carrying 40#s of gear anyway so an extra pound isnt even going to be noticeable.

Reminds me of the corvette guys who pay an extra grand for titanium exhaust for the 10# weight savings over stainless but theyre pushing 300+.

My comment was towards a "typical" hunting rifle in a "typical" weight class. Say 7-9 lbs, bare rilfe. That is typical. The Razor, while I assume is a fine scope, is a pig and would throw off the balance by a huge margin. If you choose to hunt with a heavy rifle that can support the balance weight of the Razor, more power to you. I dont have to and choose not to. Leaves more pack weight for me to tote my twinkies and snickers for my fat ass self.

 

[Huntr]

Go on a sheep hunt.....

Amen!

 

[AIS]

I have a 7 saum that will be here tomorrow night from Bryant Customs and a NoN typical from the GAP boys on order. Put me down for at least one of these boys for my hunting guns!! Im IN!

 

[SRSDriver]

What will make or break this optic is what the actual street price ends up being. People that want to be first will always pay a premium which it seems you will be if you buy from George for the initial run. Im sure since he essentially designed it and is very happy with it, it will deliver a very high quality fit and finish. I think most understand what MAP is and its there for good reason but as most have noted we as consumers could care less what MAP is. We care about what comes out of our bank account.

For me personally I was interested in this scope for a 6.5CM whitetail gun as I genuinely like the features it has. In particular the large elevation knob, I love that about the USOs but Im not ready for a 2K scope. There are a ton of features that many are interested in but at the end of the day for a 1500 street price at this time, for 200-300 more you will be able to get the new 3-18 vortex razor. It will have at least as good of glass as this scope, higher mag range, illuminated reticle, more elevation(not really necessary in a hunting scope but would be nice should I decide to strap it on an ELR rig) and a better warranty. That's a lot of for only a couple hundred more.

This scope will be a success or failure depending on what the actual street price is. George is shackled by the MAP and in all honesty will probably be able to sell all 200 units for 1500. There is a large group on here and his customers that have to have the newest thing immediately. There is a large group of us that sit back and wait for reviews to be good and the price to settle to the market value. Im of the latter group and Im sure many are as well. If this scope comes down into the 1200ish range then I will buy one. At 1500 its too close to even better scopes, just my useless opinion as someone who is slowly dumping his lower end vortex scopes for higher end stuff.

I don't think anyone means any disrespect to George and Pat(well maybe turdcutter but hes being his usual abrasive self) with all their work that has gone into this scope, I just think most were counting on it being closer to HDMR territory. Again this initial offering seems to be due to MAP, street price will dictate the success of this scope which sounds like we wont find out til late next year.

You can mount one of these on each side of your quad rail and still weigh less than the new vortex. And I have plenty of vortex on my guns.

I'd buy a premier light tactical if I could find one - And they cost a lot more than this. I'll buy it at MAP now, as I have a need for an FFP optic that is light weight, 10 mils on a rev, with a good mil reticle and minimum 12x magnification. Capped windage is great. Id love, and occasionally use illumination, but can make do without it.

 

[psinclair]

This is extremely off topic and probably a stupid question but is Pat Sinclaire the Sinclaire that's associated with Brownells?

No.

 

[knockemdown]

It's amazing to me how judgement is past on something that has not even been in the hands of it's detractors...

George opened up the floor asking what scopes where perceived to be comparable with this new Bushy.
Answering that question with sincerity is not passing judgement, or being a detractor. Quite the contrary, that type of constructive criticism might be of some value, especially when potential customers are shying away from a purchase, based on the aforementioned.

ccoker made a valid point. "IF" the glass is as good as "$2500 glass", regarding brightness, edge to edge clarity, depth of field, then these will sell like hotcakes based on that alone. But I'm not gonna jump at $1000 'free lunch' in glass quality until I see it for myself.

Frankly, every scope ever released is touted as having glass comparable to $xxxx glass, so that comes off as a hollow sales pitch. Surely most of us have learned by now that if a scope has $2500 glass, the scope is gonna cost ya $2500 to own.

No axe to grind, just an honest opinion from a Bushy fan/owner, GAP fan/owner and potential buyer.

Edit: the LRF package is a great idea, hadn't seen that option when posting. Definitely adds appeal to the deal...

 

[XTR]

To me it looks like Bushnell has really been stepping up for the last few yrs. I've got one of the old green writing FFP 4-12s that was pretty darned good for the price point. I run it as a hunting scope on my 7-08.

If there were two things I would like to see changed on the scope I have it would be to lose the tall knobs, and the mil dot reticle. (though for a hunting scope it's not really a problem) Looks like this scope does exactly that. I love that they didn't go with a big honking heavy 50mm objective. I really don't like them on hunting rifles, they make you set the whole scope higher (can you say adjustable cheek) and they add a lot of weight. None of my hunting rifles wear one.

I think this looks like a darned nice package. The price may be a bit rich but we'll see how that works out.

 

[Kiba]

George, a question. Assuming this scope is loosely based off the current 3-12 x 44 FFP, has anything been done on the LRHS to address the very tight & picky eyebox of the current 3-12 x 44 FFP up around 11-12x? I may be completely wrong on my assumption the LRHS carries any design elements over from the current 3-12 FFP but the question about the eyebox at maximum magnification remains.

 

[5RWill]

To me it looks like Bushnell has really been stepping up for the last few yrs. I've got one of the old green writing FFP 4-12s that was pretty darned good for the price point. I run it as a hunting scope on my 7-08.

If there were two things I would like to see changed on the scope I have it would be to lose the tall knobs, and the mil dot reticle. (though for a hunting scope it's not really a problem) Looks like this scope does exactly that. I love that they didn't go with a big honking heavy 50mm objective. I really don't like them on hunting rifles, they make you set the whole scope higher (can you say adjustable cheek) and they add a lot of weight. None of my hunting rifles wear one.

I think this looks like a darned nice package. The price may be a bit rich but we'll see how that works out.

Agreed. I've come to prefer 44mm to all my 50s. Even then my SN-3 is heavy as hell. If some are willing to wait i think finding these for 1200$ wont be a problem.

 

[SFree]

Knockemdown,
"Until I see it for myself" is the exact point I was making.
"Bushnell" left a bad taste in my mouth also until I got behind my own XRS and now I have my own real world experience with them. That's after having owned 2 S&B's. Will I ever own another S&B? Doubtful as I paid less than $2k for either of them 3 years ago and now they are way overpriced for what they are. Does the glass compare, probably not quite, but good enough and I know the functions of the rest of the scope are as good for over a grand less.
Knowing that Bushnell=Bausch&Lomb is info I'd not realized and makes it even more interesting as B&L were fantastic products way back when. This new offering could set a standard in product offerings where the customer has valid and actual input the manufacturer acts upon. Aint too many others I've seen even care.

 

[XTR]

Knockemdown,
...Aint too many others I've seen even care.

I've noticed that several in the last yr or so have tried to bring a product to market that was what the shooters wanted.

Most recently NF came out with the Competition model for F and BR shooters after getting the message that the NXS and BR models were too heavy. I'm betting they make some more changes to the new one in the next yr or so based on input.

Bushy came out with two scopes in higher mag variables with non illuminated G2MR reticles. They were able to bring good scopes with good reticles to market at a price point that was very competitive.

March... Kelby was in here a few weeks ago asking what modifications people would want to the specs of one of their scopes.

USO... Well, they'll make pretty much anything you want any way you want it. All you have to do is pay for it. (hey one off scopes should not be cheap)

SWFA the reticle in their 1-6 looks like they paid a lot of attention.

Leupy... Believe it or not. Leupold has actually been working with some members of the US F-TR team to bring a new target scope to market. A couple of the guys were running a prototype at the Nationals/Worlds at Raton this yr. (I actually got to shoot Stan Pate's once or twice in a match, but that's another story)


I think there are actually some folks paying attention. They may not be making the scope you want yet, but chances are that if the ideas you have line up with most everyone elses then you may just see it. (Personally I'm hoping that NF redesignes the reticle in the Competition series, or that the new Leupy rocks, still haven't seen the production reticle there)

 

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I wanted to throw something else into this thread as some are obviously unaware of it. Bushnell Tactical/Elite has the best. Yes the "BEST" warranty in the scope business. Their Bullet Proof warranty is this:

For 1 year from purchase if you don't like the scope send it back and with the reason for your dissatisfaction and they will refund the purchase price. After 1 year it has a lifetime warranty on repairs.

What else could you ask for??

George
G.A. Precision

 

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XTR,
Thank you for those updates and examples, yet, how many YEARS did it take for Leupold and possibly some of the others to bring those advancements to the public. Bushnell has put this one forward in a matter of months...