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Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
Here is what I saw...
Nightforce delivered on the Beast, I was really happy with what I saw and I cannot wait to get mine... the ATACR was a big hit too. Lots people were buzzing over that, the booth was 5 deep all week.
USO, won the 1-8x wars, it's the best 1-8x on the market to date.
Hensoldt, their 3.5-26x was pretty kick ass... and their Zeiss line was a nice little scope for people
S&Bs, yawn all away around... not to mention the stupid $6k price tags.
Kahles added a MSR type reticle, and made an improvement to their glass in the K624, their 1-6x was a huge hit. It was a constant 3GUN Shooter parade at their booth.
Bushnell released the spotters, the new 1 mile lasers are an improvement on the Arc 1600 line. They got rid of the blue tint, and improved the view, it look much nicer. They changed the display a bit so the blue was not longer needed to provide contract.
The new HDMR added 30 degrees of focus rotation, a zero stop and 10 mils per turn...
Other than that, is a lot of the same stuff from either last year or earlier this year. But then again, I did drink so I could be forgetting something.
Here is what I saw...
Nightforce delivered on the Beast, I was really happy with what I saw and I cannot wait to get mine... the ATACR was a big hit too. Lots people were buzzing over that, the booth was 5 deep all week.
USO, won the 1-8x wars, it's the best 1-8x on the market to date.
Hensoldt, their 3.5-26x was pretty kick ass... and their Zeiss line was a nice little scope for people
S&Bs, yawn all away around... not to mention the stupid $6k price tags.
Kahles added a MSR type reticle, and made an improvement to their glass in the K624, their 1-6x was a huge hit. It was a constant 3GUN Shooter parade at their booth.
Bushnell released the spotters, the new 1 mile lasers are an improvement on the Arc 1600 line. They got rid of the blue tint, and improved the view, it look much nicer. They changed the display a bit so the blue was not longer needed to provide contract.
The new HDMR added 30 degrees of focus rotation, a zero stop and 10 mils per turn...
Other than that, is a lot of the same stuff from either last year or earlier this year. But then again, I did drink so I could be forgetting something.
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
Not to mention, Lowlight gets the best dressed award for the 9th year in a row. Even when he was casual, like today, he was sporting a vest and beanie cap that would make any GQ fan proud.
The norm is a full dress suit, though. He needs a nickname, like "Franco Suave'
Not to mention, Lowlight gets the best dressed award for the 9th year in a row. Even when he was casual, like today, he was sporting a vest and beanie cap that would make any GQ fan proud.
The norm is a full dress suit, though. He needs a nickname, like "Franco Suave'
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
LOL thanks Scott,
P123 I forgot to ask, by the time I was there and able to talk to someone, it was today when I was getting ready to leave.
They were really busy all week, the whole show I felt was packed everywhere I wanted too go.
LOL thanks Scott,
P123 I forgot to ask, by the time I was there and able to talk to someone, it was today when I was getting ready to leave.
They were really busy all week, the whole show I felt was packed everywhere I wanted too go.
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
How in the hell did kahles make the glass better in that scope!?! God damn voodoo magic!
How in the hell did kahles make the glass better in that scope!?! God damn voodoo magic!
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What was the price tag on the Henny 26x LL?
</div></div>
"About 5K"
-- the man from Cassidian
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What was the price tag on the Henny 26x LL?
</div></div>
"About 5K"
-- the man from Cassidian
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LibertyOptics</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What was the price tag on the Henny 26x LL?
</div></div>
"About 5K"
-- the man from Cassidian </div></div>
Bahahahha ya they can kiss my ass. Your right Lowlight.....the Beast is the best optic on the market. S&B and Henny have lost their god damn minds.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LibertyOptics</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What was the price tag on the Henny 26x LL?
</div></div>
"About 5K"
-- the man from Cassidian </div></div>
Bahahahha ya they can kiss my ass. Your right Lowlight.....the Beast is the best optic on the market. S&B and Henny have lost their god damn minds.
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is what I saw...
Nightforce delivered on the Beast, I was really happy with what I saw and I cannot wait to get mine... the ATACR was a big hit too. Lots people were buzzing over that, the booth was 5 deep all week.
USO, won the 1-8x wars, it's the best 1-8x on the market to date.
Hensoldt, their 3.5-26x was pretty kick ass... and their Zeiss line was a nice little scope for people
S&Bs, yawn all away around... not to mention the stupid $6k price tags.
Kahles added a MSR type reticle, and made an improvement to their glass in the K624, their 1-6x was a huge hit. It was a constant 3GUN Shooter parade at their booth.
Bushnell released the spotters, the new 1 mile lasers are an improvement on the Arc 1600 line. They got rid of the blue tint, and improved the view, it look much nicer. They changed the display a bit so the blue was not longer needed to provide contract.
<span style="font-weight: bold">The new HDMR added 30 degrees of focus rotation, a zero stop and 10 mils per turn</span>...
Other than that, is a lot of the same stuff from either last year or earlier this year. But then again, I did drink so I could be forgetting something. </div></div>
Are you speaking on the newer 3.5-21x Elite's? I was very much hoping they'd fix the 2 glaring misses on the first versions, although i am a huge fan of the reticle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is what I saw...
Nightforce delivered on the Beast, I was really happy with what I saw and I cannot wait to get mine... the ATACR was a big hit too. Lots people were buzzing over that, the booth was 5 deep all week.
USO, won the 1-8x wars, it's the best 1-8x on the market to date.
Hensoldt, their 3.5-26x was pretty kick ass... and their Zeiss line was a nice little scope for people
S&Bs, yawn all away around... not to mention the stupid $6k price tags.
Kahles added a MSR type reticle, and made an improvement to their glass in the K624, their 1-6x was a huge hit. It was a constant 3GUN Shooter parade at their booth.
Bushnell released the spotters, the new 1 mile lasers are an improvement on the Arc 1600 line. They got rid of the blue tint, and improved the view, it look much nicer. They changed the display a bit so the blue was not longer needed to provide contract.
<span style="font-weight: bold">The new HDMR added 30 degrees of focus rotation, a zero stop and 10 mils per turn</span>...
Other than that, is a lot of the same stuff from either last year or earlier this year. But then again, I did drink so I could be forgetting something. </div></div>
Are you speaking on the newer 3.5-21x Elite's? I was very much hoping they'd fix the 2 glaring misses on the first versions, although i am a huge fan of the reticle.
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
Hey Scott/Lowlight:
Can you speak on the 3.5-21x50 ERS (zero stop/10 mils) and the 1-8.5 Bushnell's and the impressions you got if you happened to look through both?
I absolutely loved their last offerings with the 1-6.5x and EBR reticles plus the G2's on the 3.5-21's. Bushnell has really stepped up their game the past few years and i've been nothing short of blown away given they're coming in anywhere from 1k to 1.5k.
Hey Scott/Lowlight:
Can you speak on the 3.5-21x50 ERS (zero stop/10 mils) and the 1-8.5 Bushnell's and the impressions you got if you happened to look through both?
I absolutely loved their last offerings with the 1-6.5x and EBR reticles plus the G2's on the 3.5-21's. Bushnell has really stepped up their game the past few years and i've been nothing short of blown away given they're coming in anywhere from 1k to 1.5k.
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
USO, won the 1-8x wars, it's the best 1-8x on the market to date.
</div></div>
In what sense USO is better than e.g. S&B 1-8?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
USO, won the 1-8x wars, it's the best 1-8x on the market to date.
</div></div>
In what sense USO is better than e.g. S&B 1-8?
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
USO, won the 1-8x wars, it's the best 1-8x on the market to date.
</div></div>
In what sense USO is better than e.g. S&B 1-8? </div></div>
Besides the fact it actually exists?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
USO, won the 1-8x wars, it's the best 1-8x on the market to date.
</div></div>
In what sense USO is better than e.g. S&B 1-8? </div></div>
Besides the fact it actually exists?
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
BEAST vs Heny 3.5-26 , YEAP , as they are both around the same price for me in New Zealand , my vote goes to the Heny .
And yeap , 6k BS price from S&B , they can piss off .
Later Chris
BEAST vs Heny 3.5-26 , YEAP , as they are both around the same price for me in New Zealand , my vote goes to the Heny .
And yeap , 6k BS price from S&B , they can piss off .
Later Chris
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
USO, won the 1-8x wars, it's the best 1-8x on the market to date.
</div></div>
In what sense USO is better than e.g. S&B 1-8? </div></div>
Or the Leupold Mk 8 CQBSS ?
Irrespective of price?
I think many people are interested.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
USO, won the 1-8x wars, it's the best 1-8x on the market to date.
</div></div>
In what sense USO is better than e.g. S&B 1-8? </div></div>
Or the Leupold Mk 8 CQBSS ?
Irrespective of price?
I think many people are interested.
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
The Bushnell's continue their evolution.
We will carry the 3.5-21x50 with 10mil turrets and zero stop, in flat dark earth and black, as well as the original 5mil turret non-ZS model. Adding the ZS and 10mil turrets adds $550 to the original HDMR, +$50 for the FDE model.
The 4.5-30x50 was very good. Unlike the original 4.5-30x50 elite 6500, the glass handled the 30x magnification much better than I thought it would. Price is +$700 over the original 3.5-21x50 HDMR. Black only for us.
I thought the 1-8.5x was excellent, and it's debut has been under-reported, IMO. It had a new fiery orange daylight bright illumination, lo-profile mil exposed knobs and BTR-2 mil FFP reticle.
Price is the downside...the same price as the 4.5-30x!
Scott
The Bushnell's continue their evolution.
We will carry the 3.5-21x50 with 10mil turrets and zero stop, in flat dark earth and black, as well as the original 5mil turret non-ZS model. Adding the ZS and 10mil turrets adds $550 to the original HDMR, +$50 for the FDE model.
The 4.5-30x50 was very good. Unlike the original 4.5-30x50 elite 6500, the glass handled the 30x magnification much better than I thought it would. Price is +$700 over the original 3.5-21x50 HDMR. Black only for us.
I thought the 1-8.5x was excellent, and it's debut has been under-reported, IMO. It had a new fiery orange daylight bright illumination, lo-profile mil exposed knobs and BTR-2 mil FFP reticle.
Price is the downside...the same price as the 4.5-30x!
Scott
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
The USO was actually independently tested and is a true one power, many claim to be but are not. Also it was determined to be the highest light transmitting scope of it's kind and they have tested them all. It also comes in three flavors the S the M and the C version. Great FOV and travel and although you said it not a criteria it is the least expensive of all the competition.....oh and not that it's important but it's made by a very special people in a very special place........AMERICAN's in AMERICA.
The USO was actually independently tested and is a true one power, many claim to be but are not. Also it was determined to be the highest light transmitting scope of it's kind and they have tested them all. It also comes in three flavors the S the M and the C version. Great FOV and travel and although you said it not a criteria it is the least expensive of all the competition.....oh and not that it's important but it's made by a very special people in a very special place........AMERICAN's in AMERICA.
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
LMAO, On Tuesday when I saw him at the AI booth I thought he was some kind big celebrity! I think he might be in contention for "The most interesting man in the world"
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LibertyOptics</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not to mention, Lowlight gets the best dressed award for the 9th year in a row. Even when he was casual, like today, he was sporting a vest and beanie cap that would make any GQ fan proud.
The norm is a full dress suit, though. He needs a nickname, like "Franco Suave'
</div></div>
LMAO, On Tuesday when I saw him at the AI booth I thought he was some kind big celebrity! I think he might be in contention for "The most interesting man in the world"
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LibertyOptics</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not to mention, Lowlight gets the best dressed award for the 9th year in a row. Even when he was casual, like today, he was sporting a vest and beanie cap that would make any GQ fan proud.
The norm is a full dress suit, though. He needs a nickname, like "Franco Suave'
</div></div>
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
Lol. I nearly stepped on him once texting while walking. If it wasn't for that shiny dome it would have been a bad day.
Lol. I nearly stepped on him once texting while walking. If it wasn't for that shiny dome it would have been a bad day.
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...USO, won the 1-8x wars, it's the best 1-8x on the market to date. ...</div></div>
Considering features and quality only, not price, can you specify what truly distinguishes the US Optics 1-8x27mm CDMIL over the Leupold Mark 8 1.1-8x24 Horus H27D?
Having not been able to examine either, all I have are a few distinguishing specs scattered on the internet:
USO has capped turrets, Leupold does not;
USO illumination controls are push-button, Leupold uses one rotating knob; and
USO illuminates crosshairs, Leupold illuminates a circle dot.
Addendum: More recent pix show that the USO also has an illuminated circle.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3832028#Post3832028
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...USO, won the 1-8x wars, it's the best 1-8x on the market to date. ...</div></div>
Considering features and quality only, not price, can you specify what truly distinguishes the US Optics 1-8x27mm CDMIL over the Leupold Mark 8 1.1-8x24 Horus H27D?
Having not been able to examine either, all I have are a few distinguishing specs scattered on the internet:
USO has capped turrets, Leupold does not;
USO illumination controls are push-button, Leupold uses one rotating knob; and
USO illuminates crosshairs, Leupold illuminates a circle dot.
Addendum: More recent pix show that the USO also has an illuminated circle.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3832028#Post3832028
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LibertyOptics</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What was the price tag on the Henny 26x LL?
</div></div>
"About 5K"
-- the man from Cassidian </div></div>
Bahahahha ya they can kiss my ass. Your right Lowlight.....the Beast is the best optic on the market. S&B and Henny have lost their god damn minds. </div></div>
dont forget the kahles. at 3k there a bargain compared to the rest.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LibertyOptics</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What was the price tag on the Henny 26x LL?
</div></div>
"About 5K"
-- the man from Cassidian </div></div>
Bahahahha ya they can kiss my ass. Your right Lowlight.....the Beast is the best optic on the market. S&B and Henny have lost their god damn minds. </div></div>
dont forget the kahles. at 3k there a bargain compared to the rest.
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
For my money it's hard to beat the Razor HD which comes in under 2K and has all the features you can want in a higher power scope. People are paying 3 and 4 grand for optics that are simply not twice as good.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/548593/...th-shadow-black
For my money it's hard to beat the Razor HD which comes in under 2K and has all the features you can want in a higher power scope. People are paying 3 and 4 grand for optics that are simply not twice as good.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/548593/...th-shadow-black
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Ya, Kahles is definitely a player now, the 3GUN guys were all over the 1-6x and they are working to improve the K624i, adding reticles etc.
Interesting conversation we were having with Eduardo Abril De Fontcuberta who released his book on Sniping Drills (includes the SH Dot Drill), because the Parallax is on top under the elevation he was talking to Kahles about putting the windage on the left side for support hand use.
When you think about it, it's the smart way to operate, you have the illumination, move that the right, and the windage left, the scope would be similar to what USO did, but now in a European variety.
The new MSR Type reticle was good for guys who want to range with that .1 scale, next step is to get them to increase the illumination amount to more points.
Ya, Kahles is definitely a player now, the 3GUN guys were all over the 1-6x and they are working to improve the K624i, adding reticles etc.
Interesting conversation we were having with Eduardo Abril De Fontcuberta who released his book on Sniping Drills (includes the SH Dot Drill), because the Parallax is on top under the elevation he was talking to Kahles about putting the windage on the left side for support hand use.
When you think about it, it's the smart way to operate, you have the illumination, move that the right, and the windage left, the scope would be similar to what USO did, but now in a European variety.
The new MSR Type reticle was good for guys who want to range with that .1 scale, next step is to get them to increase the illumination amount to more points.
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
LL
ill be interested to see your view of k624i vs beast once you get one. i know you have a couple kahles now and from what i have read, you really like them.
LL
ill be interested to see your view of k624i vs beast once you get one. i know you have a couple kahles now and from what i have read, you really like them.
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
Well that is pretty easy it is gonna come down to whether or not you like the turret set up on the NF.
They have added some features for sure, fully illuminated reticle, green or red, NV capable settings. It's still 3/4" shorter than the S&B, and has the same 34mm tube, so it's all about the turrets.
Do you want the locks, brakes, lever... or not.
Well that is pretty easy it is gonna come down to whether or not you like the turret set up on the NF.
They have added some features for sure, fully illuminated reticle, green or red, NV capable settings. It's still 3/4" shorter than the S&B, and has the same 34mm tube, so it's all about the turrets.
Do you want the locks, brakes, lever... or not.
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Did kahles say anything about doing reticle swaps in the future, and if so a price on it?
Did kahles say anything about doing reticle swaps in the future, and if so a price on it?
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mendy300wm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did kahles say anything about doing reticle swaps in the future, and if so a price on it? </div></div>
yes, i cant remember if they are doing it already or will be doing it. the price was reasonable if i remember like 300ish.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mendy300wm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did kahles say anything about doing reticle swaps in the future, and if so a price on it? </div></div>
yes, i cant remember if they are doing it already or will be doing it. the price was reasonable if i remember like 300ish.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kiba</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody get a picture of the new Kahles 624 reticle? </div></div>
they are going to have the msr and there is word of this reticle on the dta forum. http://www.dtacomlink.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3294&start=30
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kiba</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody get a picture of the new Kahles 624 reticle? </div></div>
they are going to have the msr and there is word of this reticle on the dta forum. http://www.dtacomlink.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3294&start=30
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jackinfl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any reports on the 1-8 Bushnell tactical? </div></div>
I noticed that the Bushnell had elevation adjustment of 60 moa compared to the CQBSS's 150 moa.
http://www.bushnell.com/tactical/rifle-scopes/elite-tactical/smrs-1-8-5x-24mm
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jackinfl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any reports on the 1-8 Bushnell tactical? </div></div>
I noticed that the Bushnell had elevation adjustment of 60 moa compared to the CQBSS's 150 moa.
http://www.bushnell.com/tactical/rifle-scopes/elite-tactical/smrs-1-8-5x-24mm
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: springer01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any idea on price on the new Bushnell Spotter? </div></div>
Same here. I'm in the market for a spotter and would like to have an idea of the cost on one with reticle but minus the rails if that's an option. Also, when are they supposed to be available.
Scott, are you going to be stocking the new spotters?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: springer01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any idea on price on the new Bushnell Spotter? </div></div>
Same here. I'm in the market for a spotter and would like to have an idea of the cost on one with reticle but minus the rails if that's an option. Also, when are they supposed to be available.
Scott, are you going to be stocking the new spotters?
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what about a retrofit of the 10 mil knobs and zero stops on existing 3.5-21 HDMRS? anyone ask that.
Dustin
what about a retrofit of the 10 mil knobs and zero stops on existing 3.5-21 HDMRS? anyone ask that.
Dustin
Re: New Optics from SHOT 2013
I found this at SHOT it was pretty interesting and worth the watch.
http://vimeo.com/53703773
Nothing on the Bushnell retrofit, Monday I can email Tom and ask.
I found this at SHOT it was pretty interesting and worth the watch.
http://vimeo.com/53703773
Nothing on the Bushnell retrofit, Monday I can email Tom and ask.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LibertyOptics</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
....
The 4.5-30x50 was very good. Unlike the original 4.5-30x50 elite 6500, the glass handled the 30x magnification much better than I thought it would. Price is +$700 over the original 3.5-21x50 HDMR. Black only for us.
I thought the 1-8.5x was excellent, and it's debut has been under-reported, IMO. It had a new fiery orange daylight bright illumination, lo-profile mil exposed knobs and BTR-2 mil FFP ....
Scott </div></div>
Did the glass in the 4.5-30 appear to be the same as the original HDMR or did you notice/hear about any difference?
Curious about the 1-8.5 as well... Optically was it similar or better than the current 1-6.5 SMRS?
Im glad to see they've taken that mag range to the next level. I wish they would consider doing similar to the 2.5-16 or with new mag range if its a possibility
2-17x/1.75-14x/1.5-12x. it might be a bit over kill since they've covered so much range with the 3.5-21. I think if they did a 2x or below in a similar compact with the nicer glass,turrets and reticle choices it would do well as long as they slightly lowered the bottom end to differentiate from the HMDR.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LibertyOptics</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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The 4.5-30x50 was very good. Unlike the original 4.5-30x50 elite 6500, the glass handled the 30x magnification much better than I thought it would. Price is +$700 over the original 3.5-21x50 HDMR. Black only for us.
I thought the 1-8.5x was excellent, and it's debut has been under-reported, IMO. It had a new fiery orange daylight bright illumination, lo-profile mil exposed knobs and BTR-2 mil FFP ....
Scott </div></div>
Did the glass in the 4.5-30 appear to be the same as the original HDMR or did you notice/hear about any difference?
Curious about the 1-8.5 as well... Optically was it similar or better than the current 1-6.5 SMRS?
Im glad to see they've taken that mag range to the next level. I wish they would consider doing similar to the 2.5-16 or with new mag range if its a possibility
2-17x/1.75-14x/1.5-12x. it might be a bit over kill since they've covered so much range with the 3.5-21. I think if they did a 2x or below in a similar compact with the nicer glass,turrets and reticle choices it would do well as long as they slightly lowered the bottom end to differentiate from the HMDR.
