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He lost me at Zero friction.
I was not referring to the video but your website. Don't get me wrong, I love your products (funnel system and billet cup for RCBS 1500) but the engineer in me bristles at claims of zero friction in anything (see bolded portion of quote below). It may very well become the best thing since sliced bread but, claims defying physical laws turn me off. From your website on the new press: "As the quality and precision of reloading equipment has advanced in the last few years (AMP Annealers, AutoTricklers, Giraud Trimmers, IDOD Neck Turners, Primal Rights Priming Tools) we have watched companies overlook the core of the bench – the press. In late 2019 we began R&D on perfecting the precision reloading press – and we are happy to introduce the ZERO. It is the embodiment of our pursuit of ZERO tolerance reloading, with ZERO friction. The turret press also works toward ZERO variance in die setup. It will have ZERO equal on the market. "I don't think we said one time that the press would have zero friction. Nor did we ever say it would be zero tolerance. What we did say, however, and absolutely stand by, is that we are seriously pursuing those things. I guarantee you, absolutely, that the smooth feeling of running this press will blow you away.
I was not referring to the video but your website. Don't get me wrong, I love your products (funnel system and billet cup for RCBS 1500) but the engineer in me bristles at claims of zero friction in anything (see bolded portion of quote below). It may very well become the best thing since sliced bread but, claims defying physical laws turn me off. From your website on the new press: "As the quality and precision of reloading equipment has advanced in the last few years (AMP Annealers, AutoTricklers, Giraud Trimmers, IDOD Neck Turners, Primal Rights Priming Tools) we have watched companies overlook the core of the bench – the press. In late 2019 we began R&D on perfecting the precision reloading press – and we are happy to introduce the ZERO. It is the embodiment of our pursuit of ZERO tolerance reloading, with ZERO friction. The turret press also works toward ZERO variance in die setup. It will have ZERO equal on the market. "
So is this a turret press? From the looks of the picture, I see 9 stages?
The upside to the turret being locked in place is the ability to get rid of play that is required for quick-index. To index to another die this is going to require you to turn a t-handle about 1/4 turn to relieve the pressure keeping the turret perfectly seated against the center column.It is, but it's not quick index like a T7, sadly. I'm not really sure what the benefits are of having a turret without this. I guess it gives you a place to leave some of your dies.
It is, but it's not quick index like a T7, sadly. I'm not really sure what the benefits are of having a turret without this. I guess it gives you a place to leave some of your dies.
Sizing dies are not repeatable with co-ax?I can leave 9 dies in one head that (theoretically) will index and behave the same way every time.
Even with my co-ax, anytime I change dies for sizing I need to check shoulder bump. Sometimes I need to tweak and sometimes I don’t.
This eliminates that.
Sizing dies are not repeatable with co-ax?
My buddy has had that issue with his co ax.Sizing dies are not repeatable with co-ax?
Sizing dies are not repeatable with co-ax?
My buddy has had that issue with his co ax.
We tried a few different lock rings and that was the issue, some lock rings don’t have flats perfectly flat or Perpendicular to the thread axis.
I’m using Forster rings. They are pretty close most of the time.
The design isn’t going to lend to them being perfect every time.
This is 100% the reason for us going to the trouble of an indexable head. We don't want the quick-change or play in the head that most associate with a turret, we just want people to be able to stop taking dies out and putting them back in. It's likely the most common place people encounter error, and many don't think about it.
Honest.I suck at both what does that make me? ????
You seem very defensive. I did not argue about a single thing here. So far the only thing that I said that 1200$ is a lot of money. I also asked what makes this press different/better to free floating model because I am curious and I dont know how this stuff works. So far replies have been pretty shitty and rude.No. They are not perfectly repeatable every time. Co-ax has vertical play.
Quit trying to argue every point without providing anything meaningful to the conversation.
I found some(not the majority) of lock ring must have had some stress in the material or something as at the area where the cut is made they had a slight lock washer profile.I’m using Forster rings. They are pretty close most of the time.
The design isn’t going to lend to them being perfect every time.
You seem very defensive. I did not argue about a single thing here. So far the only thing that I said that 1200$ is a lot of money. I also asked what makes this press different/better to free floating model because I am curious and I dont know how this stuff works. So far replies have been pretty shitty and rude.
I am not arguing about anything I am asking about how stuff works because I am genuinely curious. Seems that me asking questions is some kind of affront.
So what I said was: "Single stage press for 1200 bucks? "You started off with a shitty “$1200 for a single stage press” comment. Phrase your questions in a less shitty manner and you’ll get less shitty answers.
You’ve been a member far too long to play the “I’m just asking” card. Cut the shit.
So what I said was: "Single stage press for 1200 bucks? "
And I asked some questions how it work and what makes it superior to other popular presses. I got a bunch of passive aggressive bullshit.
Why are you mad about me asking what makes it worth 1200 dollars?
You missed that little question mark at the end of my stentence. Are you familiar with what a question mark at the end of the sentence denotes?“A single stage press for $1200” is much different than “What makes this different and worth $1200?”
Again, you get the response in the way you ask.
Last time I will tell you to stop your passive aggressive “questions.”
You missed that little question mark at the end of my stentence. Are you familiar with what a question mark at the end of the sentence denotes?
If I'm understanding correctly, is it because the slot on the coax is not perfectly square and then the lock ring isn't perfectly flat, so the tolerances stack up?I can leave 9 dies in one head that (theoretically) will index and behave the same way every time.
Even with my co-ax, anytime I change dies for sizing I need to check shoulder bump. Sometimes I need to tweak and sometimes I don’t.
This eliminates that.
If I'm understanding correctly, is it because the slot on the coax is not perfectly square and then the lock ring isn't perfectly flat, so the tolerances stack up?
Can you provide a description (and pics!) about how your "mounting plate" (is that a cutting board?) for the press connects to your bench?
Lol.. yea one thing about Redding presses, that textured finish gets dirty quick if you touch it with dirty hands. I always use the turret handle. Oh and yea, I always use latex shop gloves from O’Reileys too when I reload.Your T7 is way too clean!
Nice setup.A turret style press is great. Especially if you want to check for consistency on the fly. And with different calibers all dies setup on one turret head. Once all set, no need to fuck around with them. I always check after sizing and seating every third round for consistency with a spin of the turret. Hits the mark all the time..lol. That’s why I think this 419 press with 9 stages leaves room for more work flow..
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I always use the turret handle.
I routered in some T-tracks on my bench to make room. By removing or sliding my presses. I can even locked down other tools too.. sorry some old picture..
Yea my reloading bench is small. Had to improvise.. lol.That's a great way to go.
I routered in some T-tracks on my bench to make room. By removing or sliding my presses. I can even locked down other tools too.. sorry some old picture..
verrrry nice!
LolCheck out Gavin Toobe or “ultimate reloader.”
His setup will make you cry.
Lol
He drives me batty but his setup of awesome!
I had a feeling it was him when you guys talked about a press reviewer in your release video. I think he does a great job with his reviews and I find them informative. There is something that kinda bugs me about him that I can’t put my finger on, but all in all he does great with good production value.I have a feeling you'll see a Zero on his bench for review/test before terribly long
hes gonna mayzure everything on that puppyI had a feeling it was him when you guys talked about a press reviewer in your release video. I think he does a great job with his reviews and I find them informative. There is something that kinda bugs me about him that I can’t put my finger on, but all in all he does great with good production value.
He could start by finding a decent barber. If that’s what you mean.I had a feeling it was him when you guys talked about a press reviewer in your release video. I think he does a great job with his reviews and I find them informative. There is something that kinda bugs me about him that I can’t put my finger on, but all in all he does great with good production value.
Lol
He drives me batty but his setup of awesome!
Agreed with the needing to keep all equipment up to standard.
I’d imagine though, the people buying this press already have things like AMP, Fx120 or Prometheus, hydro press, etc etc and their press is the only thing left to upgrade as there aren’t really any upgrades available.
Personally, I was already looking at a Prazi Press as I’m in the above category. My press is the only thing left to upgrade and at the moment, the Prazi is the only other option.
This brings another high end/low tolerance press to the fold. And it’s a US company. Which is always nice.
To be Honest I’m 100% satisfied with my cheap press and see no need to upgrade it especially for $1200.I can reconcile the cost of an Auto trickler/Fx120 or even a Prometheus against the consistency and speed they provide. However, this one escapes me. I know some masterful people who reload and compete in the long range benchrest game where consistency is everything. I know what they go through to produce consistent ammunition. It is quite the process and they use some of the latest and greatest gear. One uses a Prometheus and it is a pretty amazing piece of equipment. The accuracy, consistency and SPEED it provides is amazing. They can extol the virtues of it all but their presses are nothing special it is one of the only items that is seldom mentioned.
What tangible and measurable reloading metric will it improve?