Looks gorgeous. If it had an integrated primer system I’d be all over it. Waiting for gen 2 lol
New press announcement from Area 419
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Good to see things moving right along over at Area419 with the Zero!! Reached out to Jon @ Area419 last week and hope to do a full review of the Zero for Snipers Hide this fall. With a CoAx, Rockchucker, 550c and XL650's on the bench. It will be nice to see how the Zero compares and where it excels vs the others. Really like the look and tight tolerances. Especially with their shell holders!
I'd be surprised if they integrate a primer system. Primal rights has a very nice unit for that. Gives you great consistency.
I'd like to see the zero up against a prazi press that would be more of a fair comparison.
The Prazi is a sweet unit, but suffers the same headaches as something like a RockChucker - every time you want to change a die out to perform another operation, you are depending on class-2 threads and a lock ring to set up the same way. Unfortunately this is not very consistent, it's the nature of a single stage. This is why we like the turret feature, and why we are working on something new for the way dies interface with a press.
One question we have gotten a few times - just how big is this thing? So I threw one on a table with a T-7 and a Rock Chucker.
I'm 100% sure that will be done.
Prediction - the results between the two when sizing will be the same, or close enough one way or another that there cannot be statistical significance inferred. Need a mondo amount of space? Prazi is available in larger sizes. Want the consistency of not swapping dies in and out? Advantage goes to Zero.
There are MANY aluminum, "reciecers" on the market.
The rest of your post was pretty much unreadable.
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you may be waiting a very, very long time for integrated priming. To do a priming system, it typically means cutting up your ram, which we don't like at all. The decap/spent-primer management on this was designed to remove as little material from the ram as possible. Or it wants a system like the Co-Ax, which is one-at-a-time which is painful and not a route we would take.
Shoot me a DM. We have received an unreal amount of "send me one, I'll review it" requests, as you can imagine. We are logging them all, and will work out some sort of program for this. The few going out early are Ultimate Reloader and AccurateShooter, plus a larger magazine, then other reviews will be later after we get this first major round of customer orders shipped. I'm CONFIDENT that there will be some Hide reviews pop up from that first customer round.
Short of actually using the press, the ergonomics look great, right or left handed users have great access to the shell holder. I'm looking forward to actual testing.
I'm sorry science is hard for you to understand. How many metallurgy classes did you have to sit through for you degree? Didn't think so.
The material of a receiver that does nothing but hold the steel parts together is irrelevant. You could make a wood or polly AR lower/ upper and it would work for a while.
And yet the barrel is made of steel.
The barrel extension is made of steel.
The bolt is made of steel.
The bolt carrier and components are made of steel.
The firing pin and extractors are made of steel.
How many bolt action receivers are made of AL?
Now consider yourself educated.
Take this discussion somewhere else and stop crapping on the Zero announcement thread. You want to continue this Aluminum vs steel debate open up a new thread.
Now let's get this back on track
Quit being a Twatwaffle do yo honestly believe that Area 419 would ruin the reputation on a failed part. A part I'm sure was tested extensively before the final decision was made to use that particular type of nonferrous metal.
Quite a few classes.
Quite a few bolt action receivers.
You made a blanket statement that was blatantly incorrect.
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Alright guys let's get this back on track.
I see a ton of room for my mangled up fingers to get in around the shell holder 
I see a ton of room for my mangled up fingers to get in around the shell holder
Good point! I've dropped a few cuss words and cartridges while removing them from the shell holder on a Rock Chucker. The Zero should be a good improvement in that area for me!
I see a ton of room for my mangled up fingers to get in around the shell holder
My only hold up is the speed in which I can use my co-ax. My right hand never leaves the handle. I have a box under the press. So I put case in with left hand, while sizing with right, my left hand is grabbing another case. I knock the current case out with my left hand and place the new case in. I can knock out 2-300 cases very fast.
Not sure with the way this press is designed if I can do that. Looks like I might have to remove the case with more than just a push.
You can put mount the press on a left edge of your table and your box to the left and have the shell holder mouth open to the left and with the way this shell holder...holder is designed it gets screwed down and i believer is wont spin around like the other designs. Non the less u can still have the box to the left of you and have case holder open to the left and flick em out that way. Since you use your left hand wouls be a shorter distance as well. Maybe I'm wrong. Sounds like it would work.
I see people wanting an explanation of how this press can "make me a better shooter" because of the price tag. The press won't make you a better shooter, that's on you. May make better ammo but if you are a 3/4 MOA shooter, a perfectly made 5 shot string of ammo you are still going to be a 3/4 MOA shooter.
The purpose of the press isn't to make poor shooters better shooters. It's to eek out the last bit of perfection available, that's why it's $1200.
I won't be buying the press because I'm at most a decent shooter and about 80% got my shit together reloading. I'm not the demographic of Area 419 as far as this press goes.
If you are asking how this press will make you a better shooter you are asking the wrong question. Save the $1200 and like me go get some marksmanship fundamentals training and possibly a reloading class.
Just my two cents. I don't get why people are trying to take a shit at Area 419 for making a press that those same people's ego won't allow them to come to the realization that the issue isn't the ammo.
The purpose of the press isn't to make poor shooters better shooters. It's to eek out the last bit of perfection available, that's why it's $1200.
I won't be buying the press because I'm at most a decent shooter and about 80% got my shit together reloading. I'm not the demographic of Area 419 as far as this press goes.
If you are asking how this press will make you a better shooter you are asking the wrong question. Save the $1200 and like me go get some marksmanship fundamentals training and possibly a reloading class.
Just my two cents. I don't get why people are trying to take a shit at Area 419 for making a press that those same people's ego won't allow them to come to the realization that the issue isn't the ammo.
No one has asked if it will make them a better shooter.
What they have asked is, if you’re already loading very good ammo, where is there room from improvement? It’s a valid question.
It’s been brought up several times that current dies suffer from threads and such. The question is, will changing this actual show an improvement.
No one thinks a press will make them a better shooter.
I dont think anyone is loading perfect ammo otherwise we be seeing 0moa groups all the time...
What I mean to say is there is alot of room for improvement. And whats wrong with having a nice over build press. I dont get how guys are trying to look for justification to need a press like qith. You can do witj a 100 dollar lyman press. I'm sure there are alot of guys asking that question who own Mercedes....Ferrari ...lambo...whats the justification with those purchases? Whats wrong with wanting nice stuff?absolutely nothing! I don't think Area419 is in the business of comprimise to make products affordable. They are trying to put out the best or the best. I like how Jordan Wickham state that even though its not his demographic he appreciates the value of the press. Like wise im sire everyone, be it right demographics or not, can appreciate a nice Lamborghini.
Dthomas I just stumbled onto this thread so I was reading the posts on page 1-4 and people were legit wanting an explanation as to how at $1200 this press will make them better shooters.
"Because a lot of us are impulse buyers and buy the shiniest new product but often times need justification as to why it’s going to make me a better shooter and more competitive."
I was just pointing out that often times people buy the hottest new "item" then still shoot 3/4 MOA and then come in and shit talk the "item" because their ego won't let them come to the realization that the equipment isn't the issue.
There's dude's shooting hole in holes using a hand press.
If people run around in the mindset of how is piece of equipment X going to make me shoot better they are already dicked up.
"Because a lot of us are impulse buyers and buy the shiniest new product but often times need justification as to why it’s going to make me a better shooter and more competitive."
I was just pointing out that often times people buy the hottest new "item" then still shoot 3/4 MOA and then come in and shit talk the "item" because their ego won't let them come to the realization that the equipment isn't the issue.
There's dude's shooting hole in holes using a hand press.
If people run around in the mindset of how is piece of equipment X going to make me shoot better they are already dicked up.
Uh no... the ammo is one piece among many factors that is required to shoot tiny groups and its been done for a LONG time in many disciplines.. the barrel, chamber, stock/chassis, bedding, optic, trigger, rest/bipod, bag, and MOST IMPORTANTLY the indian jerking the trigger are all compiled to give you your end result down range .you dont "load perfect ammo, whatever that means and get 0moa groups..."
What is "perfectly loaded ammo"??
Single digit SD's between 2-5??? Check
Bullet runout of .001" or less?? Check
Ive been saying this a LONG TIME. You can make excellent ammo on a Rochchucker with a Chargemaster. Proper load development is WAY more important than all the fancy gear. If you do proper load development, select a charge in the center of a node, do a proper seating depth, your going to be shooting accurate ammo. This isnt anything new. The ZERO is not being touted as some light from god, make the best ammo in the world, youll be shooting "0moa groups" press. I dont know anyone saying that.
From everything I've read to date, what Area419 is touting, is a very precisely machined press to greatly reduce or eliminate stacking tolerances and slop and gives you the ability to setup a TON of dies and never have to touch them again for faster setup and reloading sessions.
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No perfect t is 0 sd 0.000 runout. 0moa. All im saying is there is room for improvement to answer you question and how much better can you get.
Nothing is 0. Nothing. EVERYTHING has a tolerance...from when the brass is made, to the bullets being made, to the dies being made. You can't remove that with a press or ANY reloading tool. Your goal is to not add any more to the equation when you reload...your not getting zero. Period. Look up the world records....there is no 0moa groups
Then thats youre room for improvement. Just because something havent been achieved before does not make it impossible. Thats all I'm saying.
Just to me clear im not saying I myself can. I'm probably the furthest in this bunch to reach something like that. I'm just saying this industry and community is constantly improving. Anything is possible.
My room for improvement? Dude what are you talking about? You make zero sense. Slow your roll and get this thread back on track about the ZERO and not these nonsense posts.
Then I would reread pages 1-4. The quote I put in the next post I posted is a direct quote from someone else's post. I didn't quote it by way of the SH quote thing because it would show who posted it and I'm not trying to blast that person but people certainly did say how would it make them a better shooter.
In all seriousness now........
I have a bunch of A419 accessories for my Autotrickler set up. A419 stuff isn't cheap, but they do provide a lot of value. As with so many things in life, I have found the best modus operandi is "Cry Once". I have not been disappointed with anything that I have purchased from A419.
For my Centerfire rifles, I use Wilson Arbor dies and a very, very simple Arbor press. I either buy Wilson blanks and ream them with the chamber reamer for that specific rifle, or, I buy finished/cut chamber dies from Wilson. The most recent purchase was of a .308W finished die that the chamber was sloppy, so I had to cut the die back (probably 3/8ths of an inch) and move the chamber forward with my reamer. Not really a slam on them, they have to make production dies in such a way that they will work with as much brass as possible.
Just having watched the A419 video on the press, I see it is plenty stout and there is absolutely no problem using it for full length resizing or shoulder bumping. Presently, I have a Rockchucker for that.
I could see getting a Zero press. It'd go nicely with dies like Newlon or Warner manufacture.
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I have a bunch of A419 accessories for my Autotrickler set up. A419 stuff isn't cheap, but they do provide a lot of value. As with so many things in life, I have found the best modus operandi is "Cry Once". I have not been disappointed with anything that I have purchased from A419.
For my Centerfire rifles, I use Wilson Arbor dies and a very, very simple Arbor press. I either buy Wilson blanks and ream them with the chamber reamer for that specific rifle, or, I buy finished/cut chamber dies from Wilson. The most recent purchase was of a .308W finished die that the chamber was sloppy, so I had to cut the die back (probably 3/8ths of an inch) and move the chamber forward with my reamer. Not really a slam on them, they have to make production dies in such a way that they will work with as much brass as possible.
Just having watched the A419 video on the press, I see it is plenty stout and there is absolutely no problem using it for full length resizing or shoulder bumping. Presently, I have a Rockchucker for that.
I could see getting a Zero press. It'd go nicely with dies like Newlon or Warner manufacture.
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I'll just state that my main reason for buying this press is for the precision turret. I really like the idea that I can have all my dies in the turret and just rotate the turret to switch dies while keeping them all set to the correct depth with repeatability. It may or may not make more accurate ammo compared to what I make now on the Rock Chucker, but then that isn't why I'm buying it.
I'm excited for the conversation that'll start when we release the new die stuff we're working on.
Fascinating to watch in these threads - the number of people who are CONVINCED that NOBODY will EVER buy a press at this price. We've sold enough that we are lining up a freight pickup from UPS for initial shipping day. Will be several pallets, with many of them being shipped all over the world.
We are in the business of producing the finest products possible, outside of standard convention, and knowing there is a market that respects it. I don't think you'll see a deviation from that any time soon.
Fascinating to watch in these threads - the number of people who are CONVINCED that NOBODY will EVER buy a press at this price. We've sold enough that we are lining up a freight pickup from UPS for initial shipping day. Will be several pallets, with many of them being shipped all over the world.
We are in the business of producing the finest products possible, outside of standard convention, and knowing there is a market that respects it. I don't think you'll see a deviation from that any time soon.
That’s just the poors being vocally poor. Pay no mind to them.
You guys keep making the best you can think up at any price, and people will always buy it. Don’t factor in the lowest common denominator. They’re obviously not your target market.
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