I have the Burris as well and will have the PA PLX-C once it's back in stock. I'll report back on the differences once I have the PA in hand.
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I do wish PA would make it easier to check a reticle before buying. Basic measurements would make the purchase decision a hell of a lot easier.I ended up choosing the ACSS Raptor M8 reticle for reason #2 above in addition to the "dot" being a hair larger at 1x.
I have the meters and my brother in law has the yards so I've looked through both a lot. I prefer the Meters and the horseshoe is noticeably bigger on 1x and less cluttered in my opinion as the stadia stops as it gets to the horseshoe further out and gives it more of a "floating" effect. I think it does help at 1x with speed with the meters as compared to the yards.Has anyone had experience with both plxc yard vs meter reticles ? If so do you think the bigger size difference in the meter at 1x is that much of a benefit for quick cqb shots?
Having looked through both, I'll vouch for this opinion.I have the meters and my brother in law has the yards so I've looked through both a lot. I prefer the Meters and the horseshoe is noticeably bigger on 1x and less cluttered in my opinion as the stadia stops as it gets to the horseshoe further out and gives it more of a "floating" effect. I think it does help at 1x with speed with the meters as compared to the yards.
Sounds like the ACSS may not be for you personally. You'll get similar performance on max magnification out of the atacr and razor 1-10 as far as image, just the nature of physics.I was able to test my PLX-C 1-8 yesterday from 100-600 yards.
Overall it seems like a high quality optic. I'm not convinced the tradeoffs are right for how I want to use it.
Generally the optical performance degrades at over 6.5x. the conditions were poor(45 deg, heavy rain, 5-10mph wind) which exacerbated the lower optical quality at 8x. Once you get over ~6.5x the images starts getting dark and blurry. At 8x the compromise wasn't worth it so I shot all day at 6-6.5x
The reticle is very cluttered. Way too cluttered to use quickly. Some of the design decisions are real head scratchers(15 mils of hold-over? Wtf are you shooting that needs 15 mils? ). The auto-ranging features are also very busy and distracting. Other elements like the Chevron might be personal preference, but I found myself just wanting for a basic dot or crosshair. Shooting at 6x makes the mil grid look a little cluttered
I bought the scope thinking it would be a compromise: I fully expected it to be a longer-range capable LPVO and not as good as other options (Razor 1-6, Delta 1-6) up close. I think the opposite is actually true. The 1x on this thing is really good and the reticle is far less annoying at 1x.
Shooting it side by side with my NXS 2.5-10 it wasn't even close. The resolution, brightness, and general ease of use at 10x far exceeded the PLX-C at 6x.
So what next? I'm not really sure. I'll use the PLX-C next month at a 10k biathlon. It'll have short range out to 600 yard stages. Maybe my impression will change when shooting UKD targets. For now though I'm kinda questioning the purchase. Maybe I should just pony up the cash for an ATACR or Razor G3.
It's currently mounted on a 12.5 AR. I was pleased with the ability to engage at 600 yards with the PLX-C. The mil grid makes that pretty easy(if you don't get lost in the sea of dots and hashes) compared the previous Bushy SMRS reticle which was just a BDC and didn't line up with any of my holds for a 77SMK at 2550 fps.
Interesting. I haven't been able to look through a Razor 1-10. I've used the ATACR before and had a different impression, but it was in much better conditions which may have masked some of the performance drop off at 8x.Sounds like the ACSS may not be for you personally. You'll get similar performance on max magnification out of the atacr and razor 1-10 as far as image, just the nature of physics.
Good feedback. I haven't tried the PLX-C yet, I might have to skip this one. I don't like chevrons and just am not a fan of the acss in general. I think you might want to try the FC-DMX, I bet you'll like it. You'll just have to choose between size/weight (nx8) or optics (atacr). I really wish NF would the FC-dmx or mil-xt in the 2.5-10x42.I was able to test my PLX-C 1-8 yesterday from 100-600 yards.
Overall it seems like a high quality optic. I'm not convinced the tradeoffs are right for how I want to use it.
Generally the optical performance degrades at over 6.5x. the conditions were poor(45 deg, heavy rain, 5-10mph wind) which exacerbated the lower optical quality at 8x. Once you get over ~6.5x the images starts getting dark and blurry. At 8x the compromise wasn't worth it so I shot all day at 6-6.5x
The reticle is very cluttered. Way too cluttered to use quickly. Some of the design decisions are real head scratchers(15 mils of hold-over? Wtf are you shooting that needs 15 mils? ). The auto-ranging features are also very busy and distracting. Other elements like the Chevron might be personal preference, but I found myself just wanting for a basic dot or crosshair. Shooting at 6x makes the mil grid look a little cluttered
I bought the scope thinking it would be a compromise: I fully expected it to be a longer-range capable LPVO and not as good as other options (Razor 1-6, Delta 1-6) up close. I think the opposite is actually true. The 1x on this thing is really good and the reticle is far less annoying at 1x.
Shooting it side by side with my NXS 2.5-10 it wasn't even close. The resolution, brightness, and general ease of use at 10x far exceeded the PLX-C at 6x.
So what next? I'm not really sure. I'll use the PLX-C next month at a 10k biathlon. It'll have short range out to 600 yard stages. Maybe my impression will change when shooting UKD targets. For now though I'm kinda questioning the purchase. Maybe I should just pony up the cash for an ATACR or Razor G3.
It's currently mounted on a 12.5 AR. I was pleased with the ability to engage at 600 yards with the PLX-C. The mil grid makes that pretty easy(if you don't get lost in the sea of dots and hashes) compared the previous Bushy SMRS reticle which was just a BDC and didn't line up with any of my holds for a 77SMK at 2550 fps.
I've only seen the older FCDM in person. The X looks much cleaner in Strelok.Good feedback. I haven't tried the PLX-C yet, I might have to skip this one. I don't like chevrons and just am not a fan of the acss in general. I think you might want to try the FC-DMX, I bet you'll like it. You'll just have to choose between size/weight (nx8) or optics (atacr). I really wish NF would the FC-dmx or mil-xt in the 2.5-10x42.
You're not irrational, people have been asking for this scope for a while now. A lightweight and compact 2-12 or 2.5-15 would be fantastic. Heck, a 1.5-12 would be really nice if the 8x erector plays nice and can be kept compactI've only seen the older FCDM in person. The X looks much cleaner in Strelok.
Agree on the new reticle for the NXS. I'd like to see a better reticle in the 2.5-10x32. That's essentially the new Athlon Helos 2-12, but Chinese and 25oz.
Maybe it's irrational but I love the old NXS 2.5-10x32. Great size and weight for the capability it has.
Heck, a 1.5-12 would be really nice if the 8x erector plays nice and can be kept compact
If I had that $ to spend I would, but NV / Thermal has soaked up my money at a rapid pace. Love my PLXc 1-8 MIL!Well if you have the money, the new March 1.5 - 15 scope might just do it for you.
The raptor m8?Does anyone have access to the PLX-C reticles in their Strelok app? Wondering if someone can run a few numbers for me in regards to the m8 meters reticle to see how it would work for a potential setup before I purchase it.
I'll help you out.Does anyone have access to the PLX-C reticles in their Strelok app? Wondering if someone can run a few numbers for me in regards to the m8 meters reticle to see how it would work for a potential setup before I purchase it.
I went through the same thing. It's really a toss up and what your wanting to "emphasis" with that rifle. The PLxC has better glass, bigger field of view, a better reticle at distance and 2x more. The delta has that nuclear bright dot and the eye box is a tad better and easier to use in scope shadow(reticle/illumination doesn't completely disappear). I decided I wanted the better glass and I would just run the reticle black or use my offset if I needed a red dot experience. I really like the primary arms and I'm happy I made the jump but whether it's worth that extra coin is personal. Both will run well.Currently running a Delta Stryker HD 1-6 which I’m very happy with but I tempted every few weeks to buy this scope.
Do you guys think I’m getting enough of a performance jump with the PLXC to justify the 2x price jump?
The only thing that makes me hesitant is the lack of a daylight bright illuminated dot at 1x and concerns about durability given the focus on super light weight construction. However I do have an offset RMR so the lack of a daylight bright illuminated reticle is not a total dealbreaker.
Is the reticle useable for speed shooting at 1x with the illumination turned off? I’m leaning towards the meter Raptor reticle.
My PLXc arrived today. Thoroughly impressed in admittedly very limited testing. 1X has me wondering why I need an RDO on anything other than for weight savings, simplicity and perhaps having shake awake/battery life. The tube just vanishes at 1X and it's definitely daylight bright. Eyebox is a bit finicky around 8x but otherwise it's amazing. Anxious to test it vs. the Burris. I purchased the PLX mount as well and off the top of my head, the combo is about 22oz, about 5oz heavier than the Holosun titanium RDO on a Scalarworks mount and 3X magnifier. With the stock mount, they're likely equal in weight.
Oh nice! I have to say, the PLX mount is fantastic as well. Very light, NOT $400(!) and is very well made. Even the screws exude quality which is a nice change of pace. It's lighter than most of the other obvious competitors and comes within four tenths of an ounce of the Scalarworks LEAP 08.
Oh nice! I have to say, the PLX mount is fantastic as well. Very light, NOT $400(!) and is very well made. Even the screws exude quality which is a nice change of pace. It's lighter than most of the other obvious competitors and comes within four tenths of an ounce of the Scalarworks LEAP 08.
I agree. It reminds me of the Vortex Razor 1-6, in that regard..... The tube just vanishes at 1X ....
I own the S&B, if 1x is important to you, that's not the one. It shines above 5x.Now that the PLXC has been out any update on people's opinion? Pros cons? Would you buy it again?
In the market for a LPVO where the 1x pretty much disappears. I've been looking at this the K18I-2, Z8I+, March 1-10, and the S&B dual CC. Appreciate everyone's input!
I own the S&B, if 1x is important to you, that's not the one. It shines above 5x.
Can't comment on the k18i-2, but I have the K18i and it's wonderful on 1x.
I also have a P4Xi, which is fantastic on 1x if you can deal with only 4x on the high end.
I've handled the PLX but only indoors. Seemed very nice but would need some time with it to be sure.
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Hmm OK yea 1x is the most important for me. What would you compare the 1x to?The eyebox at 8x is particular, but not unusable. 1x is excellent, 6x is forgiving. Form factor and weight are awesome. Glass is excellent. Illumination is not daylight bright on really sunny days if that's important to you. The reticle is excellent for a FFP without illumination though on 1x, which was more important for me then a FFP reticle that required nuclear bright illumination to be useable. The information in the reticle is invaluable imo. Overall, I do not regret buying it at all and their isn't anything on the market that I would trade it for currently.
If you are good with 4x, don't look any further to be honest. It's a poor man's K16i.Ah ty for the heads up on the S&B for the 1x. The rifle will mostly be used at 1x so field of view and 1x clarity is the absolute most important for me. Hmm I haven't considered a P4Xi at all. What about the older S&B 1-4 short dots?
Exactly what I prefer if the scope is going to be the only optic.The reticle is excellent for a FFP without illumination though on 1x, which was more important for me then a FFP reticle that required nuclear bright illumination to be useable.
Hmm OK yea 1x is the most important for me. What would you compare the 1x to?
Marsh, take my money!!!They are releasing it in SFP with the ACSS Nova reticle(like the 1-6 SLX Nova) if that interests anyone. Q2
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Gladly!! We will have these at SHOT next week is anyone is there!Marsh, take my money!!!