Arguably their best optic these days…But I did get my NEW S&B 5-20x50 PMII UltraShort, maybe I should start a thread?
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Arguably their best optic these days…But I did get my NEW S&B 5-20x50 PMII UltraShort, maybe I should start a thread?
Its now end of Dec! Did you take delivery?Ordered in April, should be delivered November.
No, apparently not even started manufacture yet. Expected February.Its now end of Dec! Did you take delivery?
Feb of 2025No, apparently not even started manufacture yet. Expected February.
EO says they are expecting shipping first quarter of 2023. Taking preorders.
Should i pre order 2nd? Put the 2nd one in the PX for $14990.00 plus shipping?
The 6-36 should be delivered around June and the Bluetooth is something they're still working onAnyone have any knowledge of availability of the 6-36x56? Concerned this might be more S&B vaporware like the bluetooth scopes a while back.
The 6-36 should be delivered around June and the Bluetooth is something they're still working on
Yeah wtf???Is Euro no longer their sole distributor in USA?
Anyone have any knowledge of availability of the 6-36x56? Concerned this might be more S&B vaporware like the bluetooth scopes a while back.
Yeah. I just hope that uh they add some more reticle options for the 6-36. The current ones are disappointing to say the least.I really hope S$B knocks it out of the park w this 6-36.. patiently waiting.
Yeah I talked to Jerry and both it and the 5-20 should have some more options.I bet they add the MSR2 reticle down the rd.
Is the irony of a fella named Jerry working for a German company not lost on anyone else?
No, Lisa from S&B confirmed they're back to selling to everyone again.Is Euro no longer their sole distributor in USA?
Huh. I wonder if they blamed Euro for lack of sales? It was my impression S&B set the prices, so if that’s the case they’re crazy if they think that just allowing more retailers to sell their wares will change anything.No, Lisa from S&B confirmed they're back to selling to everyone again.
I bet the prices tumble again like they did in 2017-2018.Huh. I wonder if they blamed Euro for lack of sales? It was my impression S&B set the prices, so if that’s the case they’re crazy if they think that just allowing more retailers to sell their wares will change anything.
I mean, their current prices are ludicrous. Insulting, even.
yeaahhh. They'll have to fix this shit fast. It's a shame because the guys at Winchester, VA are great people.Yup, new prices are rapidly pricing me out of my favorite optic brand. I've added two 5-20x USs recently, and both were around $3k because they were the older models. As much as I'd love a 6-36x, it's hard to compete with Vortex's 6-36x (not a fan of Vortex generally, but this scope is easily their best to date) at 1/3 the price. And now that I'm shopping for something in the 40x-ish range it's hard to spend over $6k when a ZCO 8-40x is quite a bit less. And even worse, the USD currently has near parity with the Euro, so it's not like a big conversion difference is the issue.
Mm there’s a Sonic in Winchester.yeaahhh. They'll have to fix this shit fast. It's a shame because the guys at Winchester, VA are great people.
I haven't heard anything definitive on this front, just that they are opening up the channels for other dealers in the US again.Huh. I wonder if they blamed Euro for lack of sales?
I think it will change some but I don't think the change will be enough to overcome the hole they've dug themselves into.It was my impression S&B set the prices, so if that’s the case they’re crazy if they think that just allowing more retailers to sell their wares will change anything.
I'm sure 2020 didn't help anything and now with limited supply chain and higher cost of materials they felt justified in their price increases, but they've priced themselves out of a market they helped define. There will always be folks buying S&B regardless of the price; however, there is way too much competition and options, very good options, from other companies these days.I mean, their current prices are ludicrous. Insulting, even.
Glad I'm not the only one who remembers this, Schmidt was getting overpriced back then and then did a huge USA price slash which got everyone back interested in them, I'd like to say we'll see this happen again but not sure this time around.I bet the prices tumble again like they did in 2017-2018.
Short dots went from 4700 to 3700 back to 5300 and now 6000. If they want to sell in the US the prices have to come down.
This is the real shame right here.I haven't heard anything definitive on this front, just that they are opening up the channels for other dealers in the US again.
I think it will change some but I don't think the change will be enough to overcome the hole they've dug themselves into.
I'm sure 2020 didn't help anything and now with limited supply chain and higher cost of materials they felt justified in their price increases, but they've priced themselves out of a market they helped define. There will always be folks buying S&B regardless of the price; however, there is way too much competition and options, very good options, from other companies these days.
Correct, however, with the way S&B treated all their dealers for the time being we are only bringing scopes in as they're ordered.Is Euro no longer their sole distributor in USA?
hey I can’t buy thetas and shit if I’m paying 40% more per action bud.Are the guys on the Defiance thread still bitching about a 40% increase?
We get what we pay for in life… I will gladly pay for quality.
Are the guys on the Defiance thread still bitching about a 40% increase?
We get what we pay for in life… I will gladly pay forqualitybranding.
Honestly I do think S&B is off the goop because the 5-25 prices are 500-600 more than the 6-36. I expect a steep correction within the year. At 2999 I think my PMII was a "steal" compared to this shit.View attachment 8077572
Poor people noises? Pshaw my good man.
I know you didn’t meme the Angry Poor Noises gif (@TheOE800 was joking), but that vibe is what your comment is implies.
And paying for quality? Good lord, I’m all about that!
But I don’t like being taken advantage of.
Are you trying to out-snob the snobs?
Here’s the thing…S&B isn’t exactly topping the charts anymore. You might like a certain zoom range or turret, but…there are literally equal-to-better quality scopes that cost a LOT less.
And I know the word “quality” has an insanity-causing slipperiness to it.
So at this point it’s sorta more like:
Here are some screen shots of S&B pricing off of EO today. But first keep in mind:
5-25 TT = $5100 (3x)
5-27 ZCO = $4000 (3x)
6-36 Vortex = low $2k
S&B 5-25 = $5450 (grid, DT II+)
The top three scopes are usually considered a bit better than the S&B 5-25.
But yet the S&B is $1400 more than the ZCO, $350 more than the TT, and ~$2200 more than the Razor. The latter of which ILya has said in a video that it’s very close to the ZCO.
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And then there are these ludicrous prices
Again, first keep in mind:
ZCO 4-20 = $3740 (3x)
March 3-24x52 = $3000
March 4.5-28 = $3600 (locking turrets)
March 5-42 = ~$4200 (locking turrets)
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Yeah, that S&B 5-45 is worth $2850 more than the 5-42 March. Yeah, totally.
If I call and ask for best price, I can almost buy a NF 7-35 for that, new.
Basically, the below sums up the S&B attitude towards US consumer who can afford their scopes and scopes that are equal to or better than theirs.
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Hey, that makes sense.Carbonbased you will never hear ANGRY POOR NOISE from this guy. Im an overworked poor guy myself. Glass quality is subjective and not every scope works w my astigmatism. S&B Schott glass works w my eyes. There is more to a scope than just glass and I'm happy to pay MY hard earned money for a S&B w MT II turrets as i feel they are a step above TT turrets.
I agree but covertnoob5 and ILya said the Razor 6-36 is getting awfully close to equaling the top tier…I don’t think ANYONE has ever accused a Vortex of being better than an S&B.
I agree but covertnoob5 and ILya said the Razor 6-36 is getting awfully close to equaling the top tier…
Edit: go to around 9:45 on that vid.