Any update from Shot Show on the new tree reticle shown earlier?
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Because they made the scope too short with the 8x erector, when dealing with short focal lengths trying to correct for halation (flare), distortion, image quality all get compounded when using larger diameter objectives. You don't see any ultra short designs with 8x erectors using 56mm objectives, the Hensoldt 3.5-25x56 is probably the closest to this but look at the price and the weight, this is what they did for the best optical performance they could get. Schmidt 3-27x56 and 5-45x56 are other examples of high erector ratio with 56mm objectives but both these scopes are "long" scopes. The new Steiner T6Xi 3-18x56 is the newest scope that is on the shorter side but with a 56mm objective; however, Steiner kept this to a 6x erector which allowed them to find a good compromise that didn't affect IQ enough to make it a deal breaker.My big gripe with this scope is why they didn’t do a 56mm objective.
Directly from the link above:I believe Leica lost in England, but won in the EU. In practice, I’m not sure what that means from a retail selling standpoint.
Curious who this other "well-known mfr" was???The Board of Appeal of the European Patent Office (EPO) in Munich has granted the requests submitted by Leica Camera AG and another well-known riflescope manufacturer and has revoked the European Patent 1 746 451 held by Swarovski Optik KG as, in the opinion of the Board of Appeal, it does not have any inventive step. The revocation of the patent has immediate effect. The decision applies to all EU member states.
A 3.5 year dispute has got to be extremely costly - no wonder why Leica didn't pursue in the USA and likely why no one else wants to especially now, as by the time the legal proceedings were over the patent itself will likely be over.Leica Camera AG has thus achieved an important legal victory in the 3.5-year dispute with Swarovski Optik KG regarding the European riflescope patent. Following the specialist trade fair, IWA OutdoorClassics, in March 2011, there had been an accusation that Leica Camera AG would infringe the disputed Swarovski patent with its Magnus riflescope. Conversely, Leica Camera AG always maintained that the relevant patent was not legally valid. This legal opinion has now been confirmed by the decision of the EPO Board of Appeal.
This is where some of the offense from the community comes from with respect to Swarovski as it would appear Swaro submitted for the patent simply because they could, not because they had invented any creative way to accomplish the feature (wide FOV eyepiece). Just like in EU, this patent would likely not hold up in court in the USA; however, battling the patent would be an extremely costly endeavor for any company.Stephan Albrecht, head of the sport optics division at Leica Camera AG, comments: ‘Patents are for protecting innovations and developments but should not prevent free and fair competition. Standing shoulder to shoulder with other leading vendors, Leica Camera AG has continuously stressed that the patent held by Swarovski Optik KG does not protect any inventive step; instead it essentially describes the known state of the art. We are very pleased that the European Patent Office agrees with our opinion and that the sale of our products will no longer be impeded by this dispute.’
And this explains why the Magnus line of scopes are still sold outside the USA and are no longer offered inside the USA. Earlier posts indicate the patent was submitted in 2007 and will expire in 20 years, so hopefully in 2027 we'll see a bunch of wide angle eyepiece options show up here in the states, but that is still a long time to wait especially for the Schmidt 6-36x56...In addition to their outstanding imaging performance, the relevant riflescopes from the Magnus product line are characterised by their exceptionally wide field of view, a greater than sixfold zoom range and, above all, by their mechanical robustness and durability.
Scope turned up today. Stunning in all regards, keen to get range time asap.30x with the witness mark between the 3 and 0.
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36x
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Yep, that’s what my math showed me. So that’s what I stuck with.
Yep... i have 6.5 Mil Mil viewable at 36x...Scope turned up today. Stunning in all regards, keen to get range time asap.
Regarding FOVgate, when I have the Scope set to 36x, I have the 6mil windage marking in view i.e the Euro version has the same FOV at 36x as the US examples have at ~30x.
More like 6.2, but a significant difference all the sameYep... i have 6.5 Mil Mil viewable at 36x...
Rifle Scopes - New Schmidt & Bender PM2 6-36x56
So guys, if you had to choose, S&B 5-25 or S&B 6-36? I want a different scope on top of my .308 bolt gun At new prices? The 6-36 is a no brainer, especially if you want DTII+ turrets on the 5-25 as that pushes them up to nearly the same price as the 6-36. Given the minimal cost difference...www.snipershide.com
I'll raise ya... "6.4"More like 6.2, but a significant difference all the same
It would seem uncouth to quibble over such trivialities in front of our 'differently abled' FOV brothers & sisters in the US of AI'll raise ya... "6.4"
Wut dis u say bro? I can’t see u thru me straw.It would seem uncouth to quibble over such trivialities in front of our 'differently abled' FOV brothers & sisters in the US of A
Probably the right reticle if you want something simple. I will say I was surprised by how unobtrusive the GR2ID is in practice. Very well executed reticle.Any updates? I think I am going to buy a P5 reticle model before the prices go up. I can only shoot out to 600 yards anyway at my range. It is for a .308 bolt gun.
I like my SKMR3 but think the Tremor reticles are way too busy. This will be on a .308 20” barreled Tikka in a KRG chassis. With a 20 MOA mount, it should suit my needs well. Why so much mag? My eyes suck plain and simple and I prefer Euro glass with an easy to adjust diopter.Probably the right reticle if you want something simple. I will say I was surprised by how unobtrusive the GR2ID is in practice. Very well executed reticle.
If you like the reticles it’s a good option. Optically the best my eyes have looked through.So everyone agrees this scope is gtg?
Just got #4...
No doubt it’s their best model in ten years. I can’t see a reason to go with the venerable 5-25x anymore; the 6-36x just beats it in every way. The same could arguably be said for the 3-27x and 5-45x. At this point I’d be fine if the PM II line consisted of the 6-36x and the two Ultra Shorts.
Other than the number in the window up top, that’s correct.I noticed they fully implemented removing the pins on yours since they are prone to failure... (Mime failed) Looks like there is 0 way to tell now every rev you are on a night now correct?
Other than the number in the window up top, that’s correct.
Wait, does this mean you lose all tactile rev indicators for low light situations?Other than the number in the window up top, that’s correct.
Best scope i have owned or used!!So everyone agrees this scope is gtg?
I still have a 3-27 and its not even in the same league as the 6-36 !!It's shocking how much $$$ they 327 and 545 are and are so inferior to the 636. I seriously don't understand their price model.
Does it have MTC?Just don't use those mtii turrets in the mud or rain..... They can lock up and fail... Only Schmidt I have ever seen this happen too... Haven't had that issue with the dtii+ but that was SB answer just remove the pins and shoot during the day lol
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More like NTC…no tactile clicksDoes is have MTC?
You gonna get a leupold now?
Does it have MTC?
You gonna get a leupold now?
I had something similar with my 5-45 it failed at the NF match in 2022, it was actually the design of the mechanism inside, nothing to do with mud or rain. They have since reconfigured the parts or fixed it, was something like a metal part wasn't heat treated right. Part of the fix was removing the indicator pins.It didn't have anything at the time of that pic the turret had seized completely, you couls move the lever but that turret wasn't moving .... I would just use iron sights before I would be caught dead with a Leupold....
No just sticking with the dtt+ versions from now on but was a little upset with SB over it although they did repair it and swap the turret.
I had something similar with my 5-45 it failed at the NF match in 2022, it was actually the design of the mechanism inside, nothing to do with mud or rain. They have since reconfigured the parts or fixed it, was something like a metal part wasn't heat treated right. Part of the fix was removing the indicator pins.
They repaired it by replacing the internals on it, with the updated version. Seemed like it was more of a widespread mechanical issue of when, not if it would fail. I actually like my 5-45 a lot more than my 3-27. Though i did have the 3-27 reticle swapped to lrr-mil to match.Wow... That's where mine failed... I was told it's due to fine dirt and debris getting into the pins and then it locks up and it's widespread so their solution was to just get rid of the pins...
What did SB do for your 545?
Just ordered #3Just got #4...
I’m glad you guys are testing the MTII turrets to the point of failure. DTII turrets are looking better and better.
How often are y’all doing night shooting at ranges that require more than one turn!?!?Just don't use those mtii turrets in the mud or rain..... They can lock up and fail... Only Schmidt I have ever seen this happen too... Haven't had that issue with the dtii+ but that was SB answer just remove the pins and shoot during the day lol
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Its not just that, you have weather and covered shooting positionsHow often are y’all doing night shooting at ranges that require more than one turn!?!?
How often are y’all doing night shooting at ranges that require more than one turn!?!?
I dunno, 12 MRAD gets my long range guns to 1500 yards.
You guys are shooting 1500 yards in the dark and then dialing down to like 300 yards?
Can’t you just dial back to zero stop and start over?
Seriously I don’t shoot at dark much and I’m trying to understand the need to a tactile indicator
Far and away my favorite turretsI ordered the 6-36 with DTII+ MTC turrets.
100% This. Brilliant design giving the end user options.Far and away my favorite turrets
Why not the DT35 MTC?