Rifle Scopes New Schmidt & Bender PM2 6-36x56

[CSTactical]

Dont worry, I said I’d buy a ZCO…

From an authorized dealer

 

[Huskydriver]

Well.... SB went full retard... This was 3,900 iirm last week

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[Franko]

Well.... SB went full retard... This was 3,900 iirm last week

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That S&B nameplate premium is getting steep indeed.

 

[TheOE800]

 

[clonebuilder]

Well.... SB went full retard... This was 3,900 iirm last week

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god that's horrendous. I wonder where they get the gall to think they can charge MORE than TT/ZCO

 

[TheOE800]

Lmao the 3-27!!
https://www.eurooptic.com/Schmidt-B...DT-II-GR2ID-1-mrad-Riflescope-669-911-42.aspx

 

[db2000]

The only idea I can imagine is they are trying to stay relevant and prestigious. Secondary market has basic 525 PMII’s selling for $2k-$2300. Sometimes with a mount.
I’ve noticed $2800-$3000 for 320’s and $3500-$4000 for 327’s it seems iirc.

 

[Huskydriver]

I'm not a Horus cool aide drinker but damn... The tremor 3 is oucccchhhh lol

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[M8541Reaper]

I'm not a Horus cool aide drinker but damn... The tremor 3 is oucccchhhh lol

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[Budrichard]

I have a Short Dot Dual CC purchased from Doug back when.
I will not even consider S&B now!
-Richard

 

[Franko]

After looking at those prices I had to check to make sure it wasn't April 1st. If these prices are real sales are going to crater.

 

[Dendro]

I have a Short Dot Dual CC purchased from Doug back when.
I will not even consider S&B now!
-Richard

Same here, used to buy them from Doug as well. The good old days are gone, it’s a shame because I find S&B glass to still be among the top glass wise to my eye.

 

[deersniper]

Is this, the new ZCO, and Razor HD3 a response to the NF 7-35x?
And if so, what is this optic doing the S&P 5-45x56 couldn't

It's pretty clear the direction optic companies this year. Somebody wake me when the "big dogs" decide to get into mid-range variables that aren't 2lbs for hunting and small frame semi's.

ZCO has a 2-13 ish coming that may interest you

 

[clonebuilder]

ZCO has a 2-13 ish coming that may interest you

*coming in 5 years

Nick said it was a long long long ways off

 

[deersniper]

In EU or here I would have a 5-45 LRR-Mil and a 3-27 MSR2 if not for the price differences for US. And would've kept my ZCO if it had one of those reticles, or something else with "the thinness".

Heresy.

MPCT3 is best

#circlife

 

[clonebuilder]

Is this, the new ZCO, and Razor HD3 a response to the NF 7-35x?
And if so, what is this optic doing the S&P 5-45x56 couldn't

It's pretty clear the direction optic companies this year. Somebody wake me when the "big dogs" decide to get into mid-range variables that aren't 2lbs for hunting and small frame semi's.

there is the TT315M and TT315LRH

 

[deersniper]

*coming in 5 years

Nick said it was a long long long ways off

Well shit. ZCOMP 420s and Bestforce nx8 2.5-20s till then

 

[carbonbased]

I hate these torn windscreen reticles, but damn near $8800 is hilarious!

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[carbonbased]

Are they even warm tho......

As I considered the joke, I posed the same question to myself. Ultimately, I’d rather be handed a cold bag of dicks because a warm bag…means there was a microwave involved or the product is…fresh?

S&B has just cut their own collective dicks off, so a gross(er) bag of dick warmness for the win!

Edit: this joke makes zero sense now. Original post got deleted. Making fun of S&B, but maybe Eurooptic felt like I was making fun of them? I love EO man!

Anyway, sorry to whomever took offense.

 

[918v]

The 5-20US has been out for almost a decade now and they continue to raise the price, Schmidt must have really good long term strategies, most manufacturers are coming out with new models every 5 years or so, Schmidt just adds a new reticle or turret and raises prices on their original models.

What I don’t get is the redesign of the PM II 5-25 without tunneling, why not PM III or Gen II or something, that’s strange.

So why is this brand new design from Schmidt quite a bit less than models they’ve had for a while, makes me nervous that they cut some corners to meet a specific price point, and if they didn’t then how are they justifying the other older models going for so much more??? Inquiring minds want to know…

Patents are a problem

 

[dms416]

ZCO has a 2-13 ish coming that may interest you

Yeah, Im tracking that thread but it does not seem to be coming any time soon. And then once it IS it I have to wait with the rest of the plebs.

Expecting years

 

[db2000]

I hate these torn windscreen reticles, but damn near $8800 is hilarious!

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And one of those just sold on here for $4k after trickling down from $5400 start price I believe

 

[deersniper]

Only reason to buy a SB right now is if you need alpha glass under 12". The 520US is the only reason I buy SB anymore. TT, ZCO kill SBs offerings at their respective retail vs SB retail
prices. If SB thinks they will stroll in with a 6-36 at 5k and it will sell like zco or TT lol .....

Awe contrary

 

[Huskydriver]

Awe contrary

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Meh... Still longer than a 520 us.... Still only a 30 mm tube, still no msr2 annnnnnnnnd still a overrated NF hard pass sir

 

[deersniper]

Meh... Still longer than a 520 us.... Still only a 30 mm tube, still no msr2 annnnnnnnnd still a overrated NF hard pass sir

Vudu 5-25 is 11.2”

!!

 

[Huskydriver]

Vudu 5-25 is 11.2”

!!

Eotech....surely you jest......

 

[Franko]

Meh... Still longer than a 520 us.... Still only a 30 mm tube, still no msr2 annnnnnnnnd still a overrated NF hard pass sir

A March 4.5-28x52 is 12.5 inches long, lighter, and $1800 cheaper. That's looking pretty good to me.

 

[Huskydriver]

A March 4.5-28x52 is 12.5 inches long, lighter, and $1800 cheaper. That's looking pretty good to me.

But it's a March eww

 

[TheOE800]

But it's a March eww

Side by side with my ZC527 it certainly fills a niche.

 

[Franko]

But it's a March eww

I'm willing to chance it...

 

[Eostech]

Well.... SB went full retard... This was 3,900 iirm last week

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Holy fuck.
At least their prices make sense now, if their goals are to shaft people or not sell any scopes.

 

[clonebuilder]

I really hope TT and ZCO dont take this as a sign to raise their prices astronomically also.

 

[TheOE800]

I really hope TT and ZCO dont take this as a sign to raise their prices astronomically also.

You seen how much a TT costs now? Their sales folks aren’t mongoloids like the S&B folks apparently are, but a tano TT with a licensed reticle is over $6K retail.

 

[clonebuilder]

You seen how much a TT costs now? Their sales folks aren’t mongoloids like the S&B folks apparently are, but a tano TT with a licensed reticle is over $6K retail.

Still much better than Schmidt and Bender's prices for old offerings.

(here's a cool secret btw if you didnt know: Calling euro optic or scope list can get you a deep discount on those). Probably just going to end up picking up a Gen2XR TT525P for my Xray 66

 

[918v]

I wonder how much extra they will charge to delete that illumination control knob.

 

[Huskydriver]

I wonder how much extra they will charge to delete that illumination control knob.

They already integrated it into the parralax on the new models

 

[918v]

They already integrated it into the parralax on the new models

And it is retarded

 

[Huskydriver]

636s are up on euros website apparently they do exist lol...

5.5k for a dtii+ turret.......

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[kthomas]

Scope prices are getting out of hand

 

[M8541Reaper]

636s are up on euros website apparently they do exist lol...

5.5k for a dtii+ turret.......

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Absolutely Fuckin Not.
That’s just insanity.

 

[Franko]

I could get a Vortex G3 6-36 for half the price or a ZCO 8-40 for $1200 less. This feels like whoever is setting prices isn't really paying attention to what the competition is offering.

 

[Huskydriver]

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Absolutely Fuckin Not.
That’s just insanity.

Esp when you can get a zco for way less now

 

[deersniper]

HK and Bender are the perfect pair lol


I’m sure Bender will get a pile of taxpayer money selling these

 

[Huskydriver]

HK and Bender are the perfect pair lol


I’m sure Bender will get a pile of taxpayer money selling these

SB doesn't have any prime contacts with the US.mil that I am aware of right now so I dunno wtf they are marketing to

 

[deersniper]

SB doesn't have any prime contacts with the US.mil that I am aware of right now so I dunno wtf they are marketing to

They have in the past tho I see

Like somebody said it’s a possibility there’s something coming up with all these high hp scopes at once coming out

 

[boomslang]

636s are up on euros website apparently they do exist lol...

5.5k for a dtii+ turret.......

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Annnnnd ZCO it is.

 

[BCX]

I just spent my SB 6-36 cash, I hope theses don’t come till fall. I will be taking a trip to EO before I commit to these. Scope prices are getting out of control. I could buy 2 budget NF 7-35 for 1 SB 6-36

 

[Long Range 338]

At those prices at least Schmidt shouldn't have a long backorder list.....

 

[TheOE800]

636s are up on euros website apparently they do exist lol...

5.5k for a dtii+ turret.......

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With 0.1 MRAD DTII+ it’s just under $5.2K:
https://www.eurooptic.com/Schmidt-B...2ID-1cm-ccw-DT-II-MTC-LT-ST-II-ZC-CT-Rif.aspx

 

[TacosGigante]

Does this help or hurt the secondary market for S&Bs? I can see it helping in that any price savings is likely increased. I can also see it hurting if it harms the brand overall or discourages people from getting into the ecosystem because future prices to build out the collection will be excessive.