If you are planning your hunting or competition schedule around the acquisition of an unreleased product you deserve to be disappointed. If you have something important on the calendar, go with a sure thing. Don't count on a new scope being released, your gunsmithing work finishing up early, parts being delivered on time, or the existence of Santa Claus.
Rifle Scopes New Steiner T5Xi Tactical Rifle Scopes
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If you are planning your hunting or competition schedule around the acquisition of an unreleased product you deserve to be disappointed. If you have something important on the calendar, go with a sure thing. Don't count on a new scope being released, your gunsmithing work finishing up early, parts being delivered on time, or the existence of Santa Claus.
That's what you get for listening to Oleg. All the "2 weeks" patches from PF should have been a dead give away.
The thing I"m interested to see is the reticle in the field at various magnifications and how well these will stand up over time.
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I'll wait for mine. I have others and like them and have plenty of other optics to use. The beast took a long long time to be released and I'm very happy with my purchase there just as I feel I'll be happy with the purchase of this new steiner, especially at the price point!
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I haven't been able to read through everything here or even touch the PMs I have but I'll try to make my way through it all.
Real quick I will correct all of the mis-information that I think is being put out in this thread. I will add to it as I find more mis-information.
The T5Xi scopes are not being manufactured in Asia. They are being manufactured here in the US and anyone who would like to see them in production is more than welcome to stop by and have a look for yourself just as several of posters here have already done including LowLight.
The release has been delayed slightly due to a couple of enhancements that we wanted to incorporate prior to release. The first units will be shipping out in about 3-4 weeks and nearly all of the first run will be out the door by the end of October barring any unforeseen setbacks. It happens but we don't anticipate anything holding us back.
With the previously mentioned enhancements there was a cost increase which created a retail price increase as well. Below are the actual retail prices:
T5Xi 1x-5x24mm 5.56 or 7.62 Rapid Dot $1399.99
T5Xi 3x-15x50mm SCR $1799.99
T5Xi 5x-25x56mm SCR $1999.99
As you can see we are very close to what we anticipated and below our originally targeted price.
The MSR version is scheduled for a mid 2015 date if all goes as planned.
There aren't any issues with the turrets. We made some changes to them as one of the enhancements I mentioned earlier but there were no issues encountered.
Anyone claiming to have inside information, I can assure you does not. Throwing a name out does make a statement valid especially when the statements are wrong. Any changes to pricing, release dates, feature sets, manufacturing locations would all have to come across my desk so please consider me to be the only true source of information. There are plenty of people here that know what is going on and they can and will answer your questions. The information they have came from me and it is factual.
If anyone would like to contradict the above I would request that you call your inside source and the 3 of us will have a discussion.
I think there was also some talk about me no longer being in my current position. I hope that this post will clear that up as well. I won't be posting much on here much but guys like QuickDraw can answer just about anything you will want to know. Don't kill him with PMs but he chimes in when he sees questions.
As for Steiner in general, we have a ton of new projects going on and we are all very hard at it. It just doesn't leave much time for forums unfortunately. Now I'll try to get through this thread and hopefully get to some PMs.
Real quick I will correct all of the mis-information that I think is being put out in this thread. I will add to it as I find more mis-information.
The T5Xi scopes are not being manufactured in Asia. They are being manufactured here in the US and anyone who would like to see them in production is more than welcome to stop by and have a look for yourself just as several of posters here have already done including LowLight.
The release has been delayed slightly due to a couple of enhancements that we wanted to incorporate prior to release. The first units will be shipping out in about 3-4 weeks and nearly all of the first run will be out the door by the end of October barring any unforeseen setbacks. It happens but we don't anticipate anything holding us back.
With the previously mentioned enhancements there was a cost increase which created a retail price increase as well. Below are the actual retail prices:
T5Xi 1x-5x24mm 5.56 or 7.62 Rapid Dot $1399.99
T5Xi 3x-15x50mm SCR $1799.99
T5Xi 5x-25x56mm SCR $1999.99
As you can see we are very close to what we anticipated and below our originally targeted price.
The MSR version is scheduled for a mid 2015 date if all goes as planned.
There aren't any issues with the turrets. We made some changes to them as one of the enhancements I mentioned earlier but there were no issues encountered.
Anyone claiming to have inside information, I can assure you does not. Throwing a name out does make a statement valid especially when the statements are wrong. Any changes to pricing, release dates, feature sets, manufacturing locations would all have to come across my desk so please consider me to be the only true source of information. There are plenty of people here that know what is going on and they can and will answer your questions. The information they have came from me and it is factual.
If anyone would like to contradict the above I would request that you call your inside source and the 3 of us will have a discussion.
I think there was also some talk about me no longer being in my current position. I hope that this post will clear that up as well. I won't be posting much on here much but guys like QuickDraw can answer just about anything you will want to know. Don't kill him with PMs but he chimes in when he sees questions.
As for Steiner in general, we have a ton of new projects going on and we are all very hard at it. It just doesn't leave much time for forums unfortunately. Now I'll try to get through this thread and hopefully get to some PMs.
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Maybe a new project is am awesome spotter with a mil reticle in a very compact package 
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You should have asked about Steiner when you were on the phone with the Burris guys. They are one and the same. lol We use the same tech reps.
Why would Burris have anything to do with a Steiner scope or a Steiner anything? That's like saying I sure hope Benelli has nothing to do with the design of the new Beretta rifle. Why would they?
Please take Burris discussions out of this thread. It's not relevant at all. We share a bathroom and a refrigerator and sometimes those guys will eat our donuts and coffee (usually SkyI suspect lol) but other than that we have nothing in common and we share nothing as far as products go. We have worked on things cooperatively such as reticle design and thats never a bad thing for the end user. I couldn't tell you anything about what they are doing on their side of the building and they couldn't tell you anything about what we are doing. They simply don't know and don't care. Oh and we share a warehouse but the stipulation is that their stuff not touch our stuff because we don't want cooties. I hope that clears up the Steiner/Burris relationship.
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Sounds like a girlfriend I once had. She didn't know, didn't care and thats why she had Cooties.
Kidding aside, thanks for the update.
Thanks for following up.
Can you expand on these enhancements leading to the price increase? Are these tangible features the end user will see and/or use on the range, or are they more mechanical in nature; ie. making the product more robust, different glass, etc.?
Cheers
As far as complaints, I have no issues with the release dates being pushed back a little, I think that price point is great and am excited to pick up a 5-25. Like I said, I like the new reticle a lot, I think people are stuck on MSR because it was one of the better ones in the "Euro" glass but this new one is really great for comp shooters.
My only concern was that the official Steiner rep went AWOL from the thread for almost four months, and obviously that has been corrected as of today. Probably better that he is working on actual products than hand holding in the forum, but a monthly check in might go a long way in the future on these.
Quickdraw and Martin(Steiner Rep) are both good dudes, they were fun to meet at the SH Cup. If the glass in the 5-25 is on par with the Military line and the turrets track like other Steiners do by reputation, this is going to be one helluva scope at almost half the weight of the Vortex Razor Gen 2. I want one for a LR hunting rifle/match rifle. Good job guys!
My only concern was that the official Steiner rep went AWOL from the thread for almost four months, and obviously that has been corrected as of today. Probably better that he is working on actual products than hand holding in the forum, but a monthly check in might go a long way in the future on these.
Quickdraw and Martin(Steiner Rep) are both good dudes, they were fun to meet at the SH Cup. If the glass in the 5-25 is on par with the Military line and the turrets track like other Steiners do by reputation, this is going to be one helluva scope at almost half the weight of the Vortex Razor Gen 2. I want one for a LR hunting rifle/match rifle. Good job guys!
Umm what? Switch what line? The XTR II's are imported. The T5Xi is manufactured in the US. What line are they switching?
We felt that opening up the turret windows would improve the visibility of the numbers. It was already very good but why settle if you think you can do it better? So we made the decision to have this reworked and the parts made which set us back on the release date. That's one of the reasons we are going to miss the date. I thought it was worth it once I saw the redesigned prototype turret. Well worth the wait if you ask me, and they did, so we waited.
The other enhancements were in the glass and coatings. You most likely won't notice the changes we made considering you most likely didn't see the first models we were running around with but we thought it was good to come out of the gate with the best product possible. It cost more but that's always the case when it comes to better glass.
Glad to see that you are here answering questions. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, QuickDraw deserves a bonus and kudos for trying to keep up with this thread's madness while you were otherwise occupied.
In any case, as I did not schedule my life around the release of this scope, I am still quite pleased to be in line for one.
In any case, as I did not schedule my life around the release of this scope, I am still quite pleased to be in line for one.
Not directed at you specifically but to anyone feeling they NEED answers immediately:
I wasn't posting on here for a reason that I won't share. No harm in letting you boys talk amongst yourselves. Any update I would have posted would have been incorrect in the end and that's what we wanted to avoid. If you look at the original post you will see that everything was very open ended. Expected pricing, target release dates, etc. We are aware of what the chatter is and when we need to jump in we will but having just read the entire thread there really wasn't much to address. Impatience isn't an emergency. When I have concrete information that you can count on then I will let everyone know which is what I'm doing. Things change extremely fast when releasing a new scope. What I know today was speculation yesterday and just an idea the day before. Tomorrow it may completely change again. It's the nature of the business.
One other thing, your dealers didn't have a pricing structure because we didn't want them taking your money too soon. Please don't speculate as to why we didn't have a final pricing structure. It was done to protect both you and us. Steiner has taken no orders for these scopes for that reason or they just started taking them in the last couple of days (not my department). We don't want someone hanging on to your cash until we have something ready to go out the door. If you sent someone money or preordered then that is between you and them, not you and Steiner.
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Don't worry about QuickDraw, that guy is fondling at least $10k worth of my stuff as we speak.
Ok, those are some fair points and you obviously had a reason you don't want to discuss for not posting. Again, I never complained at all, just made the statement yesterday that September was almost gone and we hadn't heard much of anything from you officially. I appreciate you guys not playing the over promise game, I don't think that has been done at all.
Really what it comes down to is this just seemed like a scope almost too good to be true (which is a good problem to have) and then when communication kinda just disappeared it made people possibly think that something was up. Really looking forward to running one of these, thanks for updating us and putting out what seems to be a great product. Also, thanks again for supporting matches like the Cup and taking your time to be there, really makes a difference on the shooter end and helps us decide who to support with our limited glass budgets!
Lol! Color me jealous.Don't worry about QuickDraw, that guy is fondling at least $10k worth of my stuff as we speak.
I don't know if it's been considered by Steiner , but a mli rangefinder (similar to the G7BR2 ) by Steiner for less $$$$ would be another world beater just as the new scope is bound to be .
Just a suggestion , Thanks for the update !
Just a suggestion , Thanks for the update !
I have to say that's more like it hearing from the Steiner rep. That's all most of us were looking for. Not so hard or time consuming was it? Minor price increase no issue for me! Still seems like a smoking deal!!!
Good to see the Steiner Rep in the forum again. Makes me wonder if my letter to my beloved 5-25 finally made it through.
Are you serious? SMH If you are so sure then come check it out for yourself. Not sure what else to tell you. Heck let's make it interesting and put a wager on it.
Not so hard but yes very time consuming and it will be even more time consuming if I have to come back and eat my words.
What is that saying? "Crow is best eaten warm"? Anyone who has done anything of note has had delays, cost overruns, and the like. All that can be forgiven. What does hurt (and I'm NOT saying Steiner did this) is feeling like you were sandbagged. So if something doesn't go according to plan, just let us know and we will all be cool.
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It's valid question. I know why ours scope costs us what it does and we aren't losing money on it. I can't answer for anyone else.
When will you give the green light for vendors to accept pre-orders? And how many units will be in the first run, roughly?
Mr. Steiner Rep, any chance you could hook us up with some new pics (I still haven't seen the 1-5x)?
Thanks for somehow tolerating this crowd.
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Holy shit, you're not dead! Welcome back, this thread turned into a clustercuss while you were away.
Thanks Martin, for doing this. You just saved me a bunch of time and customer hand-wringing. It's always best to get the official word directly from the man in charge.
Scott
Scott
The team has been shooting these
http://www.opticsplanet.com/steiner-8x30-military-r-lrf-binoculars.html
the past couple of months. It took a lot for me to give up my 10x50s, but these new, smaller, faster, lighter models with a G2B reticle are great. They have ranged at matches where other manufacturers would not work.
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That will be up to the dealers once we have accepted their orders which I have verified we have not done yet.
There are a large number of scopes coming in this first run all of which are 5-25 SCRs but it's hard to say if it will be enough to meet the demand. I'm sure you can understand that I can't give you an exact number.
But to me I don't think it really did. Some wanting them to come out right away and some people just spreading rumors. Other than that it wasn't too bad. It's entertaining even for me so carry on.
Could you give us a pic of the redesigned turret?
Re: the improved glass, in what way did the image quality improve? Resolution, contrast, or both? Could you share the resolution number? The reason I ask is in these high magnification scopes the image gets real dim between 17-25x. Did a new coating technology become available to improve the image quality at 25x?
If you will be at the 2014 Precision Rifle Series Finale match this weekend, DTros (Dorgan with Team Steiner) will be shooting a 5-25 prototype and I will be shooting one at the ThunderBeast Team Challenge in a couple of weeks. Find us and check them out.
Steiner Optics, are you able to provide an estimate of when these scopes may make their way to Australia?
