New World Record

[CompMatch91]

So I joined this group, club, organization to get some pointers on reaching out to 1000 yards. However the verbal beatings some people have taken here makes me apprehensive to ask any questions or post any responses in threads. I guess I'll just stick to reading and hope someone asks the question I wanted to ask eventually.

Welcome to the thunderdome.

 

[AuNEagle]

So I joined this group, club, organization to get some pointers on reaching out to 1000 yards. However the verbal beatings some people have taken here makes me apprehensive to ask any questions or post any responses in threads. I guess I'll just stick to reading and hope someone asks the question I wanted to ask eventually.

I'm a relatively new member here. I actually have read this site for quite a while but registered just a few months ago. As others have said, simply searching the site can get you answers to a lot of questions.

I recently had a question regarding if I should order a 20 MOA scope base for a new scope. My approach was to do my own research, on this site and other internet searches, and come to my own conclusions. Then I created a post here asking for others to check my math/thinking. As a noob/nobody here, I was actually very impressed with the helpful responses that I received. But IMO part of that was that I remained open to, and thankful for, the suggestions I received and didn't set out on an Internet ego-trip trying to tell everyone offering their thoughts why they were wrong. I'm a pretty bright guy I also but try to be wise enough to know that when somebody with a ton more experience on a topic tells me I should look at something a bit differently, my default position should be that I'm probably the one that needs to adjust my thinking. There's plenty of time to step back, re-assess and then return and respectively challenge aspects of a discussion if necessary. But IMO it's just common courtesy to carefully consider the advice that other posters take the time to offer.

 

[cavemanmoore]

I'm surprised at the apparent hurt feelings in this thread. In fact, it offends me. Someone clean this up before I protest.

Congrats to the dude who hit the really big target sitting way out there. I've never shot that far so its safe to assume I would miss.

 

[CompMatch91]

it completely baffles me how so many people can become so butthurt over the slightest shit on the interweb, first off if your confused about something try to physically figure it the f out, if that doesn't work try searching and reading about it... if you still can't resolve your issue take a day to think about whether or not to ask the question here... then if you think its appropriate to start a thread take a few more days figuring out how to word it so you don't sound like a moron.. after that if you haven't already forgot about the problem (in which case you should immediately slap yourself in the face for even considering wasting our time with something so insignificant in the first place) write the post and maybe if it really interests someone on here you will receive an intelligent response....

jk. or am i....

 

[TripleBull]

I've never shot that far so its safe to assume I would miss.

With an attitude like that, I'd have to agree.

 

[steve123]

This thread reminds me of when I hit a 7" plate at 300Y with my 30 caliber pcp air rifle using .047BC pellets. Out of about 15 shots in 4-7 mph winds with a 3-4 mil holdoff I hit it 3 times. Does that fall within the definition of repeatable? Not too me. All I know is I was happy to have hit it.

I'd like to take a few pops with someone's ELR rig at the distance in the OP's video, even though it's a pretty big target! Worth a try anyway. He definitely gets an atta boy.

I'm with the crowd that is not about to spend $$$$ to travel, etc, to risk not advancing past the first leg in a ELR match. You'd have to be super into ELR and/or have plenty of expendable income I guess. Maybe the people that put on these matches are trying to limit the amount of entrants and that way certainly works.

12 years ago I remember hitting a 4' plate at 2500Y quite often with my 375CT and thinking that was a long way off and now look what ELR shooters do, crazy!

People go to matches to have fun and it seems to me that a higher hit ratio match would be the most fun, it is for me that's for sure. If you put out moa sized targets and it gets windy that match is going to suck!
But I can see that past a certain distance envelope the targets would get too big to be practical if you want to hit any of them often. The trick is balancing distance with target size in a match setting, not too small, not too big.

As far as ELR matches go I think they should have a qualifier match the day before the real match with 338 cal on down using under 100 grains of powder, with a lower entry fee and medium cost prizes. Also another division for the big guns 338 cal and above and over 100 grains of powder. All these guys get to engage all the targets at reasonable distances at least 5 times and have the targets reasonably sized to hit often for the top shooters.
Following day take the top however many shooters that finished high in each division and have them battle for the win. The victors getting the higher cost prizes.
If it works out for a 3rd day, or after the main match on day 2, set out some bigger barn door targets farther away to be engaged in a side shoot for those with the desire to do so.
Hopefully that will satisfy most of the shooters????

 

[BigBlastin300win]

Can't find any evidence of you being attacked in the last week. Makes me think you're the troll.

Found a now locked thread from the end of January where you probably should've been banned for thread crapping in the PX. Theis wasn't in that thread. Not a good idea to continually attack Commercial Supporters. So far the second one you have attacked.



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I call bullshit. Or you hacked somebody else's account.

Evidence I've seen you're either a hacker or a troll.

In case you didn't realize it @THEIS and fcs are two different people. And you attacked fcs first.

You know the funny thing is.....the mod said he was actually going to call out the other guys and had no problem with me. You just valided everything I said. Not here to educate or help just here to spam and shit on/in threads. I didn't direct anything towards you and here you are SD for thesis

 

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It happens. The other guy started it, but when in the PX, we really need to not respond.

Thanks for Pm thoigh.

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FCS was talking shit in that thread as well. Just so happens thesis was talking shit on another I posted. I aint here to point finger bitch cry whatever you want to call it just pointing out facts. Y'all on the hide are bonered out to talk shit on any thread. Thesis can't even remember because he is too busy shit talking all day. And you are too busy s'n D

 

[LeftyJason]

You know the funny thing is.....the mod said he was actually going to call out the other guys and had no problem with me. You just valided everything I said. Not here to educate or help just here to spam and shit on/in threads. I didn't direct anything towards you and here you are SD for thesis

How little you remember.

Your thunderbeast cb thread. Reread posts 4,5,6, and 8. Note your responses to mine.

 

[BigBlastin300win]

How little you remember.

Your thunderbeast cb thread. Reread posts 4,5,6, and 8. Note your responses to mine.

Bro tell how does thesis dick taste since you love it so much? Also Fcs? You are just here shit talking cuz you love the taste..... I can shit talk to it aint hard. Yeah man I had no beef with you until this thread. But in the hide you have to have "thick skin" or in this sense talk shit back to everyone who reply's back to you, who you didn't mention once (in any comment). And yeah go back and look at my threads and get some ammo to fight me i dont give af. Shit is easy.

This is too funny is that your wife filling out paper work cuz you lost a finger nail on your thumb???

Accidents happen

Warning graphic content. Last Thursday January 31st I was at work using a palm router to rout out foam for shadowboxing purposes. While reaching up to turn it off and laying it down, it slipped and my left thumb went into the spinning router bit. I immediately grabbed a bunch of paper towels...

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You don't know where to get loc tite as well???

Stupid door thieves

So I ordered some loctite 272 since I have no idea where to get it locally. Replacing my rainier arms compensator with a Tbac CB flash hider. It got delivered today at 1220. By the time I got home at 205 it was already gone. Now what I want to know is what they think they will do with 36ml of...

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Shit is too easy

 

[cavemanmoore]

With an attitude like that, I'd have to agree.

Now you're just repeating what I said.

Noticed you are in Colorado. Any chance you're on the Western Slope?

 

[Lawrence60]

I probably wouldn't even be able to see the target at that range even with a 25 X magnification scope so well done and maybe we do need a governing body to recognise this type of achievement

 

[Geno C.]

I probably wouldn't even be able to see the target at that range even with a 25 X magnification scope so well done and maybe we do need a governing body to recognise this type of achievement

If you can see a 7” square at 400, you can see that target at that distance

 

[TripleBull]

Now you're just repeating what I said.

Noticed you are in Colorado. Any chance you're on the Western Slope?

No sir, I live N of Denver at the moment.

Just yanking your chain on attitude. With ELR, I've had a blast learning, stretching legs, buying toys. I'm naïve enough to think I could, Wanted-like, curve a 357 magnum around a tree and clip a fly's wings at a mile. How hard can it be?

 

[Tokay444]

Bro tell how does thesis dick taste since you love it so much? Also Fcs? You are just here shit talking cuz you love the taste..... I can shit talk to it aint hard. Yeah man I had no beef with you until this thread. But in the hide you have to have "thick skin" or in this sense talk shit back to everyone who reply's back to you, who you didn't mention once (in any comment). And yeah go back and look at my threads and get some ammo to fight me i dont give af. Shit is easy.

This is too funny is that your wife filling out paper work cuz you lost a finger nail on your thumb???

Accidents happen

Warning graphic content. Last Thursday January 31st I was at work using a palm router to rout out foam for shadowboxing purposes. While reaching up to turn it off and laying it down, it slipped and my left thumb went into the spinning router bit. I immediately grabbed a bunch of paper towels...

www.snipershide.com

You don't know where to get loc tite as well???

Stupid door thieves

So I ordered some loctite 272 since I have no idea where to get it locally. Replacing my rainier arms compensator with a Tbac CB flash hider. It got delivered today at 1220. By the time I got home at 205 it was already gone. Now what I want to know is what they think they will do with 36ml of...

www.snipershide.com

Shit is too easy

It’s Theis.

 

[phlegethon]

It’s Theis.

That was the one issue you had with the entire post?

 

[Tokay444]

That was the one issue you had with the entire post?

The rest was TL;DR. Too much cry.

 

[Steel head]

No sir, I live N of Denver at the moment.

Mmmm

Chubby’s green chili burrito and smothered fries!

I’d eat so much of it I’d make a world record poop!

 

[THEIS]

The rest was TL;DR. Too much cry.

 

[Mike Casselton]

Chubby’s green chili burrito and smothered fries!
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I’d eat so much of it I’d make a world record poop!

Gol-Dangit @Steel head

Now ya gone and dunnit!

I'm sitting here on the couch being all lazy and shit. You bring up a green chili burrito just before lunch time?
I had no plans to do anything today.

How unfair can you be?

 

[Steel head]

Gol-Dangit @Steel head

Now ya gone and dunnit!

I'm sitting here on the couch being all lazy and shit. You bring up a green chili burrito just before lunch time?
I had no plans to do anything today.

How unfair can you be?

 

[Diver160651]

Hi,

YEP the hit to move on sucks if you do not hit, no doubt about that. @Diver160651 outline is way better for sure.
@Diver160651 you want to put that style match on in August or September? I will sponsor it and pay all range fees, ROs, etc etc

We'll this would not be the first time someone has suggested this. While we have the spots already vetted on BLM capable to do this, the last thing I'd want to do is be responsible for a crowd of unknown entities. At least at our private club where we run the Team UKD, PRS and monthlies, the club is indemnified, yet not big enough to shoot unlimited distance.

BTW here is one of my ELR spots. We have two ranges set up at 90-degree angles, you can see guys walking from the range to the right that is out of frame. Most of the guys are on the Hide. We'll get guys camping out for the weekend and shooting. That said it is just a fun shoot, yet we have more guys than some ELR "matches" lol.

PS the worst are the ELR matches that say something like "We had 7 guns on the line today", yet that usually means fewer shooters like 4 people. When people want to know why some of us seem to call the BS flag on a lot of the ELR chest-pounding, this is why. More often than not they are selling something that is not 100% on the level, just to make things seem bigger than they are.

Jim

 

[THEIS]

We'll this would not be the first time someone has suggested this. While we have the spots already vetted on BLM capable to do this, the last thing I'd want to do is be responsible for a crowd of unknown entities. At least at our private club where we run the Team UKD, PRS and monthlies, but the club is indemnified, yet not big enough to shoot unlimited distance.
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BTW here is one of my ELR spots. We have two ranges set up at 90-degree angles, you can see guys walking from the range to the right that is out of frame. Most of the guys are on the Hide. We'll get guys camping out for the weekend and shooting. That said it is just a fun shoot, yet we have more guys than some ELR "matches" lol.

Jim

Hi,

My company will provide the insurance rider

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[timintx]

There won’t be the 3593 or 41 target next month. This targets are on a neighbors pasture and the cows are in there starting early April.

Damit, WTH!!!!!!! . Well luckly we have a match going to 3900 yards soon here in Tx only one hour from my home , that is gonna be a hoot!!!! The beast is ready, well at least if it is not Kansas windy. I am totally pumped for that one.

Tim in Tx

 

[Geno C.]

Damit, WTH!!!!!!! . Well luckly we have a match going to 3900 yards soon here in Tx only one hour from my home , that is gonna be a hoot!!!! The beast is ready, well at least if it is not Kansas windy. I am totally pumped for that one.

Tim in Tx

Those targets are on a neighbors field and the cattle are usually let out on that one early April. It usually ends at 2913 for most of the rest of the season. Don’t let that fool your the hit percentage at 2913 isn’t really that high. I was only able to get 2 impacts on it once last season.

 

[Garvey]

Lots of good points made in this thread.

On my range, 2 MOA targets are used for learning DOPE on a rifle. 1 MOA targets are for testing equipment and shooters. A TYL at the end of the range gets down to 1/2 MOA. But 1/2 MOA at 800 yards is not nearly the same as 1/2 MOA at 3600 yards. The increased yardage adds in more wind directions, and terrain features.

Evidently there are going to be disagreements on target sizes for ELR. It would probably be helpful if some type of voting took place to finally come up with some standards maybe most folks could agree with.

 

[GrumpyOleFart]

I am amazed at the distances in ELR shooting.
Every year, it just stretches out further.
Just give it a go and have fun.
Smacking the piss out of ferals at distance is fun.

 

[akmike47]

I hit a 10” X 10” plate at 4500 yards the other day....no biggie as the winds were a mere 10-15 with a few gusts here and there. Wish someone else was there to see it. Managed to hit 2/3 with my tactical operations sniper kit,

Savage 10 FCP 308
Tasco
Remington 150 grain core lokt

I am offended, my 10fcp shoots pretty decent for the money

 

[DJL2]

Roulette. I hope everyone understands this guy (and all the rest of these) just won a round of roulette.

Obviously it takes some significant level of skill and knowledge to even get into the ballpark of the target at that distance, but the target is probably 1/3 to 1/4 the height of elevation spread just from MV, being generous. Never mind wind, aerodynamic jump, drag variability, etc...

It's the same thing as 1000yd bench rest world record groups. Impressive, sure... in the same way winning the lottery is. Throw enough groups at paper at 1000yd with tuned out systems, and eventually you're going to throw some .1 MOA 5 shotters and .25-.35 MOA 10 shotters down range.

Anyway, I still maintain some poor schmuck has probably been hit by a deck gun or rail gun directly at 20-25 miles so what's 3000-6000yd?

Last I heard, Scharnhorst held the record... 24km /15 miles according to Guinness, on HMS Warspite, 08 June 1940.

Though, I wouldn't be surprised to hear our rail gun testing had bettered that considerably, just don't have a number for it.

 

[Lawrence60]

If you can see a 7” square at 400, you can see that target at that distance

At the moment I can't even get my FAC approved because of lockdown waiting for the police to put on masks and gloves and do my home security check. We have all the fun in the UK.

If you can see a 7” square at 400, you can see that target at that distance

 

[fieroX]

Thanks to those of you that support me I appreciate all of the kind words. I didnt ask to hit that target, the simulation just allowed it to happen at that moment and I set the internet on fire because of it. Im glad Robert Brantley and Ken Johnson hit 4229 yds at the match earlier this month at Ringneck ranch though, Im not one that craves the limelight. I didnt hit the 4229, but I did scare it. I did hit the 2 mile target at Ringneck, so that was 2 matches in a row that I hit the 2 mile target. I would consider that backing it up. Anyone else on the planet hit 2 miles 2 matches in a row under 5 shots with a 338? Bet not. Also there was some debate earlier in the thread about hit percentages at distances inside of a mile, yada yada, and I will post the score sheet from the spearpoint match (heavy division) that was last weekend, where the top 10 shooters combined, in the first 4 targets from 1510-1943 yds posted a 71% impact rate. Anyway, I realize after reading this thread why I dont visit snipershide very often. Back to bitching at each other. Later.

 

[GrumpyOleFart]

I'm a bit concerned there are no 6.5 Creedmoor on that list..........

 

[Steel head]

 

[Rocky59]

Looking at the Spec. He pushed the 338 Cal to the limit.

• Rifle: GA Precision Custom
• Cartridge: 33XC
• Action: Defiance Deviant Tactical
• Stock: Manners F-Class
• Trigger: Triggertech Diamond Two-Stage
• Barrel: 35-inch Bartlein with a 9.5 twist
• Muzzle brake: Terminator T4
• Scope: Nightforce ATACR 7-35×56 with Mil-C reticle
• Bipod: Phoenix
• Bullet: .338-caliber Hornady 300-grain A-Tip
• Muzzle velocity: 3,165 fps
• Time of flight: 9.4 seconds to 4,137 yards

 

[Ledzep]

Also there was some debate earlier in the thread about hit percentages at distances inside of a mile, yada yada, and I will post the score sheet from the spearpoint match (heavy division) that was last weekend, where the top 10 shooters combined, in the first 4 targets from 1510-1943 yds posted a 71% impact rate.

When you don't cherry pick the best data out of a set, things look a little less impressive. Also bear in mind the hit probability calculations I do typically take into account a wind reading error of 2-4mph. Essentially a cold bore shot every time. As you can see here, cold bore vs. after you've shot 15 rounds in the day's wind produces quite a bit different results at the same range. I don't know if they were the same size target? Target sizes would be nice to know. It's the same thing in a PRS/NRL match, though. Everything after the 1st stage you have a pretty good idea what the wind is doing. When it comes to something like a military or hunting application, you don't have that benefit. All that said, even with the wind taken out, these pretty much line up with what I've been saying. Out to a mile, fairly doable, much past 2000, almost a waste of time. YMMV.

1670 Cold bore
15/62
24%

Target 1: 1510
98/155
63%

Target 2: 1669
89/155
57%

Target 3: 1850
83/155
53%

Target 4: 1943
71/155
46%

Target 5: 2073
57/155
37%

Target 6: 2203
48/155
31%

Target 7: 2913
9/155
5.8%

Overall:
41%

 

[Bender]

Hey ELR guys, when yer done crying.

 

[Geno C.]

When you don't cherry pick the best data out of a set, things look a little less impressive. Also bear in mind the hit probability calculations I do typically take into account a wind reading error of 2-4mph. Essentially a cold bore shot every time. As you can see here, cold bore vs. after you've shot 15 rounds in the day's wind produces quite a bit different results at the same range. I don't know if they were the same size target? Target sizes would be nice to know. It's the same thing in a PRS/NRL match, though. Everything after the 1st stage you have a pretty good idea what the wind is doing. When it comes to something like a military or hunting application, you don't have that benefit. All that said, even with the wind taken out, these pretty much line up with what I've been saying. Out to a mile, fairly doable, much past 2000, almost a waste of time. YMMV.

1670 Cold bore
15/62
24%

Target 1: 1510
98/155
63%

Target 2: 1669
89/155
57%

Target 3: 1850
83/155
53%

Target 4: 1943
71/155
46%

Target 5: 2073
57/155
37%

Target 6: 2203
48/155
31%

Target 7: 2913
9/155
5.8%

Overall:
41%

The 4100 target was 6’x6’
The 4200 target was 5’x8’

 

[Ravenworks]

The 4100 target was 6’x6’
The 4200 target was 5’x8’

It's all relative, but hey no one was looking.

 

[abn31c]

Waiting for "True Housewives of ELR" to debut on TBS.
Maybe someday the adults will gain control, but right now it's looks like a hot mess.

 

[LeftyJason]

Waiting for "True Housewives of ELR" to debut on TBS.
Maybe someday the adults will gain control, but right now it's looks like a hot mess.

True Housewives of NV would be more entertaining. It already has been.

 

[timintx]

When you don't cherry pick the best data out of a set, things look a little less impressive. Also bear in mind the hit probability calculations I do typically take into account a wind reading error of 2-4mph. Essentially a cold bore shot every time. As you can see here, cold bore vs. after you've shot 15 rounds in the day's wind produces quite a bit different results at the same range. I don't know if they were the same size target? Target sizes would be nice to know. It's the same thing in a PRS/NRL match, though. Everything after the 1st stage you have a pretty good idea what the wind is doing. When it comes to something like a military or hunting application, you don't have that benefit. All that said, even with the wind taken out, these pretty much line up with what I've been saying. Out to a mile, fairly doable, much past 2000, almost a waste of time. YMMV.

1670 Cold bore
15/62
24%

Target 1: 1510
98/155
63%

Target 2: 1669
89/155
57%

Target 3: 1850
83/155
53%

Target 4: 1943
71/155
46%

Target 5: 2073
57/155
37%

Target 6: 2203
48/155
31%

Target 7: 2913
9/155
5.8%

Overall:
41%

The match you speak of was very difficult winds so naturally hit percentages suffer. Here is last months match where winds were reasonable , not calm either, Kansas is never calm . The hit percentages are significantly higher and do more to represent the skill set of the shooters in general.

Tim in Tx

 

[Geno C.]

The match you speak of was very difficult winds so naturally hit percentages suffer. Here is last months match where winds were reasonable , not calm either, Kansas is never calm . The hit percentages are significantly higher and do more to represent the skill set of the shooters in general.

Tim in Tx
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That match was shot in the most calm conditions of any Spearpoint match, ever.

 

[phlegethon]

The match you speak of was very difficult winds so naturally hit percentages suffer. Here is last months match where winds were reasonable , not calm either, Kansas is never calm . The hit percentages are significantly higher and do more to represent the skill set of the shooters in general.

Tim in Tx
View attachment 7631887

edit: it looks like what you posted is the same match @Ledzep analyzed.

 

[RonA]

Maybe they could design a target that senses the bullet coming and moves the target to where the bullet is going to hit.

 

[LeftyJason]

Maybe they could design a target that senses the bullet coming and moves the target to where the bullet is going to hit.

Like this?

 

[timintx]

That match was shot in the most calm conditions of any Spearpoint match, ever.

Well I guess if I can blame it on excessive winds you can blame it on calm lol. The main point is that everybody was capable and prepared if given the opportunity. So the equipment and the shooters can actually hit those extreme distances on a fairly regular basis which is increasing by the month at least to 2910. I wish I could have gone to that match , but will go to the June match if I can get in .

Tim in Tx

 

[Geno C.]

Well I guess if I can blame it on excessive winds you can blame it on calm lol. The main point is that everybody was capable and prepared if given the opportunity. So the equipment and the shooters can actually hit those extreme distances on a fairly regular basis which is increasing by the month at least to 2910. I wish I could have gone to that match , but will go to the June match if I can get in .

Tim in Tx

That’s my point as well. Given the most calm conditions seem there, that hit list is a pretty good representation of what is currently capable of being hit.

 

[phlegethon]

That’s my point as well. Given the most calm conditions seem there, that hit list is a pretty good representation of what is currently capable of being hit.

And the hit rate is well below 50% past 2k.

 

[Geno C.]

And the hit rate is well below 50% past 2k.

I’m aware. I shot there all last season. I can attest to the difficult winds that are usually present there. Being that this last months match was the most calm conditions ever shot in there, it gives a better representation of what is currently capable with today’s equipment with a good part of that list being made up of experienced shooters that have shot there quite a bit.

Something has to progress in order to make these farther out impacts more predictable and repeatable. Could be wind reading equipment that’s consumer priced, or cases that can take more pressure and give more speed to get in and out of the wind faster. Small steps eventually will lead to measurable progress

 

[Steel head]

I’m aware. I shot there all last season. I can attest to the difficult winds that are usually present there. Being that this last months match was the most calm conditions ever shot in there, it gives a better representation of what is currently capable with today’s equipment with a good part of that list being made up of experienced shooters that have shot there quite a bit.

Something has to progress in order to make these farther out impacts more predictable and repeatable. Could be wind reading equipment that’s consumer priced, or cases that can take more pressure and give more speed to get in and out of the wind faster. Small steps eventually will lead to measurable progress

Let’s just improve our current abilities and apparent skill with bigger targets?