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Is that a math problem you want us to solve to verify the range is correct?How about this?
1 minute tall / quarter-minute wide at 2000 yards.
Or a standard square or circle?
Something repeatable.
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I still remember back in the very early days of the Hide when the same pissing match, arm chair shooters and those who knew everything would eat up on a shooter who hit a 1000 yard target with a 338LM, It just never ends. But yet the industry has been pushed and now folks are screaming the same negatively while the 4000 yard window is being pushed.
Honestly I think this whole discussion took a wrong turn when a fellow shooter who was jacked/excited about someone else’s accomplishment accidentally used the word world record versus new longest hit in competition under the clock or new personal best In the title of this thread.
Good points have been made but many statements as far as the accuracy, inconsistency and others are null. Maybe some of you folks are used to having the extreme spreads in your speed and tend to spray bullets all over but a lot of the equipment used in theses events are accurate and can achieve very tight verticals at distance if they didn’t you would not see the repetitive impacts plates and scores. I for one knows what it takes and have proved it on targets in the past. For most it’s more of a game against the wind pushing the bullet left and right as well as the bullet up and down due to wind currents and the terrain. Thats the real challenge to understand and correct off of with limited shots and the clock ticking away.
After reading all the comments its very obvious that everyone seems to have their own idea as to how a event should be run and what shape and size the targets should be, heck this is a prime example as to why the event organizers have the same problem. If you think a certain range has a bogus set of targets or format then find something that fits your needs and go shoot there instead, but just maybe you could attend one of these so called events that have the large plates and a boat full of shooters with poor skills and sub par equipment and go kick there butts it should be like taking candy from someone if its as easy as you say.
Its to bad everyone had to have a shit storm on a thread where someone was pretty proud of their accomplishments or of a fellow shooters accomplishment. Then you wonder why the shooting community struggles at times with growth hell I wonder what a new up and coming shooter wanting to stretch things out beyond his goals must think after reading 4 pages of what?
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oneshot.onehit
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Honestly I think this whole discussion took a wrong turn when a fellow shooter who was jacked/excited about someone else’s accomplishment accidentally used the word world record versus new longest hit in competition under the clock or new personal best In the title of this thread.
Good points have been made but many statements as far as the accuracy, inconsistency and others are null. Maybe some of you folks are used to having the extreme spreads in your speed and tend to spray bullets all over but a lot of the equipment used in theses events are accurate and can achieve very tight verticals at distance if they didn’t you would not see the repetitive impacts plates and scores. I for one knows what it takes and have proved it on targets in the past. For most it’s more of a game against the wind pushing the bullet left and right as well as the bullet up and down due to wind currents and the terrain. Thats the real challenge to understand and correct off of with limited shots and the clock ticking away.
After reading all the comments its very obvious that everyone seems to have their own idea as to how a event should be run and what shape and size the targets should be, heck this is a prime example as to why the event organizers have the same problem. If you think a certain range has a bogus set of targets or format then find something that fits your needs and go shoot there instead, but just maybe you could attend one of these so called events that have the large plates and a boat full of shooters with poor skills and sub par equipment and go kick there butts it should be like taking candy from someone if its as easy as you say.
Its to bad everyone had to have a shit storm on a thread where someone was pretty proud of their accomplishments or of a fellow shooters accomplishment. Then you wonder why the shooting community struggles at times with growth hell I wonder what a new up and coming shooter wanting to stretch things out beyond his goals must think after reading 4 pages of what?
Cheers
oneshot.onehit
JH
That is a great example and extremely simple .It would certainly be challenging. I do like any gun any sight format but I have never liked the hit to move on rule . I understand it is a necessary evil but still hate it lol. I think the draw or allure to a shooter like me is to shoot all of the distances at least for the money I paid to do it. Many times I sucked on the short targets but could not miss on the longer targets so I hope I dont suck on that first target . The thought of going out in three shots in a monthly match is scary however if it was 5 shot to move on I would feel I little better about risking going to the match. The terrain is a factor as well, if it is flatland I am in but if it is in mountains and rock cliffs I am risking getting bit by updrafts and mirage shifts and that scares me a bit more so the risk of getting knocked out early goes up.. That is tough to handle when spending 1000.00 or more for the trip to do it at least in my present financial state .
Tim in Tx
The more you shoot these matches, the more you dislike the hit to move on. A guy catches bad timing with the wind for 5-6 minutes while shooting the short target and you’re out.
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You know, I don't remember people shitting on anybody shooting a 338 at 1000 and getting ridiculed for it. I don't remember that at all.
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Hi,
YEP the hit to move on sucks if you do not hit, no doubt about that. @Diver160651 outline is way better for sure.
@Diver160651 you want to put that style match on in August or September? I will sponsor it and pay all range fees, ROs, etc etc
BUT it does a few different things while sucking.....
1. It shines light onto the misperception that 2500m and 3000m is "done all day with no problems because we are hitting at 2+ miles" that is filling all aspects of ELR marketing and social medias.
A. Same thing as all the "my gun is 1/4MOA all day"...BS because I can show you this past California State BR competition where that 1/4MOA rifle would put you in top 5.
2. It provides a non sugar coated, no BS..that shooter is the winner; no doubt about it he/she fucking won. They beat the environmental conditions hands down with pretty much zero luck.
3. It highlights that the industry in itself is not advanced to the point some think it has (Hence pushing for more companies to advance it); well at least in terms of affordability (Hence my previous post of the 200k+ dollars in support equipment the .gov types have).
4. It gives newer shooters getting into or wanting to get into ELR a realistic expectation. Right now we have guys coming in thinking that their 6.5CM puts them in the running to be able to win a 2k match because they read somewhere someone hit 2500yd with it.
There are lots of different events that SUCK if you do not do well right out the gate..
National and International Sambo/Ju-Jitsu single elimination tournaments. Nothing like travelling all the way to Romania and loosing first round, lol.
Race car teams having to "qualify" for race day. Nothing like hauling entire race team from coast to coast to have your crew chief not read the environmental conditions correctly and you do not even qualify for the race.
Sincerely,
Theis
YEP the hit to move on sucks if you do not hit, no doubt about that. @Diver160651 outline is way better for sure.
@Diver160651 you want to put that style match on in August or September? I will sponsor it and pay all range fees, ROs, etc etc
BUT it does a few different things while sucking.....
1. It shines light onto the misperception that 2500m and 3000m is "done all day with no problems because we are hitting at 2+ miles" that is filling all aspects of ELR marketing and social medias.
A. Same thing as all the "my gun is 1/4MOA all day"...BS because I can show you this past California State BR competition where that 1/4MOA rifle would put you in top 5.
2. It provides a non sugar coated, no BS..that shooter is the winner; no doubt about it he/she fucking won. They beat the environmental conditions hands down with pretty much zero luck.
3. It highlights that the industry in itself is not advanced to the point some think it has (Hence pushing for more companies to advance it); well at least in terms of affordability (Hence my previous post of the 200k+ dollars in support equipment the .gov types have).
4. It gives newer shooters getting into or wanting to get into ELR a realistic expectation. Right now we have guys coming in thinking that their 6.5CM puts them in the running to be able to win a 2k match because they read somewhere someone hit 2500yd with it.
There are lots of different events that SUCK if you do not do well right out the gate..
National and International Sambo/Ju-Jitsu single elimination tournaments. Nothing like travelling all the way to Romania and loosing first round, lol.
Race car teams having to "qualify" for race day. Nothing like hauling entire race team from coast to coast to have your crew chief not read the environmental conditions correctly and you do not even qualify for the race.
Sincerely,
Theis
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And that’s fine for professionals but not your average guy just wanting to shoot a match. There has to be a certain amount of enjoyment involved for the casual shooter to get them to commit to travel and other expenses. Even if I’m confident in my equipment and wind reading, I won’t travel very far to a match that is 100% hit to move on. I like how Steve Wirth does it. The first 6 targets are shot By everyone. Have to hit 6 and then the rest are hit to move on.
With a hit rate sometimes around 5-10%. Again, I wouldn't dispute that there is a lot of skill required to get 5-10% in that situation instead of 0%, but I think it's a valid question whether that's too far to build a competition around.
I’ve watched a lot of their videos and had they ran a 36”plate often they’d have a vastly higher % than what you gave them.
That the challenge is more important than the hit to them is why they have my respect.
Yeah, it's hard to say, we don't know how many shots are shown vs not, nor do I have time to keep track, but some of the videos have been very low hit rates. And I specifically said I think they must have a lot of skill (this, for the reading impaired, means they have my respect as well).
Would I do the same thing if I had a convenient location with that much land? Absolutely! Would I expect people to travel from all over the country for a competition with a hit rate of 10%? No way. Is there any practical value of such an exercise? I really don't think so.
Plus, many of his videos are with new builds that haven't even been fired yet, and he still gets spot on at those distances pretty quickly. I saw him shoot almost a 1/4 MOA at 3000 yards with a 300 Norma in just 4 shots.
Wouldn't that be a 0.57 MOA target? I think you'd need the whole baseball field. Maybe Ko2M 2022?
I’d certainly travel somewhere to do it.
But I’m not paying match fees or range fees
Exactly. I have to drive six hours to go past 1000 yards, and that's worth it to me every now and then, although I can't do that often enough to expect to be very good. But I flew to a match where in the final round the hit rate was 6% across all competitors. That, to me, is not really worth it and involves too much luck to hold my interest. (Again, there's skill too—it's like poker in that respect.)
It’s still more than double what the “1/4 minute all day” guys shoot, and let’s be real here. A world record needs to be sub MOA. It’s 2021. Even Bergara guarantees it.
I'm wondering if I would get in trouble if I floated some drums out in the gulf and shot them from the beach. Only way I am getting any range out this direction.
Voice texting understands the word period, comma, question mark and exclamation mark.
Ok so lets dive into this. Im a very busy guy 6 kids so i chose to voice text and yes that is what is suppose to happen right? Well i have sprint T-Mobile bought them out right? So phones have been getting upgrades ect so my voice texting hasnt been working great so when i say period it spells out the word 90% of time right now. The network has been terrible and my phone is all messed not working. But i will add go to tech school to my list of things. Sniperhide tech.........
At least yourrrr phone spells stuff collection.
^^^^^^
That was supposed to say: At least your phone spells stuff correctly.
But yeah, the next Sniper's Hide tech course is scheduled for 1 June, 2021. Location is Tahiti and you'll be responsible for your own food and alcohol.
Hi,
So it spells out period but refuses to spell out "Eye"???
What word do you speak to it in order to spell "etc", lol?
You need to get a new phone, lol
Sincerely,
Theis
So it spells out period but refuses to spell out "Eye"???
What word do you speak to it in order to spell "etc", lol?
You need to get a new phone, lol
Sincerely,
Theis
I am a former member of Core, Now Altus down in Baker, Fl and have shot Spearpoint. Don't let the pheasant hunting thing fool anyone. It is a really fun and very challenging place to shoot a normal PRS type match out to 1200 yds or so. They were just getting the ELR thing going when I left, but a difficult place to read the wind due to terrain. It's worth the trip if the chance allows to shoot there. A good place to chase "ditch chickens" too.2 of my regular locations use 1 to 1.5 MOA targets, hard work on a windy day... Maybe a target standard size
is something to be discussed, difficult to get people to agree on rules/ regs already though.
Must have been windy at that comp looking at the scores, was it in Kansas? EDIT; just googled Spearpoint,
they have pheasant hunts there; how about ELR pheasant targets?
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Yeah, it is like mega wave surfing. There needs to be a price for fucking up. Better to keep the target a realistic size.
I can see Cloudcroft on the horizon. 90 miles. I can hit it. I think at 90 miles it is submoa. I'm at 3600 and Cathey Peak 9700. Definitely would be a bullseye if I hit the peak. Extreme mountain shooting.
I can see Cloudcroft on the horizon. 90 miles. I can hit it. I think at 90 miles it is submoa. I'm at 3600 and Cathey Peak 9700. Definitely would be a bullseye if I hit the peak. Extreme mountain shooting.
Hey is a gd troll did the same shit to me last week...guy is a drag on this community
Nailed it here bud im new and up incoming the hide is the the worst place to go for help, support or info. Which i hate to say because i like it. Rokslide actually has shooters that actually care and want to help instead of shitting on everyone and thread they come across
LOL
The Rokslide guys are free recoiling their 7lb hunting rifles in a lead sled.
The hide is more rough and tumble, but with that attitude comes improvement.
I’d disagree.
A thick skin and not asking a ASKHOLE question really helps, and chances are a search will be very helpful if you need information.
I’ve gotten a ton of help here.
Glad someone said it...surprised the hide lets this guy run amuck. With all his accolades you think he would have more respect for fellow members and tbis community.
Throwing the "cunt" and "troll" cards kind of undermines the whole "discussions with rationale and facts" high road posture. Show us where the man trolled you already. It must have been horrific.
Can't find any evidence of you being attacked in the last week. Makes me think you're the troll.
Found a now locked thread from the end of January where you probably should've been banned for thread crapping in the PX. Theis wasn't in that thread. Not a good idea to continually attack Commercial Supporters. So far the second one you have attacked.
New and up and coming.
*checks join date*
I call bullshit. Or you hacked somebody else's account.
Evidence I've seen you're either a hacker or a troll.
In case you didn't realize it @THEIS and fcs are two different people. And you attacked fcs first.
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Pretty sure he was the "using-elevation-hash-marks-for-holds-tmoa-leupold-works-fine-with-my-nf-nxs-moar" guy.
Thread is now deleted but if he was, everyone was pretty kind on him for how stupid it was.
Also if that was his thread then you can begin to understand why he is the the bigger is better (at any ranges) camp regarding target size lol.
Edit: Oh yeah it was.
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Hi,
O yea, the "why are the hash marks in my scope not lining up with the drop of my bullet" guy..
Then wanted to argue with everyone so falls into the ASKHOLE category, lololol.
The comedic value of when you use a thread that shows just how "Rokslide" you are as an example of a guy trolling you yet it just highlights the aspect of people we're trying to help you but you were the troll arguing with their help. Hahahahaaha
Sincerely,
Theis
O yea, the "why are the hash marks in my scope not lining up with the drop of my bullet" guy..
Then wanted to argue with everyone so falls into the ASKHOLE category, lololol.
The comedic value of when you use a thread that shows just how "Rokslide" you are as an example of a guy trolling you yet it just highlights the aspect of people we're trying to help you but you were the troll arguing with their help. Hahahahaaha
Sincerely,
Theis
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So I joined this group, club, organization to get some pointers on reaching out to 1000 yards. However the verbal beatings some people have taken here makes me apprehensive to ask any questions or post any responses in threads. I guess I'll just stick to reading and hope someone asks the question I wanted to ask eventually.
You are too intimidated to ask any questions? But not too intimidated to throw down this very passive-aggressive gauntlet?So I joined this group, club, organization to get some pointers on reaching out to 1000 yards. However the verbal beatings some people have taken here makes me apprehensive to ask any questions or post any responses in threads. I guess I'll just stick to reading and hope someone asks the question I wanted to ask eventually.
Do searches, I can almost guarantee that question has already been asked a dozen times.So I joined this group, club, organization to get some pointers on reaching out to 1000 yards. However the verbal beatings some people have taken here makes me apprehensive to ask any questions or post any responses in threads. I guess I'll just stick to reading and hope someone asks the question I wanted to ask eventually.
This place is a information gold mine if you put in a bit of leg work (keyboard work).
Welcome!So I joined this group, club, organization to get some pointers on reaching out to 1000 yards. However the verbal beatings some people have taken here makes me apprehensive to ask any questions or post any responses in threads. I guess I'll just stick to reading and hope someone asks the question I wanted to ask eventually.
This place is better than people are trying to portray it.
There are safer areas to ask questions. The regular threads are supposed to be nicer. This one is probably the best to ask new person questions. https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/forums/sniper-s-hide-stupid-marksmanship-questions/
I would suggest staying out of the Bear Pit. That is not the area to ask new person questions.
If you read and follow the rules you should be fine. If you are here trying to learn and try to put in some effort to learn you will be fine. If you come in swinging thinking you know better than everybody and calling people names for no reason then you will not do so well.
A lot of questions have been asked before. Try to ask it in roughly the right forum and you should be fine. Get the feel for the site. Cussing is allowed. There is lots of good natured ribbing. We are all adults here. Some are older than others and most don't care about feelings. If you're being an idiot they will tell you and try to help you learn. If at some point you happen to be wrong admit it and don't double and triple down. Use the search function. Sometimes it helps on some search terms (3 character ones) to use Google to do a site:snipershide.com search.
Try to pay attention to how old a thread is before you respond or at least try to add something constructive to the thread so you're not necroposting. Read more than posting. Don't ask about mil vs moa, 9 vs 45 vs 40, or many other vs type questions. They've been asked over and over and they get tiring. Try and use punctuation every now and then and also paragraphs. They help.
Seriously stay out of the Bear Pit for awhile.
Note bigblast has already necroposted (in and of itself not bad), been an askhole (same), gotten at least 1 thread deleted, gotten another thread locked, and crap posted in the PX threads (against the rules).
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Honestly this is a great site and has been a resource for many shooters for years, I think there’s been about 3 or for changes with servers and some folks as myself have had to re-register but thats minor. I think I started hanging out here around 2008 if I ain’t mistake. back in the day the big event that was chattered about and was the ELR place to shoot was Thunder Valley and the Intimidator and Head Hunter rounds were what made this event a place folks wanted to travel to.
From that all the steel shooting events just took off and a lot of great knowledge was shared here on the Hide. I still say that folks called BS on the 338LMs shooting at 1000 or maybe it was 1760 back then but it doesn’t matter it was in reference to what we see today. Its folks like Theis and others that have contributed their efforts in pushing this trend to make it all happen.
Don’t take me wrong we have a tuff crowd here at times but I have been friends with many here for a long time and we share hands on knowledge that we experienced first hand versus many that go off of here say or assumptions. I can say and I am going to pick on Theis we have been on multiple shooting sites and at the end of the day we tend to spend more time were its productive - here When it comes to equipment, shooting skills and helping or sharing info.
I think my only negativity on this thread I had was how derailed it got from the topic that someone started here and probably due to how it was phrased in the title.
New folks its a tuff crowd here at times but it is usually triggered by the direction and or arrogance within the “some” of the folks participating and sometimes how folks interpret a comment in the wrong way.
Anyways carry on
Cheers
oneshot.onehit
JH
From that all the steel shooting events just took off and a lot of great knowledge was shared here on the Hide. I still say that folks called BS on the 338LMs shooting at 1000 or maybe it was 1760 back then but it doesn’t matter it was in reference to what we see today. Its folks like Theis and others that have contributed their efforts in pushing this trend to make it all happen.
Don’t take me wrong we have a tuff crowd here at times but I have been friends with many here for a long time and we share hands on knowledge that we experienced first hand versus many that go off of here say or assumptions. I can say and I am going to pick on Theis we have been on multiple shooting sites and at the end of the day we tend to spend more time were its productive - here When it comes to equipment, shooting skills and helping or sharing info.
I think my only negativity on this thread I had was how derailed it got from the topic that someone started here and probably due to how it was phrased in the title.
New folks its a tuff crowd here at times but it is usually triggered by the direction and or arrogance within the “some” of the folks participating and sometimes how folks interpret a comment in the wrong way.
Anyways carry on
Cheers
oneshot.onehit
JH
So I joined this group, club, organization to get some pointers on reaching out to 1000 yards. However the verbal beatings some people have taken here makes me apprehensive to ask any questions or post any responses in threads. I guess I'll just stick to reading and hope someone asks the question I wanted to ask eventually.
It's dudes on an (anonymous, mostly) internet posting board. No subscription required. You can mute/block people that troll you. You literally have nothing at stake for asking questions and through all the bullshit (if you ask a dumb question) someone will get you a straight answer.
It hurts you as much as you let it.
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