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S&B and March are highly bred steeds in the race.
I doubt anyone will be willing to drop 5-6K on a march and then beat is up to see if its worthy.
S&B and March are highly bred steeds in the race.
I doubt anyone will be willing to drop 5-6K on a march and then beat is up to see if its worthy.
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I am looking at getting a Nightforce, primarily because I can get some quality glass with a H-25 reticle. I will definitely be saving up for it, but how does Nightforce rate with that reticle?
Anybody with any experience?
Thanks...
I am looking at getting a Nightforce, primarily because I can get some quality glass with a H-25 reticle. I will definitely be saving up for it, but how does Nightforce rate with that reticle?
Anybody with any experience?
Thanks...
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I have the Nightforce 8-32 Br and after Rob01 told me how he does his tracking test, i went out and attempted it. My nightforce was dead on, i dont have a USO but will here in a few days, so ill try and get out to the range and do the same test with it. I honestly think that the NF is equal with the USO. The only advantages i see with the USO are that they are a true custom build, with the features that you want. NF you get pre determined setups.
I have the Nightforce 8-32 Br and after Rob01 told me how he does his tracking test, i went out and attempted it. My nightforce was dead on, i dont have a USO but will here in a few days, so ill try and get out to the range and do the same test with it. I honestly think that the NF is equal with the USO. The only advantages i see with the USO are that they are a true custom build, with the features that you want. NF you get pre determined setups.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">NF offers a Horus ret?</div></div>They said they are, and I told Bill that when they come out I will buy one. That way I won't have to fear cranking my scope knobs. But, alas
, as with all things Horus they've been relegated to Horus time, which is whenever Horus gets around to doing it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">NF offers a Horus ret?</div></div>They said they are, and I told Bill that when they come out I will buy one. That way I won't have to fear cranking my scope knobs. But, alas
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In my opinion it's Horus that ain't delivrin', not NF or USO.
And make sure to ask for a reticle of sufficient quality that it can be lit.
I love the Horus reticle, but I'm puzzled by what appears to be a lack of business sense by the company.
In my opinion it's Horus that ain't delivrin', not NF or USO.
And make sure to ask for a reticle of sufficient quality that it can be lit.
I love the Horus reticle, but I'm puzzled by what appears to be a lack of business sense by the company.
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I have never heard anybody accuse Horus of being business savy. Maybe it has something to do with the fact the owner has more money than God and picks and chooses his priorities.
For $400, per reticle, you would think they would be moving fast to get them in NF scopes.
I have never heard anybody accuse Horus of being business savy. Maybe it has something to do with the fact the owner has more money than God and picks and chooses his priorities.
For $400, per reticle, you would think they would be moving fast to get them in NF scopes.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shibumi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have never heard anybody accuse Horus of being business savy. Maybe it has something to do with the fact the owner has more money than God and picks and chooses his priorities.
For $400, per reticle, you would think they would be moving fast to get them in NF scopes.
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You SIR have hit the nail on the head squarely with an 18# sledge. If Horus would let NF & USO get the reticles from their own mfg's there would be Horus equipped scopes everywhere. As it is you get 1 maybe 2 reticles that are good out of 20 and they took 6 months to get. Cryin' shame.
Cheers,
Doc
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shibumi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have never heard anybody accuse Horus of being business savy. Maybe it has something to do with the fact the owner has more money than God and picks and chooses his priorities.
For $400, per reticle, you would think they would be moving fast to get them in NF scopes.
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You SIR have hit the nail on the head squarely with an 18# sledge. If Horus would let NF & USO get the reticles from their own mfg's there would be Horus equipped scopes everywhere. As it is you get 1 maybe 2 reticles that are good out of 20 and they took 6 months to get. Cryin' shame.
Cheers,
Doc
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have never heard anybody accuse Horus of being business savy.</div></div>
I've been around shooting a long time. I've yet to hear anyone say anything good about them. Always negative remarks.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have never heard anybody accuse Horus of being business savy.</div></div>
I've been around shooting a long time. I've yet to hear anyone say anything good about them. Always negative remarks.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shibumi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Doc,
So your saying even if I ordered one tomorrow, it could be a crapshoot as to the quality? and or when I get it?
Thanks.. </div></div>
It would depend on which reticle you ordered, Arnold may have some.
As to the quality, we don't put them in unless they are right. Sometimes it takes a while to get one that's right.
The only crap shoot is how many good ones come in the box from Horus.
Cheers,
Doc
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shibumi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Doc,
So your saying even if I ordered one tomorrow, it could be a crapshoot as to the quality? and or when I get it?
Thanks.. </div></div>
It would depend on which reticle you ordered, Arnold may have some.
As to the quality, we don't put them in unless they are right. Sometimes it takes a while to get one that's right.
The only crap shoot is how many good ones come in the box from Horus.
Cheers,
Doc
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I used a scope with a Horus reticle for three years. I like the reticle. One day, though, it occurred to me that I didn't need it.
Here's a quote from the link posted below:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are most likely to want to use holdovers and holdunders at relatively short ranges.
Consider the typical dope chart for a .308 above. Using a 100 yard zero, you can use that zero on a scope with 5 mils of marks below the main crosshairs to shoot out to 600 yards, without touching the elevation dial, using only holdovers.
To calculate those holdovers, just divide your MOA data by 3.438 to convert it to mils. Using the typical chart above, that will give you the following holdovers, rounded to the nearest 10th of a milliradian:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>
Range HoldOver
100 0
200 0.6
300 1.5
400 2.3
500 3.3
600 4.7
</pre></div></div>
Memorize those numbers, or whatever applies where you mostly shoot, and you’ll be able to hit targets out to 600 yards without touching your scope. Nor will you have to remember which way to hold, because it’s all holdovers, just like using a Horus reticle. And that is the essence of efficient fighting with a precision rifle.
</div></div>
(from Calculating Holdovers and Holdunders.)
I used a scope with a Horus reticle for three years. I like the reticle. One day, though, it occurred to me that I didn't need it.
Here's a quote from the link posted below:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are most likely to want to use holdovers and holdunders at relatively short ranges.
Consider the typical dope chart for a .308 above. Using a 100 yard zero, you can use that zero on a scope with 5 mils of marks below the main crosshairs to shoot out to 600 yards, without touching the elevation dial, using only holdovers.
To calculate those holdovers, just divide your MOA data by 3.438 to convert it to mils. Using the typical chart above, that will give you the following holdovers, rounded to the nearest 10th of a milliradian:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>
Range HoldOver
100 0
200 0.6
300 1.5
400 2.3
500 3.3
600 4.7
</pre></div></div>
Memorize those numbers, or whatever applies where you mostly shoot, and you’ll be able to hit targets out to 600 yards without touching your scope. Nor will you have to remember which way to hold, because it’s all holdovers, just like using a Horus reticle. And that is the essence of efficient fighting with a precision rifle.
</div></div>
(from Calculating Holdovers and Holdunders.)
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One day, though, it occurred to me that I didn't need it.</div></div>But I bet you miss telling new students that your scope has a 'whore-ass' reticle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One day, though, it occurred to me that I didn't need it.</div></div>But I bet you miss telling new students that your scope has a 'whore-ass' reticle.
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i miss my nightforce... stupid gravity
climbing a deer stand can be expensive if you don't have a good grip on your rifle... Epic Fail
i miss my nightforce... stupid gravity
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I always thought you where to pull up yor rifle/w a line, after you are already in your stand. Wow that sucks a 1000.00 awe shit, I feel for ya. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BePrepared</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i miss my nightforce... stupid gravity
climbing a deer stand can be expensive if you don't have a good grip on your rifle... Epic Fail </div></div>
I always thought you where to pull up yor rifle/w a line, after you are already in your stand. Wow that sucks a 1000.00 awe shit, I feel for ya. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BePrepared</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i miss my nightforce... stupid gravity
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I have a couple NF's. I think they are great scopes. Two of the scopes have the feature where the whole eyepiece turns to change power. I didn't like it at first, but now I think it's great. Just reach up and grab the whole end to change powers. It only moves 180* so you can set up you butler creeks so they are never in the way. My NFs have been great.
Only complaints are I wish the parallax knobs were yardage marked and I wish they didn't change the mag. direction on the 2.5-10s.
I have a couple NF's. I think they are great scopes. Two of the scopes have the feature where the whole eyepiece turns to change power. I didn't like it at first, but now I think it's great. Just reach up and grab the whole end to change powers. It only moves 180* so you can set up you butler creeks so they are never in the way. My NFs have been great.
Only complaints are I wish the parallax knobs were yardage marked and I wish they didn't change the mag. direction on the 2.5-10s.
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Well just let me know if anyone wants to donate either their USO or NF to a broke academy graduate that can't find a job here in MI. The $40 Tasco started to loose 0 after around 350rds.
Well just let me know if anyone wants to donate either their USO or NF to a broke academy graduate that can't find a job here in MI. The $40 Tasco started to loose 0 after around 350rds.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SMACK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FUCK NF!</div></div>
Another happy customer. LOL
Not being an ass, but what was your experience with the company that would make you come to that conclusion/opinion. I would like to know for future sake.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SMACK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FUCK NF!</div></div>
Another happy customer. LOL
Not being an ass, but what was your experience with the company that would make you come to that conclusion/opinion. I would like to know for future sake.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Weda'</div><div class="ubbcode-body">S&B and March are highly bred steeds in the race.
I doubt anyone will be willing to drop 5-6K on a march and then beat is up to see if its worthy. </div></div>
the March 2.5-25x42 Tactical Illum is $2700.
Also, regarding the Custom-made vs Factory-standard discussion, here is some food for thought. It is much more difficult to maintain tight quality control when you offer lots of custom options on a product. Essentially, everything becomes a one-off. Quality control is much easier and much cheaper when you are cranking out the same product time after time after time. I value quality control much more than custom options. USO has nice stuff, but I like the tremendous bang for the buck and super quality of NF.
Now when the hell is NF going to give me a light-weight 2-12x40 scope?....grumble, mutter....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Weda'</div><div class="ubbcode-body">S&B and March are highly bred steeds in the race.
I doubt anyone will be willing to drop 5-6K on a march and then beat is up to see if its worthy. </div></div>
the March 2.5-25x42 Tactical Illum is $2700.
Also, regarding the Custom-made vs Factory-standard discussion, here is some food for thought. It is much more difficult to maintain tight quality control when you offer lots of custom options on a product. Essentially, everything becomes a one-off. Quality control is much easier and much cheaper when you are cranking out the same product time after time after time. I value quality control much more than custom options. USO has nice stuff, but I like the tremendous bang for the buck and super quality of NF.
Now when the hell is NF going to give me a light-weight 2-12x40 scope?....grumble, mutter....
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Keep an eye out in the next year and a half or so as a FFP 5.5-22 is being talked about but not on the front burner.</div></div>
Its really not on the front burner?? Kinda suprises me, since I would think thier 5.5-22 in FFP would be a BIG time winner.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Keep an eye out in the next year and a half or so as a FFP 5.5-22 is being talked about but not on the front burner.</div></div>
Its really not on the front burner?? Kinda suprises me, since I would think thier 5.5-22 in FFP would be a BIG time winner.
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N/F and USO are great scopes and BOTH have room for serious improvement. I've used both and own all N/F as of now. I'm looking at a custom USO but not sure if it will happen. If I could get the right people together we could build a true "Tactical" scope with features that do not exist as of yet an it's 2009. Some so simple it's stupid not to have them. Never had a problem with N/F but did with USO but I still want a USO if it was built to spec and worked. This is a Ford and Chevy argument and I own a Chevy after a few Fords. Using tactical scopes for 20 years not much has changed as quick as they should have IMO. I'm building a new .338 Lapua and I'm wondering what glass is going on top of it. I'm leaning toward a USO if I can get it the way I want it. If not, one of the four NXS I own will do just fine.
Tom Sarver
TVP
N/F and USO are great scopes and BOTH have room for serious improvement. I've used both and own all N/F as of now. I'm looking at a custom USO but not sure if it will happen. If I could get the right people together we could build a true "Tactical" scope with features that do not exist as of yet an it's 2009. Some so simple it's stupid not to have them. Never had a problem with N/F but did with USO but I still want a USO if it was built to spec and worked. This is a Ford and Chevy argument and I own a Chevy after a few Fords. Using tactical scopes for 20 years not much has changed as quick as they should have IMO. I'm building a new .338 Lapua and I'm wondering what glass is going on top of it. I'm leaning toward a USO if I can get it the way I want it. If not, one of the four NXS I own will do just fine.
Tom Sarver
TVP
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To add to my post....
These threads/posts are what the manufactures(and newbees) need to maybe build or buy a better product. Input is over looked and I know this by personnal experience. Then 3-5 years later you see it....like alot of the "stuff" we use in this field things evolve into what we really need and will USE and PROMOTE. These threads to me are like stupid questions....they must be asked in order to learn.
Just a thought...
Tom
To add to my post....
These threads/posts are what the manufactures(and newbees) need to maybe build or buy a better product. Input is over looked and I know this by personnal experience. Then 3-5 years later you see it....like alot of the "stuff" we use in this field things evolve into what we really need and will USE and PROMOTE. These threads to me are like stupid questions....they must be asked in order to learn.
Just a thought...
Tom
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My only complaint with USO is their customer service is so good that Im afraid if I ever decide to go with another brand of optics, their customer service will seem sub-par in comparison.
My only complaint with USO is their customer service is so good that Im afraid if I ever decide to go with another brand of optics, their customer service will seem sub-par in comparison.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would like one too but I'm betting they are waiting to see if the F1 is a hit on the civilian market before working on a 5.5-22. </div></div>
Alot of options at that price point might be hurting the sales right now. I saw Midway has F1's for 2200-2300 and you can get a decent USO for a hundred or 200 more. Further, you can get a Premier for $2499 or an S&B from Adam Bauer for $2450.
Great for us as consumers. I like the NF but for $200 more I could be swayed to buy a Premier or S&B.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would like one too but I'm betting they are waiting to see if the F1 is a hit on the civilian market before working on a 5.5-22. </div></div>
Alot of options at that price point might be hurting the sales right now. I saw Midway has F1's for 2200-2300 and you can get a decent USO for a hundred or 200 more. Further, you can get a Premier for $2499 or an S&B from Adam Bauer for $2450.
Great for us as consumers. I like the NF but for $200 more I could be swayed to buy a Premier or S&B.
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If they'd put that NF F1 around the $1500-1800 range, it would sell like hot cakes...
If they'd put that NF F1 around the $1500-1800 range, it would sell like hot cakes...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they'd put that NF F1 around the $1500-1800 range, it would sell like hot cakes...</div></div>
At that price, I would have bought one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they'd put that NF F1 around the $1500-1800 range, it would sell like hot cakes...</div></div>
At that price, I would have bought one.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Onemoretime</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Alot of options at that price point might be hurting the sales right now. I saw Midway has F1's for 2200-2300 and you can get a decent USO for a hundred or 200 more. Further, you can get a Premier for $2499 or an S&B from Adam Bauer for $2450.
Great for us as consumers. I like the NF but for $200 more I could be swayed to buy a Premier or S&B.</div></div>
Good points but you also get rings and a sunshade with the F1 and a scope with plenty of options and that tracks perfectly.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Onemoretime</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Alot of options at that price point might be hurting the sales right now. I saw Midway has F1's for 2200-2300 and you can get a decent USO for a hundred or 200 more. Further, you can get a Premier for $2499 or an S&B from Adam Bauer for $2450.
Great for us as consumers. I like the NF but for $200 more I could be swayed to buy a Premier or S&B.</div></div>
Good points but you also get rings and a sunshade with the F1 and a scope with plenty of options and that tracks perfectly.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rem700p</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they'd put that NF F1 around the $1500-1800 range, it would sell like hot cakes...</div></div>
At that price, I would have bought one.</div></div>
Yeah everyone would and if S&Bs were a dollar we would all use them too. LOL
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rem700p</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they'd put that NF F1 around the $1500-1800 range, it would sell like hot cakes...</div></div>
At that price, I would have bought one.</div></div>
Yeah everyone would and if S&Bs were a dollar we would all use them too. LOL
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Onemoretime</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Alot of options at that price point might be hurting the sales right now. I saw Midway has F1's for 2200-2300 and you can get a decent USO for a hundred or 200 more. Further, you can get a Premier for $2499 or an S&B from Adam Bauer for $2450.
Great for us as consumers. I like the NF but for $200 more I could be swayed to buy a Premier or S&B.</div></div>
Good points but you also get rings and a sunshade with the F1 and a scope with plenty of options and that tracks perfectly. </div></div>
Well apparently that is not a sweet enough deal. Maybe $1900 w/o rings would be the ticket, but then they would have to rework their entire pricing structure.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Onemoretime</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Alot of options at that price point might be hurting the sales right now. I saw Midway has F1's for 2200-2300 and you can get a decent USO for a hundred or 200 more. Further, you can get a Premier for $2499 or an S&B from Adam Bauer for $2450.
Great for us as consumers. I like the NF but for $200 more I could be swayed to buy a Premier or S&B.</div></div>
Good points but you also get rings and a sunshade with the F1 and a scope with plenty of options and that tracks perfectly. </div></div>
Well apparently that is not a sweet enough deal. Maybe $1900 w/o rings would be the ticket, but then they would have to rework their entire pricing structure.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rem700p</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they'd put that NF F1 around the $1500-1800 range, it would sell like hot cakes...</div></div>
At that price, I would have bought one.</div></div>
Yeah everyone would and if S&Bs were a dollar we would all use them too. LOL</div></div>
HAHAHA! Typically, being a smartass isn't funny, but in your case...it's still not funny.
What I was eluding to was that I cannot justify buying scope A over scope B at the same price and not be able to have a customized scope. BUT, if I could buy a scope with the features of an F1 at $400-$600 less, I wouldn't be able to justify the customization.
And FWIW 2 of the 3 NFs I've owned tracked like ass until I got them fixed. Quick service and quick fixes, but don't act like NFs shit don't stink.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rem700p</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they'd put that NF F1 around the $1500-1800 range, it would sell like hot cakes...</div></div>
At that price, I would have bought one.</div></div>
Yeah everyone would and if S&Bs were a dollar we would all use them too. LOL</div></div>
HAHAHA! Typically, being a smartass isn't funny, but in your case...it's still not funny.
What I was eluding to was that I cannot justify buying scope A over scope B at the same price and not be able to have a customized scope. BUT, if I could buy a scope with the features of an F1 at $400-$600 less, I wouldn't be able to justify the customization.
And FWIW 2 of the 3 NFs I've owned tracked like ass until I got them fixed. Quick service and quick fixes, but don't act like NFs shit don't stink.
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Relax Francis. Guess the AF doesn't issue you a sense of humor. And atleast NF fixed your scopes.
cjgemm, new scope just getting out there and in the time where Premier is doing the same so it's a smaller market for all the scopes in that price range. Most people need rings($100-150) and look to buy a sunshade($50) so a package deal isn't a bad thing as far as price.
Relax Francis. Guess the AF doesn't issue you a sense of humor. And atleast NF fixed your scopes.
cjgemm, new scope just getting out there and in the time where Premier is doing the same so it's a smaller market for all the scopes in that price range. Most people need rings($100-150) and look to buy a sunshade($50) so a package deal isn't a bad thing as far as price.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Relax Francis. Guess the AF doesn't issue you a sense of humor. And atleast NF fixed your scopes.</span>
cjgemm, new scope just getting out there and in the time where Premier is doing the same so it's a smaller market for all the scopes in that price range. Most people need rings($100-150) and look to buy a sunshade($50) so a package deal isn't a bad thing as far as price.</div></div>
My bad, shitty day at work. Guess the stick hasn't been removed yet from the exercise we had.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Relax Francis. Guess the AF doesn't issue you a sense of humor. And atleast NF fixed your scopes.</span>
cjgemm, new scope just getting out there and in the time where Premier is doing the same so it's a smaller market for all the scopes in that price range. Most people need rings($100-150) and look to buy a sunshade($50) so a package deal isn't a bad thing as far as price.</div></div>
My bad, shitty day at work. Guess the stick hasn't been removed yet from the exercise we had.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they'd put that NF F1 around the $1500-1800 range, it would sell like hot cakes... </div></div>
Totally...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they'd put that NF F1 around the $1500-1800 range, it would sell like hot cakes... </div></div>
Totally...
Re: nightforce or uso?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Relax Francis. Guess the AF doesn't issue you a sense of humor. And atleast NF fixed your scopes.
cjgemm, new scope just getting out there and in the time where Premier is doing the same so it's a smaller market for all the scopes in that price range. Most people need rings($100-150) and look to buy a sunshade($50) so a package deal isn't a bad thing as far as price. </div></div>
My last USO in Seekins rings cost about $2300. Ergo, EREK, Illum, Sunshade/ARD, MDMOA. Tracks too.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Relax Francis. Guess the AF doesn't issue you a sense of humor. And atleast NF fixed your scopes.
cjgemm, new scope just getting out there and in the time where Premier is doing the same so it's a smaller market for all the scopes in that price range. Most people need rings($100-150) and look to buy a sunshade($50) so a package deal isn't a bad thing as far as price. </div></div>
My last USO in Seekins rings cost about $2300. Ergo, EREK, Illum, Sunshade/ARD, MDMOA. Tracks too.
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Bought that new? Specs out about $2440 without rings or sunshade. Group buy? Did you do a tracking test or just shot it and figured it worked.
Honestly when paying over $2000 for any scope a couple hundred here and there isn't usually a deal breaker. As long as the scope, no matter what maker, has the options you want and functions as it should then it will probably work out just fine for the shooter.
Bought that new? Specs out about $2440 without rings or sunshade. Group buy? Did you do a tracking test or just shot it and figured it worked.
Honestly when paying over $2000 for any scope a couple hundred here and there isn't usually a deal breaker. As long as the scope, no matter what maker, has the options you want and functions as it should then it will probably work out just fine for the shooter.
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Brand New. No group buy. Tracks like it should.
I have nothing against NF, I own 2 compacts and had a 3.5-15x50. All are/were great scopes. Just think they would sell more if the lowered the price to 1900 w/o their rings, then for around 2000 you could have a no nonsense setup that would be hard to beat, but hey that's just my opinion and this is the internet.
Next purchase is going to be a PH 3-15x50. I really like the tool less adjustable turrets. Should work out well for a switch barrel suppressed rifle.
Brand New. No group buy. Tracks like it should.
I have nothing against NF, I own 2 compacts and had a 3.5-15x50. All are/were great scopes. Just think they would sell more if the lowered the price to 1900 w/o their rings, then for around 2000 you could have a no nonsense setup that would be hard to beat, but hey that's just my opinion and this is the internet.
Next purchase is going to be a PH 3-15x50. I really like the tool less adjustable turrets. Should work out well for a switch barrel suppressed rifle.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alaskaman 11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This thread is like a case of the crabs and just won't go away! </div></div>
Well you have to quit sleeping with the prostitutes in order for them to go away LOL
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alaskaman 11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This thread is like a case of the crabs and just won't go away! </div></div>
Well you have to quit sleeping with the prostitutes in order for them to go away LOL
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